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  1. G. Moxley Sorrel says:

    “But one-in-three likely primary voters (32%) are undecided, a number virtually unchanged from the summer, suggesting that the race is attracting little attention at this time and remains competitive.”

    “More significant, however, is the huge number of primary voters who don’t know enough about any of the candidates to venture even a soft favorable or unfavorable opinion.”

    Polling numbers now don’t seem to matter that much at this point. Looking forward to the disclosures in January.

    • NorthGAGOP says:

      Anybody that got lumped into the “other” category will have to have at least a 5-1 advantage over the three “front runners” to have any chance.

  2. Elin is Hot says:

    The Ox is slip-sliding away…slip-sliding awayyyyyy…the nearer he gets to his destination, the more he slip-slides awayyy…

  3. John Konop says:

    If Oxendine is the best known of the candidates and his numbers are sleeping this is not a good sign. And if only 26% do not know him and he is at 28% now, he would have to win over and or convert a lot of voters to get to over 50%. I think this poll shows Handel and Deal with biggest potential upside. And Handel does not have any ethical issues surrounding her campaign.

    I would say this poll shows Handel having the best chance at this point because of the 50% plus one rule in Georgia. Finally if OX could get elected by a plurality than he would be in the best shape at this point but it seems Georgia election laws work against him.

    …More significant, however, is the huge number of primary voters who don’t know enough about any of the candidates to venture even a soft favorable or unfavorable opinion. Oxendine fares best, with just 26% who are not sure what they think of him. For Handel and Deal, that number rises to the vicinity of 50%. But 65% to 69% have no opinion of the other candidates…..

    • Lawful Money says:

      With lame comedy routines like this, it won’t be long before Oxyclean hits 96% in the “Are You Kidding Me?” category:

  4. ByteMe says:

    From the poll summary:

    None of the other Republican contenders – State Senator Eric Johnson, State Representative Austin Scott and conservative businessman Ray McBerry – has moved in the latest survey. Each picks up just two percent (2%) of the vote now, as does a new candidate in the race, State Senator Jeff Chapman.

  5. oompaloompa says:

    The other candidates are going to cancel each other out and EJ is going to ride in on his white stallion and money bags.
    YES!

  6. Technocrat says:

    Obviously the people of Georgia KNOW no matter who wins it will be nasty -Fiscally for their term.

    Isn’t it amazing that the first potential female governor isn’t getting 50% by now. Obviously women can sense things men cannot.

  7. True Grit says:

    Amazing how Oxendine still leads the nearest competition 2-1 but he’s still the one everyone says is slipping away….

    Per the report–“Oxendine’s support has trended down from 35% in April, but none of the other candidates has made significant corresponding gains. The latest numbers mark little change in the numbers and no change in placement for the top three candidates from surveys in August and October. ”

    Add to that the fact that 32% are undecided, Oxendine gets another 9% boost only if 28% of that 32% vote for him. That still puts him at 37% worst case scenario. When Deal bows out, which will be sooner than later, this thing might not even go to the runoff that everyone is expecting.

  8. Ludwig Von Beachbum says:

    So what are Oxy’s attributes as Governor ?

    Can wreck state vehicles on a whim ?

    Can launder shady contributions via neighboring state ?

    Wine consultant ?

    Live reports from the Oscars ?

    Can use head as Brillo pad to clean bath tub in a jam ?

  9. Goldwater Conservative says:

    I have said it before and I will say it again: As soon as the campaign really starts Oxendine’s numbers will plummet. When the television ads begin rolling out and the people of Georgia are exposed to his ugly appearance, they will flee.

    Deal is a good looking grandfatherly type of guy…Handel, on the other hand, needs to lose a good 30-40 pounds. There is nothing short of plastic surgery and a new hair do that can fix the ugly mug that sits atop the shoulders of John Oxendine.

    Long live the shallowness of American politics.

  10. Technocrat says:

    “Can use head as Brillo pad to clean bath tub in a jam”

    Obviously you are being racists and anti American Indians.
    The Infamous Lumbee curse be on you! May the Lumber and Little Pee Dee River rise up.

  11. Rick Day says:

    What I find interesting is this disappearing support for The Oxcar™ is filtering quietly over to the D, or, heavens forbid, the L camp.

    Or maybe they are so disgusted of the Republicans, but scared of the Democrats (thanks to said GOP propaganda machines) are just going to stay home this primary.

    Pity.

    • fundy1611 says:

      The D and the L will have no chance come next November. Look at the polls in this country. Every D is being viewed as a kin to Pelosi, Reid, and Obama. We are having people show up at our month GOP meetings that have never been involved in politics before. The D peaked in 2008 and it’s all downhill for 2010. One or two Rs getting caught having affairs will not change that.

  12. Life and Liberty says:

    Art 1 Sec 2 par 5 of the Georgia Constitution is our Nullification clause. The citizens of this State are beginning to demand more of their legislators than “getting all that ‘federal’ money”- we are demanding they enforce the Law. whoever is elected the new CEO of the sovereign state of Georgia better be ready to stand in the gap for its citizens.

    • Jeff says:

      That very clause you cite is what allows the US Constitution to cover GA as well.

      So where does Bobby Franklin get off in introducing HB 870, which blatantly violates the First Amendment, while claiming to be a “strict constitutionalist”?

      I’ll give McBerry SOME credit here: At least he isn’t claiming this unconstitutional bill as part of his “State’s Rights Legislation”.

      • Life and Liberty says:

        well, yes- the ’83 constitution is a bit of a mess, that’s for sure.
        As I’m not Bobby, I cannot answer for him. Although I will tell you that I do not agree with him on every point, I do hope his consistent positions pull this State in a direction which more closely resembles the free and sovereign Nation of People we are supposed to be.
        A legislator recently told me that we should be satisfied with 60%. It would seem that this has become the new *target* of our representatives, with the unfortunate result of MUCH LESS than that.
        Frankly, I had hoped for constitutional, States’ Rights leadership in the house yesterday, but I am more than willing to work with what I am given. I will maintain that posture toward our Governor as well, be that a tyrant or a friend of Liberty.

    • Goldwater Conservative says:

      It is not the job of the legislative brach to enforce the law.

      This is politics. You only need to make it work for your contributors and keep enough voters misinformed enough to believe they are voting correctly.

      Ramblinwreck, define Constitutionalist. I dare you. Actually, I pose that question to everyone. It has never been answered…because there is no answer.

      • Life and Liberty says:

        Sorry, Goldwater- you are right. They cannot nor should “enforce”. The good news is they need only stick to the rule of the Law in the face of those who would erode it. And- to their credit- Sen’s Seabough, Wiles, and Smith did a pretty good job of that yesterday in their SB292 subcommittee, as did my own S. Rogers in his Monday Property “tax” hearing.
        There is a new day dawning in the Georgia Legislature, and, as I’ve already stated, the next Governor will have to address this issue of rising discontent among the proletariat toward the out of control federal government else face an uprising all his own.
        Tell me, Jeff- would such a position be construed as a declaration of war on the People of Georgia?

  13. Silent Outrage says:

    This is shaping up to be a race about ethics and who can best lead Georgia forward into a new era of conservative leadership.

    Georgia faces clear choices. Assume the nominee for the Democrats is Roy Barnes. He articulates a message that will resonate that things under the Gold Dome have been going wrong for too long and that it takes someone who has learned from the arrogance of power that the people of Georgia want a Governor who will listen and get things done. Given what has happened over the past month, Barnes has all the ammunition he needs and that’s not counting some real facts: traffic, crowded classrooms, job losses, rising property taxes, etc…

    Republicans better be looking for a candidate for Governor who doesn’t have any ethical flaws in the layup to chosing the nominee for the party unless it wants to full heartedly go ahead and put Roy Barnes back into office.

    • GOPGeorgia says:

      The race will be about jobs. High unemployment will trump ethics issues. (Not approving of ethics issues, just calling it like I see it.) Putting food on the table will have a much bigger impact than anything else. The national dem bad numbers will impact what happens in Georgia as well.

    • Ken in Eastman says:

      I believe the problems won’t really emerge until after 2010 and they will be brought to a head because of falling state revenues due largely to the actions of the Dingaling Brothers (Barack & Joe), Reid & Pelosi Circus that is Washington, DC.

      The new governor will have four years to do the right things and increased revenues after 21012 to get things right. In the meantime, we need to elect honest, ethical people with the talent to get things done. People will care.

      • Ken in Eastman says:

        Sorry. That should be:

        “The new governor will have four years to do the right things and increased revenues after 2012 to get things right. In the meantime, we need to elect honest, ethical people with the talent to get things done. People will care.”

        I really don’t think revenues will fall for the next 19,003 years.

  14. Silent Outrage says:

    I agree that Roy doesn’t represent change, newness, or purity but the rest of Georgia may begin to look anew on him given the current problems in the state and the potential cast of candidates that may go up against him.

  15. rightofcenter says:

    With all due respect, Roy Barnes is going to represent “a new day” or “ethics”? This at a time when the national Democrat brand is tanking? I don’t think so. Remember, the Republican “problem” has to do with doing things the old way (arrogance, heavy-handedness, etc.) Roy Barnes and Bobby Kahn wrote that textbook. A Jimmy Swaggert “I have sinned” moment isn’t going to change that.

    • benevolus says:

      National Dems may be suffering because things are still generally pretty bad economically, but Georgia Republicans can escape the same fate despite being in virtually total control here?

      • GOPGeorgia says:

        The Georgia Republicans will not be associated with the problems of the economy because they will be overshadowed by the national dems on that problem. After 2 years, they can’t say it’s all George W Bush’s fault. The national dems are in power and they will get the blame.

  16. Goldwater Conservative says:

    The commentary on Barnes is probably correct. One very famous line used by Reagan can be usurped by the Barnes campaign: “Are you better off now than you were 8 years ago?”

    That is a line Obama decided not to use, but the message was still clearly conveyed.

    Even in light of the national economic scene that is really what has been driving down the individual assessment of the place in which the place themselves now relative to that point 8years ago, what can we say about the State of the State? Education is no better, the economy is worse, we went from hefty reserves to nearing a deficit, we are furloughing teachers, professors, investigators, judicial staff, etc. There are really no improvements that have been made in this state since the republican party took control.

    Barnes can seriously say these things. He will not win (afterall, when was the last time conservative used evidence as a basis for developing an opinion) but having a democrat say these things at least sets up a foundation for which moderates and progressives to seek office in 2012 and on.

  17. IndyInjun says:

    Bailouts to infinity will “rescue” 250,000 teachers’ jobs, including 1000’s in Georgia.

    Ironically, Georgians, including the teachers so rescued, won’t recognize this and will vote against the Dems anyhow.

    So much for ‘buying’ votes.

    • Ken in Eastman says:

      Indy,

      Hopefully they will “vote” to support the people who really bailed them out – their fellow taxpayers!

  18. Romegaguy says:

    Too bad the Academy doesnt get to vote for Georgia Governor with as much time as Ox spends at the Oscars…

  19. Goldwater Conservative says:

    Priming voters and buying their votes are two different things.

    We’ll see how many teachers vote against the democrats. Afterall, it isn’t the democrats that are forcing teachers to be fuloughed or are cutting school funding.

    These things take time too. The stimulus bill was never designed to buy votes. You may disagree if you like, but the people that designed it know how voters behave and the costs of campaigning…fact is, there just aren’t enough votes to pick up from state employees and teachers to justify passing a bill of such magnitude. Furthermore, when was the last time anybody said: “Well, we are in a recession…we better elected republicans to fix it.” In a word: never. Republicans are ok at dealing with inflation, but they are terrible at regulating and monitoring.

    • John Konop says:

      GC

      The problem is in business and public the notion of consolidation creating efficiencies is usually a pipe dream. From what I have seen in both cases is a lack of respect for what is being done at the company and or local school district….. And when the large organization forces a one size fit all solution it usually creates more problems.

      The reason No Child Left Behind, The home bailout program…are failing miserable is via strong central control one size fit all solutions and nobody in powered to make a decision out of the box.

      No rational person would expect a special Ed kids, students with language issues…. to take the same requirements in school as all stubdents. But in Kathy Cox fantasy No Child Left Behind world she expects every kid to take the same math no matter what. Many teachers tell me they could not pass the math or could Kathy for which she is requiring. And she slowed down the best math students by watering it down to help kids who should not even be in the class.

      This is classis example of what goes when you centralize solutions. Our system of government does not guarantee success. But it was set up that if I did not like what was going on locally I could vote the people out. What we have now is the state and federal government have taken away the control for local officials and now all have is a finger pointing game which nobody wins. And this above issue is spewing itself all over our country.

      We need more local control and both sides need to let things succeed and fail on its own merit.

    • trainsplz says:

      “when was the last time anybody said: “Well, we are in a recession…we better elected republicans to fix it””

      Yep. Cutting taxes is just not a way to attract business. If you compete on lowering the price of doing business, you’re in a race to the bottom and you end up competing with India. Yet Ox wants to dump all state taxes on the end consumer? There’s a reason that Apple Computer is in Ca and NC. It’s not because it’s cheap. It’s because they’ve made investments in making it a nice place to live. So does Ga wanna compete with India, or NC?

      • Ken in Eastman says:

        And if you’re merely creating an atmosphere so that business can operate more economically and more efficiently?

        By increasing tax burdens you make more business models unprofitable. Guess what? Unprofitable businesses cease operation. They go out of business. More people become unemployed!

        • John Konop says:

          KEN

          You Said:

          “By increasing tax burdens you make more business models unprofitable”.

          Reality:

          Business pays taxes on profits if you are talking about income tax. Sales taxes should not be booked as profits or used as cash flow but that is not reality ie tax liens.

          The reality is the cost of starting a business has many factors, experience work force in the area, rent cost, labor cost, I.T. infrastructure in the area……….Yet the number one factor believe or not is the location of the entrepreneur or senior executive team wants to live.

          I am not advocating high taxes but looking at tax rate is just one small factor. And some public expenditure has helped Atlanta area. For example because of the Olympics we have a great fiber optic underground network which has been a big draw and made us a hot spot for technology related businesses.

          One of things hurting Atlanta is transportation infrastructure. But it does cost money to fix the problem.

          • Ken in Eastman says:

            Still, the bottom line is that taxes and regulations make it more difficult for small businesses to make a profit. In addition, there is the option of relatively risk free investments or working for wages so the fact that a profit is being made does not mean the business will continue to operate. Risk factors and other investments are considerations, too.

            Small business start-ups usually do not have the luxury of changing location, nor the luxury of employees for that matter. By the way, if you know some angel investors with available capital, we need to talk. 🙂

            Most important is creating an atmosphere friendly to business creation and it will take a change in presidential administrations before that happens.

          • ByteMe says:

            Ken: if what you think you’re saying is true, then no small businesses would have existed in the ’50’s and ’60’s when the highest tax rates were at 70%. But we know that’s false, because lots of small businesses got started and thrived back then. It’s not the absolute tax rate, it’s the rate relative to your competition and the difference needs to be more than a few percentage points for it to be a significant factor in any business decision.

          • GOPGeorgia says:

            “It’s not the absolute tax rate, it’s the rate relative to your competition and the difference needs to be more than a few percentage points for it to be a significant factor in any business decision.”

            This reminds me of the phrase the beatings will continue until moral improves. Everyone is beaten almost equally so they should all do well.

  20. Banjo.Bob says:

    Oxendine’s campaign staff still painfully in need of basic math skills. From his press release:

    “Oxendine’s closest opponent has “favorable to unfavorable ratio” in the very dangerous 50-50 split zone again.”

    From the actual report:

    “Handel has very favorables of eight percent (8%) and very unfavorables of four percent (4%).”

    I think that’d be a 2:1 favorable rating or 66%, not 50:50. I’d say they do math like drunken sailors, but that’d be an insult to drunken sailors.

    • Doug Deal says:

      That was “very unfavorable” which is how Rasmussen measures strong fealings. There is also a somewhat unfavorable.

      I am not sure what that number is, but that could be the discrepancy.

  21. elijahlovejoy says:

    Its very early in this election. There will be many stories that will come out as there always are. This race will be a new kind of race in my opinion (which matters only to me) in that we will decide on our next governor based on their integrity. Insiders and people addicted to the power and the favors that power brings will become dinosaurs. The book Courageous Leadership by Bill Hybels explains when hiring someone you look at the three C’s. Character ,Chemistry ,and Competence. He explains that only one of those can be taught. It would be great to “HIRE” a governor based on this formula. I really don’t think its impossible and because of that I believe these numbers will change radically before the election.

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