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	<title>Comments on: Touch screen voting machines A-OK says SCOGA</title>
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		<title>By: seenbetrdayz</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/09/28/touch-screen-voting-maching-a-ok-says-scoga/comment-page-1/#comment-192247</link>
		<dc:creator>seenbetrdayz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 10:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a good point. It doesn&#039;t matter how fool-proof you make the machinces, if you aren&#039;t willing to take fraud seriously and punish it to the extent of the law, then it seems rather moot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a good point. It doesn&#8217;t matter how fool-proof you make the machinces, if you aren&#8217;t willing to take fraud seriously and punish it to the extent of the law, then it seems rather moot.</p>
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		<title>By: Game Fan</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/09/28/touch-screen-voting-maching-a-ok-says-scoga/comment-page-1/#comment-192084</link>
		<dc:creator>Game Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know anything about the group, I just Googled it.  But a lot of these folks tend to ignore one of the prime ingredients, which is you have to arrest and convict the occasional scam artist or vote stealer, which occur at many different levels.   If someone can identify a 100% clean election I&#039;d like to know about it.  I don&#039;t think one has ever existed.   So where&#039;s the outrage and where&#039;s the orange jumpsuits?  Heck, they even have museums with old wooden ballot boxes containing hidden trap doors, ect...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know anything about the group, I just Googled it.  But a lot of these folks tend to ignore one of the prime ingredients, which is you have to arrest and convict the occasional scam artist or vote stealer, which occur at many different levels.   If someone can identify a 100% clean election I&#8217;d like to know about it.  I don&#8217;t think one has ever existed.   So where&#8217;s the outrage and where&#8217;s the orange jumpsuits?  Heck, they even have museums with old wooden ballot boxes containing hidden trap doors, ect&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Day</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/09/28/touch-screen-voting-maching-a-ok-says-scoga/comment-page-1/#comment-192013</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 03:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was talking with my attorney about this. She is a former judge, and we both seriously considered working with Walker on this case. We both agreed (and still do) that it was critical to put in the argument that there is a constitutional right to vote (one of the un-inumerated rights). We would have DARED the court to rule no one has a constitutional right to an accurate vote, but rather voting is more a privilege like driving on the public roads.

Walker never listens LOL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was talking with my attorney about this. She is a former judge, and we both seriously considered working with Walker on this case. We both agreed (and still do) that it was critical to put in the argument that there is a constitutional right to vote (one of the un-inumerated rights). We would have DARED the court to rule no one has a constitutional right to an accurate vote, but rather voting is more a privilege like driving on the public roads.</p>
<p>Walker never listens LOL.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Deal</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/09/28/touch-screen-voting-maching-a-ok-says-scoga/comment-page-1/#comment-191916</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Deal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They also have this open letter:

http://www.velvetrevolution.us/Campaigns/PaperBallots/

I agree with most of what they said.  Some points are dubious, however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They also have this open letter:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.velvetrevolution.us/Campaigns/PaperBallots/" rel="nofollow">http://www.velvetrevolution.us/Campaigns/PaperBallots/</a></p>
<p>I agree with most of what they said.  Some points are dubious, however.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Deal</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/09/28/touch-screen-voting-maching-a-ok-says-scoga/comment-page-1/#comment-191915</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Deal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

If knowing the algorithm breaks the security, it is not secure.  Read any literature on security.  Look up the concept of Security Through Obscurity.  It does not and never will work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>If knowing the algorithm breaks the security, it is not secure.  Read any literature on security.  Look up the concept of Security Through Obscurity.  It does not and never will work.</p>
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		<title>By: Game Fan</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/09/28/touch-screen-voting-maching-a-ok-says-scoga/comment-page-1/#comment-191906</link>
		<dc:creator>Game Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an 8 part series on the subject.

http://www.velvetrevolution.us - Cyber Security expert Stephen Spoonamore discusses electronic voting vulnerabilities. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyByZx5GEaw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an 8 part series on the subject.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.velvetrevolution.us" rel="nofollow">http://www.velvetrevolution.us</a> &#8211; Cyber Security expert Stephen Spoonamore discusses electronic voting vulnerabilities.<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyByZx5GEaw" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyByZx5GEaw</a></p>
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		<title>By: Game Fan</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/09/28/touch-screen-voting-maching-a-ok-says-scoga/comment-page-1/#comment-191902</link>
		<dc:creator>Game Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert Simms, Georgia&#039;s Sec. of State&#039;s Legislative Liaison and former lobbyist with Massey &amp; Bowers (Diebold Election Systems lobbying firm in Georgia), continues the spin against election reform, transparency and accountability. Simms describes the status of election reform bill H.R. 811 &quot;The Voter Confidence and Increased Accessibility Act&quot; from the biased perspective that the voting machine industry has successfully inculcated in many election officials nationwide.

H.R. 811 mandates creating a paper ballot for every vote cast, allowing for meaningful recounts and audits of questionable election results. Georgia&#039;s current voting system was deliberately designed to create no physical evidence, no paper ballots to document a voter&#039;s intent. The big lie promulgated by opponents of fair elections is that H.R. 811 requires continued use of touch-screen voting machines, where the bill actually allows paper ballots to be used with optical scan systems. No official from Georgia&#039;s Secretary of State office has ever acknowledged this fact since the bill&#039;s introduction.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLFetoTO3zk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Simms, Georgia&#8217;s Sec. of State&#8217;s Legislative Liaison and former lobbyist with Massey &amp; Bowers (Diebold Election Systems lobbying firm in Georgia), continues the spin against election reform, transparency and accountability. Simms describes the status of election reform bill H.R. 811 &#8220;The Voter Confidence and Increased Accessibility Act&#8221; from the biased perspective that the voting machine industry has successfully inculcated in many election officials nationwide.</p>
<p>H.R. 811 mandates creating a paper ballot for every vote cast, allowing for meaningful recounts and audits of questionable election results. Georgia&#8217;s current voting system was deliberately designed to create no physical evidence, no paper ballots to document a voter&#8217;s intent. The big lie promulgated by opponents of fair elections is that H.R. 811 requires continued use of touch-screen voting machines, where the bill actually allows paper ballots to be used with optical scan systems. No official from Georgia&#8217;s Secretary of State office has ever acknowledged this fact since the bill&#8217;s introduction.<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLFetoTO3zk" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLFetoTO3zk</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/09/28/touch-screen-voting-maching-a-ok-says-scoga/comment-page-1/#comment-191898</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug,

Actually, my former employer is a decently large &quot;small&quot; business in the Macon area - and I&#039;m quite sure that if I gave the company names or the CEO/COO&#039;s names (father/son team there), you, Erick, and quite possibly quite a few people statewide would recognize their names - they have hosted Saxby twice that I know of, once while I worked there and once after I left.

Our testing then was designed with rigor - we tested EVERYTHING, with the express goal of finding ANY bug - actual or potential.

Furthermore, the machines do not have passwords - their algorithm IS their security.

Why do you not see that the basic tenet of security vs transparency applies here as well?

You can be EITHER completely secure OR completely transparent, but you can never be BOTH at once.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,</p>
<p>Actually, my former employer is a decently large &#8220;small&#8221; business in the Macon area &#8211; and I&#8217;m quite sure that if I gave the company names or the CEO/COO&#8217;s names (father/son team there), you, Erick, and quite possibly quite a few people statewide would recognize their names &#8211; they have hosted Saxby twice that I know of, once while I worked there and once after I left.</p>
<p>Our testing then was designed with rigor &#8211; we tested EVERYTHING, with the express goal of finding ANY bug &#8211; actual or potential.</p>
<p>Furthermore, the machines do not have passwords &#8211; their algorithm IS their security.</p>
<p>Why do you not see that the basic tenet of security vs transparency applies here as well?</p>
<p>You can be EITHER completely secure OR completely transparent, but you can never be BOTH at once.</p>
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		<title>By: Game Fan</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/09/28/touch-screen-voting-maching-a-ok-says-scoga/comment-page-1/#comment-191897</link>
		<dc:creator>Game Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This is not correct, Diebold does not own Premier Elections Systems, they were sold to ES&amp;S.&quot;

That depends on what your definition of &quot;is&quot; is.   I would generally tend to believe the accuracy of the articles as of the date the articles were written, although you are correct in that these Corporations are definitely playing the corporate shell game.  Of course one of the main reasons, many believe, is that &quot;Diebold&quot; has become a dirty word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This is not correct, Diebold does not own Premier Elections Systems, they were sold to ES&amp;S.&#8221;</p>
<p>That depends on what your definition of &#8220;is&#8221; is.   I would generally tend to believe the accuracy of the articles as of the date the articles were written, although you are correct in that these Corporations are definitely playing the corporate shell game.  Of course one of the main reasons, many believe, is that &#8220;Diebold&#8221; has become a dirty word.</p>
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		<title>By: Game Fan</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/09/28/touch-screen-voting-maching-a-ok-says-scoga/comment-page-1/#comment-191892</link>
		<dc:creator>Game Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Q: Again who sells this non-existent system?

A: I guess nobody sells a non-existent system.  If they did it would no longer be non-existent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Q: Again who sells this non-existent system?</p>
<p>A: I guess nobody sells a non-existent system.  If they did it would no longer be non-existent.</p>
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		<title>By: Game Fan</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/09/28/touch-screen-voting-maching-a-ok-says-scoga/comment-page-1/#comment-191891</link>
		<dc:creator>Game Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The former head of elections for Georgia is going to work for the company that supplied the state&#039;s $75 million electronic voting machine system.

Kathy Rogers, director of the secretary of state&#039;s elections division, resigned Nov. 30 and has accepted a job with Diebold Election Systems, manufacturer of Georgia&#039;s voting machines, according to several state officials. Rogers apparently will serve as a liaison between elections officials throughout the United States and Diebold.
http://www.verifiedvotingfoundation.org/article.php?id=6428</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The former head of elections for Georgia is going to work for the company that supplied the state&#8217;s $75 million electronic voting machine system.</p>
<p>Kathy Rogers, director of the secretary of state&#8217;s elections division, resigned Nov. 30 and has accepted a job with Diebold Election Systems, manufacturer of Georgia&#8217;s voting machines, according to several state officials. Rogers apparently will serve as a liaison between elections officials throughout the United States and Diebold.<br />
<a href="http://www.verifiedvotingfoundation.org/article.php?id=6428" rel="nofollow">http://www.verifiedvotingfoundation.org/article.php?id=6428</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rick Day</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/09/28/touch-screen-voting-maching-a-ok-says-scoga/comment-page-1/#comment-191886</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is his lips moving?


Yup, his lips are moving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is his lips moving?</p>
<p>Yup, his lips are moving.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Perkins</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/09/28/touch-screen-voting-maching-a-ok-says-scoga/comment-page-1/#comment-191883</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Perkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys, those Diebold election machines are basically Windows terminals running a Microsoft Access app.  SERIOUSLY.  If you feel satisfied with their systems integrity, the I have a check from the Finance Minister of Nigeria for you.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/voting_machines.png

Paper printouts (with random checks against the electronic counterpart) are an an absolute no-brainer.  To argue against this you would have to be technologically illiterate... or just happy with recent Georgia election results and assuming that any corruption is working in your favor.  I think it&#039;s very its very telling that every politician anywhere near the SoS race promises to impose a paper trail, and then once elected promptly drops the campaign promise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, those Diebold election machines are basically Windows terminals running a Microsoft Access app.  SERIOUSLY.  If you feel satisfied with their systems integrity, the I have a check from the Finance Minister of Nigeria for you.</p>
<p><a href="http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/voting_machines.png" rel="nofollow">http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/voting_machines.png</a></p>
<p>Paper printouts (with random checks against the electronic counterpart) are an an absolute no-brainer.  To argue against this you would have to be technologically illiterate&#8230; or just happy with recent Georgia election results and assuming that any corruption is working in your favor.  I think it&#8217;s very its very telling that every politician anywhere near the SoS race promises to impose a paper trail, and then once elected promptly drops the campaign promise.</p>
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		<title>By: ByteMe</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/09/28/touch-screen-voting-maching-a-ok-says-scoga/comment-page-1/#comment-191881</link>
		<dc:creator>ByteMe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you know, I&#039;m not an Ox supporter at all, but this posting isn&#039;t fair either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you know, I&#8217;m not an Ox supporter at all, but this posting isn&#8217;t fair either.</p>
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		<title>By: Silent Outrage</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/09/28/touch-screen-voting-maching-a-ok-says-scoga/comment-page-1/#comment-191872</link>
		<dc:creator>Silent Outrage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The current system of voting is efficient, thorough, and fair.  What Oxendine and others advocate is a system similar to what they had in Florida or better yet what they had in Minnesota... 

Honestly, do we need hanging chads in Georgia?  

Thank Goodness that the Supreme Court upheld our system of voting today or who knows what would happen...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The current system of voting is efficient, thorough, and fair.  What Oxendine and others advocate is a system similar to what they had in Florida or better yet what they had in Minnesota&#8230; </p>
<p>Honestly, do we need hanging chads in Georgia?  </p>
<p>Thank Goodness that the Supreme Court upheld our system of voting today or who knows what would happen&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Deal</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/09/28/touch-screen-voting-maching-a-ok-says-scoga/comment-page-1/#comment-191869</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Deal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They also give a paper receipt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They also give a paper receipt.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Deal</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/09/28/touch-screen-voting-maching-a-ok-says-scoga/comment-page-1/#comment-191868</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Deal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

Your previous employer is likely out of business by now if that was their testing method.  You do not test software by having 4 people doing random things to it in a coffee shop with the COO.   You test software with test plans that cover all the code and test both expected and unexpected results. 

It further demonstrates that you do not know the slightest idea about what you are spouting off about as you should know that a password is not an algorithm, it is data.  

Cyber security is an extremely complicated discipline that is well above my and clearly well above your skillset.   Faking online is difficult because there are a large number of people who are tech savvy enough to catch you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>Your previous employer is likely out of business by now if that was their testing method.  You do not test software by having 4 people doing random things to it in a coffee shop with the COO.   You test software with test plans that cover all the code and test both expected and unexpected results. </p>
<p>It further demonstrates that you do not know the slightest idea about what you are spouting off about as you should know that a password is not an algorithm, it is data.  </p>
<p>Cyber security is an extremely complicated discipline that is well above my and clearly well above your skillset.   Faking online is difficult because there are a large number of people who are tech savvy enough to catch you.</p>
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		<title>By: kcordell</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/09/28/touch-screen-voting-maching-a-ok-says-scoga/comment-page-1/#comment-191864</link>
		<dc:creator>kcordell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you really want a credible voting system in thhis computer age let the &quot;Lottery&quot; people set it up. They don&#039;t seem to have any problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you really want a credible voting system in thhis computer age let the &#8220;Lottery&#8221; people set it up. They don&#8217;t seem to have any problems.</p>
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		<title>By: ByteMe</title>
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		<dc:creator>ByteMe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A stopped clock is correct &lt;i&gt;at least&lt;/i&gt; twice a day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A stopped clock is correct <i>at least</i> twice a day.</p>
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		<title>By: NonPartisanGA</title>
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		<dc:creator>NonPartisanGA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 00:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not correct, Diebold does not own Premier Elections Systems, they were sold to ES&amp;S.

Karen Handel has only one vote on the State Election Board. 

Where do you propose Georgia finds the $50-60 million to replace the system with a yet to be developed federally certified paper verifiable system.  

Again who sells this non-existent system?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not correct, Diebold does not own Premier Elections Systems, they were sold to ES&amp;S.</p>
<p>Karen Handel has only one vote on the State Election Board. </p>
<p>Where do you propose Georgia finds the $50-60 million to replace the system with a yet to be developed federally certified paper verifiable system.  </p>
<p>Again who sells this non-existent system?</p>
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