Hines to run against Kathy Cox, picks up big endorsement

Roger Hines announced yesterday that he is running against incumbent School Superintendent Kathy Cox in the Republican primary. Along with the press release kicking off his run comes an endorsement from Senate Majority Leader Chip Rogers:

The rain stopped long enough today for hundreds of supporters to listen to Roger Hines announce his challenge to unseat the incumbent State School Superintendent in next year’s Republican primary. Introducing the 42 year veteran educator, two term state legislator and member of the House Education Committee was Georgia’s Senate Majority Leader, Chip Rogers. “I think that Roger Hines is the very best person that we could possibly have to fill the position of State School Superintendent,” said Senator Rogers.

“Roger understands that education is about children,” continued Senator Rogers. “One of the problems we have in this state is that often times we think too much about the adults and not enough about the kids. Our children deserve better, and it is the adults who have failed them in leadership. I can think of no other person who is better placed to step into this position to help the children of Georgia so we can have a world class education system.”

Roger chose Glover Park in the historic Marietta Square as the setting to announce his statewide race. Emceeing the ceremony was James Wilson, the former Superintendent of Fulton County Schools and Former Interim Superintendent of Cobb County Schools. As a long time school administrator Mr. Wilson echoed the words of Senator Rogers that change was needed in our state education system and that Roger is the best person for the job.

Joining Roger on stage was his wife of 42 years, Nancy Hines. Other dignitaries on stage were a retired Major General of the US Army, state representatives, city mayors and aldermen, school board members, district and county republican leaders and college republican leaders. The invocation was delivered by Roger’s personal pastor, the Reverend Terry Nelson of Keystone Baptist Church. A special treat for the crowd was music by the North Cobb High School Chamber Orchestra, directed by Ms. Paula Krupiczewicz, and the National Anthem sung by North Cobb High School soloist, T.K. Mahachi.

Roger’s career spans teaching at North Cobb and Wheeler high schools and Oakwood non-traditional school before joining the staff at Chattahoochee Technical College. He has also taught at Kennesaw State University, Reinhardt College and New Orleans Baptist Seminary.

In his announcement, Roger emphasized the purpose of schools is for knowledge and learning. He said, “In talking with many local school superintendents around the state, I have found that their concerns are similar to those of the teachers regarding excessive testing. When I’m elected, the state department of education will not just be a data management center. The department will strive to put the joy back into teaching and the discipline and learning back into the classroom.”

56 comments

  1. tinsandwich says:

    I have met Mr. Hines and his wife Nancy on several occasions. He is a great person and would be an upgrade for the state of Georgia.

  2. fultonrighty says:

    Mr. Hines is a great guy and a true educator from what I could gather over lunch several years ago. My number one question is: will he get the crazy new integrated math curriculum out of our high schools? We need to get back to real math presented in tried and true ways.

      • John Konop says:

        fultonrighty

        Fewer Georgia schools meet federal testing goals

        Will Kathy Cox finally admit Math 123 is a complete failure? Should Kathy Cox create different tracks for students based on individual needs and eliminate Math 123??

        AJC-Fewer of Georgia’s public schools met federal testing goals this year, with about 69 percent making the mark compared with 82 percent last year.

        The Georgia Department of Education released its annual report today showing whether schools met the requirements of the federal No Child Left Behind Act. The law expects schools to continually improve student learning. Those that fail to do so face sanctions, ranging from having to offer free tutoring to hiring new staff to a possible takeover by the state.

        State schools superintendent Kathy Cox had predicted more schools would fail this year because of low math test scores. The state says it created harder elementary and middle school math tests to match the state’s more rigorous curriculum in this subject.

        Also, more students in all grades were required to pass state math and English exams to meet testing goals. Passing rates will gradually increase to reach the federal mandate that 100 percent of students pass by 2014.

        “We have increased rigor coupled with increased expectations,” Cox said in a telephone interview today. “It was harder this year, much more difficult than ever before.”

        This double whammy of harder math tests and higher pass rates affected elementary schools the most. About 77 percent of them made testing goals this year, compared with about 96 percent last year.

        The most troubling results were found in high schools. Only 48 percent made testing goals, compared with 56 percent last year.

        “It’s math that’s hurting us,” Cox said. “We have to help these kids who are sitting in our high schools with very weak math skills.”

        read more

        http://controlcongress.com/education/fewer-georgia-schools-meet-federal-testing-goals

        • Kevin Wood says:

          The new math curriculum is an absolute disaster. Why does the state seem to believe that EVERY child has to attend college to be successful? What not make a high school diploma mean something again?

          Technical diplomas in real world jobs would go along way to improve our system of schools. Not every child has the same needs. Give parents and students options for real world useful learning at the high school level and dropout rates will improve dramatically. Give control of curriculum and diploma types to the local systems. Allow parents and students the power to make choices about their education. As it stands now, students are all tracked to be college students who are going to be lawyers, doctors, teachers, etc. I have no faith that our current state board of education will see the light and reform our system. We need a new direction.

  3. Truthteller says:

    Headline next July:

    Cox Defeats Hines 62-38%.

    This is a no-go.

    Kathy’s done a good job and the rank and file just aren’t mad at her.

    She’s faced the issue of her husband’s construction business going under, same as thousands of other builders around the state. People “get” that it is happening to many good people in this economic downturn.

    Cox wins, and not close.

  4. John Konop says:

    Kathy Cox must go!

    Kathy Cox: A troubling score gap

    AJC….It bothers me that Georgia students deemed proficient in reading and math on the CRCT are performing below grade level on their NAEP counterpart tests. The state disagrees, noting that the two exams measure different things.

    “It does not account for differences in what each state assessment measures and what NAEP measures, nor does the study account for differences in the definitions of proficiency,” DOE spokesman Matt Cardoza says.

    But why is it that the high-performing states — the ones who shine no matter what comparison is being made or what test is being considered — also lead on NAEP? The states sharing the lower berths with Georgia in the NAEP mapping are mostly the usual laggards.

    ● In reading, Georgia fourth-graders who met the proficiency standard set by the CRCT had an equivalent NAEP score of 185 in reading. Not only is a score of 185 below NAEP’s proficiency score of 238, it’s below NAEP’s basic level cutoff score of 208.

    ● In eighth-grade reading, students deemed proficient in reading by the CRCT had an equivalent NAEP score of 215.

    Again, the score trails the NAEP proficiency score of 281 and falls below the NAEP basic score cutoff of 243.

    ● And math tells much the same story. Georgia’s fourth-grade proficiency score translates to a NAEP score of 213, below both the NAEP proficiency score of 249 and the basic score of 214.

    ● In eighth-grade math, the CRCT proficiency score maps to a NAEP score of 243.

    That’s well below the NAEP proficiency score of 299 and the basic score of 262…..

    more
    http://www.ajc.com/opinion/learning-curve-a-troubling-182706.html

  5. John Konop says:

    Dropouts pay a high price – and so do the rest of us

    Kathy Cox and the pro No Child Left Behind crowd have made the problem worse by mandating all students must be on a 4 year college track.

    The solution is simple use joint enrollment program for students coordinated with the Tech schools starting in Jr. High. Tech schools must meet graduation and placement requirements for federal loan programs causing a tighter control on education needs via finding jobs for students. This would be win-win for students and tax payers by preparing and matching students with life skills for jobs while utilizing capacity of facilities and instructors more efficiently.

    I have heard Kathy Cox brag how all students should be able to go to a 4 year college. The truth is we have all types of people with different skills. And we need mechanics, plumbers, and beauticians …..like we need doctors, engineers, nurses…..

    I find it outrageous that we judge people strictly on skills that snobs think are best. Hey I am dyslexic but I will put up my math and business reasoning skills against an ENGLISH major. It does not make one of us smarter merely different skill sets!

    Kathy Cox must go!

    AJC-Georgia loses track of thousands of students each year, suggesting the dropout rate may be higher and the graduation rate lower than the state has reported, an Atlanta Journal-Constitution analysis found.

    Last year, school staff marked more than 25,000 students as transferring to other Georgia public schools, but no school reported them as transferring in, the AJC’s analysis of enrollment data shows.

    State officials said their records confirm the mismatch. After the newspaper asked where the students went, the state searched further using student names — which are not public information — and other personal details.

    That search located 7,100 of the missing transfers in Georgia schools, state education spokesman Dana Tofig wrote in an e-mailed statement. The state does not know where an additional 19,500 went, but believes other coding errors occurred, he wrote. Some are dropouts but others are not, he said.

    State officials have touted their statewide student tracking system as among the more advanced in the country. The missing transfers, however, are only the most recent students caught in an informational black hole due to coding errors.

    Read more
    http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories//2009/06/07/georgia_dropout_rate.html

  6. John Konop says:

    Roger Please Listen!!!

    As many of you know, for years I have been advocating that our school offer high school students joint enrollment in vocational-technical schools to help reduce the drop out rate. A few districts have taken the challenge and used the Charter rules with great results to get around the failed one size fit all education system promoted by Kathy Cox and or No Child Left Behind supporters!

    Georgia District Seeks to Duplicate Public Charter School Success

    Macon….”We were extremely impressed with the number of students taking courses there and how they coordinated with the technical college and the business community,” Carpenter said. “We feel the setup helps a student jump start a career.”

    The immediate benefits from the career academy include lower dropout rates, higher graduation rates and a more skilled labor pool in the county, he said.

    The Newnan school’s Web site states the county’s dropout rate has fallen by half since it opened, and the graduation rate for students in dual enrollment programs is 98 percent.

    Coweta’s SAT scores halted their decline and now exceed the state average, according to the school.

    “The career academy will offer different benefits to the community, businesses, students and the school system,” Wall said. “We feel it will increase our high school graduation rate, lower the dropout rate, offer better courses for students, make them better prepared for post-secondary education, and give them real-world experience while they’re still in school.”

    Carpenter and Wall said the academy, at first glance, may seem like a vocational-technical school. But there is a big difference: the active participation of the business community.

    “It is very much like the vo-tech programs of the 1970s, with some of the same components, but it will be better,” Wall said. “The business and community partnership in this is much stronger than in the past.”…….

    http://www.macon.com/197/story/403881.html

  7. ksuowls81 says:

    Georgia’s schools will never be anything with all the dead beat parents that live in this state. One woman at the top of the chain can only do so much. I know it makes us feel good to find that one person to blame, but if Roger Hines takes over its not gonna get any better. Georgians think to hard about the problem when really there is a simple answer (not solution) to our education woes. Georgia has to many kids with no dad or with a mom who pops them out for money and doesn’t care about there education. If the parents don’t care and if they live in that environment we will never never succeed…doesn’t matter who is the superintendent.

    • John Konop says:

      ksuowls81

      If the Kathy Cox spent more time working with districts informing them of very successful local programs in places like Macon, Cherokee….instead of cramming unfunded one size fit all failed educational programs we would not be in this mess! All you guy ever do is make up excuses for her failure. If you and Kathy really think it is hopeless than why is she even in the job?

  8. EAVDad says:

    Full Disclosure: My name is Dana Tofig and I worked as the Communications Director for the Georgia DOE until about six weeks ago. I have since taken another job out of state. For the four-plus years I worked at the DOE, I mostly let Mr. Konop’s misinformation simply sit out there because I didn’t think it was an effective use of my professional time to get into arguments on a blog. I’m not bound by that any longer.

    I won’t weigh in on the election because I’m biased. Obviously, I like Superintendent Cox and would vote for her again without hesitation. I do not know Roger Hines or any of the other candidates for Superintendent, but I do know Kathy Cox and she is a person of integrity who has done some incredible things for Georgia education the past seven years. She has been an honest, forthright leader. Of course, it is fair to debate some of the policies and practices she has put in place — whenever a leader does something, they have to expect dissent. Superintendent Cox embraces dissent and welcomes debate.

    However, misinformation is a completely different thing. To that end, let me correct nearly everything that Mr. Konop has posted here.

    – AYP: The article about AYP that Konop posted is old (compares initial AYP data in 2008 to final AYP data in 2007). In 2009, the final AYP determinations show that 86 percent of schools made AYP compared to 82 percent (final determinations) in 2008. http://www.gadoe.org/pea_communications.aspx?ViewMode=1&obj=1872. I’m wondering why Mr. Konop did not post a more recent article?
    – NAEP vs. CRCT: The validity of NAEP and CRCT comparisons is very questionable (and is something the NAEP folks themselves discourage). Still there is a gap, but Georgia is hardly the only state that faces that. Nearly every state in the union faces that gap. It’s should be noted Georgia was one of only a handful of states to show statistical improvement on the 8th grade NAEP Math test in 2009. There’s still a long way to go, but Georgia is clearly making progress in math after four years of the new mathematics curriculum being in place: http://www.gadoe.org/pea_communications.aspx?ViewMode=1&obj=1879. Again, it’s fair to debate it, but let’s get all the facts on the table.
    – CHARTER SCHOOLS: The number of charter schools that have opened in Georgia have increased nearly six-fold since 2003. If the CEC model is being replicated it’s because the current administration has encouraged it and worked with partners (including Lt. Gov. Cagle, the Technical Colleges and others) to make it happen. The Career Academies initiative would not have happened as effectively without Supt. Cox’s support and the hard work of her Charter School staff.
    – LOSING TRACK OF STUDENTS: The AJC story that was linked to only tells half the story. Yes, students do get lost in the current data system, although the problem isn’t necessarily at the state level — much of it has to do with how information is entered at the school level. The State Board and the GaDOE are creating rules to clean that up. Additionally, Georgia was one of only a small number of states to qualify for a large federal grant to build a Longitudinal Data System because of the progress Georgia has made in building its Student Information System. Also, Technology Counts, a report by Education Week, consistently ranks Georgia as one of the highest states in the nation when it comes to the use of technology in education.

    It is not my job any longer to be a spokesman for Supt. Cox. I’m just taking this one opportunity to make sure that the informed folks on Peach Pundit know that Mr. Konop’s frequently posted articles are riddled with inaccuracies, half-truths and misinformation.

    Improving education takes time — anyone who says they can change education in Georgia overnight is either selling a product or running for office. If you look at the GaDOE’s strategic plan, I think you’ll see there’s a lot of innovative work going on to improve education. I realize some of you will disagree with me, but I ask you to get fully informed before jumping to conclusions about Supt. Cox or the state of education in Georgia.

    I’m sure Mr. Konop will want to have the last word and I’ll let him have it.

    Thanks, Dana

    • John Konop says:

      Dana,

      The reason I did not post the recent articles about performance is because as you know all of your latest results are statically impossible! Anyone whoever took a course in research methods would know the system is riddled with cheating! I find it rather ironic you accuse me of an misrepresentation when you obviously just got caught!

      Are drastic swings in CRCT scores valid?

      AJC-Statistically unlikely state test scores are showing up in more classrooms, suggesting the cheating investigation that has engulfed four schools might be about to widen.

      http://www.ajc.com/news/are-drastic-swings-in-165974.html

      Once again you failed to mention the problems with failed unfunded mandates like math 123 that I warned you about pre-implementation. I challenge any parent to go to their school and ask the teachers and administrators if Kathy Cox or I was right about MATH 123.

      FYI

      How does Kathy Cox State School Superintendent solve her failed Math 123 program which produced a 40% failure rate? PASS THEM ANYWAYS!
      YES according to the AJC Kathy Cox gives out waivers with little regard to any standard.
      89% of Georgia fifth graders never passed the CRCT math test and were promoted!
      In Gwinnet County alone 54% did not have to take a re-test and still got a waiver for promotion from Kathy Cox!

      Georgia School Czar Flunks Math

      http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/georgia-school-czar-flunks-math

      The reason I will get the last word in is because I am dealing with facts not spin!

      FOR THE KIDS, jk

      • John Konop says:

        Dana,

        LOSING TRACK OF STUDENTS:

        Nice spin but like your math 123 your logic and excuses are flawed! The reason you got caught is simple. It was obvious you were not counting the kids properly by merely looking at data from enrollment figures via the freshman year and comparing it to the numbers you used 4 years latter. You guys are either incompetent and or knowingly cheated. This was not rocket scientist math!

        CHARTER SCHOOLS:

        If Kathy Cox is so pro Charter Schools why would she push statewide unfunded mandates down the throat of local school districts?

        FOR THE KIDS, jk

  9. GOPGeorgia says:

    Rep. Hines defeated Cox in a straw poll in Walker County before this endorsement.

    Second, many (Me) think it’s funny that Konop ignores a study because he doesn’t like the results. “all of your latest results are statically impossible.” JK can claim cheating all he wants, but until JK can prove it, it’s just JK not wanting to accept the results.

    JK is the self appointed Nostrodamus of PP. He warned us this and that would happen.

    While I understand the urge to ignore his posts, I request that you (Dana) keep posting accurate facts when possible. It may not be fun to debate, but at least you can provide a counterpoint to the people who read this blog.

    • John Konop says:

      GOPGeorgia

      YOU SAID:

      “Second, many (Me) think it’s funny that Konop ignores a study because he doesn’t like the results. “all of your latest results are statically impossible.” JK can claim cheating all he wants, but until JK can prove it, it’s just JK not wanting to accept the results.”

      THE TRUTH:

      Blind leadership like you is why are country is in trouble. How can you defend Dana knowingly using a study that the STATE is investigated for CHEATING?

      AJC….“Changes of that magnitude are just extremely suspicious,” said Walt Haney, a testing expert and professor at Boston College.

      “There had to be something considerable that happened that you would swing that much in a single year,” said Kathleen Mathers, executive director of the Governor’s Office of Student Achievement.

      Georgia School Superintendent Cox would not comment on the questionable scores because of the state’s investigation, a spokesman said, adding the state would act if cheating were found
      This summer, state investigators said an erasure analysis revealed strong evidence that adults at four schools had cheated on CRCT retests

      DeKalb County police charged two school administrators with falsifying state documents. The state board of education revoked the four schools’ status as having met federal standards, or made “adequate yearly progress.”….

      • THE TRUTH:

        ….Blind leadership like you is why are country is in trouble….

        Wow, I get to agree with JK on two points on the same thread.

        GA GOP, I want you to know I feel the same about the blind leadership on the left as well. No one seems to want to hold anyone accountable anymore…

        • GOPGeorgia says:

          DNA,

          You can call me blind all you like but that doesn’t make it so. I think you are heartless. I have already stated that this is a contested primary and I won’t pick a side to publicly endorse or promote their positions until the primary is over. No matter who the GOP nominates, I’m sure they will get more than 5% the your party will get if they can find a candidate. You are so blind I’ll bet you don’t find a candidate for every statewide race.

      • GOPGeorgia says:

        So in other words, because something is questioned we should not believe it? That’s called a theory, until it can be proven one way or another. There’s a thing called the theory of gravity I’d like to see you test. Pick one leg off the ground. Now lift the other. The mental image of you on your butt, priceless.

        Science experiments should be repeatable, and these tests should be repeatable. Until the investigation is over, there is no proof that anything wrong was done. You haven’t proven anything, just questioned it. I still want you to question gravity.

        I’d also like to see you question global warming. I don’t see you attacking global warming. There are lots of studies that are suspect there. Why not?

        • John Konop says:

          GOPGeorgia

          YOU SAID:

          “So in other words, because something is questioned we should not believe it?”

          THE TRUTH:

          Not only is it obvious that widespread cheating was involved people have already been arrested and fired! You have just demonstrated why so many of us have NO RESPECT for party leaders on both sides! You guys will defend anything for the PARTY over what is best for our country!

          In the real world ie business world if I had used the information to investors like Dana used without full disclosure of fraud I would have major legal issues. I guess you support a lower standard for public officials than reat of us in the private sector.

          • GOPGeorgia says:

            JK,

            YOU SAID: ” How does Kathy Cox State School Superintendent solve her failed Math 123 program which produced a 40% failure rate? PASS THEM ANYWAYS!”

            I think what you meant to say was “pass them regardless.” Perhaps you meant “pass them irregardless.” I know you did not mean to say “PASS THEM ANYWAYS.” If nothing else, it should be “pass them anyway.” Maybe you should worry less about math skills and more about grammar skills.

            You are a mad man with his hair on fire. I am not defending the party. “The party” has nothing to do with this. A political party is a group of people out to get others elected that have similar philosophies of how government should work and what it should accomplish. We are discussing standards of testing in schools. I don’t think that falls into a political philosophy.

            I am poking fun of you questioning everything and occasionally CAPITALIZING something in your post. I don’t know much about these tests nor do I care much about them. You haven’t taken the time to cite any sources of PROOF and it makes you as credible as a man with his hair on FIRE. Please take this time to WARN US of some impending DOOM. (You can tell us you told us about it later.)

            THE TRUTH: Global warming is much more widely believed and talked about than these tests. Are you going to be a MAN and question GLOBAL WARMING? You will defend that over what is best for our country. Why do you hate America so much? Is it for the kids?

          • John Konop says:

            GOPGeorgia

            First GOP GEORGIA my math and logic skills have allowed me to make a very good living. Second attacking my grammar and avoiding the facts I posted does not change the truth. Third if you read my warnings prior to the failed implementation of math 123 and ask teachers, students and administrators they will tell you I was spot on. Finally I have posted numerous facts and the only disputed fact from Dana is a study in which people got arrested via fraud and the only question is how wide spread. And even more bizarre instead of questioning the unethical use of a study by Dana you attack me. It is clear to many like you care more about your PARTY than the country!

          • GOPGeorgia says:

            Konop,

            Your logic skills are clearly dysfunctional. You may make money, but that doesn’t mean it’s because you are logical. What part of these tests have nothing to do with a political party don’t you understand? If you contend that they do, please show us where it is cited in a political party platform. Otherwise please SHUT UP about it being a party thing.

            I am sorry but I have misplaced my stone tablets of John Konops/Nostordamus dire warnings. Which students, teachers, and administrators that I know also know you? Did they get your stone tablets off a mountain with dire warnings?

            Yes, people have been charged. Does that mean they have been found guilty by a jury of their peers? No. Yes, people other than you question the results. Does than mean the results are wrong? Not necessarily. Strong evidence does not equal a conviction. Someone from Boston said it was suspicious. Oh my! Or did I mean who cares? These are the facts and not one of them proves your point beyond all debate or reasonable doubt. It looked like OJ killed his wife, but it wasn’t proven. You can think these tests were tampered with, but can you prove it? No.

            I have yet to get a comment from you about global warming. Is the sky falling? Perhaps freezing? If you are going to question things, why not question things that will interest more of us than your personal vendetta against Cathy Cox? Will I find global warming on your stone tablets of prophesied doom? I need to know before black Friday. I might need to get a new coat.

          • John Konop says:

            GOPGeorgia

            You do understand in the private sector if an executive used data from a study in which people were arrested for FRAUD to raise money, sell products….and did not fully disclose it they would have major legal problems? And even with full disclosure most executive I know would not use questionable data in which people were arrested for fraud. Why do you think Katy Cox a public official should be held to a lower standard than an executive in the private sector?

          • GOPGeorgia says:

            Kathy is held to a different standard because she is hired differently. She has the chance to be either rehired or fired in July and in November of 2010. That’s when the options in her contract run out. You understand contracts, don’t you?

            Even if the whole test brouhaha turns out to full of bad seeds and bad deeds, you still haven’t shown how Cox is complicit in that action. It may have happened under her term, but that’s different from under her planning. I am sure that in 4 years someone from every department of Georgia and 49 other states is going to do something wrong. In the mean time, you should be calling for the removal of every department head of every department of anything that something suspicious happened. It should not matter if it’s proven or not because nothing has been proven here, right? Or do they only get hunted down if they make onto your stone tablets of prophesized doom? If you are on a witch hunt, prove that the dept head knew about it. If you can, I’ll put her head on a stick before you can.

            Konop, I am not debating math123 and I have not been. Your logic skills are dysfunctional because you stated that I am defending the party. The party is not at issue. You have a very hard time comprehending that. Your reading comprehension skills need work.

            For the fifth time in this thread, do you buy into global warming?

          • John Konop says:

            GOPGeorgia

            In your mind if someone is voting into office you have no issue with them using misleading and unethical data that a person in the private sector could go to jail for and or face huge civil judgments for fraud? WOW no wonder we have so many problems in our country with PARTY leaders promoting that ethical standard for public office!

          • JK,

            You forget, Kathy has an “R” beside her name and is therefore beyond accountability for her actions/inactions or being downright incompetent at her job. We’re all suppose to be thankful that we continue to not be “the worst” in education of the states even though half our budget is spent on education.

            I say this “for the children.” They deserve better.
            I say this “for the taxpayer.” We deserve better.

          • GOPGeorgia says:

            You two brain trusts, need to work on your reading comprehension skills. The first thing I said in this thread was that Roger Hines won my home county in a straw poll. I have stated that I am not backing anyone in the primary. If I want to fire Cox and hire Hines, my chance to do that is in July. I have also stated if you can prove that Cox knowingly did something illegal, I would come after her harder and with more impact than you can muster.

            You talk about what could happen in great detail. It is possible that a candidate could walk into bank and hold it up. It’s possible. There would be jail time. Someone could get killed! Your problem is that you can’t PROVE she did anything wrong.

            You have problems with people “using misleading and unethical data.” For SIXTH SIXTH SIXTH SIXTH SIXTH SIXTH time, do you support the theory of global warming?

          • John Konop says:

            GOPGeorgia

            YOU SAID:

            “I have also stated if you can prove that Cox knowingly did something illegal, I would come after her harder and with more impact than you can muster.”

            THE CONVICTED STANDARD:

            WOW your standard for public office is not being convicted of a crime? And you are neutral on ethical behavior and or basic competency of Kathy Cox as long as she is in your party and not doing time.

          • GOPGeorgia says:

            JK,

            Until you can answer the question of if you support global warming, you are not worth talking to. I may still talk about you.

            What part of I am not interfering in a primary race don’t you understand?

            You are proving that you are terminally stupid.

          • John Konop says:

            YOU SAID;

            “What part of I am not interfering in a primary race don’t you understand?”

            “You are proving that you are terminally stupid.”

            THE POINT:

            You just did a great job making my point. PARTY is more important to you than your country! Until we have leadership on both sides that cares about country more than winning elections we will continue on a race to the bottom.

          • OK JK,

            Now it’s getting scary… get out of my head and answer his Global warming question so we can disagree again… and if you do, ask GOPGA about evolution v. intelligent design as science… since that has been more associated with education (v. non-education) lately.

        • John Konop says:

          You Said:

          “Your logic skills are clearly dysfunctional”

          The Truth:

          Once again you would rather attack me on a personal level than deal with facts! Please tell me how I was wrong about Math 123 pre-implementation? Also please tell me why you have no issue with Kathy Cox using a study that administrators were arrested for cheating and the only debate is how wide spared?

          Georgia School Czar Flunks Math

          Georgia’s State Superintendent of Schools, Kathy Cox, has imposed a dramatically changed high school math curriculum without properly reviewing it with teachers and parents. She is replacing the traditional structure (algebra I & II, geometry, Trig, Calculus with Math 1, Math 2, and Math 3). Her new mandate may be well intended–but the devil’s in the details.

          Problem #1: Forcing all students to be “average”

          There are currently four math tracks available to high school students. They vary in difficulty to accommodate a broad range of math abilities. Under Cox’s proposed change, freshmen, sophomores, and juniors will now only have two tracks (Math 1 and Advanced Math 1, Math 2 and Advanced Math 2…).

          Big mistake. This minimalist offering will be too difficult for the lower rungs of math students (encouraging them to disengage) and too easy for the upper rungs (failing to adequately develop their abilities). Why institutionalize mediocrity?

          Also, Cox spokesperson and Georgia’s math program manager Claire Pierce told me the new program was designed around gifted kids because Georgia was “having a problem with the gifted program”. That’s just not true according to Mark Smith, a Cherokee County school system employee assigned to review this math curriculum change. Mark pointed out that gifted kids from Cherokee County are doing great with admissions into top universities and colleges. It is, in fact, the lower end of the math students that are having the biggest performance issues.

          Problem #2: Unrealistic goals for the students

          Cox spokesperson Claire Pierce also told me that a goal of the new math program is to have 85% of students graduate having completed the equivalent of Algebra II. I believe this goal makes the same mistake as President Bush’s unpopular No Child Left Behind (NCLB) program: not all high school students should prepare for college. It is wildly unrealistic to expect that they should, and it damages the self-esteem of kids that would be better served by a vocational program.

          Problem #3: Unrealistic goals for the teachers

          I support high (yet realistic) expectations. But Kathy Cox’s unrealistic plan to graduate 85% of our high school students with the equivalent of Algebra II will destroy the morale of math teachers. Georgia’s high school classrooms face an explosion of immigrants with very poor English skills, pregnant teens, drug users, and kids with parents that don’t support academics.

          Finally, Cox needs to double check her math–if currently 44% of Georgia’s high school students drop out and only 29% (nationally) graduate with math proficiency (which doesn’t include Algebra II), how can she possibly meet her 85% goal? The only way is to hide watered-down standards behind the vaguely titled Math 1, 2, and 3.

          Problem #4: A rushed and careless policy

          Cherokee County’s Mark Smith says Cox’s new math program hasn’t been reviewed with any colleges except those within Georgia’s state system. Meaning no one knows if or how colleges from other states will accept it.
          The state has also failed address how to handle students transferring into Georgia public high schools. Since the new curriculum is mandatory, advanced students transferring into our systems could be forced to sit through math classes they have already mastered. The same holds true for middle school students who have taken advanced math courses.

  10. Back in Black says:

    Overlords of Tanalach, I invoke thee:

    (hands now held over head, looking at the sky)

    PLEASE implement a mercy rule on this thread. Don’t wait the requisite three months! It’s just painful.

  11. Icarus says:

    Attn John K and GOPGA:

    You guys are talking past each other, have diminished into name calling, and aren’t really helping your own cause in the process.

    I would respectfully ask both of you to agree to disagree and move on at this point.

    • John Konop says:

      Icarus

      My only ‘cause’ is to inform voters of problems with the current system and leadership. If voters do not listen than it will be at the expense of our future generations.

      • GOPGeorgia says:

        I think I had about six causes in this thread.

        One was to point out the Konop is a hypocrite for questioning one set of tests that had questionable standards and not global warming.

        Two was to be semi-entertaining.

        Three was to point out that JK likes to randomly CAPITALIZE.

        Four was to point out he has taken to the habit of use words like “YOU SAID”, and “THE TRUTH” in almost every thread.

        Five was to make references to his stone tablets of prophesized doom. (He’s always warning us about something he predicted.) If anyone else has a theory about where else in left field where he is putting on his Nostrodomus cape and prognosticating, I am eagerly listening.

        And Six was to see how many times he would ignore the question about global warming. I stopped count around seven.

        • John Konop says:

          GOPGeorgia

          When you put in all caps it is understood as a way to emphasize the word. Second Global Warming question was only a political trick to change the topic when you guys get caught spinning BS! As I said leaders like you on both sides who care about power more than our country is why we are in a mess! Only a FOOL would buy your BS! And if FOOLS like you cover up for incompetent politician like Kathy Cox than you have no right to complain about the horrible results!

          All I can do is present the facts. And I hope you realize the PARTY brown nose points you have gained was at the expense of our kids’ future! Only someone who loves power more than their country could spin support for a party member using a study that administrators got arrested for cheating!

          • GOPGeorgia says:

            Alright JK,

            I will admit I was wrong on one thing I stated. You do not RANDOMLY capitalize. You capitalize to emphasize words. BTW, the only POWER I use on PP is to make others think, and that has nothing to do with any position I may have within my party. If you don’t like it, I welcome you to move up here and run against me. Even if you won, I would still have the same amount of power on PP.

            Is that a total of 10 times you have avoided answering the global warming question? You have some hate on for Kathy Cox and just because I am not joining your witch hunt that makes me, in your warped mind, part of some cover up. When an investigation is over, and if Sup. Cox has been found guilty of something, I will endorse one of her opponents or at least denounce her. I doubt that will happen, but we will see.

            One of my standards for supporting someone in public office is them not being convicted of a major crime. Is that so bad? I also believe in “innocent until proven guilty.” Disclaimer, If I really believe that something is going on I may make an exception. If you are trying to convince me or others that there is really something going on, we are LOSING the MESSAGE because you act like a MADMAN with his HAIR on FIRE. I am neutral on Kathy Cox’s race because I am neutral on every contested statewide race in the GOP. That may burn you up, but at least I have ethics that require me not to play favorites in races even when I want to. IMO, you have yet to display a set of ethics higher than “off with her head.”

            If I understand you correctly, if you were arrested for any crime, you are guilty. And if anyone who works for you is arrested, you are gulity as well. Is that the way you see our legal system?

            You ARE a HYPOCRITE for complaining about one set of tests that are suspect and NOT another.

            Since you won’t answer the question on global warming, I will ask a new one. When you got your 17.3% against Tom Price in the GOP primary, and Sinton had no opposition in the Dem primary, how many of your votes were by Dems who wanted to Sinton to run against someone who likes to SPECFICALLY capitalize as opposed to a respected incumbent Congressman?

            If you HATE Kathy Cox so much, why aren’t you running against her? You could do it for the kids future! Only someone who loves the sound of their own voice would complain this much and not take any real action. Is it not that you hate America, but you love the sound of your own voice more? Or are you just tired of getting beaten in GOP primaries?

            Speaking of fools, have you ever heard me complaining about Sup. Cox? But hey, take your winnings. I admitted I was wrong on SOMETHING.

          • John Konop says:

            GOPGEORGIA

            I have no personal issue with Kathy Cox. I do not hate Kathy Cox. In fact I was contacted by a mutual friend of Dana Tofig after Math 123 failed roll-out and asked if I would meet with Kathy Cox and her staff since my warning was spot on about the issues. I told them I would have no issue with a meeting as long as she understood this was not about politics only about the kids.

            And I will not mention names but is no secrete the level of support by Georgia Lawmakers even in her own PARTY is not strong. The support is way down and it is not because they do not like Kathy it is about her failed record in office.

            Once again you have avoided all relevant issues regarding her poor performance and as a PARTY leader to cover for Kathy Cox with a tainted study with fraud and administrators getting arrested is a new low!

            If the thread was even remotely about Global Warming I would have no issue giving my opinion. Yet the thread is about how some leaders in the GOP have the guts unlike you to stand up for our country over protecting a PARTY member.

            You on the other hand would rather play political games to promote yourself in the PARTY over doing the right thing!

          • GOPGeorgia says:

            You complain about data in tests being tainted. You won’t do the same about global warming.

            I have a job to do in my party. That job requires that I do not take sides in a primary. If I quit that job and joined you in a witch hunt, then next person to take my place would be barred from taking sides in a primary. You are still having trouble comprehending that. I am not protecting or covering up anything. I am just refusing to you in a mob and deal out whatever brand of social justice you have in store before an investigation is over or any proof is presented. I don’t need to promote myself. I don’t have any stone tablets of prophesized doom. You are the one who constantly promotes himself with “I warned you’s” and “I told you so’s.”

            It seems as if all you do is throw rocks and not work on getting any real solutions enacted. If you aren’t going to run, are you backing Hines? Or Woods? Farokhi? Westlake? Until you back someone to replace Cox, it’s all about you and how much you know more than everyone else. You just love to talk to hear the sound of your own voice. The problem is, you think we like it too.

          • GOPGeorgia says:

            And exactly who in the GOP who is a District Chairman or statewide officer has weighed in on this issue? Until you can name names that won’t refute it, you are gulity of spin. I am not proving to you that you are full of BS, I am proving it to everyone else. And you are GUTLESS for not stating where you stand on Global Warming.

          • John Konop says:

            GOPGEORGIA

            The post is about Georgia’s Senate Majority Leader, Chip Rogers endorsing Rodger Hines over the incumbent Kathy Cox. As a PARTY leader you could have at least stayed silent over the 8 years of failure under Kathy Cox rather than spinning a study defending Cox which was ripe with cheating and fraud!.

            BTW when was the last time a Senate Majority Leader in Georgia endorsed a candidate in a primary over a sitting incumbent in the same party?

            As far as me backing a candidate I have pledged to help anyone who will end the failed MATH 123, promote the use of joint enrollment for vocational students, let the local distracts, colleges and technical schools set standards for graduation over the state and we promote teaching over high stakes testing.

            And I do think from the positive feedback I have been given when I blast out articles about this issue on my large e-mail list that many parents, teachers and administrators feel the same way.

            And finally I know and like Roger Hines. As I have told many people who have asked me about him I am not sure what he exactly supports for reform. And I will remain silent about my support until I fully understand his or any other candidates’ platform. And with my large following on this issue I have been contacted by candidates to meet with them about solutions as well as talked to numerous lawmakers on both sides. I have made it clear as with my offer to Kathy Cox I was open to meeting with them as long as it was understood this is about finding solutions not politics.

          • GOPGeorgia says:

            JK,

            You clearly need to worry much less about math skills and more about reading comprehension. State Senators are free to endorse who they want. Members of the GOP Executive Committee are not.

            I admitted that I was wrong about you CAPTILIZING RANDOMLY. You admitted that it’s all about YOU, and how candidates must come and kiss YOUR RING to get YOUR endorsement. I went back and read YOU SAID “Hey I am dyslexic but I will put up my math and business reasoning skills against an ENGLISH major. It does not make one of us smarter merely different skill sets!” THE TRUTH: Your lack of reading comprehension skills are the reason you think I am involved in a cover up or making excuses. If you took off your tin foil hat, you might understand me better. BTW, I was an Economics major, not an English major.

            All relevant issues are not being covered by you. YOU SAID: “I find it rather ironic you accuse me of an misrepresentation when you obviously just got caught!” I asked where you stood on global warming, in the news this week, questionable data being used, and YOU SAID “………………………………………………………..”

            “When was the last time a Senate Majority Leader in Georgia endorsed a candidate in a primary over a sitting incumbent in the same party?” As far as I know, never. BTW, Rogers has endorsed Cagle, Graves, Kemp, McGuire, Olens, Shepherd, Fred Thompson for President and more. Tommie Williams endorses Jeff Chapman, Kemp, Olens, and I am sure there are others.

            I have the guts to answer questions and you don’t. Or would you rather go back to not answering how much of your 17% were Democrats? My guess is at least three quarters, but it’s only a guess.

            Until you answer either one of my questions, I am done discussing this with you. I am going to borrow your web page http://www.Idisagreewitheverythingyouareabouttosay.com . Anything you have to say to me without answering either of my two questions is ignored and refuted. (EVERYONE CHEERS!)

            My advice, go take a reading comprehensions skills test and quit assuming the world revolves around you

          • GOPGeorgia says:

            JK,

            You clearly need to worry much less about math skills and more about reading comprehension. State Senators are free to endorse who they want. Members of the GOP Executive Committee are not.

            I admitted that I was wrong about you CAPTILIZING RANDOMLY. You admitted that it’s all about YOU, and how candidates must come and kiss YOUR RING to get YOUR endorsement. I went back and read YOU SAID “Hey I am dyslexic but I will put up my math and business reasoning skills against an ENGLISH major. It does not make one of us smarter merely different skill sets!” THE TRUTH: Your lack of reading comprehension skills are the reason you think I am involved in a cover up or making excuses. If you took off your tin foil hat, you might understand me better. BTW, I was an Economics major, not an English major.

            All relevant issues are not being covered by you. YOU SAID: “I find it rather ironic you accuse me of an misrepresentation when you obviously just got caught!” I asked where you stood on global warming, in the news this week, questionable data being used, and YOU SAID “………………………………………………………..”

            “When was the last time a Senate Majority Leader in Georgia endorsed a candidate in a primary over a sitting incumbent in the same party?” As far as I know, never. BTW, Rogers has endorsed Cagle, Graves, Kemp, McGuire, Olens, Shepherd, Fred Thompson for President and more. Tommie Williams endorses Jeff Chapman, Kemp, Olens, and I am sure there are others.

            I have the guts to answer questions and you don’t. Or would you rather go back to not answering how much of your 17% were Democrats? My guess is at least three quarters, but it’s only a guess.

            Until you answer either one of my questions, I am done discussing this with you. I am going to borrow your web page http://www.Idisagreewitheverythingyouareabouttosay.com . Anything you have to say to me without answering either of my two questions is ignored and refuted. (EVERYONE CHEERS!)

            My advice, go take a reading comprehensions skills test and quit assuming the world revolves around you.

  12. John Konop says:

    GOPGoergia

    Once again as a loyal PARTY member you attack me personally rather than deal with the issues and solutions I have suggested. You obviously care more about protecting a PARTY office holder ie Kathy Cox than debating the educational issues with face. It is joke by anyone who knows me that I would care about someone kissing my ring. What I care about is solutions to help our future generations. I realize as a PARTY insider this is hard for you to understand!

    • John Konop says:

      GOPGeorgia

      One more thing what bothers me most about Party leaders like you that cover up failure of PARTY office holders is the first stage of fixing a problem is identifying and admitting you have one. It is scary you would go as far as using a study ripe with corruption and administrators being arrested to help KATY COX keep promoting the FAILED NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND policy she supports!

      If you took time to talk to teachers, parents, students…..you would know must of what I am proposing is the obvious solution. The reason it was easy for me to work on solutions that must support is I took the approach of a parent and neighbor not a political hack playing cover up for any PARTY!

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