Today’s Straw Poll Is Brought To You By The GOP’s 12th District Committee

Below is a “direct cut and paste of an email”. This of course means I moved everything around to make your candidate look bad and/or discount their overwhelming victory. I probably also mis-spelled a few names on purpose, and am generally shilling for “my candidate” by posting this.

I’m going out to drink. Discuss among yourselves.

12th District Committee Straw Poll
24 members voting

US Senate
Isakson: 20
Herman Cain: 1
Paul Broun: 1
Dennis Coxwell (12th GA GOP District Chair): 1

U.S. Rep 12th District
Carl Smith: 10
Jeanne Seaver: 3
Ray McKinney: 3
Karen Bogans: 0
Write-in: Max Burns: 1

Chapman: 0
Deal: 2
Handel: 9
Johnson: 7
McBerry: 1
Oxendine: 4
Scott: 1
No write-ins

Lt Gov
Cagle: 20
No write-ins

Sec. Of State
Kemp: 18
MacGinnitie: 3
No write-ins

School Super
Cox: 21
Roger Hines: 1
Richard Woods: 1
No write-ins

AG Commissioner
Black: 23
Darwin Carter: 0
No write-ins

Labor Commissioner
Melvin Everson: 18
No write-ins

Attorney General
Sam Olens: 10
Max Wood: 11
No write-ins

State Insurance Commissioner
John Fuchko: 0
Seth Harp: 2
Ralph Hudgens: 4
Harold Logsdon: 0
Stephen Northington: 2
Gerry Purcell: 13
Maria Sheffield: 0
No write-ins


      • Ali says:

        Jeanne like most who have ran and won nominations (or this seat, oh yeah, there’s a Congressman) live in the surrounding area. The 12th is historically both new and evolving area.

        Fortunately, Jeanne has been active in the 12th, including holding an elected Party position, lived in the 12th for years, and now lives right down the street.

        Politicians draw lines around between our neighborhoods, people don’t.

        Incredible. I believe in the issues. Imagine that.

        • Ali says:

          For the record – I stand as a friend to several people who have ran and both that are currently running for this seat in our district.

  1. Ali says:

    Was fun. The District Committee got a lot done today. This straw poll is our way of making all right in the Georgia blogosphere :).

  2. GOPGeorgia says:

    The Ninth met today as well….no straw poll, but we remain committed to being talked about in blogs.

  3. The GOP’s leadership continue with the eunuch approach to candidate support:

    Isakson (Mr. I was for the bailouts, before I was against them): 20

    Cagle (It’s a good thing that the best GOP candidate for my job is my BFF) : 20

    Cox (thank god the GOP bar for this job is set only as high as being smarter than a fifth grader) : 21

    Credibility, like respect is something that one must earn… over and over again. Supporting incumbent R’s just because they are incumbent R’s is…. a bad thing…. example, Bush.

    Don’t worry though, if the GOP and Dems don’t provide you with a competent small gov option, we will.

      • All I can do is lead and provide qualified “water”. The voter will have to decide if they want to “drink” Liberty or more of the same Good o’ Socialist Boy network.

        • macho says:

          You’ve had some qualified and engaging candidates in the past, but can you really say with a straight face the John Monds is “qualified” to be Governor. And when I say “qualified”, I mean more than the minimum requirements of the Constitution.

          Why not run for a slightly smaller office, actually get some sort of feel for the legislative process, then run for Governor.

          • Honestly, yes. John Monds is qualified to be Governor. As a matter of fact, there has been numerous Governors elected without any legislative experience. I somewhat disagree with your premise as well. I think a lot of our problems are due to the “professional” politician. I personally would rather have more “normal –Joe/Jane common citizen” public servants.

            As for having libertarian candidates run for lower office first, Georgia’s ballot access is a major barrier to this. Georgia has one of the worst hurdles to overcome to just get your name on the ballot… remember to look and take note of how many people run unopposed on your ballot and in all offices in the general election in 2010. In 2008, 141 of 178 state legislators ran unopposed (Do you really think this was because everyone thought they were doing such a Geat Job?). The D’s and R’s have colluded to keep out most of the non-professional politician competition. This is a huge disservice to Georgians.

          • GOPGeorgia says:


            I am growing tried about you claiming ballot access as the reason for failure. What standard to you propose that would be fair and reasonable to allow a “party” to place a name on the ballot for consideration of a vote?

            If the standard were someone filed out some paperwork with no signatures required, are you prepared for the results of that and believe them to be a good things?

            I posted most of this in a previous thread but I think it’s worth repeating.

            If you want the Libertarian party to have ballot access without earning it, that’s fine. I think the current mark is 20% of the last presidential or gubernatorial race. I believe in responsibility and rewarding effort. The Libertarian party does not have a success story in Georgia as far as electing people in partisan races. If they did the work, they could earn their way on to the ballot. They are a 5% party, statewide. Their presidential candidate was a former congressman from Georgia and they still didn’t do any better. It’s good that they got on the ballot and discussed their platform. However, did they accomplish anything other than a runoff?

            If we are going to allow complete ballot access without earning it, I will expect to see the_rent_is_too_damn_high party candidates, along with candidates from these other parties:

            America First Party, American Conservative Party, American Free Enterprise Party, American Heritage Party, American Party, American Patriot Party, American Reform Party, America’s Independent Party, Black Panther Party, Boston Tea Party, Christian Socialist Party USA, Communist Party USA, Constitution Party, Democratic Socialists of America, Freedom Road Socialist Organization (1986) (two factions using same name, Freedom Socialist Party, Green party, Independence Party of America, Independent American Party, Jefferson Republican Party, Labor Party, Libertarian National Socialist Green Party, Marijuana Party, Moderate Party, Modern Whig Party, National Socialist Movement, New American Independent Party, New Union Party, Objectivist Party, Party for Socialism and Liberation, Peace and Freedom Party, Pirate Party of the United States, Populist Party of America, Progressive Labor Party, Prohibition Party, Reform Party of the United States of America, Revolutionary Communist Party USA, Socialist Action, Socialist Alternative, Socialist Equality Party, Socialist Labor Party, Socialist Party of the United States of America, Socialist Workers Party, Nazi Party, Unity Party of America, Unity08, Workers Party USA, Workers World Party, Working Families Party, and the World Socialist Party of the United States.

            Don’t forget, we will have new parties such as the Byteme party and the John Konop party.

            Our gubernatorial debate will consist of a 30 second reply on one question from 50 candidates. These parties should earn their way onto the ballot or we can give that right away like candy on Halloween. I would look forward to hearing from the PETA party to say that they will replace live phone operators with parrots to save on overhead. Then the Pirate party will say they stole their idea! Arrr!

            Do you really think ballot access for political parties without earning it is in the best interest for the citizens of Georgia?

          • Jeff says:

            I personally would trust John Monds with the office of Governor FAR more readily than every other candidate out there – including Scott.

            John is President of his local NAACP, on his county’s planning commission – meaning he has experience in anticipating and planning for growth – and has a Finance degree from Morehouse.

            Besides, a veterinarian is “qualified” to be Governor? Really? For that matter, a lawyer is “qualified” to be Governor? After all, the Governor job is more like the boardroom than the courtroom.

          • Jeff says:


            Is having a lot of parties really such a bad thing? After all, it simply means that candidates will actually have to work to get their particular message out, or parties will have to work to get their particular message out and hold their candidates to that particular message.

            The United States of America, the Great Hope of democratic republics, is actually among the LAST of the democratic republics across the world to abandon a two-party (which is truly one party) system and adopt multi-party coalition governments where people actually have to work together to get things done.

          • macho says:

            Your losses are not due to ballot access. Yes you guys have some extra hurdles, but you if can’t get some signatures on a petition, how do you expect to win an election. There have been plenty of races, here in GA, where there were Libs on the ballot, and they get crushed.

            In other ways GA is far more favorable to independent candidates than most other states. For instance, we have runoffs, so people can vote their hearts, or make a protest vote against the current GOP nominee, without worrying about electing a Democrat. I remember a few years ago, I even voted for a Libertarian to send a message, no way would I do that without runoffs. Take away runoffs, and your numbers in the general go down even further.

            You can’t blame your losses for Governor, Senate and PSC on lack of ballot access. And don’t go quoting Monds numbers against Republican Doug Everett, because there was no Democrat in the race, so a third of the voters are going to vote for anybody but the Republican, even if they have no idea what a Libertarian is.

          • macho says:

            The last Governor I can think of that had no public service experience was Lester Maddox; hooray!

            Call me crazy, but I think Governor should have some public service experience. The only exception I can see is someone like a Guy Milner, and yes I did vote for him, who has appropriate executive experience. In my opinion, Monds has neither the public service experience nor the appropriate executive experience to be Governor. I will say that Allen Buckley probably had enough executive experience, without that public service experience, to have been qualified to run for Governor.

          • GOPGeorgia says:

            “Credibility, like respect is something that one must earn… over and over again.” Good quote DNA. now apply it to your own party and your desire to have UNEARNED access to the ballot for your party.

          • GOPGeorgia says:

            I’m getting negative votes on my post that contained this question: “What standard to you propose that would be fair and reasonable to allow a “party” to place a name on the ballot for consideration of a vote?”

            Instead of just voting negative why don’t you “man up” and give a real reasonable answer?

          • GOPGA,

            You haven’t a clue… Your claim holds no water. There are examples of special elections and non-partisan races where you don’t see 1000 candidates. Also, as for “earning” a place at the table, Georgia’s exclusionary ballot access laws are among the worst. Coupling “party status” only to the Governors and Presidential races, while also proclaiming that our candidates don’t have lower office experience is asinine. We “earned” ballot access for state wide races, that should have been sufficient for complete ballot access. Why have a lower bar for higher office… that makes no sense except if your intent is to exclude and to prevent local grass roots to get a foothold. Again 141 out of 178 un-opposed in 2008 state rep races. Either you are being disingenuous or you’re afraid to give Georgians a choice… or both.

            I’ll raise your Maddox with Ronald Reagan.

          • GOPGeorgia says:


            Between the two of us, I think I’m the only one capable of answering a straight question. This will be at least the THIRD time I have asked this question.


            Maybe you can see the question now? Are you going to answer it or cry like a baby about how unfair life is? You want something unearned. You haven’t shown that can get enough voters to vote for your candidates to get them into a run off anyway. If you had unfettered ballot access, what would you your excuse be for loosing be then?

            I may be a caveman, but I’m an honest caveman. I am quick to give a nice big cup of reality. I have more than a clue, I have facts. In California, the state with probably the most open ballot access laws had 135 candidates available to vote for on the recall vote for Gov. in 2003. Guess what? A Republican won! Guess what? A Democrat came in second! Followed by another Republican in Third! The fourth place finisher was a Green Party candidate with 2.8%. Don’t forget they also had Gary Coleman, Larry Flint (running as a Dem.) and a porn star running.

            I have provided facts and an example, and you have yet to answer the same question, twice so far. Now who is disingenuous?

          • I sorry, I thought I did answer it…. We “earned” ballot access for state wide races, that should have been sufficient for complete ballot access. If you read the letter I provided a link to, you would see that even that bar was pretty high compared to other States. Requiring more or raising the bar even higher for lower offices has only one excuse; You are afraid to compete.

            As for California, I’m not the Chair of the LP there.

            As for John Monds being Governor… it’s not that hard when you don’t want to control everyone and run every aspect of people’s lives… that gives libertarians and libertarian leaning conservatives an advantage when it comes to governance, I know, but who’s fault is that.

          • GOPGeorgia says:

            So then you are saying that the requirement should be a petition with the signatures of 1% of the voters registered statewide to be on the ballot on every ballot of every county for every office? It should not matter if there is not more than 1 person in the county who signed the petition? Or no one? Should your party be required to do this every election cycle until it gets more than 5% of the vote? Is 5% too high or too low? I’m still waiting on a more complete answer other than “I thought we earned it?” The GOP and the Dems are supposed to have to have a copy of the rules of the local party on file in every county. Shouldn’t you have to meet that same requirement? This would require you to have an organized party on a county level. Are you afraid to work to earn this right or do we have to GIVE it to your party?

            I read every word of the document you provided. Some of it is fact and some of it is conjecture. For the record, my personal opinion, not the opinion of the GOP but my personal opinion, is that your party is not competition until you can show that you can actually win something under your parties name. Until then, you are just the reason the tax payers have to pay for a run off. There is no reason I should be afraid of 5% of the vote, other than it causing a run off. 50% +1 will get my attention.

            You said ballot access would not lead to 50 candidates running for Governor. I just proved that when you get what I think you are asking for, it lead to 135 candidates for Governor in another state.

            “As for John Monds being Governor… it’s not that hard when you don’t want to control everyone and run every aspect of people’s lives… that gives libertarians and libertarian leaning conservatives an advantage when it comes to governance, I know, but who’s fault is that.” Sounds like flowery hot air with some spin kicked in to me.

        • Jeff says:

          I would LOVE to have NOTA and automatic runoffs in ALL elections. I honestly think it would make for better candidates and more open and honest discussion of the issues.

  4. Game Fan says:

    I’d jump aboard (for a while anyways) with a decent Paleo-libertarian here or there. And IMHO when Libertarians get with the corporatists that’s a sucker’s game anyway. And you may remember I did vote for Tommy Irvin (against agribusiness and pro-small farmer) and also was looking at this guy Jack Cashin too.

    • And IMHO when Libertarians get with the corporatists that’s a sucker’s game anyway.


      This is what we rail against… This is the main problem with healthcare and any other industry where competition has been curbed due to BIG government/BIG business collusion. Protectionist policies always results in less competition, higher cost and inefficiencies… sort of similar to the ballot access issue and the quality of representation. So, I don’t know of any real “libertarians getting with corporatist”… that in itself should tip you off, that they’re not what they say they are. Just because Sean Hannity now says he’s a libertarian (or EE now doing a 180) , doesn’t mean he really is…. unless this is what you’re talking about, I don’t know what you are referring to.

  5. Bill Greene says:

    There were 60 State House seats and 17 State Senate seats that went unchallenged by Republicans last election. They CAN be successfully challenged by low-budget GOP candidates who are willing to do some work. And if you’re an LP member, just declare as a Republican and you can focus on the general election for the next year instead of ballot access.

    If you’re a liberty-minded small-government conservative, and you’re interested in running in one of these districts, email me at [email protected].

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