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	<title>Comments on: Nathan Deal becomes Ron Stephens&#8217; BFFL</title>
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		<title>By: GOPGeorgia</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/11/19/nathan-deal-becomes-ron-stephens-bffl/comment-page-1/#comment-198626</link>
		<dc:creator>GOPGeorgia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A message from Nathan Deal 
 
I want to make clear my position regarding tax increases. I do not support raising taxes on any Georgia taxpayer, period. I have voted against every tax increase proposal in Congress and have been awarded an &#039;A&#039; rating by the National Taxpayers Union.
Recently, I was asked, hypothetically, about a bill to increase tobacco taxes and if I would sign it as governor.
As Governor, before I veto or sign into law legislation the General Assembly has passed, I will approach the decision in a diligent and attentive manner. As governor, I will not submit a budget to the General Assembly that raises taxes on the citizens of Georgia.
Additionally on tobacco taxes, I have voted eight times in the past three years against increases in tobacco taxes. I have a proven conservative record of opposing tax increases.
 
Let me be absolutely clear on the issue of raising taxes: I have a voting record that demonstrates my position in opposing tax increases.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A message from Nathan Deal </p>
<p>I want to make clear my position regarding tax increases. I do not support raising taxes on any Georgia taxpayer, period. I have voted against every tax increase proposal in Congress and have been awarded an &#8216;A&#8217; rating by the National Taxpayers Union.<br />
Recently, I was asked, hypothetically, about a bill to increase tobacco taxes and if I would sign it as governor.<br />
As Governor, before I veto or sign into law legislation the General Assembly has passed, I will approach the decision in a diligent and attentive manner. As governor, I will not submit a budget to the General Assembly that raises taxes on the citizens of Georgia.<br />
Additionally on tobacco taxes, I have voted eight times in the past three years against increases in tobacco taxes. I have a proven conservative record of opposing tax increases.</p>
<p>Let me be absolutely clear on the issue of raising taxes: I have a voting record that demonstrates my position in opposing tax increases.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: macho</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/11/19/nathan-deal-becomes-ron-stephens-bffl/comment-page-1/#comment-198584</link>
		<dc:creator>macho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would be funny to reduce taxes to increase smoking revenue.  Anybody who doesn&#039;t believe in supply side economics just needs to stand outside of Wal-Mart the midnight before Black Friday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would be funny to reduce taxes to increase smoking revenue.  Anybody who doesn&#8217;t believe in supply side economics just needs to stand outside of Wal-Mart the midnight before Black Friday.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Bearse</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/11/19/nathan-deal-becomes-ron-stephens-bffl/comment-page-1/#comment-198582</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Bearse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where are you supply siders?  Why not decrease taxes and simulate sales and expand sales thereby increase total tax revenue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where are you supply siders?  Why not decrease taxes and simulate sales and expand sales thereby increase total tax revenue?</p>
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		<title>By: Game Fan</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/11/19/nathan-deal-becomes-ron-stephens-bffl/comment-page-1/#comment-198359</link>
		<dc:creator>Game Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;risk factors&quot; is about as far away from a scientific analysis of cause and effect or the proper use of statistics as you could possibly get.   For example,  a mammogram could be considered a risk factor for breast cancer because a much higher percentage of people diagnosed with breast cancer have also had mammograms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;risk factors&#8221; is about as far away from a scientific analysis of cause and effect or the proper use of statistics as you could possibly get.   For example,  a mammogram could be considered a risk factor for breast cancer because a much higher percentage of people diagnosed with breast cancer have also had mammograms.</p>
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		<title>By: Silent Outrage</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/11/19/nathan-deal-becomes-ron-stephens-bffl/comment-page-1/#comment-198347</link>
		<dc:creator>Silent Outrage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s time for someone to start getting nails ready to hammer into the casket for the Deal campaign, politically speaking so to say...

He very well may raise a lot of money and appear viable to some of the less informed voters in the Republican Party, but if he is the nominee in a general election matchup - Republicans have just handed the keys to the Governor&#039;s mansion to the Democrats and who knows what else down ballot. 

I mean, can you really have someone at the top of the ticket who a) had an inside deal with the State of Georgia over 18 years that made them a millionaire who abused their office to protect the deal b) is ranked as one of Washington DC&#039;s 15 most corrupt Members of Congress c) made racially insensitive remarks d) used those insensitive remarks to raise money and now e) wants to raise taxes by $400 million in the worse economy in a generation...

Just wait, with Nathan Deal on the ballot, all kinds of Republicans are going to have to defend this kind of ethical corruption and it&#039;s going to take the party down with it in Georgia.  

Deal. Real. Over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s time for someone to start getting nails ready to hammer into the casket for the Deal campaign, politically speaking so to say&#8230;</p>
<p>He very well may raise a lot of money and appear viable to some of the less informed voters in the Republican Party, but if he is the nominee in a general election matchup &#8211; Republicans have just handed the keys to the Governor&#8217;s mansion to the Democrats and who knows what else down ballot. </p>
<p>I mean, can you really have someone at the top of the ticket who a) had an inside deal with the State of Georgia over 18 years that made them a millionaire who abused their office to protect the deal b) is ranked as one of Washington DC&#8217;s 15 most corrupt Members of Congress c) made racially insensitive remarks d) used those insensitive remarks to raise money and now e) wants to raise taxes by $400 million in the worse economy in a generation&#8230;</p>
<p>Just wait, with Nathan Deal on the ballot, all kinds of Republicans are going to have to defend this kind of ethical corruption and it&#8217;s going to take the party down with it in Georgia.  </p>
<p>Deal. Real. Over.</p>
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		<title>By: Lifetime367</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lifetime367</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;thought of raising &#039;our&#039; taxes&quot;

I don&#039;t smoke so an increase in tobacco taxes is not an increase in my taxes.  It&#039;s a user fee - like a toll road.  They don&#039;t have to pay the user fee unless they use the product.  It makes all kind of sense to me, especially since our tobacco taxes are some of the lowest in the nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;thought of raising &#8216;our&#8217; taxes&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t smoke so an increase in tobacco taxes is not an increase in my taxes.  It&#8217;s a user fee &#8211; like a toll road.  They don&#8217;t have to pay the user fee unless they use the product.  It makes all kind of sense to me, especially since our tobacco taxes are some of the lowest in the nation.</p>
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		<title>By: Lifetime367</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lifetime367</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah... it&#039;s a great idea to count on the tobacco industry to educate the public... they have such a longstanding record of integrity</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah&#8230; it&#8217;s a great idea to count on the tobacco industry to educate the public&#8230; they have such a longstanding record of integrity</p>
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		<title>By: Lifetime367</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/11/19/nathan-deal-becomes-ron-stephens-bffl/comment-page-1/#comment-198338</link>
		<dc:creator>Lifetime367</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Statistics from reliable sources consistently make it clear that an increase in tobacco taxes leads to a decline in smoking rates, especially in minors.  Besides the obvious health benefits of such a development, it also saves taxpayers millions of dollars as it leads to a decrease in smoking related illnesses.  And there&#039;s still a direct revenue benefit.  The Georgia OPB estimated that the tobacco tax increase proposed by Ron Stephens would result in $449 million a year in new revenue.  

And by the way,... last time I checked smoking is a choice making this a voluntary tax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Statistics from reliable sources consistently make it clear that an increase in tobacco taxes leads to a decline in smoking rates, especially in minors.  Besides the obvious health benefits of such a development, it also saves taxpayers millions of dollars as it leads to a decrease in smoking related illnesses.  And there&#8217;s still a direct revenue benefit.  The Georgia OPB estimated that the tobacco tax increase proposed by Ron Stephens would result in $449 million a year in new revenue.  </p>
<p>And by the way,&#8230; last time I checked smoking is a choice making this a voluntary tax.</p>
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		<title>By: Icarus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Icarus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would be easier to do if these elected officials didn&#039;t have verbal contracts with no record of work product.

Has Tim Bearden had enough time yet where he has finally composed answers to questions about his business with City of Carrollton and is willing to discuss/defend?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would be easier to do if these elected officials didn&#8217;t have verbal contracts with no record of work product.</p>
<p>Has Tim Bearden had enough time yet where he has finally composed answers to questions about his business with City of Carrollton and is willing to discuss/defend?</p>
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		<title>By: macho</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/11/19/nathan-deal-becomes-ron-stephens-bffl/comment-page-1/#comment-198322</link>
		<dc:creator>macho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since we are talking about &quot;sin&quot; taxes, maybe there should be a tax on elected officials who do business with the government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since we are talking about &#8220;sin&#8221; taxes, maybe there should be a tax on elected officials who do business with the government.</p>
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		<title>By: macho</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/11/19/nathan-deal-becomes-ron-stephens-bffl/comment-page-1/#comment-198320</link>
		<dc:creator>macho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My guess is, smokers as a whole, probably vote less than the overall population.  That demographic just doesn&#039;t seem very thoughtful to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My guess is, smokers as a whole, probably vote less than the overall population.  That demographic just doesn&#8217;t seem very thoughtful to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Technocrat</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/11/19/nathan-deal-becomes-ron-stephens-bffl/comment-page-1/#comment-198313</link>
		<dc:creator>Technocrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I lived in Puerto Rico in 80&#039;s and early 90&#039;s there was a 19.6% tax on everything brought on to island for sale. Every external US mail, UPS, Fedex package, container load, etc  required you to pay tax before delivery based on bill of lading [packing slip]. 
You got a delivery notification, then took it to local Patente office paid tax got a 3 copy receipt then took it to delivery company and picked up your package. In the country you stuck receipt in door and the driver left the package maybe if it wasn&#039;t valuable.

States have ways to deal with no sales tax from INET.

Read your State Income tax documents where your are required to pay sales tax on items from out of state. Just not enforced against individuals, YET!

Doctors would fly to Miami and bring back $25,000 worth of prescription drugs every few weeks saving $5,000.
PR eventually lowered the rate to 6-9% depending so smuggling was greatly reduced.

As some have pointed out. Tax rates must be optimized for revenue collected. Not to high to make criminals out of the average guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I lived in Puerto Rico in 80&#8242;s and early 90&#8242;s there was a 19.6% tax on everything brought on to island for sale. Every external US mail, UPS, Fedex package, container load, etc  required you to pay tax before delivery based on bill of lading [packing slip].<br />
You got a delivery notification, then took it to local Patente office paid tax got a 3 copy receipt then took it to delivery company and picked up your package. In the country you stuck receipt in door and the driver left the package maybe if it wasn&#8217;t valuable.</p>
<p>States have ways to deal with no sales tax from INET.</p>
<p>Read your State Income tax documents where your are required to pay sales tax on items from out of state. Just not enforced against individuals, YET!</p>
<p>Doctors would fly to Miami and bring back $25,000 worth of prescription drugs every few weeks saving $5,000.<br />
PR eventually lowered the rate to 6-9% depending so smuggling was greatly reduced.</p>
<p>As some have pointed out. Tax rates must be optimized for revenue collected. Not to high to make criminals out of the average guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Pye</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/11/19/nathan-deal-becomes-ron-stephens-bffl/comment-page-1/#comment-198298</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Pye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/24208.html</description>
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		<title>By: Game Fan</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/11/19/nathan-deal-becomes-ron-stephens-bffl/comment-page-1/#comment-198292</link>
		<dc:creator>Game Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of my previous comments never made it through the filter apparently, probably because the link was more of an ad.  Anyhoo, I&#039;ve just discovered that you can buy cigarettes TAX FREE on the internet.  That&#039;s what I call free trade!  Other terms to consider: The Laffer curve and, as a smoker,  the &quot;straw that broke the camel&#039;s back&quot;.  HAHA! YEAH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my previous comments never made it through the filter apparently, probably because the link was more of an ad.  Anyhoo, I&#8217;ve just discovered that you can buy cigarettes TAX FREE on the internet.  That&#8217;s what I call free trade!  Other terms to consider: The Laffer curve and, as a smoker,  the &#8220;straw that broke the camel&#8217;s back&#8221;.  HAHA! YEAH.</p>
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		<title>By: Game Fan</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/11/19/nathan-deal-becomes-ron-stephens-bffl/comment-page-1/#comment-198291</link>
		<dc:creator>Game Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These phonies with the sin taxes.   If they were for real they&#039;d already be raising a stink with how revenues are already used.  If smoking is such a burden, then let&#039;s look at the revenues from the existing taxes and apply it directly to health-related issues from smoking.   But, no, it&#039;s much easier to pit smokers against non-smokers.  Forget the fact that these JACKASSES never heard of the concept of a &quot;lock box&quot; because &quot;funds can be used for&quot; is just the talking point to get the damned thing passed.   Same for Social Security, the gas tax, liquer tax, or whatever.   Ass hats and scumbags in coat-and-tie.  I&#039;m disgusted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These phonies with the sin taxes.   If they were for real they&#8217;d already be raising a stink with how revenues are already used.  If smoking is such a burden, then let&#8217;s look at the revenues from the existing taxes and apply it directly to health-related issues from smoking.   But, no, it&#8217;s much easier to pit smokers against non-smokers.  Forget the fact that these JACKASSES never heard of the concept of a &#8220;lock box&#8221; because &#8220;funds can be used for&#8221; is just the talking point to get the damned thing passed.   Same for Social Security, the gas tax, liquer tax, or whatever.   Ass hats and scumbags in coat-and-tie.  I&#8217;m disgusted.</p>
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		<title>By: Game Fan</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/11/19/nathan-deal-becomes-ron-stephens-bffl/comment-page-1/#comment-198290</link>
		<dc:creator>Game Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, just remember, if Tobacco is a gateway drug then your higher incidence of cancers, and other health issues with all types of drug users and, people with &quot;high risk occupations&quot; will definitely have a much higher percentage of smokers.   In other words,  a meth head is probably also a tobacco user.  We&#039;re talking about a small percentage of tobacco users who use other drugs which pegs the charts on the bad health o meter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, just remember, if Tobacco is a gateway drug then your higher incidence of cancers, and other health issues with all types of drug users and, people with &#8220;high risk occupations&#8221; will definitely have a much higher percentage of smokers.   In other words,  a meth head is probably also a tobacco user.  We&#8217;re talking about a small percentage of tobacco users who use other drugs which pegs the charts on the bad health o meter.</p>
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		<title>By: Part-Time Atlanta</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/11/19/nathan-deal-becomes-ron-stephens-bffl/comment-page-1/#comment-198255</link>
		<dc:creator>Part-Time Atlanta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who?</p>
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		<title>By: macho</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/11/19/nathan-deal-becomes-ron-stephens-bffl/comment-page-1/#comment-198253</link>
		<dc:creator>macho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s been interesting to see some great points made and see that others don&#039;t have the intellectual capacity to move beyond demagoguing and straw man arguments.

Nobody is saying that people dying early is a good thing, posters are just pointing out the possible fallacies in the &quot;smoking costs society money argument.&quot;

Obviously, at some point demand would go down, like a $100 a pack tax.  I guess the black market would come into play, because the tax would have the same effect as prohibition.  I&#039;ve heard there is a large black market for cigarettes in Canada.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been interesting to see some great points made and see that others don&#8217;t have the intellectual capacity to move beyond demagoguing and straw man arguments.</p>
<p>Nobody is saying that people dying early is a good thing, posters are just pointing out the possible fallacies in the &#8220;smoking costs society money argument.&#8221;</p>
<p>Obviously, at some point demand would go down, like a $100 a pack tax.  I guess the black market would come into play, because the tax would have the same effect as prohibition.  I&#8217;ve heard there is a large black market for cigarettes in Canada.</p>
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		<title>By: benevolus</title>
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		<dc:creator>benevolus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smoking =  morality?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smoking =  morality?</p>
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		<title>By: Hank Burnham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hank Burnham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Foolish on Deal&#039;s part. I could not support him now and at one point was strongly considering him. I think he just lost quite a few primary votes on this and I doubt gained many from it.  Just a reminder that there are quite a few Republicans out there that don&#039;t even shudder at the thought of raising our taxes. Nathan Deal appears to be one of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Foolish on Deal&#8217;s part. I could not support him now and at one point was strongly considering him. I think he just lost quite a few primary votes on this and I doubt gained many from it.  Just a reminder that there are quite a few Republicans out there that don&#8217;t even shudder at the thought of raising our taxes. Nathan Deal appears to be one of them.</p>
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