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		<title>By: Doug Deal</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/06/24/wednesday-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-176217</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Deal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure which &quot;jobs&quot; joke you are referring to.  I try to add a bit of humor to everything, so it could likely be anything.

Anyway, I do not care about lust, I do not care what someone is tempted by, but I do care about their choices.  Any man or woman over the legal age who has not committed a felony or otherwise disqualified from office can be governor.  There is nothing special about Sanford.  He did not have to give speech after speech claiming how the GOP had to clean up its act and then run off with a woman he met through an e-mail on the internet.  The problem is that he made a commitment to a family, which apparently has no meaning to you.  Anyone who will betray their family will betray anyone.  

The man lives in a childhood fantasy world, and the simple fact is if you didn&#039;t subscribe to his agenda, you would not be defending him now.  This is the very definition of hypocrisy.

You might like to live in a world where a man&#039;s word is meaningless and where morality plays not part (as long as you like his political beliefs), but I bet few others do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure which &#8220;jobs&#8221; joke you are referring to.  I try to add a bit of humor to everything, so it could likely be anything.</p>
<p>Anyway, I do not care about lust, I do not care what someone is tempted by, but I do care about their choices.  Any man or woman over the legal age who has not committed a felony or otherwise disqualified from office can be governor.  There is nothing special about Sanford.  He did not have to give speech after speech claiming how the GOP had to clean up its act and then run off with a woman he met through an e-mail on the internet.  The problem is that he made a commitment to a family, which apparently has no meaning to you.  Anyone who will betray their family will betray anyone.  </p>
<p>The man lives in a childhood fantasy world, and the simple fact is if you didn&#8217;t subscribe to his agenda, you would not be defending him now.  This is the very definition of hypocrisy.</p>
<p>You might like to live in a world where a man&#8217;s word is meaningless and where morality plays not part (as long as you like his political beliefs), but I bet few others do.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel N. Adams</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/06/24/wednesday-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-176206</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel N. Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DD,
I hope you realize we mostly agree on the mistake itself... it&#039;s just the whole bath water, baby thing... you do get that,  right?

Like your &quot;jobs&quot; joke... maybe I commented too soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DD,<br />
I hope you realize we mostly agree on the mistake itself&#8230; it&#8217;s just the whole bath water, baby thing&#8230; you do get that,  right?</p>
<p>Like your &#8220;jobs&#8221; joke&#8230; maybe I commented too soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel N. Adams</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/06/24/wednesday-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-176202</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel N. Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reality:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boingboing.net/2009/03/18/portraits-of-us-pres.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strike&gt;All&lt;/strike&gt;Some of the Presidents&#039; Girls &lt;/a&gt;

More bad news:
I&#039;ve seen studies with numbers as high as 80% of couples have at least one or both partners who have had an affair.  Most studies put the number at around 50% for both men and women.  Those that have done these studies admit that accurate numbers are difficult due to people still married and/or still in the extra relationship won&#039;t answer the question, even when done anonymously.... I&#039;m just saying.

&lt;i&gt;If it was up to me people who cheat on their spouses would be ineligible for pretty much any position of faith or trust under our government.&lt;/i&gt;

I guess that is where we differ... I don&#039;t see the President as my &quot;Caesar&quot;, combined political  and &quot;faith&quot; leader.  Church and state is separate for me.

So we now know that you would use the litmus test of &quot;lust&quot;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Deadly_Sins&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;  about  &quot;Gluttony&quot;, &quot;Greed&quot;, &quot;Sloth&quot;, &quot;Wrath&quot;, &quot;Envy&quot;, and &quot;Pride&quot;?&lt;/a&gt;

No fatties, right Doug?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reality:<br />
<a href="http://www.boingboing.net/2009/03/18/portraits-of-us-pres.html" rel="nofollow"><strike>All</strike>Some of the Presidents&#8217; Girls </a></p>
<p>More bad news:<br />
I&#8217;ve seen studies with numbers as high as 80% of couples have at least one or both partners who have had an affair.  Most studies put the number at around 50% for both men and women.  Those that have done these studies admit that accurate numbers are difficult due to people still married and/or still in the extra relationship won&#8217;t answer the question, even when done anonymously&#8230;. I&#8217;m just saying.</p>
<p><i>If it was up to me people who cheat on their spouses would be ineligible for pretty much any position of faith or trust under our government.</i></p>
<p>I guess that is where we differ&#8230; I don&#8217;t see the President as my &#8220;Caesar&#8221;, combined political  and &#8220;faith&#8221; leader.  Church and state is separate for me.</p>
<p>So we now know that you would use the litmus test of &#8220;lust&#8221;, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Deadly_Sins" rel="nofollow">  about  &#8220;Gluttony&#8221;, &#8220;Greed&#8221;, &#8220;Sloth&#8221;, &#8220;Wrath&#8221;, &#8220;Envy&#8221;, and &#8220;Pride&#8221;?</a></p>
<p>No fatties, right Doug?</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Deal</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/06/24/wednesday-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-176193</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Deal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If that is the case then he should likely be in jail.  It couldn&#039;t happen to a better example of hypocrisy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If that is the case then he should likely be in jail.  It couldn&#8217;t happen to a better example of hypocrisy.</p>
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		<title>By: rugby</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/06/24/wednesday-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-176191</link>
		<dc:creator>rugby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Problem is the state paid for his trip to Argentina a couple of times.</description>
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		<title>By: Doug Deal</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/06/24/wednesday-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-176185</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Deal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It depends if the back injury was caused by a loose shoe lace or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It depends if the back injury was caused by a loose shoe lace or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Kellie</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/06/24/wednesday-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-176182</link>
		<dc:creator>Kellie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree DD and if he knew he had &quot;feeling&quot; for another woman than he should have had the decency to end his marriage first. I don&#039;t mind if someone is divorced, I do mind if they cheat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree DD and if he knew he had &#8220;feeling&#8221; for another woman than he should have had the decency to end his marriage first. I don&#8217;t mind if someone is divorced, I do mind if they cheat.</p>
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		<title>By: Icarus</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/06/24/wednesday-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-176181</link>
		<dc:creator>Icarus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you feel about &quot;back problems&quot;, Doug?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you feel about &#8220;back problems&#8221;, Doug?</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Deal</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/06/24/wednesday-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-176177</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Deal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perfection?  Cheating on your wife goes far beyond a minor flaw.  If it was up to me people who cheat on their spouses would be ineligible for pretty much any position of faith or trust under our government.  If they cannot be trusted by those they supposed &quot;love&quot;, why are they somehow supposed to be trusted by the government or the voters?

If you want to sew your oats, do it when your 20 or as a private individual, and not the sitting governor of a state.  How insane is this man who had Presidential aspiration to fly off to Argentina to see his mistress for a week while supposed being the head of South Carolina&#039;s government?  This is the type of flighty individual you want in charge of things like the state police or the nuclear button (as President).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perfection?  Cheating on your wife goes far beyond a minor flaw.  If it was up to me people who cheat on their spouses would be ineligible for pretty much any position of faith or trust under our government.  If they cannot be trusted by those they supposed &#8220;love&#8221;, why are they somehow supposed to be trusted by the government or the voters?</p>
<p>If you want to sew your oats, do it when your 20 or as a private individual, and not the sitting governor of a state.  How insane is this man who had Presidential aspiration to fly off to Argentina to see his mistress for a week while supposed being the head of South Carolina&#8217;s government?  This is the type of flighty individual you want in charge of things like the state police or the nuclear button (as President).</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel N. Adams</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/06/24/wednesday-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-176170</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel N. Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DD,
First part, please provide examples of where I&#039;ve used different standards for different folks.  

As for the Character question, I look at totality... and don&#039;t expect perfection... not realistic.

If SC doesn&#039;t want him... I&#039;ll trade him for Perdoofus, Saxby et. al. GA crooked slime ... 

Seriously, I don&#039;t mean to belittle this.  I&#039;m just saying it is not representative of his governance... and that is more important to me in elected officials than personal/private/relationship/family matters.   

ps. said the same about others when it comes to sex scandals... not an issue for me... unless &quot;Maria&quot; got a huge government contract in the deal.... then we can talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DD,<br />
First part, please provide examples of where I&#8217;ve used different standards for different folks.  </p>
<p>As for the Character question, I look at totality&#8230; and don&#8217;t expect perfection&#8230; not realistic.</p>
<p>If SC doesn&#8217;t want him&#8230; I&#8217;ll trade him for Perdoofus, Saxby et. al. GA crooked slime &#8230; </p>
<p>Seriously, I don&#8217;t mean to belittle this.  I&#8217;m just saying it is not representative of his governance&#8230; and that is more important to me in elected officials than personal/private/relationship/family matters.   </p>
<p>ps. said the same about others when it comes to sex scandals&#8230; not an issue for me&#8230; unless &#8220;Maria&#8221; got a huge government contract in the deal&#8230;. then we can talk.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Deal</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/06/24/wednesday-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-176165</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Deal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another example of having one set of standards for people you agree with and another for those you don&#039;t.

If you do not apply them to all, you have no standards, and people like you are the reason we have the pieces of crap we have in Washington.

Character cannot be compartimentalized.  People who have character issues have them through every fiber of their being.  Everything about this affair smacks of a lowlife.  Even his disappearing act as the sitting governor of the state to see some internet fling.  The only thing shocking about this is that she wasn&#039;t 12 years old, or a boy.

No state deserves such a man as governor.  But I bet he can at least tie his own shoes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another example of having one set of standards for people you agree with and another for those you don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>If you do not apply them to all, you have no standards, and people like you are the reason we have the pieces of crap we have in Washington.</p>
<p>Character cannot be compartimentalized.  People who have character issues have them through every fiber of their being.  Everything about this affair smacks of a lowlife.  Even his disappearing act as the sitting governor of the state to see some internet fling.  The only thing shocking about this is that she wasn&#8217;t 12 years old, or a boy.</p>
<p>No state deserves such a man as governor.  But I bet he can at least tie his own shoes.</p>
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		<title>By: fishtail</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/06/24/wednesday-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-176164</link>
		<dc:creator>fishtail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still no response from Nick Ayers to my question regarding his 2006 DUI case. Come clean, Nick. Confession is good for the soul. How did you fix your 2006 DUI ticket? Inquiring minds want to know....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still no response from Nick Ayers to my question regarding his 2006 DUI case. Come clean, Nick. Confession is good for the soul. How did you fix your 2006 DUI ticket? Inquiring minds want to know&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel N. Adams</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/06/24/wednesday-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-176159</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel N. Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Mark Sanford:

I personally don&#039;t care who he&#039;s screwing. It doesn&#039;t affect my life one iota.  Where&#039;s the outrage of our current elected officials whose policies are affecting us... essentially our current leaders ARE screwing US.  I&#039;m not interested in their personally life decisions, I&#039;m interested in their public policy decisions. The standards are being misplaced.  I would fire a carpenter because he was a bad carpenter, not because he was a bad plumber.
I was once informed that a potential candidate I was going to support was an Atheist... I told the informant that that would matter if he wanted to be my preacher... I&#039;m more concerned that he believes in the Constitution, which was relevant to the job he was going for.  We&#039;re going to loose a lot of people that would be good for this country if we continue with the politics of personal destruction and misplaced standards.  Result, we all then get cheated on.

Gov Sanford,
Get your personal life back in order and get back to work.  I&#039;m not willing to over look the good you&#039;ve done, because of this unwise personal screw-up.  Granted, you made you trek more difficult, but I don&#039;t believe it has to or should end.

cc jasonpye.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Mark Sanford:</p>
<p>I personally don&#8217;t care who he&#8217;s screwing. It doesn&#8217;t affect my life one iota.  Where&#8217;s the outrage of our current elected officials whose policies are affecting us&#8230; essentially our current leaders ARE screwing US.  I&#8217;m not interested in their personally life decisions, I&#8217;m interested in their public policy decisions. The standards are being misplaced.  I would fire a carpenter because he was a bad carpenter, not because he was a bad plumber.<br />
I was once informed that a potential candidate I was going to support was an Atheist&#8230; I told the informant that that would matter if he wanted to be my preacher&#8230; I&#8217;m more concerned that he believes in the Constitution, which was relevant to the job he was going for.  We&#8217;re going to loose a lot of people that would be good for this country if we continue with the politics of personal destruction and misplaced standards.  Result, we all then get cheated on.</p>
<p>Gov Sanford,<br />
Get your personal life back in order and get back to work.  I&#8217;m not willing to over look the good you&#8217;ve done, because of this unwise personal screw-up.  Granted, you made you trek more difficult, but I don&#8217;t believe it has to or should end.</p>
<p>cc jasonpye.com</p>
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		<title>By: rightofcenter</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/06/24/wednesday-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-176157</link>
		<dc:creator>rightofcenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Religious left:
Google Jim Wallis and you&#039;ll get a good idea.  Or the powers that be in the Episcopal Church.  Or the United Methodist Church.  Or the Presbyterian Church USA.  Personally I prefer the Religious Middle of the Road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Religious left:<br />
Google Jim Wallis and you&#8217;ll get a good idea.  Or the powers that be in the Episcopal Church.  Or the United Methodist Church.  Or the Presbyterian Church USA.  Personally I prefer the Religious Middle of the Road.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel N. Adams</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/06/24/wednesday-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-176146</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel N. Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surprised this wasn&#039;t followed by a gamut of witticisms.  Too soon, I guess... it&#039;s what kept me away (that and being &quot;witless.&quot;)  

btw, I enjoyed it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surprised this wasn&#8217;t followed by a gamut of witticisms.  Too soon, I guess&#8230; it&#8217;s what kept me away (that and being &#8220;witless.&#8221;)  </p>
<p>btw, I enjoyed it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dash Riptide</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/06/24/wednesday-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-176144</link>
		<dc:creator>Dash Riptide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you think men can ever stop thinking with the other brain, you really don&#039;t understand us at all. Sooner or later we learn not to let the other brain have whatever it wants, because it&#039;s not a recipe for a happy life. But it never stops trying to think for us. Making the right choices in spite of himself is what makes a good man good. If a man is &quot;blessed&quot; not to have that inner struggle with his other brain, he probably won&#039;t have the drive to go far in life. That&#039;s just how it is in a man&#039;s world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you think men can ever stop thinking with the other brain, you really don&#8217;t understand us at all. Sooner or later we learn not to let the other brain have whatever it wants, because it&#8217;s not a recipe for a happy life. But it never stops trying to think for us. Making the right choices in spite of himself is what makes a good man good. If a man is &#8220;blessed&#8221; not to have that inner struggle with his other brain, he probably won&#8217;t have the drive to go far in life. That&#8217;s just how it is in a man&#8217;s world.</p>
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		<title>By: John Konop</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/06/24/wednesday-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-176138</link>
		<dc:creator>John Konop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is that dog years?</description>
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		<title>By: LoyaltyIsMyHonor</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/06/24/wednesday-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-176136</link>
		<dc:creator>LoyaltyIsMyHonor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Must mean Scientologists...or worse, Catholics :o</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Must mean Scientologists&#8230;or worse, Catholics <img src='http://www.peachpundit.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Morris</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/06/24/wednesday-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-176127</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My point, Aubie, is that some elected officials are going to fail and turn out to be hypocrites.  This doesn&#039;t mean the whole party can&#039;t stand by its principles--we just have to hold our own to the standards we claim.

I haven&#039;t seen the Democrats holding their own elected officials to the environmental standard their party claims, and the same could be said for their claimed standards on helping the poor, paying taxes, ending racism/sexism, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point, Aubie, is that some elected officials are going to fail and turn out to be hypocrites.  This doesn&#8217;t mean the whole party can&#8217;t stand by its principles&#8211;we just have to hold our own to the standards we claim.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t seen the Democrats holding their own elected officials to the environmental standard their party claims, and the same could be said for their claimed standards on helping the poor, paying taxes, ending racism/sexism, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Kellie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kellie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big news - Icarus will be 40 tomorrow!
Happy Birthday Icky!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big news &#8211; Icarus will be 40 tomorrow!<br />
Happy Birthday Icky!</p>
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