(1) He probably should be thrown out for a questionable mental state;
(2) Barring that, he should be horse whipped;
(3) Barring that, we should post his picture so everyone knows what he looks like so we can ridicule him to his face should we ever see him.
Oh, and can we call him a coward? The other objectors were under Bush. Just because he’s using this novel excuse doesn’t make it any less so.
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While the guy sounds kind of nutty, the whole circle-jerk you always get into everytime you have some bloodlust — you might be too cowardly yourself to take on a Major with whipping, no? — isn’t really healthy. Might want to get that checked.
I heard a rumor from a friend of a friend who has a cousin related to a friend that lives next door to a friend who knows about this issue. My reliable source claims that Erick Erickson is totally the blame for this situation.
The Georgia Army Major was ready to deploy until he heard Erick led a LIBERTY campaign to allow patriotic drunks to drink in the streets of Macon during Bragg Jam music festival. He was so overwhelmed with his duty to support Erick in this fight for liberty the Army Major made this all up.
After a strong weekend of beer, music…..he will claim do-over and go back to his deployment.
Once again this is merely a strong rumor.
that’s a strong weekend of beer, music, and oriental massages…
Remember its Macon: where every day has a happy ending
Konop,
I thought you were dead.
MD
i’d want to know a little more about him before dismissing him as a crazy coward…
he’s a major, in theory he’s been in a while, a little on his service record would be nice, he’s a reservist, a little about his civilian situation might be enightening, what is his job in the military, what is his job in real life, is he otherwise mixed up with a group that would be “agitators” as far as the war goes, etc…
According to this morning’s Drudge Reprot his orders have been revolked.
Lay off the OX! attacks Erick.
Introducing Erick, Candidate for Colonel in The Fourth Reich, sporting an Izod polo shirt and khaki pants with matching socks and taseled (sp?) loafers. His jack-boots are from Abercrombie & Fitch and his buggy-whip is from the Ye Olde German Surplus and Laundromat Store in beautiful downtown Macon.
WTF?
WTF??
Erick sometimes you can be a real a$$. You may want to have a little more person knowledge of this guy before you say all you have said. Normally one does not become a Major by being a coward. Exactly how much time have you served in the military? Let me not hap hazard a guess.
“Erick sometimes you can be a real a$$. ”
It’s a gift.
What are you talking about? Leave Erick alone… all this stuff is written as clear as day on the major’s Wikipedia page.
It must be. I know if Karen Handle was refusing to deploy Erick would have PeachPundit and RedState on the front line defending her.
Tommy
Are you having problems with the little green men again?
Tommy’s right in his analogy.
AND, the little men are red-colored.
“AP- WASHINGTON D.C. – In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama’s qualifications for the presidency, the group “Americans for Freedom of Information” has released copies of President Obama’s college transcripts from Occidental College.
Released today, the transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, {{( one of Obama’s known 6 names}} received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school.
The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California.
The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship.”
This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama’s detractors have been seeking. Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship, this is looking pretty grim.
not trying to be snarky–but isn’t there some stuff that kinda has to be sorted through about his citizenship–even he he was born in hawaii–like his father not being a citizen so obama would have to somehow “claim” his american citizenship to be considered one–and that his fam may have actually claimed citizenship in indinesia when he was still a child–it may be a big fat nothig–and may be moot at this point even if it is something–just curious–i always thought the born in canada story made more sense than the born in kenya one anyway-again the secret muslim issue is clearly much more worrisome…
I doubt his very pregnant mother would have been allowed to get on a flight from Hawaii to Kenya in the first place. As I understand it, those rules were in effect by the airlines even back then.
As for the scholarship, I don’t think it is in dispute that Barack had Indonesian citizenship, but there are a lot of people with duel citizenship and that does not disqualify you as not being a natural born citizen. The Constitution does not address this because in 1787 there was no such thing as duel citizenship.
I think he was exploiting a loophole to get money for college.
Okay – this completely not confirmed because I read it on a website once upon a time when all of this birth certificate stuff began so don’t quote me as knowing this but I did read something about his mother and father went to Kenya while she was pregnant and stayed there for some months and was too pregnant to get back on the plane to come back to Hawaii and that is why supposedly she gave birth to him in Kenya???
Like I said I read it somewhere but it seemed like a somewhat reasonable place that I read but not even sure where it was – again don’t quote me – somebody could have made it up for all I know. I just saw what Jason wrote (” doubt his very pregnant mother would have been allowed to get on a flight from Hawaii to Kenya in the first place.”) and it made me think of that.
Oh well – either way – the clown is in and we have to deal with him – and stop his crazy plans!!!
I do think Rush Limbaugh is hilarious and I about ran off the road the day he did the – what is the difference between God and Obama….
God does not have a birth certificate either ; )
At least God knows he is not Obama ; )
+ many more funny things Rush said about Obama that day ; ) ; )
It would be a smoking gun, except there’s no such document, and that’s not even a real AP news story, and the whole business doesn’t make a lick of sense. It’s sad that this BS is influencing members of our military.
http://www.oxy.edu/x7992.xml
Hahahahahaha….
http://amfoi.wordpress.com/
Let me quote:
…what really impresses me is that despite the multiple indications of the non-existence of the “Americans for Freedom of Information” group in gold-standard fact-check sites all over the web, for months on end reminding people that any claims by the “Americans for Freedom of Information” are utterly bogus and without a shred of documented evidence whatsoever, there are still some chumps out there taken in by all this!
“President Obama and God had one thing in common, neither has a birth certificate.
The difference between the two? God only takes 10 percent of a person’s income.”
Good ‘un, Techy!
We all know this isn’t an issue because Obama said he was going to end the war anyway.
Refusing to deploy is rather moot, right Mr. Change-We-Can-Believe-In?
President Biden is laying his trap very well!
or is it Hillary??? She looks mad at Obama every I see her some where around the world and she attacked his vetting process the other day. Obama was warned – he invited Clinton in – all he has to do is turn his back once and blam he’s gone and Hillary will claim the POTUS spot one way or another ; )
By the way my ex business partner is a benefactor [thanks to a rich mother]and on the board of Occidental College.
He is having a meeting and conversation with the President of the College today. Concerning transcripts and any written documents subpoenaed. A gag order may have already been executed.
We have to use code to avoid NSA wiretaps.
It amazes me that people do not know that Obama’s half-sister is NAMED: Maya Soetoro-Ng.
And that Barak often used the name BARRY Soetero on dates just in case he got lucky. I don’t think it is unusal to use /temporarily take the name of stepfather when father deserts family.
Mohammed Hasan Chandoo and Wahid Hamid, two wealthy Pakistanis were his roomates and friends at Occidental.
“Mr. Obama visited Pakistan in 1981, on the way back from Indonesia, where his mother and half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng, were living. He spent “about three weeks” there, Mr. Obama’s press secretary, Bill Burton, said, staying in Karachi with the family of a college friend, Mohammed Hasan Chandoo, but also traveling to Hyderabad, in India”
“Mr. Obama also befriended Wahid Hamid, a fellow student who was an immigrant from Pakistan and traveled with Mr. Obama there, the Obama campaign said. Mr. Hamid is now a vice president at Pepsico in New York. ”
” Mr. Chandoo is now a self-employed financial consultant, living in Armonk, N.Y”
What luck these to Pakistani’s have had.
Hey Technocrat…
I have a friend (who wants to remain anonymous so I’m just making up names. The actual name isn’t important….) who went by Pat Smith. Now the weird thing about Pat is that Pat’s half-brother goes by Jamie Jones. It gets weirder…so Par went to school in Michigan. Get this–roomed with a couple Swiss fellows, Johann Strauss and Michael Bastille. You think that’s strange? It gets better.
So anyway, Pat also started going by Jones and it strikes me as strange that Pat’s Canadian dad just up and left a while ago, and now Pat is using Jones as Pat’s surname.
Then, after school, Pat went to Switzerland before stopping in Italy where Pat’s fam was summering.
Remember Johann and Michael? Both top financiers in Switzerland now.
The only conclusion I can draw from that? Pat is really Canadian.
What luck these two Swiss have had.
WTF?
If there is any truth to there being a lawsuit against Occidental, that would be a public record.
Have some of your friends of a friend who is related by being a blood brother to Tonto who might or might not be an occidental post a link to prove something someone might have said was heard before it was said again.
And don’t ask me about the saw in Arkansas that I saw that could out saw any saw that you ever saw. But if you see a saw that can out saw the saw that I saw, I’d like to see your saw saw.
MD, the United States Justice Foundation (USJF) served officials at Occidental College with a subpoena to produce records concerning Barack Obama’s attendance there during the 1980′s, because those records could document whether he was attending as a foreign national. Obama attended the school on a scholarship, and there are questions as to whether the financial aid he received was reserved for foreign students. The Obama attorneys have bent over backward to block the USJF. He doesn’t want anyone to see those records. He’s still trying to hide them; those financial records still have not been released.
Here’s the most current list of documents that Obama is fighting the release of:
Actual long-form birth certificate (NOT an easily-forged electronic copy of a short-form document that is not even officially accepted in Hawaii)
Passport files
University of Chicago Law School scholarly articles
Harvard Law Review articles
Harvard Law School records
Columbia University records
Columbia University senior thesis, “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament”
Occidental College records, including financial aid that he may have received
Punahou School records, where Mr. Obama attended from the fifth grade until he finished high school
Noelani Elementary School records, where Barack Obama attended kindergarten (according to the Hawaii Department of Education, students must submit a birth certificate to register — but parents may bring a passport or student visa if the child is from a foreign country)
Complete files and schedules of his years as an Illinois state senator from 1997 to 2004
Obama’s client list from during his time in private practice with the Chicago law firm of Davis, Miner, Barnhill and Gallard
Illinois State Bar Association records
Baptism records
Obama/Dunham marriage license
Obama/Dunham divorce documents
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license
Soetero/Dunham Adoption records
Mr. Obama, just show us the records. Thanks.
501(c)3s don’t have subpoena power idiot.
Mr. Green if you aren’t too busy thinking non-profits have as much authority as courts, could you respond to this story?
Thanks.
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/07/28/obamas_original_birth_certificate_still_exists.html
PS: Could you also explain why the McCain campaign originally explored the citizenship issue and then realized there wasn’t anything to investigate?
I was just giving 2 roomates names [and proof by Obama's on staff Bill Burton] that these names were real so if anyone wanted to visit or contact them they could.
By the way both are were fundraisers and have very interesting backgrounds after college as do their family members in US and Pakistan.
For more details try this AP story:
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=F1C46FDE-3048-5C12-00ED1702A906DC5F
Since Fulbright is a government agency using a false or fake or made up name or accepting funds under false citizenship or failing to disclose US citizenship is a felony. No dual citizenships can be used to circumvent the Federal Law.
http://translate.google.co.id/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.detiknews.com%2Findex.php%2Fdetik.read%2Ftahun%2F2006%2Fbulan%2F07%2Ftgl%2F06%2Ftime%2F100044%2Fidnews%2F630159%2Fidkanal%2F10&hl=id&ie=UTF-8&sl=id&tl=en
Here is a story about childhood friends who went to school with little Barry Soetoro, aka Barak Obama………….DetikNews Jakarta Indonesia 6/7/06
So we can assume that little Barry had a passport with Barry Soetoro on it.
And here is another with his picture and name:
http://www.kabarindonesia.com/berita.php?pil=1&dn=20070125043837
You can call this whole issue goofy if you want to but someone is going to a whole lot of trouble to avoid doing the one thing that could put this all to rest, just produce the original birth certificate.
It appears now that the Army has dropped the charges against the major: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104009 .
I wonder what’s up with that? Could it be that if it went to court marshal or civilian court they’d have to produce documentation that BHO is a natural born citizen and there isn’t any?
In addition, the government has had this man’s civilian employer fire him from his job. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104044
Way too much energy expended for something that should be a no-brainer if he is in fact eligible to be President.
Charges dropped? What charges?
And you wonder why the rest of us have such a short attention span on this.
Sorry, should have said “orders rescinded.” Same effect. In my opinion they do not want this to go before any court, military or civilian, where evidence to prove him wrong would have to be produced.
He volunteered to go knowing full well that Obama was the CiC, and he could withdraw his request to go by a deadline that had not been reached yet, from what I’ve read. He was trying to create a test case where there was no actual case or controversy. In other words, instead of doing the thing he had a right to do, he tried to fashion a remedy that would create a court case against the President. That dog won’t hunt. Instead he was treated as if he had withdrawn his request. Whether he’ll ultimately face charges for yanking Uncle Sam’s chain remains to be seen.
Still, it begs the question, why don’t they just provide the proof he’s a natural born citizen? They could make all these claimants look like a_holes if they’d just do that. We know less about the CiC than we do about the kid working the drive through at McDonalds. They have released NOTHING that would dispel this claim that he’s not a citizen. Makes me wonder, but not much. I think I know why.
Provide it to whom? How many more people need to see it? What if I suspect that Obama was acting as a drug mule during the G8 and after? Should he have to spread his cheeks to prove me wrong? How often?
Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t he have to “prove” that to the FEC when he files paperwork for a campaign?
Also why the hell should he “prove” anything to right-wing loons? If for no other reason, what political capital does he gain?
Right. The thing people who don’t get any significant attention fail to understand is that there is no motivation whatsoever for anyone to shut them up.
That he can demonstrate that he finally tells the TRUTH on one thing. He’s pretty much proven himself to be a pathological liar otherwise.
Consistency is the mark of character and integrity, Rugby. I know…that’s a foreign concept to you and others just like you.
rugby, interestingly enough, no he doesn’t have to prove anything to the FEC, or anyone else for that matter, that he’s actually a natural-born U.S. citizen. Yes, the Constitution requires it; no, there’s no law describing how to carry out that requirement.
There is a bill being introduced now which would do that; but the Democrats, for some reason, are dead set against that bill going forward for the next presidential election. I just don’t know why…
While I doubt anyone in the Obama administration is giving the BC issue a second thought, even if releasing the long form birth certificate that is being asked for was legal and simple to do, it would be a smart political move not to release it. The fringe that is demanding to see the long form are making all kinds of crazy claims that are going to keep them from being taken seriously on anything else for a long time. As can be seen in this thread, they’re even making up AP wire stories.
I can see why Erick is so mad about this… it smears the Republican brand and makes more people too embarrassed to be associated with them. For those who wanted to expel the squishy middle from the party, the birth certificate nuts are doing a good job for you.
Should he have to spread his cheeks to prove me wrong?
Is that a job you relish having, Dash?
Fine. Let’s flip for it.
They could make all those claimants look like a_holes if they’d just do that.
Uh, they already look like a_holes. No need to take any action to make that happen. Just add black person with funny name, stir, and there you go. Instant a_holes.
More WorldNetDaily! YAY! I love WorldNetDaily!
This is from Fact Check but I realize this will probably do nothing to change your mind.
The truth about Obama’s birth certificate.
Summary
In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document’s authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is “fake.”
We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as “supporting documents” to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.
Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.
Analysis
Update Nov. 1: The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama’s original birth certificate.
Fukino also was quoted by several other news organizations. The Honolulu Advertiser quoted Fukino as saying the agency had been bombarded by requests, and that the registrar of statistics had even been called in at home in the middle of the night.
Honolulu Advertiser, Nov. 1 2008: “This has gotten ridiculous,” state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said yesterday. “There are plenty of other, important things to focus on, like the economy, taxes, energy.” . . . Will this be enough to quiet the doubters? “I hope so,” Fukino said. “We need to get some work done.”
Fukino said she has “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
But but but but, John! All those people are Democrats and in on the conspiracy!!!!!!!
Hahahahahahahaha…. God loves whack-jobs… the rest of us just get to make fun of them.
We have no shortage of people chasing little green men with tin foil hats on!
John,
That form is not a true “birth certificate” like you or I have. A true birth certificate has the hospital’s name in which the person was born, the exact day and time of the birth, the attending doctor’s name who delivered the baby, the race, gender, birth name of baby, and a few other details.
That FactCheck “birth certificate” does not have the race that would have been present in 1961 (i.e., “Negro” or some other “Negroid”), NOT “African-American” as that term did not exist in the 1960s…or 1970s…and maybe not even until the mid to late 1980s.
Also, every other treu birth certificate is a combination of type-written and hand-written with, at minimum, the signature of the attending physician who delivered the baby.
Go find your original birth certificate, John. FactCheck is the lazy man’s Wikipedia on this subject. Go check your own birth certificate.
Bill,
So you know more than state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino? I guess this is a real inside job with an army of little green with tin foil hats leading the charge?
It is the focus on craziness like this instead of real policy is why the GOP and our country is in the shape it is in! We have no real rational alternative voice to counter the Democrats only a bunch people chasing their tail.
Well, they are chasing tail. No question about that.
John,
Quit spending your life quoting other people. GO LOOK AT YOUR BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
Tell me….when you hire someone, do you just take their credentials at face value, or do you check-up on what they claim on a resume and in an interview?
Ok Bill show me anything that demonstrates state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino does not know what he is doing? Was he suspended for poor job performance? Do you have anything other than BS?
Well…
xxx
The Hawaiian certification of live birth Barack Obama posted on his campaign website and distributed to select news organizations as proof he was a “natural born citizen” would not be accepted as a “birth certificate” even for some Hawaiian state government eligibility issues, WND has learned.
The investigation follows a Honolulu Star Bulletin column Saturday, which quotes a state Department of Health spokeswoman as saying the state’s current certification of live birth is recognized “as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements.”
The website of the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands, however, states clearly the certification of live birth touted by the Obama campaign, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs and a host of other Obama defenders is not acceptable as a form of identification to qualify under this program.
As WND has reported, certifications of live birth were widely issued to Hawaiians born in foreign countries in 1961, the year Obama was born.
The Star Bulletin column goes on to report: “The issue of what constitutes an official Hawaii birth certificate received national attention during last year’s presidential campaign. Those who doubted Barack Obama’s American citizenship called the copy of the Hawaii birth document posted on his campaign website a fake.”
However, Obama’s “citizenship” was never the question raised during the campaign or after the election. The issue raised by WND has consistently been that Obama failed to prove he was actually born in Hawaii and thus constitutionally qualified to become president as a “natural born citizen” – which requires that the birth took place in the United States.
The qualifications for the Hawaiian Home Lands program require a certified copy of a standard birth certificate – also known as the “long-form certificate” filled out in the hospital and including details such as the name of the hospital and the attending physician.
“In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green,” the qualifications state. “This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.”
According to Hawaii’s Department of Health spokeswoman Janice Okubo, the state only issues “certifications” of live births since 2001 when the health department went paperless. It is only available in electronic form, she said.
“At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting,” she is quoted as telling the Star Bulletin. “The electronic record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in order to provide same-day certified copies at our help window for most requests,” Okubo said.
She did not explain how those needing a standard long-form birth certificate to qualify for programs such as those offered by the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands or to establish proof of eligibility to be president could be fulfilled. She said the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state’s current certification of live birth “as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements.” She did not, however, cite any specific rulings, and the Supreme Court has not taken up the issue of whether the certification of live birth would qualify a presidential candidate as eligible under the “natural born citizen” clause.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=100451
Oh, and this:
In fact, Hawaiian Health Director Chiyome Fukino previously made a public statement about the controversy:
“I, and Dr. Alvin Onaka have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures,” Fukino’s statement said.
But the statement didn’t reveal what the document contains, nor has any clarification ever been released.
While Onaka documented the need for medical records and statements from a midwife, he did not cite any independent investigative procedures for a report that would be submitted by a midwife. Also, Hawaiian law specifically allows “an adult or the legal parents of a minor child” to apply to the health department and, upon unspecified proof, be given the birth document.
The only requirement for proof cited in the law doesn’t address the birth of the child either, just “that the legal parents of such individual while living without Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal resident for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.”
According to Jerry Fuller and Mike Persons of the passport services division of the U.S. State Department, a document such as the online COLB could be acceptable to prove U.S. citizenship for the purposes of getting a passport if it contains a certain number of components, such as time and date of birth, location and name.
Want to turn up the pressure to learn the facts? Get your signs and postcards asking for the president’s birth certificate documentation here.
Fuller also said birth certificates should reveal the location of the child’s birth accurately, but he confirmed there are cases known where that has not happened.
“There are some documents that say things that aren’t true,” Fuller said. “That’s not what’s supposed to happen.”
White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs in recent weeks has referred repeatedly to an online image of a “Certification of Live Birth” as President Obama’s “birth certificate,” suggesting it documents the president’s origins.
But the vagueness of the law has produced different answers at different times.
Robert Klein Engler, who writes at Chronwatch-America.com, said he called the State Department to ask about obtaining a U.S. passport with only a “Certification of Live Birth.”
“I was told flat out, ‘No!’” he told WND.
In fact, WND got the same response from the State Department’s passport division consumer affairs line, contradicting Fuller and Persons.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104599
Sadly, in my recently ended employment, I verified various employment records including birth certificates for potential federal employees.
There are no such universal standards for what must be on a birth certificate like Bill Simon suggests when he said, “A true birth certificate has the hospital’s name in which the person was born, the exact day and time of the birth, the attending doctor’s name who delivered the baby, the race, gender, birth name of baby, and a few other details.
Birth ‘certificates’ issued by hospitals are generally nothing more than a souvenir.
Some people in rural areas were birthed by midwife, not in hospitals. Some women opt to have a baby at home, in a taxi cab, or a local Waffle House.
There are some minimum standards set for using a ‘birth certificate’ as a legal document. Those are very simple and idiot proof. However, given the quality of PeachPundit idiots, such idiots are dismissed from that qualifier.
In the event no birth record exists, there standards for proving citizenship. This is a cut and paste from a State Department document. “Submit a registrar’s notice to that effect [that no birth record exists]. Also submit a combination of the following: an early baptismal or circumcision certificate,
hospital birth record, early census, school, or family Bible records, or newspapers or insurance files. Notarized affidavits of persons having knowledge
of your birth may be submitted in addition to at least one record listed above. Evidence should include your given name and surname, date and place
of birth, and the seal or other certification of the office (if customary) and the signature of the issuing official. Visit travel.state.gov for details.
The legal proofs of citizenship are many and varied. As are the proofs of birth.
I’m waiting for the PeachPundit idiots in residence who were born in Waffle House parking lots to question if Obama was a natural birth next.
“Hey! The Constitution requires a natural born citizen. That means Obama has to prove it wasn’t induced labor or a C-section.”
Mad Dog,
In case you were not aware, the amount of truth you tend to inject into any conversation tends to be abysmally low.
For instance, your commentary above regarding what and how a birth record is recorded.
The hospitals did not (and, do not today) have a haphazard way of recording a birth. You see, that’s kind of why in every county, there is a stash of records called “birth records.” It is the law in each state that specifies what has to be recorded, not left up to lazy-minded libbies such as yourself.
Now, you might have had an argument defending Hawaii’s procedures because Hawaii had just recently joined the United States on August 21, 1959.
But…too bad because here’s a link to someone who WAS born in Hawaii and who has all the details to which I referred above. http://snarkybytes.com/?p=521
Now, Michael you can quote all the exceptions you want. But, those legal exceptions tend to have been written because of extreme circumstances regarding original records (like, say, a hurricane, or a flood, or a massive fire in a courthouse, etc.) being destroyed.
So far, your Esteemed Lying President of Sh*t (“POS”) has yet to offer any of these reasons as to why he cannot produce a certificate such as the one shown as being a copy of the true original “certificate of birth.”
Once again, this is what 99.9999999% of birth certificates look like from the early 1960s:
http://snarkybytes.com/?p=521
And, for all I know, they make look as similar today.
Michael, you’re simply full of manure. As you tend to always be.
Besides if birth certificates were so haphazard back then, many of the Mexicans would have claimed citizenship years ago.
Excellent point, Kell!
And y’all probably wonder why Republicans are so marginalized these days.
I am not in the GOP.
Sorry Bytey if you hate things like, ummm…FACTS.
You can marginalize parties, but you cannot marginalize the truth. It will always “out” itself some day.
The very fact that you don’t post under your own name proves that you are quite concerned with what the truth will be on anything you’ve ever posted that’s absolute crap.
“Proof” is so flexible for you Bill. I’ve read enough of your stuff to get that.
And, yes, of course, Kellie, you claim not to be in the GOP. Uh huh. Easy to say that when you don’t have to register to be in a party in GA.
You birthers will always be on the outside looking in and wondering why everyone is chuckling at you. Just keep tapping on the glass, maybe someone will hear you.
Byteme – You are right, I don’t have to register but I am on the ExCom for the libertarian party of Ga.
Are you going to call me a racist next for pointing out that there are Mexicans here illegally? Wake up to reality.
So even though I don’t recall ever mentioning the word “racist” in any of my comments, you now feel the need to be innoculated from the term?
Birthers need mental help.
And Kellie, why do you think that being part of the even-more-marginalized LP is somehow better than being in the marginalized GOP?? Or that my comment about Republicans even applied to you?
Or were you just looking for a fight?
ByteME – you wrote your comment under my July 19, 2009 at 5:36 pm post.
Blame it on WordPress then, Kellie. Unfortunately, we only get 4 levels of comment with the way it’s configured here, so my post applied to those above you and not to the joke you were making or I would have posted it as a direct reply to your post.
Hard to follow, I know. But too many inane birthers out here to start naming all the names.
“FactCheck is the lazy man’s Wikipedia on this subject. ”
The hilarity of that is amazing.
Thank you. I can tell I’m going to have a great day now!
You don’t realize the sheer stupidity of your statement do you?
Rugby, Rugby, Rugby:
I make several types of statements on this blog:
1) Factual statements.
2) Truthful statements.
3) Totally humor-minded statements.
4) Totally flippant statements.
5) Totally opinionated statements.
Whether YOU (a person who so far has demonstrated just how chicken-shi**ed you are about posting under your own name) are able or unable to discern which type of statement I am making at any one time, or if I’m making a combination of several types of statements in the same post, is completely irrelevant to MY life.
Because, what you feel about me and/or my views is not something I devote too much of my conscious (or unconscious) life worrying about. Dig?
Rugby, Rugby, Rugby:
I make several types of statements on this blog:
1) Factual statements.
2) Truthful statements.
3) Totally humor-minded statements.
4) Totally flippant statements.
5) Totally opinionated statements.
Whether YOU (a person who so far has demonstrated just how chicken-sh*ited you are about posting under your own name) are able or unable to discern which type of statement I am making at any one time, or if I’m making a combination of several types of statements in the same post, is completely irrelevant to MY life.
How you feel about me and/or my views is not something I devote too much of my conscious (or unconscious) life worrying about.
As far as I’m concerned, “Rugby”, you are nothing other than a component of a Turing test.
That’s funny.
Sincerely, another chickensh*t user
You would like sailing on the lake wouldn’t you grift?
Sorry YOU’RE JUST ANOTHER CHICKENSH*T socialist pinko TOO SCARED to post under your OWN NAME!
Sorry but you gotta check Wikipedia here BECAUSE EVERYONE KNOWS any website you check is just the poor man’s version of WIKIPEDIA!
Rugfly,
You’re not even CLOSE to being a funny man like Grift. Give it up.
I wasn’t trying to be like Grift.
After reading this thread, I’m now convinced America has jumped the shark.
America? Nah. Not all 350+ million of us. A few of us are still approaching the ramp holding onto the tow rope.
Does the shark have a birth certificate? Is Bill Simon driving the boat? Is the rope hemp? Does the swim suit have a FINA logo? For these and other biting remarks tune your tin foil hats to PeachPundit.com!
Man this “virtual blogger 2.5 is great”. Glad I’m not really online. And I only had to pay $40 for the software. It’s like Madden NFL 10. It’s like each blogger is almost a real person. Of course y’all know this since you’re part of the program.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfRWrwA9XbY&feature=fvsr
Oh uh, by the way, if you don’t realize that these orgs are all connected you should do more research: Obama, Ayers, the Weather Underground, the Annenberg Foundation, ACORN, Soros, factcheck.org, the Chicago political machine, Blagovich, ect… You don’t need a tinfoil hat, just common sense.
I think some people here do indeed need a dose of common sense and maybe a CAT scan.
You’ve been playing the hit card game from the 1980s, Illuminati, haven’t you?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati_(game)
Bloggers who depend on “factcheck.org”? OMG What’s next, Eskimos who like cocconut creame pie?
The Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC) was a Chicago public school reform project from 1995 to 2001 that worked with half of Chicago’s public schools and was funded by a $49.2 million, 2-to-1 matching challenge grant over five years from the Annenberg Foundation. The grant was contingent on being matched by $49.2 million in private donations and $49.2 million in public money. The Chicago Annenberg Challenge was one of 18 locally designed Annenberg Challenge project sites that received $387 million over five years as part of Walter Annenberg’s gift of $500 million over five years to support public school reform. The Chicago Annenberg Challenge helped create a successor organization, the Chicago Public Education Fund (CPEF), committing $2 million in June 1998 as the first donor to Chicago’s first community foundation for education.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Annenberg_Challenge
(factcheck.org) is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the Annenberg School for Communication at the University of Pennsylvania, and is funded primarily by the Annenberg Foundation.[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factcheck.org
It’s amazing how easy this is. (It’s called Google)
Obama’s Lost Annenberg Years Coming to Light
“The four plus years (1995-1999) Barack Obama spent as founding chairman of the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC) represent his track record as reformer, as someone who reached out in a public-private collaboration…”
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_lost_annenberg_years_co.html
Bill Simon,
Under HIPA, hospitals cannot release medical records … exceptions exist.
But, all hospital records of birth are medical records. Nothing issued to the public.
Ask someone who knows something. Like … I dunno… anyone except your other personality?
A birth certificate is not the only proof of citizenship.
And, for the legally challenged, including Bill Simon’s evil twin sister, the burden isn’t on the accused in a court of law. The accuser MUST prove the case.
So where is the proof Obama was born in a foreign hospital? That a foreign government issued a birth certificate.
Free Tin Hats … Free Tin Hats … hardly ever used … were always tuned to PeachPundit … Free Tin Hats …
And, for the legally challenged, including Bill Simon’s evil twin sister, the burden isn’t on the accused in a court of law. The accuser MUST prove the case.
Except for the one requirement in this case that the U.S. Constitution stipulates that one must be a “natural-born citizen” in order to serve as President. Obama MUST prove he is a natural-born U.S. citizen. Otherwise, YOU would likely accept someone named Saddam Hussein as long as he claimed he was a U.S. citizen.
FEDERAL laws do not require the burden of proof to be on any accuser. Ever gotten a letter requesting an audit of your taxes? No proof of wrongdoing is required beforehand.
This is a matter that is of Constitutional significance (yeah, I know you and ByteButt don’t really care about a constitutionally-based government). If you cannot follow the laws laid-out by that document, you should be deported to the land you wish you could live in.
If you are against standards of proof for basic requirements in this country, then don’t call yourself an “American.” You would be better off (and, much more accurate) calling yourself a traitor intent on destroying this country.
“Except for the one requirement in this case that the U.S. Constitution stipulates that one must be a “natural-born citizen” in order to serve as President. Obama MUST prove he is a natural-born U.S. citizen.”
Don’t political parties and the FEC verify candidates’ eligibility?
“FEDERAL laws do not require the burden of proof to be on any accuser. Ever gotten a letter requesting an audit of your taxes? No proof of wrongdoing is required beforehand.”
What part of “in a court of law” did you not read?
Don’t political parties and the FEC verify candidates’ eligibility?
A-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! In short, NO, Rugby.
Didn’t know. SOS does it in Georgia and states often copy Fed’s behavior with stuff like that.
SOS in Georgia didn’t do it when Barack Obama ran for President. Would that she had, maybe we’d see some actual proof of natural-born citizenship.
People who think they can set standards for everyone else are not “American”, Bill. They’re more Stalinist than anything.
Good luck peddling your stupidity. The State of Hawaii has validated his birth in their state, which makes him a citizen. You have nothing except insults to fall back on. But you seem to be good at that, so keep playing to your strengths.
People who think they can set standards for everyone else are not “American”, Bill. They’re more Stalinist than anything.
Riiiight, Byte. Those “founding documents” of these United States were written by pre-historic “Stalinists.” Yeah. Keep inhaling that crack pipe, Byte.
Who is setting the standards for “everyone else”?
That’s just one of the breakdowns in upholding the Constitution which we have in this country—that people have lost sight of the fact that the Constitution sets standards for the government. When Obama became president, he became part of the government, and there are certain rules and requirements forced upon the government that he will have to abide by. If he doesn’t like the rules, then perhaps he simply made a bad career move.
The Stalinist puts NO restraint upon government. Stalin’s only rule is that Stalin does what Stalin wants and doesn’t have to explain himself to anyone.
All in all, it works out (sort of), because one day the Republicans will return to power and predictably do something unconstituional, and soon no one has a leg to stand on. Don’t fret, everyone gets a chance to sleep in the beds they made (ask a Republican who voted for the initial bailout last September—learning a hard lesson on spending now, eh GOP?).
Don’t worry though, there are a handful of us with nothing to lose and more to gain, and will defend the Constitution regardless of who is in power. —Now, there’s a losing battle in a hard fight.
Follow along, @seen.
From Bill, who can’t seem to write anything that’s not angry-sounding:
If you are against standards of proof for basic requirements in this country, then don’t call yourself an “American.”
He’s setting the standard for what’s “American”. And he’s the last person who should be setting the standards for anyone but himself.
Now you see?
So, ByteYou…if you do not wish to use something as benign as a standardized birth certificate to prove someone was born here, describe for us the way YOU would proceed with setting-up that process.
I am ALL eyes for your brilliance.
Once again: the state of Hawaii provided official documentation that he was born there. You have nothing and continue to have nothing. You are a “crazy birther”, and people make fun of you behind your back.
I don’t have that many friends, Byte, and the ones I do have have the BALLS to spend time making fun of me right in front of my eyes.
Everyone else (including you) could die tomorrow and I would not shed one tear in memory.
Finally! You say something that sounds sane. Good for you!
So, is anyone challenging his mother being a U.S. citizen? If she is one, it does not matter where he was born.
If things like this are going to occupy our time, instead of something of substance, you might just want to order your Obama Inaugural Ball 2013 tickets now.
What do you mean 2013 Inaugural Ball? He’s going to abolish elections in 2011.
Oh yeah. Well, what does he think of our new comment system?
I plan to opt for the government-sponsored comment system as soon as it becomes available.
Gotta be better than this. No competition for the comment system here. A public option makes sense.
Look, the new system has its merits, but I think we can all agree there are some serious flaws that need to be addressed. All Americans need to be able to access this information and there is plenty of evaluation needs to be done.
So you are talking about comment rationing?
We could each get so many “comment credits” and sell the ones we don’t use. This could be a real money maker; not for me or you Doug but for some of the others who lurk around here. lol
Look. I think all options are on the table, but what I don’t want to get into, is a premature discussion about what may or may not happen.
Kellie, why not a per comment tax, instead of a hokey system of auctioning off comment credits?
No one would go for a tax! It just wouldn’t be fair.
We should atleast lead them into believing they have a chance of paying nothing or maybe making a few bucks.
I think rationing comments may actually help some of the people out here. Limits the number of times they can say something stupid again and again and….
Don’t be so hard on yourself, 8 bit.
I’ll try to remember that, DD.
However, I’m pretty sure I was clear in using the pronoun “they”. And I never refer to myself in the third person, because that’s way too creepy.
I have been working on referring to myself in the second person plural. A “royal you” of sorts.
Game, Set, Match.
Actually, even if his mother was a citizen, if he was born when he claims, her citizenship would not have made him a citizen if he was born in Kenya, and she would not have been allowed to fly from Kenya at that stage of pregnancy to make it to Hawaii in time for him to be born on U.S. soil.
Please feel free to educate us as to why a baby born anywhere in the world except Kenya to a female US citizen, who has resided at some point in the USA is not automatically a citizen.
Because Communists are exempt from that rule.
Duh.
It is a double strike if he is a radical African nationalist Commie.
Ah. I wonder if communists have to live under this totalitarian comment posting regime.
We should consult Angelina Jolie for the answer.
Were they born to her or where they sold to her?
I’ll try to be clearer: The woman identified by Obama as his American mother was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time — especially if it took place in a foreign country and the man identified as his father, Barack Obama Sr., was a Kenyan citizen. If, as has been claimed, she decided to fly to Hawaii to have little Barry, she would have been denied a ticket, as pregnant mothers that far along were not allowed to fly until after giving birth.
Barack Obama Jr.’s mother is Stanley Ann Dunham, aka Ann Dunham, aka Stanley Ann Obama aka Ann Obama, aka Stanley Ann Soetoro, aka Ann Soetoro.
Barack Obama Jr. was born to Barack Obama Sr., a citizen of Kenya and Stanley Ann Dunham, a citizen of the U.S.
Barack Obama Jr.’s mother, Ann Dunham, divorced Barack Obama Jr’s father in or about 1963 when Barack Obama Jr was two years old.
Then Barack Obama Jr.’s mother, Ann Dunham, married Lolo Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia. Lolo Soetoro legally acknowledged Barack H. Obama, Jr. et al. as his son and/or adopted him.
While Ann Dunham (Soetoro) aka Stanley Ann Soetoro was married to Lolo Soertoro, Barack Obama Jr. was enrolled in the public school in Indonesia as Barry Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen.
On August 20, 1980, Stanley Ann Soetoro, initiated divorce proceedings from Lolo Soetoro in Honolulu, HI. click here to view court docket
When asked, Barack H. Obama, Jr., et al claims he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii however, claims to have been born in two (2) separate hospitals. According to Barack H. Obama’s Kenyan grandmother, Barack, Jr. was born in Mombosa, Kenya and she was present during his birth. The Kenyan Government, claim they have the birthing records of Barack H. Obama, Jr. and the birth delivery records of Ann Obama, from Barack H. Obama, Jr.’s birth in Mombosa, Kenya, however, they have sealed the birth records of Barack H. Obama, et al, birth in Mombosa, Kenya and labled them top secret as a result of the presidential election.
The questions are, “where was Barack Obama Jr. born”? Is Barack Obama, Jr. a/k/a Barry Soetoro still an Indonesian Citizen? What is Barack Obama, Jr. a/k/a Barry Soetoro’s legal name?
Just show us the actual birth certificate, Barry. Otherwise, you may have a few problems in 2012.
Bill,
Obama’s father was already married to a first wife in Kenya and under US law, we do not recognize polygamist marriages, so she would have fell under the unmarried female citizen parent rule which requires only one year of residence.
Further, even if it was a legal marriage, she did indeed live 5 years in the US after age 14, and since this occurred while Obama was a juvenile, he would still be eligible for birth right citizenship. But, luckily, you have until his 21st birthday to challenge his citizenship and have him deported, if I remember the now obsolete Federal law correctly.
How about if you try accepting the results of an election for once? Instead of creating silly justifications to challenge the legitimacy, send better candidates to the general election and stop betraying the nations trust as a party in Congress. Then, perhaps the GOP won’t lose elections like this.
Doug, since you missed the post immediately below, I’ll repost it for you:
A child born of two U.S. residents overseas would be a U.S. citizen, but there are many other rules and provisions that apply when only one parent – as in Obama’s case – is a U.S. citizen.
The law in the 1960s said an American mother couldn’t transmit citizenship to a child unless she had lived 10 years in the U.S. including five after the age of 14. According to the State Department, that’s similar to today’s rule, which requires a mother to live two years after the age of 14 in the U.S.
One WND reader whose name is being withheld to protect his privacy reported that when he adopted his wife’s daughter from a previous relationship in Asia and brought the family to the United States, he was given a “certificate of birth” from the state of Kansas for his daughter.
However, the document cites specifically, “This Certificate is not evidence of United States Citizenship.”
He said the family still has the girl’s original birth certificate from outside the United States.
In adoptions within the United States, new birth certificates routinely are granted citing the adopting parents as biological mother and father, even though there is no blood relationship.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104602
Bill, learn to read.
What you quoted only applied to women married to foreign nationals. In fact, she was not legally married to a foreign national (who already had a wife), so the law that applies is the one for UNMARRIED US women, which stated one year of US residency prior to birth.
Despite that, his mother did live in the US for 5 years following her 14th birthday and prior to Obama turning 18. Under the law at the time, and I believe it is the case now, a parent can confirm birthright citizenship on their children any time before their 18th birthday.
This is IF he was actually born in Kenya. I know you really really really do not want it to be true, but Obama is the legitimately elected President of the Unitied States. No matter how many times you call him “Barry” out of great disrespect, it is not going to change that. The only thing you are going to accomplish is to further marginalize yourself and your causes.
Look, Doug, the solution is pretty simple:
Just show us your actual birth certificate, Barry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKe1V9HGORg
More info: A child born of two U.S. residents overseas would be a U.S. citizen, but there are many other rules and provisions that apply when only one parent – as in Obama’s case – is a U.S. citizen.
The law in the 1960s said an American mother couldn’t transmit citizenship to a child unless she had lived 10 years in the U.S. including five after the age of 14. According to the State Department, that’s similar to today’s rule, which requires a mother to live two years after the age of 14 in the U.S.
One WND reader whose name is being withheld to protect his privacy reported that when he adopted his wife’s daughter from a previous relationship in Asia and brought the family to the United States, he was given a “certificate of birth” from the state of Kansas for his daughter.
However, the document cites specifically, “This Certificate is not evidence of United States Citizenship.”
He said the family still has the girl’s original birth certificate from outside the United States.
In adoptions within the United States, new birth certificates routinely are granted citing the adopting parents as biological mother and father, even though there is no blood relationship.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104602
This puts you guys in the CONTROL CAMP!! Also this whole “pay as you go” and “making money” is a telltale sign of the NEO CONSERVATIVISM!!
LOL!
No. IN a court of law, the burden isn’t on the defendant.
Obama doesn’t have to prove anything. He has to be challenged.
Follow the law, Bill. Or, we’ll send you back to Alabama with your twin.
That is where laws are just sort of like the pirate code, isn’t it? Like guidelines.
You’re just a sore loser who’s trying to win in court what couldn’t be won at the ballot box. hehehe
“So, is anyone challenging his mother being a U.S. citizen? If she is one, it does not matter where he was born.
If things like this are going to occupy our time, instead of something of substance, you might just want to order your Obama Inaugural Ball 2013 tickets now”
(It’s obvious that you haven’t burdened your own time with this subject.)
(Nobody has suggested that this should be the centerpiece of the Republicans’ strategy)
(I didn’t realize bloggers wielded such awsome power)
(It’s still an interesting subject having to do with the legal/court system and the military justice system, the Constitution ect…)
If it is such an interesting subject, then how about you answer why Obama’s mother is the only female US citizen (who has resided in the US at some point) to not confer her citizenship onto her issue?
How about overcoming this very basic flaw in the logic chain before considering this anything other than
fanaticalfantastical.Well… The woman identified by Obama as his American mother was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time — especially if it took place in a foreign country and the man identified as his father, Barack Obama Sr., was a Kenyan citizen.
Where is there an age limit. A parent can confirm citizenship on a child any time until their 18th birthday.
And that should be where is there an age limit on the mother (in a practical sense). She lived 10+ years in the USA before 14, and 5+ years in the USA while Obama was under 18.
But, since her marriage was illegal (she was Kenyan wife #2), she falls under the single parent rule which requires just one year of residency prior to birth.
Doug, that was the law when BHO was born. Simple as that.
Some Republicans don’t have the MOXY to criticize a sitting President. Hey, it’s OK really. I’m ok you’re ok. You matter too. And I’m here to help.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassionate_conservatism
Does anyone think that Hillary, with all her craven ambition and all-consuming desire to defeat Obama, who may I remind you was more than willing to make his upbringing a campaign issue, wouldn’t have found this out? Do you think John McCain wouldn’t have brought it up?
Shhhh…. you’re trying to appeal to logic. This isn’t about logic and it can’t be cured with reality.
No. No one thinks that.
Hillary may have had “craven ambitions,” but that doesn’t mean any of her researchers were as top-notch as they should have been.
Wow Bill. Just wow. You never cease to amaze.
Rugby, and YOU never cease to be completely and totally (I don’t wish to be vague here, or ambiguous in any way…let me know if you are confused) unimpressive 100% of the time.
Congrats on being at the bottom.
It’s nice here with you.
May I join the tyranny of low expectations?
No.
rugby
Since when does “appealing to the masses” or “campaign strategy” have anything to do with what’s really going on?
“Well goooolly Sheriff” Said Gomer Pyle to Barney Fife
Iffin’ that were true doncha think way’da heard about it b’fer now?
What the hell are you talking about?
GF….don’t feel frustrated….MOST things fly right over Rug’s head.
Especially things I never even talked about that people say I did.
Threadjack:
From the L. A. Times:
1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L. A. County has 10.2 million people)are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.
2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.
4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal , whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally
6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.
7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.
8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.
9. 21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking.
10. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish.
(There are 10.2 million people in L. A. County . )
(All 10 of the above are from the Los Angeles Times)
Less than 2 % of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare. Over 70% of the United States ‘ annual population growth (and over 90% of California , Fl orida , and New York ) results from immigration. 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.
We are a bunch of fools for letting this continue
Build a wall around LA County!!!!!!
I think there was a movie about that staring Kurt Russell.
The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes?
Stargate? Big Trouble in Little China?
No, Escape from LA.
No, that’s not it. Good guess, though.
Used Cars? I loved that movie.
Could be coming to a County near you. Look at Hall County, Gwinco.
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