While pandering to the religious nuts in the GOP Primary
Oxendine Says Put Family Values First; Opposes Attempt to Legalize Sunday Sales
ATLANTA – Insurance Commissioner John Oxendine, a 2010 candidate for the GOP nomination for Governor, today announced he will oppose any legislative attempts to legalize Sunday sales of alcohol in the 2009-10 term of the General Assembly.
“Republicans are supposed to be the party of family values. Where is the value in selling alcohol on the Lord’s Day?” Oxendine asked.
Georgia lawmakers are considering legislation to allow Sunday package sales and in grocery stores on Sundays. Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle has said he would allow a vote on the issues in the state Senate.
Oxendine said he will join Gov. Sonny Perdue, the Georgia Christian Alliance, the Christian Coalition of Georgia, the Georgia Baptist Convention, and the Georgia Council on Moral and Civic Concerns opposing Sunday sales.
“I am proud to join hands with them and thousands of other Faith leaders and lay people all across Georgia of so many denominations who have taken a strong stand against Sunday sales in Georgia,” Oxendine said. “I share the disappointment of many in the Faith Movement in Georgia that certain elected officials have moved away from the position they promised to support during their campaigns once they were in office.
“Unlike certain elected officials, I will keep my promise on this important issue of safety and Faith.”
Yes, once more John Oxendine is pandering the the mob in opposing Sunday Sales legislation. The legislation would allow counties to hold a referendum on the issue. God-Hating liberals in Atlanta could decide to permit Sunday Sales, while the upright citizens of Crawford could vote to prohibit them.
And while “Republicans are supposed to be the party of family values.”, Republicans are also supposed to be the party of free-markets. Beyond the gibberish written in a dusty old book, where is the value subverting the free market in this way? Unless his major donors are the rent-seeking liquor stores who don’t want the competition to be able to sell Beer and Wine on Sunday.
Updated to add a disclosure: Chris Farris is Chairman of the Republican Liberty Caucus of Georgia which has endorsed Sunday Sales for the past three sessions.
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I’m a Christian first and foremost. However, I am 100% for Sunday Sales. No religious group should be allowed to enforce their supreme will on the majority. The Religious Right has become a cancer on the Republican Party. The party used to stand for civil liberties and freedom for all. Where is that now?
I would love everyone to be a Christian, but you cannot legislate morality. Georgia should stop trying to legislate morals into its citizens and start upholding its and the US’s Constitution.
You have GOT TO BE KIDDING ME! I can kill my kid inutero up to 9 months pregnant in Georgia, but I can’t buy a beer on Sunday. (Well, at least the Presbyterians and Catholics are serving wine on Sundays).
This state is screwed. Has the entire governing body been lobotomized? Every righteous, holy, evangelical lines up to support an alcohol sales ban, feels good about themselves and squeaky clean, but where are these people on Saturday morning when women all over Atlanta line up to have their living, feeling babies ripped out of their wombs piece by piece, reassembled on the other side, and then tossed in the garbage or sold to research firms?
The church is busy talking to itself on Sunday morning, when it is desperately needed in the streets on Saturday morning. These women are in crisis, they need help, these children need help, and we are busy throwing our weight, prestige and money at alcohol sales on Sundays.
The church is where it has always been. Self-righteous and impotent. Salt that has lost its savor.
Note: When Jesus was in the synagogue, he was blasting the church leadership. When He was shepherding, He was IN THE STREETS.
Have you people ever witnessed freshly post-abortive women? They are going to need a drink Sunday morning.
Um, Shep, would you say that this sort of comment does not lead to bridge building?
But can you get an Abortion on Sunday?
“Has the entire governing body been lobotomized? ”
No, but we’re trying as fast as we can.
The next thing you know we will see a bill banning Super Bowl Sunday! BTW the thought police were watching if you had a drink during, before or after the game. All judgments will be sent via e-mail or rain storms via the current economic conditions.
“No, but we’re trying as fast as we can.”
LOL.
Thank you for the comic relief. I was really getting angry there. Calming down. This Jack Daniels is delicious.
“Has the entire governing body been lobotomized? ”
No, apparently just Oxendine.
Well, that I know. In general, if Shep is supporting the candidate, the skull contents of the candidate are not all there.
Until, of course, Shep supports McBerry for Governor.
Georgia is a modern day version of the town in “Footloose” without the kick ass dance moves by Kevin Bacon. Perdue a more rotund John Lithgow and Oxendine is that crazy man who was burning all the books. Footlooseville was lucky because they were able to break loose from the dance nazis in 1984. 25 years later, most of the population of this state is still shackled by the opinions of the few.
Jenny,
Last I checked Shep supports Shafer for LG, and he supported Casey for LG in 2006. So he can pick decent candidates.
Good point about Shafer. I was trying to goad Shep a bit so he’d come out and play in the sandbox. But then again, did Shafer vote in favor of SB 31?
Mmmmm….
“Every righteous, holy, evangelical lines up to support an alcohol sales ban” on Sunday.
Jenny is a good sport about things and I hope she doesn’t mind me taking her words and extending them somewhat.
Every righteous, holy, evangelical lines up with the liquor lobby to support an alcohol sales ban on Sunday.
The liquor stores, the liquor lobby and the evangelicals united for a common cause.
Jenny, you funny.
Cagle seems to be neutral, but with a “*” on his neutrality. Jim Galloway covered it here: http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/shared-blogs/ajc/politicalinsider/entries/2009/01/09/cagle_the_governors_race_and_s.html?cxntfid=blogs_political_insider
I guess from Jenny that Ray is for self determination.
Karen Handel is not on the record.
Austin Scott is not on the record, at least as far as I know.
As the Vice-Chairman of the Republican Liberty Caucus of Georgia, I will echo my Chair’s statement on the matter. Furthermore, when I served as State Chairman of the Georgia Young Republicans, I was also very much on record for supporting county self determination. We have discussed it internally and the current administration of the YRs will carry forward the organization’s official support of the legislation.
There is no candidate that can run who I will agree with every stance, unless I am the candidate.
Here Ox and I don’t see eye-to-eye.
“Beyond the gibberish written in a dusty old book…”
While I agree with the hypocisy of Oxendine and others opposed to Sunday sales, this comment is not effective when trying to debate them. I am a Christian and I don’t think God really cares whether you buy a beer on Sunday and drink it in a restaurant or at a store and take it home. You can say whatever you want and I am not “offended,” however, you won’t win anyone over with this tone.
Hi, Shep.
Jenny – committee votes usually aren’t roll call votes. I don’t know how the good chairman voted (if as Chairman he did at all)
Hey Jen, what’s up?
Chris, I’m pretty much right there with you. But luke is correct, that comment was unnecessary and counter-productive. Especially when followed up by the disclosure regarding the group you head. It that your idea of a membership drive?
Do you guys have regular meetings, by the way? Why don’t I ever hear about them?
Wouldn’t Shafer only have voted if there was a tie in the committee???
The Ox should put on a turbin and run for office in Saudi Arabia. His anti-freedome philosophy would be a good fit there.
I would have commented on Chris’s comment, but I think the fact that his 8 year old step-daughter has a crush on me is enough punishment for him.
Oh, that is harsh. And your picture with that particular smart ass grin goes perfectly.
Not much is up. Except this huge pile of research which I must churn into business plans, strategies and articles. It’s much more fun hanging out with you guys, but I’m going to have to exert some self-discipline and get to work.
And how is it handing out government money, today? Could you throw some my way for Alovita?
It would be fun to get the government to fund all my undercover revolutionary activities. LOL.
I dunno, Bill. I left a message on his FB Wall, but have yet to hear back…..
She doesn’t like Oxendine either.
Time for her to start rebelling against her parental authorities!
No wonder you never invite me over anymore.
Smart ass grin? Jenny, can’t I just be a happy person?
That would make you boring…..
She is 8 not 12. That time is coming….
Luke,
Could you point out to me where in that Book it is written that thou shall not consume alcohol on the Day of Rest?
Please cite the originator of the Book you refer to (e.g., King James Five, etc.) and chapter and verse in which it speaks directly to the concept of it being forbidden to drink alcohol/buy alcohol on the Day of Rest.
Sunday Alcohol Bans – uniting Baptists and bootleggers for since 1872
I am 100% for Family values and 100% against Sunday Sales. I’m also a Christian Conservative and my support is strongly with Ox. The inane Anti-Ox posts by Farris show me that Farris is, indeed, dumb as an Ox(mammal). Ox is bursting with intellegence. He’s so smart I could hug him.
I’m beginning to think a certain someone is finally ready to come out of the closet.
I’m beginning to think a certain someone is finally ready to come out of the closet.
Chris “Dumb as an Ox” Farris?
Okay, then. No rush.
Just The Facts!
Facts about Tithing
You may be shocked to learn that in a key Old Testament passage where tithing (the practice of donating 10% of one’s income for religious use) is discussed, God says in Deuteronomy 14:25-26:
25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose:
26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,
I mentioned the above to show that these churches that falsely teach that one MUST give 10% of their income to the (their) church is 100% off the mark.
This attitude/false doctrine has kept many Christians from giving help to places and charities in the world where it could be most needed–that may help further our 3rd commission Jesus left with us –spread the Gospel around the world.
Jesus Was NOT a Teetotaler
Before those of you look down on us Christians who drink occassionally, consider the fact that Jesus Himself drank alcoholic beverages… Also, remember that Paul advised Timothy to take wine to ease stomach pains…
The ancient Jews were a temperate people—temperate used in the right sense. They used light wine as part of the regular diet.
The New Testament nowhere says the Jews claimed Jesus (as the Messiah) should have been a teetotaler. Wine was used also at weddings, and our Lord clearly approved of the practice of wine drinking since he made wine from water when the wine was depleted at Cana (John 2:1–11).
In (1 Tim. 3:8) we clearly see with the word “much wine” it is understood that drinking wine is exceptable.
“Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;”
We’re also told in Proverbs 31:6-7, “Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts. Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.”
Jesus, you will recall, was called a wine-drinker (Matt. 11:19), the charge being not that he drank, but that he drank too much. Of course that charge of being gluttonous and a winebibber (drinking too much) was false regarding Jesus! The charge itself is recorded in Scripture, and it does reflect the fact that Jesus did drink alcoholic beverages, such as the wine that was required for use in the Jewish Passover seder.
Matthew 11:19 reads: “The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.”
Also, something seldom referred to by strict Christian groups is wine’s medicinal uses (Luke 10:34). You will recall that Paul advised Timothy to take wine to ease stomach pains (1 Tim. 5:23).
http://bibleprobe.com/archive/messages/310.html
Why do people continue to use a version of the Bible using language that has been outdated for hundreds of years? The original text was written in Greak and other ancient languages, not middle English. If it can be translated once, it can be translated again.
Let me know if you find anyone speaking Greak.
Let me know if you find anyone speaking Greak.
That is spelled Greek. Proving once more, you’re as dumb as an Ox(mammal).
Does not grok
Bill Simon,
I think you read my message wrong. If you look again, I say I am a Christian who doesn’t think God cares about whether we consume Beer and Wine on Sundays, or any other day of the week. My point was only that calling our Bible “gibberish” from “a dusty old book” isn’t healthy dialogue and doesn’t win anyone over to his argument.
North Ga Indy
I have always been one to take substance over style! And you never responded to the substance I posted. I wonder why?
John,
Because he is a troll. Why do you interact with him?
Doug
Did they get the wine part right via translation? I hope so if not I have a lot of wine for sale!
Well, the old testament is Hebrew, which has “brew” as it’s root, so I take that for what it’s worth.
Doug Deal
Good point as usual!
Doug Deal
Hold on are you saying beer only?
Is there is any legislator (Steve? Jill?) out there willing to submit a bill that adds the following to the current Code § 3-3-7 (c) (2)?
..convention centers, as defined by local municipalities to the businesses allowed Sunday beer and wine sales only.
It only affects (I think) Atlanta and any other city over 300,000, so the rural areas would be ‘protected’.
These small businesses can offer taxed champagne wine or beer to clients those who wish to be married and have a reception on the alleged “Lord’s Day™”
After all, this would encourage more marriages, which is a Family Value™! The Churches™ should not oppose it because their buildings are not available for weddings on Sundays, and certainly not legally allowed to sell of give away wine or champagne for nuptials!
I will give that legislature as much of my award winning and most awesome delicious (ask Tommy!) pork bbq as allowed by ethics laws in eternal gratitude. Or not. But it would clear up a gray area of alcohol sold or given away on Sunday private events.
Nindy isn’t a troll. He is none other than Mr. Edward Hyde. The mystery remains is thus: Who created this monster and who is the alter ego, Dr. Jekyll.
JK,
The same process that makes beer makes wine, just no distillation is allowed.
Doug
Thank You man I was in a panic! So I can drink both!
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