Kingston to Host Web-a-Thon on Pelosi Health Care Plan

Received from Congressman Jack Kingston:

Please join in tomorrow from 1 p.m. to 1 a.m. as 50 members of Congress and special guests have a 12-hour web-a-thon exposing the truths of the Pelosi Plan.

Jack Kingston, whose staff is producing the show in conjunction with the RNC, will be hosting the 2 p.m., 4 p.m. and 7 p.m. hours.

To join in, visit http://www.gop.com/12truths

Please forward this email to your friends – especially those who live in states where their members are unexcited.

For more information, contact Chris Crawford at [email protected]

67 comments

  1. John Konop says:

    Why do we pay so much more per unit than other countries? Below is some recently released international data:

    Ezra Klein/WAPO: There is a simple explanation for why American health care costs so much more than health care in any other country: because we pay so much more for each unit of care.

    …if you leave everything else the same — the volume of procedures, the days we spend in the hospital, the number of surgeries we need — but plug in the prices Canadians pay, our health-care spending falls by about 50 percent.

    http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/simple-explaination-why-us-healthcare-costs-are-so-high

  2. Soulja Boy says:

    Why do we pay so much more per unit than other countries?

    Because our level of care is about 100 times superior to any other country. You get what you pay for. Economics 101, John.

    • John Konop says:

      Just the facts!

      ……Among the other stats on how the U.S. health care system and health stacks up internationally: A 2007 Commonwealth Fund report ranked the U.S. last out of six industrialized countries in health system performance, which included measures on quality, access, efficiency, equity of care and healthy lives. “Access” and “equity” measures are affected by the lack of universal health care. On life expectancy, the U.S. ranks 50th and below France, Canada, the U.K. and the European Union average, according to the CIA World Factbook. Infant mortality is also higher in the U.S. than all of those countries and more. A 2006 report on infant mortality by the nonprofit Save the Children showed the U.S. tied for next to last among industrialized countries……

      http://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/37th-in-health-performance/

      • Game Fan says:

        factcheck.org is hardly bi-partisan. Like many other sites which claim to take a bird’s eye view of the situation, they have ties and vested interests. In this case, factcheck.org has direct links to Obama via the Annenberg Foundation.

        • ByteMe says:

          You know that’s pretty out there, right? You’re going for a lonnnnng reach. First, you want to try to claim that factcheck is biased because of funding — instead of trying to dispute the facts — and then proclaiming that FOX’s John Stossel somehow has the “facts” further down the comment chain without actually fact-checking him either.

          • Game Fan says:

            (Sigh) If you want to propose a specific fact that you agree or disagree with from any of my comments then I’ll be glad to factcheck it for you. (I’ll Google it.) But I suppose it’s better to argue against socialism from an ideological perspective. Generally, I’m more in tune with the Libertarian way of thinking rather than the central planning. And from the Populist perspective the “centralizers” would include some of the large corporations which supported Obama and are behind some of the legislation.

          • ByteMe says:

            I disagree with your comment that factcheck is biased toward Obama just because of some weird long range reach you’ve made concerning their funding. I also disagree with your later comment that Stossel has the “facts” on anything.

            That clear enough that this isn’t about what you think it’s about?

      • BuckheadConservative says:

        So dumb.

        We have higher infant mortality rates b/c of higher levels or young, unwed mothers (which have high IM rates in all countries)

        We have a shorter life expectancy b/c of higher homicide rates, and more deaths from things like car accidents (b/c we drive a lot more than any other country in the world)

        But please, don’t let economics interfere with your argument. Carry on

    • Demonbeck says:

      Because we are paying for the research and development of new drugs and technologies here in America. We have the best stuff available as a result, while those with socialized medicine benefit from us paying for everything.

      Kind of like the tax system in America

      • ByteMe says:

        Yeah, we had a challenge on this earlier and it turns out that more medical research and patents are being done by firms outside the USA than those based here. Likely has something to do with the political restrictions we placed on some research a few years back.

        But we pay more for it, no doubt.

        • Demonbeck says:

          Yes, but who is footing the bill for that research? The folks paying $100 per pill in America or the folks paying $2 per pill in France?

          Who pays for the R&D when America starts paying $2 per pill under PelosiCare?

          • Icarus says:

            We already have Viagra, Levitra, and Cialis.

            How much more R&D do we need?

            Oh sure, there’s that whole “cancer” thing we could try to research, but really. R&D is SO 1990…

          • ByteMe says:

            Who pays for the R&D when America starts paying $2 per pill under PelosiCare?

            I’m supposed to care, right? I don’t. Let them jack up the cost for the Saudis for all I care. They have money.

          • Demonbeck says:

            No John, I am saying that socialized medicine in this country is going to kill a lot of the ingenuity that makes our health care system the best in the world. Since the world relies upon us to pay for the development of new medicines, they are going to be upset when we are no longer providing them with them.

            ByteMe, they need to jack up the costs for all of the countries with socialized medicines.

          • ByteMe says:

            I don’t disagree with that, but only if we’re on the same playing field as the other countries can that happen. Right now, “free enterprise” is screwing us because no one else is playing by those rules.

          • Demonbeck says:

            Well, you can start to level the playing field by enabling Americans to reimport FDA-approved drugs made in FDA-approved labs from countries (like Canada and France) This would open the market and force the drug manufacturers to charge those countries higher prices for the same products we are paying through the nose for here.

  3. ByteMe says:

    tomorrow from 1 p.m. to 1 a.m. as 50 members of Congress and special guests have a 12-hour web-a-thon exposing the truths of the Pelosi Plan.

    You’d think that they could do this in an hour or so, yes?

    • aquaman says:

      I don’t think 12 hours is nearly enough to tell the truth about 2000 pages of BS. In fact Pelosi, Obama et al will be lying during the 12 hours of the event so the “truth” will never catch up.

        • aquaman says:

          I learn so much here. I didn’t know I had a belief “system”. Call me crazy but anytime the government (especially this government) writes 2000 pages of more “law”it can not be a good thing. As to Pelosi and Obama you’re free to love em and I’m free to not.

          • ByteMe says:

            As I asked earlier of someone else: so you’d be more comfortable with a bill that was written to the length and education level of, say, an Archie comic book?

  4. It will take a lot of time for Kinston (and many of our other GOP reps) to first convince the viewers that he isn’t part of the problem and the biggest spender of the “GA gang”, save the good senators (who are worse)… It’s called “a huge credibility” problem, which takes a lot of time to overcome.

    • LoyaltyIsMyHonor says:

      Well, that settles that.

      I’m sure if Fox News reported that the Holocaust never occured a mojority of its loyal viewers would believe that.

      And yes, the same goes for CNN and MSNBC also.

    • John Stossel doesn’t have that credibility I mentioned above. The GOP and their Socialism-lite and power consolidation approach is just a detour route to the same result.

      Competition, innovation and more choices will either bring cost down, improve care or both. Keynesian economic model combined with government managed/controlled/mandated policies and regulatory barriers work to do just the opposite… why is this so hard for people to get these days, in a country founded on a free-enterprise system? I saw an article the other day that blamed the majority of and forever coddled baby boomers… willing to give up freedom for perceived security.

      Father</strike Please, forgive don’t listen to them; for they do not know what they are doing. I don’t know why that popped into my head… seemed apt.

      • ahh… fix above and delete… please

        Father Please, forgive don’t listen to them; for they do not know what they are doing. Don’t know why that popped into my head… seemed apt.

      • ByteMe says:

        in a country founded on a free-enterprise system

        Because numerous depressions, boom-bust cycles, child labor, slavery, business abuses, and huge con jobs are also in our history and we’ve learned from those that greed has a way of getting out of hand and many businesses should never be allowed to run without regulations and oversight. Insurance turns out to be one of them.

        • Because numerous depressions, boom-bust cycles, child labor, slavery, business abuses, and huge con jobs are also in our history and we’ve learned from those that greed has a way of getting out of hand and many businesses should never be allowed to run without regulations and oversight. Insurance turns out to be one of them.

          … and somehow you’re naive enough to think government didn’t cause and partake in a lot of those and is somehow immune to all the abuses of power you mentioned. Somehow you think that once elected or hired by the government, human nature ceases. If you only give government the power to police these abuses (if fraudulent and coerced) and nothing else, that’s what they’ll do… or you can give them the power to dictate every aspect of you life, they’ll do that too…. arrrrg!

          • ByteMe says:

            And yet, it’s the worst possible form of government… except for all the others.

            You don’t have a better solution. That’s why your party is not allowed to be in charge.

          • … and you and those like you are bound and determined to make it worse…. until it matches or actually becomes even worse than the others…. and the two current Parties in power are doing nothing to stop that progression to oblivion… and that is why my party even exist.

          • ByteMe says:

            Doom!!! It’s all going to heck!!! Hello, Mr. Drain!! We’re coming to seeeeee youuuuuu!!!

            Reagan knew that you needed a better message than that to win the hearts and minds long enough to get to levers of power. Gotta give him credit for showing us that.

          • That message is Freedom, both individual and economic. It’s what made this country the greatest place on Earth and I’ll be fighting to retain it for the rest of my life.

            Here’s a link for you to follow as results come in from around the country… Libertarians are getting elected… more and more with every cycle. You are right. A good message is hard to beat… we just need to continue to increase the number of people that get to hear it.

  5. leantothemiddle says:

    This is why healthcare cost so much here:

    75% of Potential Recruits Too Fat, Too Sickly, Too Dumb to Serve
    By Noah Shachtman November 4, 2009 | 10:43 am | Categories: Military Life
    More than three-quarters of the nation’s 17- to 24-year-olds couldn’t serve in the military, even if they wanted to. They’re too fat, too sickly, too dumb, have too many kids, or have copped to using illegal drugs.

    The armed services are willing to grant waivers for some of those conditions – asthma, or a little bit of weed. But the military’s biggest concern is how big and how weak its potential recruits have become.

    “The major component of this is obesity,” Curt Gilroy, the Pentagon’s director of accessions, tells Army Times‘ William McMichael. “Kids are just not able to do push-ups… And they can’t do pull-ups. And they can’t run.”

    23 percent of 18- to 34-year-old are now obese, up from just six percent in 1987.

    Take that and combine it with the aging baby boomers and the problem is insurmountable.

    • Icarus says:

      I think you’re missing the point. When all the fat kids die of a heart attack when they’re 40, we won’t have a Medicare or Social Security problem at all.

      I say we just sit this one out for a while and the problems with those programs will solve themselves.

  6. aquaman says:

    Byte: Length and complexity does not equal good legislation or even reflect favorably on the intellectual capacity of the authors.

    On the other hand brevity……..

    The Gettysburg Address: 286 words
    The Declaration of Independence: 1,300 words

    • Holly says:

      Complexity usually leads to impeccably crafted legislation, actually, aquaman, like No Child Left Behind or TARP. Didn’t you know? 😉

      • ByteMe says:

        The Genome Project is very complex. And very useful.

        Your case fails. If you want to be governed by people with the intellectual depth of a comic book, that’s your problem. If you want to see how to regulate an entire industry in one big bill, start reading.

        • Holly says:

          I’m sorry, the Genome Project isn’t legislation. Therefore, your case fails. Apples to apples, my friend. When you find me a well crafted complex piece of legislation passed by the U.S. Congress, get back to me and we’ll debate it.

          Just because something is short and simple, it doesn’t mean the people who wrote it are incapable of thinking critically. What a bizarre assumption.

          • seenbetrdayz says:

            I wonder how long the amendment would be to even allow the U.S. Congress to handle the healthcare issue.

          • ByteMe says:

            You don’t. You’re free to leave whenever you want. Most of the rest of us absolutely know it has to happen. And will happen. And you’ll benefit from it whether you like it or not.

  7. B Balz says:

    Dems – Pay for it by taxing the highest earners and taking more from Medicare.

    GOP – Pay for it through tort reform.

    Do you see the word moron etched on my forehead, Sirs?

  8. seenbetrdayz says:

    I like the idea of taxing the highest earners, just like they did with the income tax when it first came into exis— oh, #&@%!

    This is a bad idea. Bad idea.

    • ByteMe says:

      I’m for expanding the middle class at the expense of the rich. About time we turned the tables on a bad trend that’s been 30 years in the making.

      Can you see how that’s a better message than just complaining about taxing the rich?

        • ByteMe says:

          Middle Class != tedious manual-labor manufacturing jobs.

          We still manufacture a lot of products here for domestic consumption and export. Just not as much as we used to. But that shouldn’t be our primary focus for creating middle class jobs. Education and training should be our focus. People will create great businesses if they have the tools and adequate support.

  9. Game Fan says:

    So this is supposed to help the middle class?

    Today, Ranking Member of the House Ways and Means Committee Dave Camp (R-MI) released a letter from the non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) confirming that the failure to comply with the individual mandate to buy health insurance contained in the Pelosi health care bill (H.R. 3962, as amended) could land people in jail. The JCT letter makes clear that Americans who do not maintain “acceptable health insurance coverage” and who choose not to pay the bill’s new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years.
    http://tinyurl.com/ykhk3k3

      • benevolus says:

        If we build more prisons, most of the workers will get employee provided health insurance, preventing them from getting busted for not having it. So… the very act of building the prisons makes them unnecessary!

        • seenbetrdayz says:

          I suppose we could dump the rapists and the killers back out on the street in order to make room for people who choose not to pay for insurance. Hell, let’s give it a shot and see what happens.

  10. Holly says:

    I don’t know how much y’all watched (my favorite parts of the day were Louie Gohmert asking for unanimous consent to restore John Dingell’s chairmanship and John Shadegg voting present on the Stupak amendment), but I was surprised at how the Democrats got to 220. The Democrats who cast votes 218 and 219 did so right together, I’m guessing to keep either one from being the 218th vote. I wouldn’t have wanted that distinction either.

    Given the fact that the vote was so close in the House, I will be surprised if health care reform makes it through the Senate. Stranger things have happened, I suppose.

    I also had an election epiphany, too. I already believed that the Democrats would lose between 10 and 15 seats in 2010 because it’s traditionally a correction cycle. After last night, though, I think that number will be higher.

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