More on Ox and Obamacare

by Erick on August 6, 2009

Jason beat me to this yesterday, but I think it is worth noting some more. I’m a big fan of these stand along campaign websites and this one in particular is well done.

It is straight to the point and gets people energized in a good way.

It is also a great tool to collect email addresses for Ox’s campaign. At least I’m assuming it is for his campaign, but there is no disclaimer on the website saying if it is paid for by the state or by the campaign. Since Tim Echols emailed it to me, I’m assuming it is the campaign.

In short, Ox gets to add significantly to his list of emails that he can then send information to. He gets people focused on the fact that he is fighting Obamacare. He has credibility on the issue because he is the Insurance Commissioner.

It is similar to what Karen Handel did with the citizenship stuff and her petition effort, though I really do like this stand alone website effort better as it seems less campaign oriented, even though it is. (Note to the Ox campaign: you guys might want to include a campaign disclaimer and a statement on what you’ll do with the email addresses)

The additional cool part is that it is integrates Facebook, Twitter, etc. Well done guys.

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Jeff August 6, 2009 at 10:16 am

As Kellie pointed out in the other thread, what the HADES does Obamacare have to do with the Constitutional duties of the office of Governor of Georgia?

If Ox wants more names in his database, why does he have to be so misleading to get them? Is this not what we can expect from him on the God-forsaken REMOTE chance he actually manages to steal two wins in a year he’s not even campaigning for? More lies, misdirections, and bait and switch?

Dash Riptide August 6, 2009 at 10:20 am

I love the smell of passive aggressiveness in the morning.

True Grit August 6, 2009 at 10:35 am

So, following your logic, or lack thereof, due to the fact that Ox is a Constitutional officer for the state that is running for Governor, he has no reason for questioning the healthcare system that will affect 10 million Georgians. That makes absolutely NO SENSE.

Oxendine is in charge of regulating the HEALTH INSURANCE industry in Georgia. I think that gives him the authority and the right to question and do something about the DISASTER called Obamacare.

You should be VERY careful with your mantra of “lies, misdirection and bait and switch.” I would suggest that the only reason you post on PP is to get unbeknowing readers to be “misdirected” to your own insignificant Libertarian blog.

Jeff August 6, 2009 at 10:46 am

When Ox stops using those three tactics, I’ll stop calling him out on them.

As far as questioning Obamacare, he has no authority there either in his current position or the position he seeks. The only ones that can affect Obamacare at all are the various US Reps and Chambliss and Isakson as the US Senators from GA. Since none of those positions are appointed anymore, that means each of them answers to the people of their respective districts – not the Governor, and CERTAINLY not the Insurance Commissioner.

True Grit August 6, 2009 at 12:28 pm

ANYONE has the right to question OBAMACARE. Oxendine is trying to make a difference as a concerned citizen. So again, according to your logic, no one except the two Solons from Georgia have the right to do anything at all about this farce. Since I’m sure that one of the requirements to be Insurance Commissioner of the State of Georgia is actual residency in the State of Georgia, the Insurance Commissioner most CERTAINLY can and will hold them accountable, probably with a much stronger voice than a blogger from South West Georgia.

Jeff August 6, 2009 at 10:57 am

Oh, and for the record True Grit, that Constitution link doesn’t count on my stats. It is actually a separate folder from the blog, and is provided simply as a service to anyone who happens to want to look for any particular section of the Constitution without having to manually look through the entire thing.

John Konop August 6, 2009 at 11:04 am

Here you go True Grit answer the questions?

OX TEAM

First Medicare is government run healthcare. And we all know unless we get this under control the federal deficit will explode. My question is simple unless we get end of life spending under control than how do we afford this? Should tax payers pay for a hip replacement on a person with less than 6 moths to live? Should tax payers pay for a brain dead person heath care? How does the free market system fix this problem? Once again what is OX calling for the end of Medicare and or county hospitals treating the uninsured and or underinsured?

Can the OX team answer the questions? I guess they avoid the questions and or attack.

Game Fan August 9, 2009 at 7:25 pm

John
No offense but I really think you’ve embibed some of the collectivist Kool-aid. What’s most amazing to me is the lack of compassion among the collectivists toward the weakest and most vulnerable elements of our society. I really hope that most Americans won’t take the bait and actually subscribe to the idea that “everyone deserves healthcare” which also would include the “flip side” of collectivism: “Heck, this woman is costing us waaay too much money. Time to pull the plug.” Actually this is a burden which is artificial in nature if you actually understand free market economics.

ByteMe August 9, 2009 at 7:34 pm

The insurance companies do this pretty regularly now. It’s called “rescission” and it’s yet another abuse of their customers that insurers are doing to ensure they continue to maximize their profits.

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jun/17/business/fi-rescind17

How do you get satisfaction suing your insurer after you’re dead because they refused honor the policy you’ve bought from them?

galiberal August 6, 2009 at 11:13 am

I do not understand why everyone is against ObamaCare… People say that the Free market cannot compete with the government… but Fed Ex and UPS compete with the postal service. Doctor compete with public health clinics as it stands now. Private schools compete with public schools… What is everyone so afraid of…

See, it have very little to do with Private/Public, it has to do with money. The Blue Dogs are taken massive amounts of money from health insurance companies and then voting against healthcare:

http://galiberal.com/?p=1695

There is Jim Marshall. Case and Point

Icarus August 6, 2009 at 11:24 am

Dustin, your lack of grip on the real world overflows with this post.

Next time you’re on campus, please drift by a basic economics course. Ask any professor, even the most liberal, how well private entities do when they actually “compete” with the federal government.

How one is expected to generate a return on investment when you are “competing” with the government who can set the rules, fix prices without respect to profit or loss, and create barriers to entry or exit is beyond my comprehension. But then again, I’ve never tried to use congress to change the laws of economics.

benevolus August 6, 2009 at 1:00 pm

I don’t think anything being proposed requires insurance companies to participate. If they want to offer policies that meet the requirements and standards, they can. They can also offer other policies that do not qualify to be in the program. If the insurance companies can’t compete for a “basic” insurance plan with the government, they can offer supplemental, or focus on other types of insurance, or even create new kinds of insurance. If they are not diversified yet, they probably ought to get started. That’s how you generate ROI.

If or when the the government tries to “change the rules” in a way that you object to, then oppose it at that time.

galiberal August 6, 2009 at 2:53 pm

Icarus,

The explain private schools, Fed Ex, UPS, and Doctor’s office, all of which compete with public options now?

Icarus August 6, 2009 at 3:40 pm

I’m trying to finish up some work, so this may end up somewhat inelegant.

The post office does not compete with Fed Ex and UPS. In fact, the post office can determine what Fed Ex and UPS are allowed to do. Fed Ex and UPS are specifically forbidden to deliver mail other than overnight delivery. In either the late 80’s or early 90’s, the USPS went after large companies and actually got some of them to pay back postage for FedEx services that they couldn’t prove required overnight delivery.

Yet, the Post Office loses money while the others thrive. But if the magnitude of the postal deficit was applied to the roughly 20% of our economy that is the medical system, you can bet that the same powers of government to dictate what the private sector “competition” could and cound’t do would tilt the scales in favor of the government, and against that of the market competitors.

I’ve covered this a couple of times over at LeftOnLanier. There is no way a private enterprise can “compete” with the person who makes the rules, can set or regulate pricing, and then doesn’t even necessarily have to follow those rules themselves. Private capital will not compete against that level of risk, because it’s a suckers bet.

benevolus August 6, 2009 at 4:18 pm

The post office losing money has nothing to do with competition. It is due to the reduction in volume from email and gas prices, not to mention the general economic conditions.

There are many companies in the free market world who are suffering losses right now too.

And your premise is wrong about all the rest of it to. The P.O. has a monopoly on First Class mail, and no one else can use the US mail mailboxes, but that’s about it.

You are on dangerous territory here; The Founding Fathers established the US Postal Service. Are you saying they made a mistake? I don’t think we are supposed to disagree with them.

Icarus August 6, 2009 at 7:17 pm

I don’t think you understood a thing I said, so try reading for comprehension next time, and then start over.

Or not.

Bill Simon August 6, 2009 at 11:16 am

GaLiberal,

Apples. Oranges.

Chris August 6, 2009 at 12:11 pm

Why has no one brought up the most important and obvious question raised by this post?

Who placed the mind control device in Erick or hacked the Wordpress administrator account?

Actually, I too have to give Kudos to Oxendine on this one.

Pine Knot August 6, 2009 at 12:18 pm

Not a good comparison. Also, look at how efficient the postal service is. They are pratically going bankrupt. http://www.usatoday.com/money/2009-08-03-post-office-closings_N.htm?csp=34

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