The other day I brought news from the Tip Line of a website to draft Jane Vandiver Kidd, Chair of the Democratic Party of Georgia, to run in the upcoming U.S. Senate race against fellow liberal Johnny Isakson.
Last night, though, I had a thought: if the left believes that Sarah Palin wasn’t experienced enough to be the Vice President of the United States after being mayor of a small town for twelve years and Governor of Alaska for two years, how can Jane Vandiver Kidd be seen as experienced enough to run for the U.S. Senate with only two years in the Georgia General Assembly and three terms on the Lavonia City Council? Curious.
Consider this a Thursday Open Thread.
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Kidd is given to us by the party that gave us the highly qualified King Barack the First. That should answer all questions…
And yet, he won the presidency by winning a clear majority of the voting public over with his vision and his perceived abilities. Just because you can’t recognize that doesn’t make the rest of us crazy.
Face it ByteMe…Barry won because he’s a novelty act and he knew how to manipulate the Democratic caucus system. …..And he wasn’t John McCain. If Hillary had half a brain she would have out Obama’d him and won the smaller caucus states setting her up to go against McCain. The fact that you have to justify your craziness makes you crazy…
You did hit one thing right…..”his perceived abilities”….Smoke and Mirrors…NOT Hope and Change.
Just ’cause you think so… as I said, doesn’t make the rest of us the crazy ones.
We voted for the only adult out there. The one who took us seriously. The one with the vision we wanted to see implemented.
Face it, you’re a tiny minority now. Mind if we treat you the same as you treated Democrats during 2002-2006? As traitors to the Republic for not supporting our president during a time of war.
Heheheheheh
You’re kidding aren’t you?
Believe me, just because I think you’re crazy doesn’t make you crazy. The fact you voted for a bunch of hype and no substance makes you the crazy ones.
The adult? The one who called the cop doing his job in Boston stupid? The one who bowed to a Saudi king? The one who looked absolutely giddy when he got a book from Hugo Chavez? His “vision” will make those two children in your profile pic in debt for their entire lifetime.
I agree that I was in the minority in November 2008. However, you will soon take your place back as the minority party just as soon as your party figures out that Hope and Change equals Poverty and Dissolution.
As for the traitors comment, if you felt that way, you made yourself feel guilty. Instead of treating us like traitors for daring to question the Democrats, we’re being labeled racists, Nazis with mob mentalities.
Enjoy your four years on Pennsylvania Ave. And your brief stint on Capitol Hill.
You mean the President’s War on Quality Healthcare?
I’m proud to be an anti-american terrorist then.
Another first…..Chris and I agree on something….
Because the Democrats’ favorite taunt is hypocrisy, but it is a taunt that they are immune from by law.
Was Jane Kidd ever a community organizer? If so, let’s install her right now.
I guess Mack Mattingly wasn’t experienced enough either.
Experience as a tested leader is important. I need to know the person I vote for will be able to handle the pressure at the highest level. I don’t know if Palin got this type of experience as a mayor. Ultimately, she didn’t seem to be able to handle the pressure as Governor. I don’t know how Kidd handled herself in her former leadership positions and how much pressure she faced. With that said, I think we could all agree the standard may be slightly higher for someone running for VP, than US Senate.
For both I think it comes down to other attributes. Palin didn’t help herself in interviews/come across as extremely capable, to put it gently. If either comes across as very capable and can seem to walk the walk, then I’d have no problem voting for either based on experience and notwithstanding politics.
If she is 30 years old, a citizen and legal resident of Georgia she is qualified to run. Now, whether or not she is qualified to serve is another matter entirely.
Thanks for clearing that up. How long does the Governor serve for again?
Based on your example, 2 1/2 years.
A few observations/comments:
If the Dems truly believe this seat is unwinnable and therefore can’t find someone to take one for the team… they should just not run anyone… if the state chair has to run, just to have a presence, that’s pretty weak.
However, if she does run, the funny thing is… if you’ve ever had private political conversations with Jane and you match up her record to Johnny’s (not his rhetoric, but record) I’m not sure who’s actually more of a socon/fiscon and who’s the more liberal… Ha! They might split the pro-Gov vote.
Yes, but it’s the D on her team’s helmet that will cause certain people to not vote for her.
it looks much worse for a major party to have no candidate for a senate or guv race in this day and age–and ask kay hagan or jim webb about winning hopeless races…or heck even perdue and coverdell here in ga…
In response to the recent rantings of Pete “the repugnant racist” Randall, allow me to cite Article I, section 3 of the Constitution of the United States:
So, to answer Racist Randall’s first question, “Is Jane Vandiver Kidd even qualified to run for the U.S. Senate?”
Yes. Yes, she is.
As for the query of whether Kidd has the experience to serve in the world’s greatest deliberative body, I believe the final word on that should come from the people of Georgia.
However, I would caution the Racist Randall and others that Jane Kidd asserted she will not be a candidate for United States Senator from Georgia in 2010 [Aued, Blake (August 18, 2009). Jane Kidd for Senate?. In The Loop. Retrieved on 2009-08-20.].
and brett favre is retired—and bob barr was not running for prez when he joined the LP, etc, etc, etc…
While I don’t see anyone beating Senator Isakson, we should also remember that Jane Kidd was district director for Rep. Don Johnson during his term in congress. I was in his D.C. office and found her to be personable, detailed and intelligent. She has a deeper policy background than Cliff Oxford had. Remember when Ralph Reed as head of the GA GOP discouraged anyone from running against Rep. Sanford Bishop to keep Bishop’s volunteer machine out of the game. Did that help Saxby win the senate the first time?
If (Since) the Dem Team can’t beat Isakson, they should consider blowing off that race and keeping Isakson’s machine in the barn which would help with other races and free the senator up to discuss current legislation without election considerations.
As those who defended Obama in comparison of his experience level to Palin’s, “It’s the length of the campaign that makes you experienced.”
Actually, it’s the length of the campaign that makes you better able to handle simple questions like “What do you read?”
True but she has a lot of experience in foreign relations since she can see Russia from her bedroom window. Plus, Todd races snowmobiles…that’s gotta count for something?
ok everyone knows tina fey actually said that and not palin–right?
what palin did say is that the proximity to russia has allowed her the opportunity to have some experience in int’l affairs
while on the surface that may sound as absurd as a guv using hi status as com in chief of the nat’l guard to bolster his military credentials–alaskans and russians do interact quite a bit on both official and not so official capacities–even during the height of the cold war some towns on the western coast of alaska experimented w/ accepting russian money from fishermen and sailors along the coast. and fishing and wildlife issues between the 2 do come up…in 2007 an official from the russian province across the strait from alaska actually met w/ the guv in anchorage–i believe they discussed issues about the “native population” and their free movement back and forth–she also dealt with canada–over pipeline issues–although not necesarily with much success, the dialogue was still there…maybe she overplayed the proximity–but i think the idea was more to show she was not some cocooned myopic w/ no knowledge or understanding of foreigners as she campaigned
I’m not even a big Palin supporter and hope she is not the GOP nominee for President. Although, I think she was treated incredibly chauvinisticly and unfairly.
I was just humored, during the campaign, to see the great pains the Democrats would go through to distinguish a two-year Senator, and his experience for the job, from a two-year Governor, and her experience for the job. While most would not answer the question, the ones who would always cited Obama’s lengthy campaign experience as a point of difference from Palin’s years of experience.
To the extent Palin was treated “unfairly”, I think it had more to do with her being an unknown quantity entering the fray so late. I think to a lot of people it felt like a classic scam: Buy now! Sale ends today! trust me!
Good spin, drjay, but let’s go to the tape:
Katie Couric: You’ve cited Alaska’s proximity to Russia as part of your foreign policy experience. What did you mean by that?
Sarah Palin: That Alaska has a very narrow maritime border between a foreign country, Russia, and, on our other side, the land-boundry that we have with Canada. It’s funny that a comment like that was kinda made to … I don’t know, you know … reporters.
Couric: Mocked?
Palin: Yeah, mocked, I guess that’s the word, yeah.
Couric: Well, explain to me why that enhances your foreign-policy credentials.
Palin: Well, it certainly does, because our, our next-door neighbors are foreign countries, there in the state that I am the executive of. And there…
Couric: Have you ever been involved in any negotiations, for example, with the Russians?
Palin: We have trade missions back and forth, we do. It’s very important when you consider even national-security issues with Russia. As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It’s Alaska. It’s just right over the border. It is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right next to, they are right next to our state.
yeah she says thay are right next door–never that she can literally see them–not spinning–she is not overly articulate sometimes but her interactions and her states interactions with both canada and russia aren’t some unverifiable secret…
Couric: VP Biden, can you elaborate on your extensive foreign relations experience?
Biden: Sure Katie, thank you for asking that important question. Let me tell you about a recent experince I had with the Russia media….DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO….(CBS Nightly News is currently experiencing technical difficulties. Try us again in approximaetly one hour. )
Yes DrJay, my post was in jest…still, Palin is an idiot. People like her have ruined the Republican Party for decades now. Nancy Schaefer comes to mind, someone who can recite passages from the Bible I’m sure or tell you why she’s opposed to abortion, but who is totally incapable of policy making.
And no, I’m not a Deomocrat.
So you’re a Democrat then.
LIMH,
I would say that is really was people like Bush and Rove that have destroyed the Republican Party.
The base does not win elections. It might be 20% of the vote on a good day. The rest of the party and the independents win the elections. The fact that a sitting President with a decent economy had to sweat out election night while running against dead wood like John Kerry is a disaster, not a success.
Bashing gays, calling people baby killer and whatever divisive thing to “bring out the base” permanently loses voters. Not only people in those groups, but people who are friends and relatives of people in those groups are lost.
The Bush and Rove idiots cast the Republican Party adrift from its winning message of smaller government and less involvement in our individual lives into one that was large and intrusive, but large and intrusive for so called “conservative values”.
You are not a conservative, if you do not support limited government.
Oh, and I forgot to add, that it was the above, plus the fact most of their governing team from top to bottom where incompetent boobs or cronies.
Yes, but you let them DD. They demanded unconditional loyalty and you gave it to them. I agree they weren’t really conservatives, but they surely were Republicans.
I still can’t believe their ability to attract bizarre combinations of constituencies: Christians and the NRA (did somebody say lions laying down with lambs?); immigrant bashers and business; small government pseudo-libertarians and post-the ten-commandments-in-the-courthouse and mandate-intelligent-design-in-schools government intervention zealots.
Those guys weren’t idiots. They were in it to win it, and they did. They mortgaged the GOP future for a little while though, but hey, that’s how the free market works sometimes.
I know it’s hard to think outside the box, but us out here on “The Left” don’t all necessarily think exactly the same. Just because someone posted it on Huffington Post doesn’t mean it shoots out of the monitor and embeds automatically into our DNA.
I know you guys on “The Right” are very disciplined and don’t ever need to question your own motivations and principles anymore, let alone policy positions. It’s like manna. The correct worldview is in the air and you all just absorb it through osmosis. We are not nearly as evolved as you and can’t do this yet.
Also, some of us are even capable of playing politics to the extent that we might try to criticize an opponents record without actually “believing” the criticism in a passionate, all-or-nothing kind of way. Usually this is done in order to gain a political advantage, but there is some entertainment value involved. This is something completely unfamiliar to “The Right” since it involves something a little more subtle and a little less dramatic than a life-or-death principle specifically outlined in The Constitution.
Even so, if you want to make the case that she is not qualified, go for it. Otherwise, this is a typical chickensh*t Limbaugh style “I’m just asking the question!” way of expressing an unsupportable opinion without taking responsibility for it.
Keep talking like that Benevolus and they’ll ban you
My understanding is that Pete posts when the adults are away, so I figure I should be able to get away with pointier comments for a couple of days.
But nobody seems to mind poking Pete with a stick anyway.
Since this is an open thread, I have an assignment for the PP class. Download HB 3200 & begin to actually read it. (take notes if you please) The next assignment will be sometime in 2010!
But that’s only one of FIVE bills all related to this, so focusing on one misses the point.
The point is to find the common threads between all the bills and stamp those “gonna happen”, then take the things that are wildly different and stamp those “not gonna happen”. It’s the stuff in between that’s going to be interesting when it comes to reconciliation horse-trading time.
Byte, just try that one as a starter.
I already have. You don’t have to read every page. I think the table of contents is about 20 pages.
That’s funny!
You missed my point. Or are trying to make a point that’s counter to it that might require more effort on my part than I’m willing to put into helping you make your point.
Point is…what will the debate or compromises be over? The details of the bills. It’s hard to talk about the subject if you don’t know what is them. (unless you’re a politician!)
Furlough dates could hurt UGA football team!
http://www.ajc.com/sports/furlough-dates-set-at-120158.html
Now this is an issue we should all be able to agree on. Furlough dates for coaches and staff should fall after the Tech game and before the bowl game on January 7, 2010.
Might as well send them home before the Florida game as well. Might actually help.
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