The truth is people like you on both sides feel more comfortable arguing ideology than dealing with the reality of the situation. You guys always avoid the real world and go off on tangents.

In the real world if someone does not have insurance for their heath and family do you understand like car insurance you are taking away my rights since I am forced to help pay the bill?

And the reality of the situation is you lcan let them die or get sicker and also possible spread disease that could kill all of us or treat them. Once you understand the reality the real question is how we pay for this.

In my opinion the person or family using the service should in most cases pay for it. And the reality is to accomplish this people who are working must pay. Also not all people can afford a “Cadillac” type plan.

It would be great if you can pick any doctor you wanted over a nurse treating someone for stuff like cold, flue……but the REALITY is most cannot afford it! Your plan is based on utopia of charities covering all shortage and people picking any plan or doctor they want with not enough money to pay for it.

I realize like when I warned people years ago about the lending crisis what I am saying is not popular. And many times the truth is tough medicine. But the faster you deal with a sickness the quicker you get better.

I do wish you luck in finding a job!

Years ago I warned people about the out of control leverage guaranteed by the government. And many called me “chicken little” even on this blog. Yet your job was based on people taking on leverage they could not afford backed by the government. And the most toxic part was people taking a jumbo home loans over 400K and that was not poor people. And many of you on both sides supported and voted for this out of short term personal interest.

With that said the people buying the product also have personal responsibility. At the end of the day like the healthcare debate many of want something you cannot afford.

Take a look at the 14 planks of the Konop Manifesto above. Fourteen “WE needs” and “We musts”- a statist’s dream. Socializing losses and privatizing gains is great business if you can hoodwink the electorate, eh? Gotta love #11…..the catch-all “I told you so disclaimer” when the inevitability explosion of this Marxist/eugenics claptrap takes place. Not to worry, this charlatan will be ready with planks 15-28 then…..

He’s quick with the snarky comments about idealogical chants and his “real world” – meant to divert folks from thinking for themselves, and back to the plantation of the status quo he’s helped create? But……..

………not a word about the doctor patient relationship, nothing about free enterprise, tax credits, free choice, and sound money….

Nothing about the Hippocratic oath, churches & charity, free association, nor the mountain of evidence proving that the cost of “health care” has exploded precisely because of the massive unconstitutional government involvement explosion during the last half century.

And like the pathetic dupes and operatives who were taught to scream “McCarthyism!” whenever the going got tough and they needed to silence the free exchange of ideas an opinions, the gentleman can only attack the truth by claiming it will be responsible for unleashing a “disease that kills all of us”.

Only problem for Johnny boy is the electorate is no longer in the slumber he tries to maintain so it is easy to pick their pockets while he poses as a “reformer”.

Abouthadit was right – the Kollectivist has nothing to say….but the more he says it, the better GAPeach65 looks.

Anyway, I’ve been working for more than two decades now, and I’m pretty sure I’ve seen more people lose jobs for reasons other than “job performance” than for it. Do you have some illusion that “the housing market” is looking out for you?

But that’s not the part I was avoiding. It’s the “intrusive government intervention” part. So quick to blame the government, so ready to overlook corporate responsibility. Whatever.

Good luck getting a job. I hear Georgia PIRG is hiring.

And benevolus: “I was tempted to inquire about the circumstances around the job loss, but based on the rest of the post I had little confidence that I would get an accurate description”

It’s called the ‘housing bubble.’ You know, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac. Maybe you’ve heard of them? I’ll be more than happy to provide a few visuals for you. And just maybe if you aren’t too busy you could explain to four or five hundred of my former co-workers (press men, graphic artists, sales reps, managers, etc) across the nation of how their ‘poor job performance’ and not intrusive government intervention in the home lending business caused them to be laid off? Please tell. Most of them were long-term career employees 10-20 years of service or more.
BTW, asthma is not funny and neither are you.

Back to the real world, last month my car was hit be an uninsured motorist. He like you thought he was taking the risk. In reality I was taking the risk via my insurance rate and the $500 deductable as well as time I lost. BTW at least the uninsured motorist will face the justice system.

Like the heath insurance it is people like me who play by the rules who end subsidizing people like who are taking risk on my dime. Unless you call for not treating children and adults when they show up at the county emergency room underinsured or uninsured than you are just blowing smoke. And if they die or spread disease that kills all of us than ideological chants will be for not!

My first impulse was to respond; ” I usually blame someone else for my problems too.” But that really wasn’t clever enough to justify extending this thread. If there had only been 20 or so posts at that point, then maybe. But I would hate for people to have to scroll through 89 posts just to get to that- even though it does make the point succinctly, I think.

The next thought was to write something about how the poster doesn’t understand the concept of insurance, and how it is a very capitalist mechanism for companies to make money by assuming risk. Of course they spend much of their resources trying to minimize their risk, and there really isn’t any contrary pressure since the way it is set up now they practically have a monopoly in most states. However, that seemed pretty boring and likely to elicit the same old tired libertarian mantras with no basis in reality, so I passed on that one too.

For a moment I was tempted to inquire about the circumstances around the job loss, but based on the rest of the post I had little confidence that I would get an accurate description and therefore not learn anything, so I donated some money to MoveOn instead.

Finally, it was directed to Konop, so I though it would be appropriate for him to respond first, then I might jump in. Perhaps he also felt it wasn’t worth it.

So your assessment, at least in my case, is completely wrong. Bwahaha? What’s that, asthma? You should get that looked at. Do you have insurance?

Ever notice that a well reasoned, logical, concise and to the point argument kills threads??? The collectivists have nothing to say.

BWAHAHAHA

Kudos to you Peachy.

However if your words meant a time period in which the economic conditions are getting worse regardless of what the overall conditions are, then that is something different altogether though I’m not sure that in every election that has been true without doing a bunch of research.

Boiled down, it is a difference between position and velocity. I was thinking position where you might have intended velocity.

I think the minority who will be squeezed for this mismanagement of our nation will not turn out to be the sheep you think they are or want to believe they are. Not in this country anyway.

Speaking as someone who currently has NO insurance due to government meddling in MANDATORY real estate loans to people who could not afford them – causing the loss of my 17 year job in real estate advertising after my entire department of over 60 people – as well as hundreds in other departments – were released from their employment, I must say that your starry-eyed notion that government should be allowed to legally plunder from those who HAVE to give to those that HAVE NOT is very closely aligned with a document produced by Karl Marx and Fredric Engels in 1848. Socialism, communism, fascism and all the other isms, while on the surface appear gloriously noble, ALWAYS have an underlying financial profit and control motivation and this agenda is also embraced by politicians who run for public office – knowing that their position can be quite lucrative if the ‘right’ legislation is passed in favor to support a business of a friend or family member.
Legislation saturated with great detail regarding how ‘fees and compliance’ will be forcibly collected from anybody that the government deems to have the financial resources bears the marking of collusion and corruption as does this health care bill (HR 3200). It is a grandiose, blatant theft of those who chose to live healthy productive lives to give to those who may not practice good health and although there will always be extenuating circumstances that go beyond human control I personally would NEVER accept this type of government theft of my property to pay for somebody else without my consent. AND I can say that as somebody who was recently diagnosed with squamous cell carcinoma WITHOUT insurance that I would NEVER EVER imagine approaching a government or a politician to beg their colloboration in forcing somebody else to fund my medical financial obligations and if somehow in a very small possibility my condition metastasizes I will accept whatever comes my way because – I WILL LIVE AND DIE FREE!!!!!!!!
Anyone who feels brave enough to say to my FACE that an all encompassing government has a RIGHT to force me to pay a hefty year end tax because I choose not to comply with this rancid malicious legislation will most likely be in need of some immediate health care.

Your fear is merely a (possibly paranoid) speculation. On the other hand, national healthcare systems exist in dozens of countries across the globe and those countries are not imploding under the weight of freeloaders.