5 Christmas Wishes Open Thread

My sister reminds me of my annual list of Christmas wishes, as told to us by Steve Martin. Take a listen, though it is recommended for adult ears only.

Consider this a political cease-fire. Merry Christmas and/or Happy Holidays to you and yours. May each of you find happiness in the season.

Open Thread.

65 comments

  1. Ken in Eastman says:

    Merry Christmas, everyone. May God bless each of you (including those who don’t believe in God) during this season and all through 2010.

          • Ken in Eastman says:

            fundy,

            I know that. I also know that the offer had to have been made in order for acceptance.

            Like I said, just relax and take it at face value.

          • fundy1611 says:

            You agreed with the statement “As long as God believes in us, we’re covered.” which is totally contrary to the Word of God………….just take it at face value.

          • Ken in Eastman says:

            Thanks fundy, for your opinion. I know what I believe. I don’t need you to instruct me on my own beliefs. Merry Christmas!

          • Icarus says:

            The bitter and judgemental usually don’t make the best ambassadors to spread God’s word nor convey his message of love. Just take that at face value.

          • Tricia says:

            Fundy – even if my children reject me, I still love them. If I’m capable of that, God is capable of so much more. I’m sure God is ready and willing to bless everyone on here.

          • John Konop says:

            Fundy

            You might find this interesting Merry Christmas.

            DON’T JUDGE, LEST YOU BE JUDGED

            Luke 6:37-42 [37] “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. [38] Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.” [39] He also told them this parable: “Can a blind man lead a blind man? Will they not both fall into a pit? [40] A student is not above his teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like his teacher. [41] “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? [42] How can you say to your brother, `Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

            “What points does the Parable Don’t Judge, Lest You Be Judged make?”

            We should not be so busy criticizing others that we fail to see our own faults.

            We should be kind and forgiving, not harsh and judgmental.

            If we are generous with others, others will be generous with us. Also, God will be generous with us.

            “As you sow, so shall you reap.”

            “What goes around comes around.”

            “… forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sin against us …” If we forgive others, God will forgive us. If we refuse to forgive others, God will refuse to forgive us.

            “Does ‘Don’t Judge Lest You Be Judged’ mean we shouldn’t serve on juries, send people to prison, and so on?”

            No. This is not talking about criminal activities that are a threat to society. Nor is it talking about spiritual activities that are a threat to the church and society at large, such as teaching false doctrines. Paul clearly condemned specific people for false teachings. He rebuked Peter for Peter’s refusal to eat with Gentiles when the “head honchos” from Jerusalem visited. This is saying don’t judge a person’s eternal destiny, don’t nitpick, be kind, don’t be a hypocrite, and don’t hold grudges. Indeed, people who do those kinds of things hurt themselves in the long run because they develop a critical, divisive spirit that poisons their own relationships with others.

            http://www.godonthe.net/evidence/judging.htm

          • fundy1611 says:

            Let’s review how this all started……first was the post of “including those who don’t believe in God” with the reply of “As long as God believes in us, we’re covered”.

            If you folks claim to be Christians and want to defend that unbelievers are “covered”, than have at it. I’ll stand by the Word of God and gladly take your attacks.

          • Tricia says:

            Fundy – again, God loves all of his children, even more so than we as parents are capable of loving our own children. If our children disappoint us we don’t stop loving them.

            “If you folks claim to be Christians and want to defend that unbelievers are “covered”, than have at it.”

            Yes, I will defend that God loves his children, even when they turn from him. Further, just as I am saddened by people being cruel to my children, I am sure God is saddened by us when we are cruel to any of his children. So I will not be cruel or judgmental to any of his children. As a christian, I feel THAT is my calling.

            God bless everyone on his Son’s birthday!

          • ByteMe says:

            Fundy, you’re so stuck in your own narrow view of things that you are missing the bigger picture.

            If God doesn’t believe in you, you don’t exist. Clearly God is good enough to believe in you, because you’re still here.

            Unless, of course, this is all a dream and you’re not here and neither am I. And don’t try to convince me that you’re really here, because if this is a dream, you would only think you were here to the extent of the dreamer’s imagination.

          • fundy1611 says:

            Tricia,

            What you’re saying may sound good and even feel good, unfortunately, it’s not true or biblical. Not everyone is a child of God. Prior to receiving Christ as one’s Savior, the Bible declares us (Eph 2) “children of disobedience” and “children of wrath”. The only way someone becomes a child of God is through Christ. (John 14:6 – Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.) Comparing your relationship to your children and God’s relationship to his children is apples and oranges. You children became your children through their physical birth. We become God’s children not through our physical birth but through our spiritual birth. Therefore, not everone who has been physically born is a child of God. They must be spritually born. John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (physical birth) and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

          • Tricia says:

            Really, Fundy – so who gave them their souls? And what about the whole “formed you in your mother’s womb” thing?

            You continue to promise everyone hell fire and brimstone, and I’ll promise them God’s love, and we’ll see who gets more people saved.

            Merry Christmas!

          • Ken in Eastman says:

            Prior to receiving Christ as one’s Savior, the Bible declares us (Eph 2) “children of disobedience” and “children of wrath”.

            fundy,

            If they are not children of God, then whose children are they?

            Personally I believe we are all God’s children. You yourself pointed out, correctly, that God has given us a Gift (the very first Christmas gift, as a matter fo fact) that we are free to accept or reject. So, again I ask you, whose children does God offer this Gift that can never be repaid?

          • fundy1611 says:

            Ken, the Bible clearly teaches, that prior to being reconciled with the Father by accepting his Son, we are seperated from him by our sin. God created us and he sent his son to die for our sins, but we are not part of the family of God until we accept his Son by faith. The bible says we are childre of wrath and children of disobedience. We are heathens prior to getting saved. Look how Christ referred to a crowd of pharisees who rejected him.

            John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his owna: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

            Christ was a straight-shooter and not afraid to tell sinful man what his condition was. Unfortunately we live in a generation where the Joel Osteens of the world are afraid to preach the truth and allow thousands to die in their sin and go straight to hell.

          • Ken in Eastman says:

            fundy,

            Again:

            Personally I believe we are all God’s children. You yourself pointed out, correctly, that God has given us a Gift (the very first Christmas gift, as a matter of fact) that we are free to accept or reject. So, again I ask you, whose children does God offer this Gift that can never be repaid?

            So you honestly believe that I was wrong to ask God to bless all of us?

          • Ken in Eastman says:

            fundy,

            I would encourage everyone to read all of John, Chapter 8 and put this in context. Jesus was not speaking to the masses, He was speaking to those who doubted Him.

            It is clear that their attitudes and actions make them the children of the devil, not their mere existence. We are all sinners, fundy.

            God is kind enough to understand that and He loves us anyway. We have earned nothing; we have won nothing; and God is His infinite grace has given us a gift that we can never repay. It’s all in John 3:16, and it says “whosoever”. That’s good enough for me.

            As for the nonbelievers, no one needs God’s blessing more.

            Matthew 9:10-13:

            10And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples.

            11And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?

            12But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.

            13But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

          • fundy1611 says:

            Ken,

            To be frank, it really doesn’t matter what you
            “personally” believe if you don’t have Bible to back it up. If we were already sons of God then explain the following verse:

            John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

            Read the verse and stop relying on your own reasoning. It says “as many as received him” became “sons of God”. Not when you were born physically.

            Agian, prior to recieving Christ as Savior, we are children of wrath, of disobedience, of the Devil, of sinful man, of Adam, whoever. We are not joint heirs with Christ, in the body of Christ, part of the family of God, etc, etc, etc.

            Eph 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. (How does that verse appy to a muslim, buddist, hindu? Or even a child of a baptist, catholic, methodist? No matter what you were born into for a religion, until you personally place your faith in Christ for your salvation, you are not a child of God.)

            Find me one verse were the Bible refers to the heathen as children of God. It doesn’t exist. Christ came on Christmas to reconcile sinful man to the Father. When that happens, man becomes a child of God. If man were already a child of God then there would of been no need for Christ to leave Heaven, come down to earth, and die on an old rugged cross.

          • Ken in Eastman says:

            fundy,

            And so you believe it is wrong for me to ask God to bless everyone, especially the nonbelievers, who surely need it most?

            You keep skating around this fundy.

          • fundy1611 says:

            There must be some sort of rule you broke by posting a second time before I could respond. 🙂

            As for your second response, it is quite interesting that you used the word “whosoever” and left off the “believeth” part. Those who don’t believe in the Son, don’t recieve everlasting life. So I guess under your scenerio God would be sending His children to hell.

            Also you claim some sort of “context” my saying “He was speaking to those who doubted Him”. How is that different than the millions in the world that don’t believe?

            Your “everyone is a child of God” doesn’t hold up when compared to scriptured.

          • fundy1611 says:

            “And so you believe it is wrong for me to ask God to bless everyone, especially the nonbelievers, who surely need it most?”

            You most certainly can pray for God to bless nonbelievers. However, you may want to make sure you’re a child of God or else your prayers will fall on deaf ears and secondly, if you are a child of God then you would be better off praying for nonbelievers to accept Christ as their Savior. All the physical blessings in this world won’t matter if they die and go to hell. My issue wasn’t the blessing request it was with the “covered” implication of the unbeliever. But it sure made for a good Bible study on Christmas Eve!!!

          • Ken in Eastman says:

            fundy,

            I didn’t need a noun and a verb. I needed a noun.

            My point, which is yours to take or not, is that God gives us all (“whosoever”) that opportunity, including those who this second are nonbelievers – you know, those people you are in a hurry to ship off to Hell – who may become believers in time. I was once a nonbeliever and so were you. I need God’s blessings when I was a nonbeliever even more than now. perhaps you are different, who knows?

            Also, I have never said, hinted or implied that there is another way to God. You have constructed an argument out of my agreement with someone else. I feel confident I understood what they meant. I am also confident that you still don’t. Again, I know what I believe. You do not. You do however, love discord.

            Finally, again, you have not answered and said why it is wrong to wish God’s blessings on everyone including nonbelievers. I don’t know why you find this offensive, then again I don’t know why you chose to blow something up to epic proportions, either.

          • Ken in Eastman says:

            fundy,

            First, I never said “physical blessings.” It wasn’t what I had in mind at all. You assumed it was physical and you were wrong. Throughout this thread you have always chosen the worst interpretation of what anyone said.

            Second, as to your implication that I am not a child of God, that is for God to judge; not you. Not in your wildest megalomaniacal fantasies. In addition, you do not know me and you never will. In your own words, fundy, “To be frank, it really doesn’t matter what you
            “personally” believe . . .

            Third, I have not attacked your intentions. You, though seem to glory in making the worst of any statement.

            For your own personal benefit, go back, yank the plank, read what I wrote again and examine how you derived at the point where you decided I was a nonbeliever. Then do me a huge favor. Do not attempt to explain it to me, for I could not possibly care less about your opinion.

            Merry Christmas, fundy – AND to all of the nonbelievers – I hope God in His infinite mercy, blesses each of us.

          • fundy1611 says:

            Ken,

            I went back and read everything you wrote and it is clear you don’t know what you believe nor can you back it up with Bible. You stated several times that all people where God’s children and I provided you several Bible passages that directly refute such a belief. Once you realized you lost that argument you moved on to a bunch of disconnected nonsense and put words in my mouth.

            As for your salvation, I have no way of knowing without hearing your testimony of such an experience.

          • Mozart says:

            If every child is a “child of disobedience” before that child officially accepts Christ as his or her savior…then I think that argument should make abortion perfectly acceptable as fetuses would be chock-full of sin.

            You cannot have it two different ways, fundy. The fetus cannot be sinless in the womb, be born, and then immediately suck-up a lot of sin. If we operate on your theory, abortion should be legal, fair, and accepted as a way to prevent more sin from coming into the world.

        • Game Fan says:

          Demonbeck
          As a part-time member of the “tinfoil hat club” I’m a believer in conspiracies, but frankly I think that 99% of conspiracies get thrown in the recycle bin depending on the latest fad. I mean you have consumers at the bottom and various clowns at the podium. Then the “conspirators” are simply trying to align the two and predict the price of tea in China 6 months from now. All I need now is some empirical data to back up my theory. 🙂

  2. NorthGeorgiaGirl says:

    Merry Christmas to everyone at PP…and here’s to enjoying the annual “A Christmas Story” marathon!

    • ByteMe says:

      Umm… he did that monologue 18 years ago. There’s a big difference between 25 and 43, if you see what I mean.

  3. Donna Locke says:

    Merry Christmas, everybody. I hope you make it home, if only in your mind. Be sure to get quiet and listen for the Christmas hush. There’s no telling what you may hear in it.

  4. Dickens says:

    Fundy,

    I have a hard time believing one so pious as you is spending the eve of this Holy day ranting at the rest of us. But since you are, and since you have challenged the Faith of me and others, let me say that I hope you find love in your heart and that it may be the gift that brings you the true joy of Christmas.

    And when you are so gifted, please read my work, “A Christmas Carol,” any of the works of C.S. Lewis, and perhaps even, the New Testament. If you do not know already, the Bible is in two parts – the Old and New Testaments. If you only read and study the Old Testament, you will have learned half the Message.

    The New Testament brings the hope of love and redemption and, pardon my preachiness, the aspiration that all of us are God’s children, because, you see, Jesus our Savior died for all of our sins.
    I’m not aware of any Christian sect that teaches otherwise.

    As I write this I am also praying for forgiveness for my sarcasm, but also for you — that you might find some Peace on the eve of our Savior’s birth.

    And Peace to His people on Earth.

    • fundy1611 says:

      I’ve provided several verses in my thread with Ken that pertain to unbelievers being “children of God”. You’ve provided nothing in your post that prove contrary.

      • Soulja Boy says:

        Fundy,

        Satan loves you. Jesus loves you, but doesn’t care to have you join him in his kingdom. Enjoy your eternity in Hell, and I hope you beat Hitler in Backgammon.

        • Icarus says:

          O.K., the crusades will have a cease fire now too.

          Fundy, any more comment from you gets you in time out for a few days.

          Any more people condemning anyone to hell on Christmas gets a longer if not permanent time out.

          Move along and enjoy Christmas. Whether you celebrate it as a religous or secular holiday, the tone on this thread is becoming intolerable. Knock it off.

          • Icarus says:

            Enjoy your martyrdom, Fundy.

            Merry Christmas to the rest of you, and now please enjoy a little more peace on Earth, and goodwill towards men.

          • 1magnoliapeach says:

            Icaus, Thank you for your comments about this thread! If only for one day, it would be nice ot have a little “Good Will” towards all…regardless of beliefs. Merry Christmas to all!

  5. slyram says:

    Icarus: I am digging this political ceasefire. I wrote a blog post last week saying that Michelle Obama should start a Cease Corps to push for a cease in the personal actions that lead to seeking governmental solutions. Anyway, the other day I linked George Michael’s video “Praying for Time” on my blog because those lyrics were on my mind.
    “And he can’t come back because he has no children to come back for.” “And the rich declare themselves poor.” “What was over there is over here.” Okay, I am reading Hot, Flat and Crowded by Thomas L. Friedman and wondering why people are cutting grass in my subdivision in December. Polar bears won’t be swimming in the Flint River anytime soon but we should be praying for time, hating less or generally more positive in 2010.

    This ceasefire is nice because industries and people like to locate in places where folks work together in a mature and reasonable way. The state that functions smoothly might emerge economically faster.

    Merry Christmas

  6. IndyInjun says:

    I always think of the Christmas 1914 truce and wonder if the PP combatants could put down verbal weapons like the Germans and Brits did their deadly weapons in a very real war.

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