Comments on: A Bill To Help Child Prostitutes Incorrectly Called “Legalization” By “Christian” Opponents. http://www.peachpundit.com/2010/02/01/a-bill-to-help-child-prostitutes-incorrectly-called-legalization-by-christian-opponents/ Fresh Political Pickins From The Peach State Mon, 13 Feb 2012 04:52:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Mozart http://www.peachpundit.com/2010/02/01/a-bill-to-help-child-prostitutes-incorrectly-called-legalization-by-christian-opponents/comment-page-1/#comment-212515 Mozart Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:25:27 +0000 http://www.peachpundit.com/?p=20588#comment-212515 "he was a private businessman offering a service that clearly some felt beneficial to them." By that argument, pimps are offering a service that clearly some feel is beneficial. “he was a private businessman offering a service that clearly some felt beneficial to them.”

By that argument, pimps are offering a service that clearly some feel is beneficial.

]]> By: Mozart http://www.peachpundit.com/2010/02/01/a-bill-to-help-child-prostitutes-incorrectly-called-legalization-by-christian-opponents/comment-page-1/#comment-212512 Mozart Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:23:13 +0000 http://www.peachpundit.com/?p=20588#comment-212512 Apparently you like mixing pineapples with pine cones, Jeff. You haven't observed Renee Unterman's various episodes of whacky behavior over the years, and you seek to blunt Jenny's arguments based on your personal feelings of dislike for her. That's just a sad way to carry on a debate. Apparently you like mixing pineapples with pine cones, Jeff. You haven’t observed Renee Unterman’s various episodes of whacky behavior over the years, and you seek to blunt Jenny’s arguments based on your personal feelings of dislike for her. That’s just a sad way to carry on a debate.

]]> By: 15 Year Old To Face Prostitution Charges In Columbus — Peach Pundit http://www.peachpundit.com/2010/02/01/a-bill-to-help-child-prostitutes-incorrectly-called-legalization-by-christian-opponents/comment-page-1/#comment-212466 15 Year Old To Face Prostitution Charges In Columbus — Peach Pundit Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:32:33 +0000 http://www.peachpundit.com/?p=20588#comment-212466 [...] the 15 yr old was not prosecuted, as would happen should Unterman’s bill pass, just how is child prostitution legalized? How do the pimps and johns benefit? When will she be [...] [...] the 15 yr old was not prosecuted, as would happen should Unterman’s bill pass, just how is child prostitution legalized? How do the pimps and johns benefit? When will she be [...]

]]> By: Wingfield Supports Unterman — Peach Pundit http://www.peachpundit.com/2010/02/01/a-bill-to-help-child-prostitutes-incorrectly-called-legalization-by-christian-opponents/comment-page-1/#comment-212137 Wingfield Supports Unterman — Peach Pundit Mon, 08 Feb 2010 03:40:12 +0000 http://www.peachpundit.com/?p=20588#comment-212137 [...] for Unterman’s child prostitution bill from the AJC Kyle Wingfield: Studies of Georgia’s child sex industry indicate that these children [...] [...] for Unterman’s child prostitution bill from the AJC Kyle Wingfield: Studies of Georgia’s child sex industry indicate that these children [...]

]]> By: Ken in Eastman http://www.peachpundit.com/2010/02/01/a-bill-to-help-child-prostitutes-incorrectly-called-legalization-by-christian-opponents/comment-page-1/#comment-211710 Ken in Eastman Fri, 05 Feb 2010 02:01:27 +0000 http://www.peachpundit.com/?p=20588#comment-211710 tracyo, Good post and informative. Thanks! In the future, could you please hit enter a few times and create paragraphs? It makes the posts easier to read. :-) tracyo,

Good post and informative. Thanks!

In the future, could you please hit enter a few times and create paragraphs? It makes the posts easier to read. :-)

]]> By: HankRearden http://www.peachpundit.com/2010/02/01/a-bill-to-help-child-prostitutes-incorrectly-called-legalization-by-christian-opponents/comment-page-1/#comment-211308 HankRearden Wed, 03 Feb 2010 19:57:15 +0000 http://www.peachpundit.com/?p=20588#comment-211308 Ditto Ditto

]]> By: Mad Dog http://www.peachpundit.com/2010/02/01/a-bill-to-help-child-prostitutes-incorrectly-called-legalization-by-christian-opponents/comment-page-1/#comment-211305 Mad Dog Wed, 03 Feb 2010 19:51:45 +0000 http://www.peachpundit.com/?p=20588#comment-211305 Pretty good string and a damn good post. The nuts are clearly nutty. The uninformed wanna know more. And those with their shoes on, don't want the State legislaturers taking their shoes off with underage streetwalkers. I like it. Pretty good string and a damn good post.

The nuts are clearly nutty. The uninformed wanna know more. And those with their shoes on, don’t want the State legislaturers taking their shoes off with underage streetwalkers.

I like it.

]]> By: Mad Dog http://www.peachpundit.com/2010/02/01/a-bill-to-help-child-prostitutes-incorrectly-called-legalization-by-christian-opponents/comment-page-1/#comment-211303 Mad Dog Wed, 03 Feb 2010 19:47:56 +0000 http://www.peachpundit.com/?p=20588#comment-211303 shrike, Democrats aren't throwing the first stone. They're throwing it back. shrike,

Democrats aren’t throwing the first stone. They’re throwing it back.

]]> By: Mad Dog http://www.peachpundit.com/2010/02/01/a-bill-to-help-child-prostitutes-incorrectly-called-legalization-by-christian-opponents/comment-page-1/#comment-211300 Mad Dog Wed, 03 Feb 2010 19:44:28 +0000 http://www.peachpundit.com/?p=20588#comment-211300 It's a serious topic made worse by the whackaloons like Schaefer. If you don't act like a child or a nut, then you won't be ridiculed like a nut. Meanwhile Buckhead, go back to the adult table and take your dentures with you. It’s a serious topic made worse by the whackaloons like Schaefer.

If you don’t act like a child or a nut, then you won’t be ridiculed like a nut.

Meanwhile Buckhead, go back to the adult table and take your dentures with you.

]]> By: tracyo http://www.peachpundit.com/2010/02/01/a-bill-to-help-child-prostitutes-incorrectly-called-legalization-by-christian-opponents/comment-page-1/#comment-211296 tracyo Wed, 03 Feb 2010 19:19:14 +0000 http://www.peachpundit.com/?p=20588#comment-211296 As a member of GA Rescue and Restore I received information that the 2 sides had reached a tentative agreement at 11am on 2/01. Yet after the groups that supported the bill left, at 2pm the opposing group still had a press conference of their own on the steps of the capitol building. It also seemed they were armed with nothing but conjecture and opinion. I hope that was not enough to distract the legislators that have said they will vote in favor of this legislation into changing their minds. A Future Not a Past, Street Grace and Wellspring as well as other groups that are in favor of the legislation have actual GA research to back up their statistics and have done actual work on the frontlines of the issue. Just ask Sgt Britton with the Atlanta Police who heads their Child Expolitation Task Force what he thinks of the bill. Or better you can read it here: http://www.humantrafficking.org/updates/856. I was there at that hearing and I was also there at the capitol on Monday 2/01. If any of the opponents of the bill would like to see the motives of the people behind this bill they can read about them all over the internet, here is an example : //www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/FBI_Atlanta_Fight_Child_Prostitution_072209 A little research and a few moments reading reveal that the people behind this legislation have the best for the child victims in mind as well what is better for our state. In this state budget crunch, they are asking for no more funding, no more cost or expense to the state whatsoever. The infrustructure and funding are already in place right now. If girls ( and boys too , hopefully in the near future their needs will also be addressed more ) continue to go thru the revolving door of juvenile detention centers, there is greater cost to the state now and for years to come when they cannot support themselves or their children. It behooves us to stop recidivism. These kids are more likely to learn how to commit more crimes when incarcerated. Not to mention the fact that the Dept of Juvenile Justice is so overwhelmed right now that I am told they have to reserve beds for kids who are deemed a danger to others. They simply have no room or budget to hold onto the others. So any way you look at it there is no protection for them there. Plus no one I know would say that kids going into Juvenile Detention are being rehabilitated, so how exactly are they being helped by going there? And I heard the opposing group stated what is needed is more police and law enforcement- if they did say that, that seems a little reckless because they offered no solution just another budgeting problem. Oh yes, I wanted to mention also that I learned from SGt Britton that in the past the police could not pick up a minor without an arrest, unless DFCS has an existing pickup order with that specific childs name on it. But now that the law has been passed last year for mandatory reporting of any suspected sexual abuse of a child, they now not only can pickup the minor but must do so as a matter of law. Then they can utilize the GA Car Connection to have the minor's needs assessed and placement etc. I continue to hope and pray that both sides can stick to what they can agree to and avoid the rest, so that what is best for Georgia and for its children is what gets accomplished in the end. p.s. This is my personal pet peeve: Right now, the only ones able to make any headway in GA fighting child prostitution are the FBI. GA law enforcement works with them but I look forward to a day when GA will take care of it in-house. We should police our own state. We have a state law in place for that purpose, we just need to enable law enforcement here to do their jobs. As a member of GA Rescue and Restore I received information that the 2 sides had reached a tentative agreement at 11am on 2/01. Yet after the groups that supported the bill left, at 2pm the opposing group still had a press conference of their own on the steps of the capitol building. It also seemed they were armed with nothing but conjecture and opinion. I hope that was not enough to distract the legislators that have said they will vote in favor of this legislation into changing their minds. A Future Not a Past, Street Grace and Wellspring as well as other groups that are in favor of the legislation have actual GA research to back up their statistics and have done actual work on the frontlines of the issue. Just ask Sgt Britton with the Atlanta Police who heads their Child Expolitation Task Force what he thinks of the bill. Or better you can read it here: http://www.humantrafficking.org/updates/856. I was there at that hearing and I was also there at the capitol on Monday 2/01. If any of the opponents of the bill would like to see the motives of the people behind this bill they can read about them all over the internet, here is an example : //www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/FBI_Atlanta_Fight_Child_Prostitution_072209
A little research and a few moments reading reveal that the people behind this legislation have the best for the child victims in mind as well what is better for our state. In this state budget crunch, they are asking for no more funding, no more cost or expense to the state whatsoever. The infrustructure and funding are already in place right now. If girls ( and boys too , hopefully in the near future their needs will also be addressed more ) continue to go thru the revolving door of juvenile detention centers, there is greater cost to the state now and for years to come when they cannot support themselves or their children. It behooves us to stop recidivism. These kids are more likely to learn how to commit more crimes when incarcerated. Not to mention the fact that the Dept of Juvenile Justice is so overwhelmed right now that I am told they have to reserve beds for kids who are deemed a danger to others. They simply have no room or budget to hold onto the others. So any way you look at it there is no protection for them there. Plus no one I know would say that kids going into Juvenile Detention are being rehabilitated, so how exactly are they being helped by going there? And I heard the opposing group stated what is needed is more police and law enforcement- if they did say that, that seems a little reckless because they offered no solution just another budgeting problem. Oh yes, I wanted to mention also that I learned from SGt Britton that in the past the police could not pick up a minor without an arrest, unless DFCS has an existing pickup order with that specific childs name on it. But now that the law has been passed last year for mandatory reporting of any suspected sexual abuse of a child, they now not only can pickup the minor but must do so as a matter of law. Then they can utilize the GA Car Connection to have the minor’s needs assessed and placement etc.
I continue to hope and pray that both sides can stick to what they can agree to and avoid the rest, so that what is best for Georgia and for its children is what gets accomplished in the end.

p.s. This is my personal pet peeve: Right now, the only ones able to make any headway in GA fighting child prostitution are the FBI. GA law enforcement works with them but I look forward to a day when GA will take care of it in-house. We should police our own state. We have a state law in place for that purpose, we just need to enable law enforcement here to do their jobs.

]]> By: Harry http://www.peachpundit.com/2010/02/01/a-bill-to-help-child-prostitutes-incorrectly-called-legalization-by-christian-opponents/comment-page-1/#comment-211133 Harry Wed, 03 Feb 2010 13:18:55 +0000 http://www.peachpundit.com/?p=20588#comment-211133 Amen to that. Amen to that.

]]> By: patquig http://www.peachpundit.com/2010/02/01/a-bill-to-help-child-prostitutes-incorrectly-called-legalization-by-christian-opponents/comment-page-1/#comment-210994 patquig Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:39:37 +0000 http://www.peachpundit.com/?p=20588#comment-210994 Buzz, thanks for standing up for Sen. Unterman and her attempt to protect young girls from victimization. By not prosecuting young girls under 16 we have an opportunity to rehabilitate them without their being exposed to the juvenile detention center where they are only encouraged there to become felons. I disagree with all who say that most of these girls are prostituting themselves voluntarily. They are lured into prostitution by the people we should continue to throw the book at, pimps, panderers, trafikkers and johns. As a victim they should be treated as such and put into programs designed to help them out of these circumstances and into a productive life without the stain of arrest, prosecution and the influence of those in the juvenile detention facilities. The cops can pick-up young girls get them into the proper care giving environments without having to arrest them and without violating their civil rights. I am very disappointed with the arguments that want to use punishment for these victims instead of grace. It is like arresting someone who has been stabbed and is bleeding instead of providing medical care. Buzz, thanks for standing up for Sen. Unterman and her attempt to
protect young girls from victimization. By not prosecuting young
girls under 16 we have an opportunity to rehabilitate them without
their being exposed to the juvenile detention center where they are
only encouraged there to become felons. I disagree with all who
say that most of these girls are prostituting themselves voluntarily.
They are lured into prostitution by the people we should continue
to throw the book at, pimps, panderers, trafikkers and johns. As a
victim they should be treated as such and put into programs designed to help them out of these circumstances and into a productive life without the stain of arrest, prosecution and the
influence of those in the juvenile detention facilities. The cops can
pick-up young girls get them into the proper care giving environments without having to arrest them and without violating
their civil rights. I am very disappointed with the arguments that
want to use punishment for these victims instead of grace. It is
like arresting someone who has been stabbed and is bleeding instead
of providing medical care.

]]> By: Donald Duck In Person « Chamblee54 http://www.peachpundit.com/2010/02/01/a-bill-to-help-child-prostitutes-incorrectly-called-legalization-by-christian-opponents/comment-page-1/#comment-210960 Donald Duck In Person « Chamblee54 Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:54:25 +0000 http://www.peachpundit.com/?p=20588#comment-210960 [...] “Christian Right” is making to these bills. Some say the bills would amount to legalization of child prostitution. Never mind that the laws against procuring and hiring would be left in [...] [...] “Christian Right” is making to these bills. Some say the bills would amount to legalization of child prostitution. Never mind that the laws against procuring and hiring would be left in [...]

]]> By: fultonrighty http://www.peachpundit.com/2010/02/01/a-bill-to-help-child-prostitutes-incorrectly-called-legalization-by-christian-opponents/comment-page-1/#comment-210883 fultonrighty Tue, 02 Feb 2010 16:09:56 +0000 http://www.peachpundit.com/?p=20588#comment-210883 I am encouraged to hear that a compromise might be in the works. Both those for and against it want the real criminals to be prosecuted to the max, and for the victims to be helped by groups such as Wellspring Living, Angela's House, etc. Both want child prostitution to be blotted out of existence. SB304's approach has not been tried anywhere else; why not? What is working well elsewhere? How can we innovate with legal wisdom, not just good intentions? There has to be an answer. Who is working on it? I am encouraged to hear that a compromise might be in the works. Both those for and against it want the real criminals to be prosecuted to the max, and for the victims to be helped by groups such as Wellspring Living, Angela’s House, etc. Both want child prostitution to be blotted out of existence.

SB304′s approach has not been tried anywhere else; why not? What is working well elsewhere? How can we innovate with legal wisdom, not just good intentions? There has to be an answer. Who is working on it?

]]> By: sonofliberty http://www.peachpundit.com/2010/02/01/a-bill-to-help-child-prostitutes-incorrectly-called-legalization-by-christian-opponents/comment-page-1/#comment-210868 sonofliberty Tue, 02 Feb 2010 15:42:56 +0000 http://www.peachpundit.com/?p=20588#comment-210868 .....Senator Unterman's bill does exactly what she says it will do......The Christian Right......is....neither …..Senator Unterman’s bill does exactly what she says it will do……The Christian Right……is….neither

]]> By: Josh4507 http://www.peachpundit.com/2010/02/01/a-bill-to-help-child-prostitutes-incorrectly-called-legalization-by-christian-opponents/comment-page-1/#comment-210850 Josh4507 Tue, 02 Feb 2010 14:54:39 +0000 http://www.peachpundit.com/?p=20588#comment-210850 Buzz, As crazy as it seems, most girls are NOT forced into prostitution. Most girls ARE forced to stay in prostitution. They are runaways, not kidnap victims. Buzz,

As crazy as it seems, most girls are NOT forced into prostitution. Most girls ARE forced to stay in prostitution. They are runaways, not kidnap victims.

]]> By: polisavvy http://www.peachpundit.com/2010/02/01/a-bill-to-help-child-prostitutes-incorrectly-called-legalization-by-christian-opponents/comment-page-1/#comment-210844 polisavvy Tue, 02 Feb 2010 14:45:05 +0000 http://www.peachpundit.com/?p=20588#comment-210844 Excellent post and I couldn't agree more. He definitely doesn't force us to do a thing. As a matter of fact, He has given us rules for guidance, i.e., The Ten Commandments. How, being Christians, could they possibly believe that this bill would actually "legalize" prostitution? These people need to try to work with Ms. Unterman, not condemn her. Excellent post and I couldn’t agree more. He definitely doesn’t force us to do a thing. As a matter of fact, He has given us rules for guidance, i.e., The Ten Commandments. How, being Christians, could they possibly believe that this bill would actually “legalize” prostitution? These people need to try to work with Ms. Unterman, not condemn her.

]]> By: drjay http://www.peachpundit.com/2010/02/01/a-bill-to-help-child-prostitutes-incorrectly-called-legalization-by-christian-opponents/comment-page-1/#comment-210841 drjay Tue, 02 Feb 2010 14:33:47 +0000 http://www.peachpundit.com/?p=20588#comment-210841 i believe the senator said a compromise is in the works, if there are parts of the bill that can be improved and still work toward a goal of helping these girls, that would be awesome, and i doubt the senator would object, although all the histrionics of her "opponents" on the right probably make that a little harder... i believe the senator said a compromise is in the works, if there are parts of the bill that can be improved and still work toward a goal of helping these girls, that would be awesome, and i doubt the senator would object, although all the histrionics of her “opponents” on the right probably make that a little harder…

]]> By: Joshua Morris http://www.peachpundit.com/2010/02/01/a-bill-to-help-child-prostitutes-incorrectly-called-legalization-by-christian-opponents/comment-page-1/#comment-210840 Joshua Morris Tue, 02 Feb 2010 14:33:03 +0000 http://www.peachpundit.com/?p=20588#comment-210840 That's just funny. :) That’s just funny. :)

]]> By: Joshua Morris http://www.peachpundit.com/2010/02/01/a-bill-to-help-child-prostitutes-incorrectly-called-legalization-by-christian-opponents/comment-page-1/#comment-210839 Joshua Morris Tue, 02 Feb 2010 14:28:31 +0000 http://www.peachpundit.com/?p=20588#comment-210839 I did read it, Mozart. That's why I asked the question regarding other statutes that might address my concern. I did read it, Mozart. That’s why I asked the question regarding other statutes that might address my concern.

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