In less than a week the State Legislature will return to Atlanta (run for your lives!). In addition to the new laws that will be considered, many Legislators will consider their own political futures. Several officials have made their intentions known, but many others have not. I thought it might be fun to throw some names out there for consideration:
GOP Governor: We know about Lt. Governor Casey Cagle and Insurance Commissioner Oxendine. Will SoS Karen Handel jump in? How about Herman Cain? Who else might jump in?
Dem. Governor: David Poythress is out there and many think former Gov. Roy Barnes may attempt a comeback. How about Rep. Dubose Porter? Anyone else?
GOP Lt. Governor: Senators Eric Johnson and David Shafer are both running hard. I doubt anyone else gets in this race. Agree?
Dem. Lt. Governor: I haven’t heard any names. Who’s out there? Surely a Democrat Senator wants this job.
Secretary of State: If Karen Handel runs for Governor, who will seek the open seat? I’ve heard of at least one State Rep. who is thinking about it. What are the rumors out there?
Insurance Commissioner: Who will seek this open seat? Again, I know of a State Rep. thinking about it whose name I’m not a liberty to share.
Attorney General/Agriculture/Labor/Education/PSC: Who wants to take on Thurbert Baker/Tommy Irvin/Michael Thurmond/Kathy Cox or a PSC Board Member?
Also, with Senators Cagle, Johnson and Shafer creating open seats, who might seek those seats?
UPDATE: As drjay mentioned, Politics1 has a list of potential candidates. Here’s the link, and here is there list of potential Governor and Lt. Governor candidates:
GOVERNOR:
[ George "Sonny" Perdue (R)* - Term Limited in 2010. ]
Casey Cagle (R) – Lt. Governor, Ex-State Sen. & Businessman
Karen Handel (R) – Secretary of State, Ex-Fulton County Commission Chair, Ex-Gubernatorial Aide & Ex-Lobbyist
Johnny Isakson (R) – US Senator, Ex-Congressman, Ex-State Sen., Businessman & ’90 Candidate
Sam Olens (R) – Cobb County Commission Chair & Attorney
John Oxendine (R) – State Insurance Commissioner
Lynn Westmoreland (R) – Congressman, Ex-State House Minority Leader & Home Builder
Roy Barnes (D) – Ex-Governor, Ex-State Sen., Ex-State Rep. & Attorney
Tim Golden (D) – State Sen., Ex-State Rep. & Ex-Congressional Aide
Denise Majette (D) – Ex-Congresswoman, Ex-District Judge, ’04 US Senate Nominee & ’06 State School Supt. Candidate
DuBose Porter (D) – State House Minority Leader, Newspaper Editor & Attorney
David Poythress (D) – Ex-State Adjutant General, Retired Army Lt. General & ’98 Candidate
Michael Thurmond (D) – State Labor Commissioner, Ex-State Rep. & Attorney
Sam Hay III (Write-In) – Environmental Activist, Retired Businessman & ’02 CandidateLIEUTENANT GOVERNOR:
[ Casey Cagle (R)* - Candidate for Governor in 2010. ]
Eric Johnson (R) – State Senate President
David Shafer (R) – State Sen., Ex-State GOP Executive Director & ’96 Sec. of State Nominee
Denise Majette (D) – Ex-Congresswoman, Ex-District Judge, ’04 US Senate Nominee & ’06 State School Supt. Candidate
Michael Meyer von Bremen (D) – Ex-State Sen., Attorney & ’08 State Court of Appeals Candidate
Jim Powell (D) – Retired US Dept. of Energy Official, Navy Veteran & ’08 State PSC Candidate
Leah Ward Sears (D) – State Supreme Court Chief Justice
Michael Thurmond (D) – State Labor Commissioner, Ex-State Rep. & Attorney
Allen Buckley (Libertarian) – Attorney, Accountant , ’06 Nominee & ’04 US Senate Nominee
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Bill is 100% political! Bill is addicted to politics. Bill calls it a disease.
So ALL his beliefs come from secular ideas and he believes he/ the State is God.
Jenny
You are over the top about abortion. If people would stop fighting over this at every election maybe some other things would get done. That goes along with your “big bureaucracy government” statement. Government needs to be out of this and many other things.
I am a woman. I am against using abortion as birth control and I am against late term abortions. I am also against nuts stopping people who are trying to go into a clinic. You don’t know anything about those women or what caused them to get to that point. You go there to yell and try to make them feel even worst about what they are going through. It is not illegal but you want to make her feel like a murderer. Why not show some compassion? If you did that instead of acting like a maniac, you may get more people to your cause.
My point was that Bill does have a soul because he waffles around the horror of murdering an innocent human being AND he waffles around telling a woman, too bad. You are going to stay pregnant and give birth to that baby.
Jenny, for sheer simplicity’s sake, let’s take your statement (wherever it occured) that the cortex forms at 7 weeks (I’m not saying I agree with you, but for the sake of this particular argument, let’s take it as a fact).
If the cortex does not form and become functional until 7 weeks, that means that it is not an “innocent human being” until 7 weeks. It may have tiny, tiny legs, hands, etc….but it has NO MIND in existence until that cortex forms and becomes functional.
So, up until your random 7 weeks, it isn’t a “baby”. And, therefore, you should have no problem with abortions up to that point.
Do you have a problem with abortions before your 7 weeks?
(Whereas, Peach, on the other hand, has her cortex melting away every moment.)
Jesus came to save Bill but Bill thinks he is Jesus and THAT is a reall problem.
Riiiight, except Jesus came in the form of Ralph Reed and Cindye Coates…two proven political frauds. So, as long as those types of folks represent “Jesus”, I’ll stick with Judaism.
And, Peach? Thank you for demonstrating you are NOT a Jew, converted or otherwise. You’re a religious fraud and you will be going to spend eternity in HELL.
Bill
I believe a woman must be at least 8 weeks before she can have one, it is too small to even find before then. The first 4 weeks are just time counted from the last menstrual cycle. Not actual pregnancy time, just the time she got pregnant within.
So, there should be no problem with the RU-486 pill, right?
I don’t have a problem with it.
Cagle has crazy-eyes, and Oxendine doesn’t wear socks.
Look at them, you’ll see I’m right.
“Cagle has crazy-eyes”
That’s because he’s always confused.
“Oxendine doesn’t wear socks.”
He’s always on vacation, which explains why he has no control over the crap insurance companies are pulling.
Let me get this straight – if someone is small, or has a missing body part, he or she is not a human being?
“I am against using abortion as birth control and I am against late term abortions.”
Why?
Let me get this straight – if someone is small, or has a missing body part, he or she is not a human being?
Taft, no, that is not what was said.
I don’t think people should go without birth control if they don’t want kids. Sometime things happen and everyone situation is different so who am I or you to tell them they must carry to full term.
What if the child will not live after birth and we know this at 20 weeks but we make the woman carry another 15 to 20 weeks just because we think that’s the “right thing” to do. If she ends the pregnancy at 20 weeks she will have the chance to try again 3 months later but if you have your way she’ll still be pregnant with a child that won’t live. And this is a situation where a child is wanted but won’t survive.
This happened to my sister. She was pregnant and at 20 weeks they discovered all the organs were developing outside of the baby’s body.
Bill – Cindye Coates is NOT a “political fraud” – whatever the hell that is. You have some of the most outlandish and vulgar statements known to man. Maybe I should let Sheriff Warren know about this statement to add to your file. You are walking on thin ice. I suggest you cease and desist.
Now for the record folks – Here is VIDEO that clearly shows the development of a human fetus. You can “believe” that Georgia is north of Kentucky but that will not change the facts!
FETAL DEVELOPMENT – MEDICAL VIDEO –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eelyg_k5iw&feature=related
Upon 3 weeks – there is a HEART!
Oh and Bill – I have NEVER said I was a Jew. My children have a Messianic Jewish father. We hold fast to our Judeo – Christian roots.
We can NEVER deny our Jewish History but we believe that Jesus ( Yeshuah) is the Messiah of the Jewish people. You should learn of this. It would answer a lot of questions. http://jewsforjesus.org/
“Taft, no, that is not what was said.”
Well, the cortex isn’t fully formed yet (missing a body part)… so it’s okay to kill it…
And umust said, “I believe a woman must be at least 8 weeks before she can have one, it is too small to even find before then. The first 4 weeks are just time counted from the last menstrual cycle. Not actual pregnancy time, just the time she got pregnant within.”
Actually, you may be right on that one, Bill. I can’t really figure out what she is saying there.
I am saying a woman needs to be 8 weeks along in the pregnancy before she can terminate it. Do you understand how the menstrual cycle works or should I go into detail?
Taft,
Is a “soul” or, even a “mind,” a “body part?”
We ARE a Spirit.
We HAVE a Soul.
We LIVE in a Body.
there is a HEART!
“Primative” heart, as in “not a” heart. Like “virtually” free is “not” free. I will give you that there is no “almost” or “slightly” pregnant.
Daniel – We are taking about SEEDS!
We can look at a SUNFLOWER SEED : http://www.georgedingwall.co.uk/images/SunflowerSeed_01.jpg and say – THAT IS NOT A SUNFLOWER because a SUNFLOWER LOOKS LIKE THIS: http://www.humeseeds.com/mmth_sunf.jpg
When ever we eat sunflower seeds we are eating a potential seed-bearing sunflower. Once the seed is eaten – No more flowers from that linage. This is the BIG PICTURE! We think a seed is not a flower just like we think a human fetus is not a baby. If we ate all the “unplanned seeds” we would rob ourselves of a plentiful harvest. If we rid the “unplanned human fetuses” we rob ourselves of a nation.
And we wonder why we are being overtaken by illegals.
Daniel – We are taking about SEEDS!
We can look at a SUNFLOWER SEED and say – THAT IS NOT A SUNFLOWER because a SUNFLOWER LOOKS LIKE ONE!
When ever we eat sunflower seeds we are eating a potential seed-bearing sunflower. Once the seed is eaten – No more flowers from that linage. This is the BIG PICTURE! We think a seed is not a flower just like we think a human fetus is not a baby. If we ate all the “unplanned seeds” we would rob ourselves of a plentiful harvest. If we rid the “unplanned human fetuses” we rob ourselves of a nation.
And we wonder why we are being overtaken by illegals.
Daniel – We are taking about SEEDS!
We can look at a SUNFLOWER SEED and say – THAT IS NOT A SUNFLOWER because a SUNFLOWER LOOKS LIKE A sunflower.
When ever we eat sunflower seeds we are eating a potential seed-bearing sunflower. Once the seed is eaten – No more flowers from that linage. This is the BIG PICTURE! We think a seed is not a flower just like we think a human fetus is not a baby. If we ate all the “unplanned seeds” we would rob ourselves of a plentiful harvest. If we rid the “unplanned human fetuses” we rob ourselves of a nation.
And we wonder why we are being overtaken by illegals.
wooooah that got posted a few times…. Maybe God is trying to tell us all something.
it is amazing how not even close to what the post was about the comments in this thread have become…
Um, wow, you guys really got busy on this conversation while I was at student enrichment. Sheesh. Got to see Boyce–he’ll be one on Jan. 21st! I was on my knees at Atlanta Surgi Center in the parking lot begging for his life. And no, I was not yelling at his mama, umustbekidding, I was telling her that I would help her, encourage her, be there for her.
Today I taught 6 of her children in student enrichment, and then I fixed lunch for the children–Polish sausage, cabbage, potatoes and carrots.
I took her children home, and tomorrow morning I will picking them up for church. After church I fix the family (and the rest of the church) lunch.
Occasionally I let someone have it at the abortion mill. It depends on the situation. But I recognize that these women are just as much victims as the baby within.
I believe that life begins in the mind of God, Bill. God stated in Jeremiah 1:5- “Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you. And before you were born, I consecrated you.”
And any of you that believe in life and liberty, well, it has to come from God. Otherwise it comes from civil government, and what they can give, they can take. To extinguish human life, which emerges in the moment sperm and egg meet, is to murder an image bearer, but it is also to steal the right to life and liberty granted by our Creator, as stated in the Declaration of Independence.
If you want to keep egg and sperm from hooking up, great. I have no problem with that. You can go with the invasive methods, which have negative side effects and are costly. “The pill” does not do that. 81% of women ovulate on the pill. It causes the lining of the uterus to thin– to 3 mm, a condition in which an embryo cannot implant. This “would” make the pill an abortifacient except that the American Medical Association changed the definition of pregnancy a few years back so that now you aren’t pregnant until the embryo implants.
On another discussion thread, I detailed a very simple, free way to cause male sterilization temporarily (6-9 months of sterilization) and without any negative side effects. It was on the Kikki/Bambi thread, or something like that.
Anyone who touts their personal liberty, and believes tyranny is injustice, is being inconsistent if they refuse to recognize that such liberty must be granted by He who gives life, an authority above all others. King of kings and Lord of lords.
Remove God from the equation, and it’s survival of the fittest. So quit your complaining and rule or be ruled.
That’s just my “in a nutshell” opinion.
drjay- hummm …. dominoes falling… This is where “The Dominoes” AKA Candidates must eventually land… LIFE vs. DEATH! Pretty cut & dry. All else is frivolous and meaningless without a BODY ( litteraly) politic.
Jenny,
I think I’ll choose to rule over being ruled.
Well –
THAT was GOD’s Original Intent!
Gen. 1: . 26 And God said: ‘Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.’ 27 And God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them. 28 And God blessed them; and God said unto them: ‘Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that creepeth upon the earth.’ </b. 29 And God said: ‘Behold, I have given you every herb yielding seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed–to you it shall be for food….. WOW the SEED concept again!!
GOPeach,
That “all or nothing” and “100% with me or against me” attitude of yours dooms you to failure and keeps a lot of sympathizers on the sidelines. Congratulations!
Daniel – So where do we compromise?
I usually shy away from this argument, because I don’t have a specific answer to that question. But I do believe it is at the point where science and faith can support your arguments. When you exclude one or the other you loose too many well intended people.
Icarus (or someone), please start the abortion thread that I think you and Jenny agreed to… or declare this it so the discussion can continue without the fear of being reprimanded
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Daniel – Shying away from the argument will keep you and Libertarians on the sidelines. Be hot or cold. Luke warm – Not good! I agree that we must start a new thread -
Libertarians realize we should be arguing about other things. This gets us nowhere which is a problem even within the Republican Party. As soon as the GOP makes abortion a major part of their platform they lose any chance of winning over any independents.
There are extremist on both sides of this fight. Then there are the rest of us, which makes up most of America and we want the extremist to leave us alone.
It’s about being pre-suppositionally consistent. Abortion is merely a symptom of inconsistency in the view of what life and liberty is and where it comes from.
BINGO umbk,
That is what most are “hot” on, being against the two extremes on this issue. Abortion will never be legalized to the extent that it can be a form of contraception to be performed on a whim for any reason during the entire term of a normal pregnancy. And abortion will never be completely outlawed or eliminated until all unwanted pregnancies can be eliminated. Most believe that sometimes it is murder and sometimes there are circumstances where it should be allowed. And most believe that currently there are more important issues that face this country.
I’m not saying to stop fighting for what you believe. But I believe your issue will be better served if you set targets incrementally that concur with your faith and has supporting scientific evidence for the reason stated in my last comment.
Jenny,
Agnostics and Athiest (and even some “believers”) belieive that Life and Liberty as well as Free Will is the “Natural” state and therefore are consistant.
(I understand this is a symplistic statement, but for brievity just wanted you to know that these groups, under their belief structure, are being consistant).
Why doesn’t our state legislation just ban it out right? We have a majority of pro lifers in the state house and Senate. At least they confess to be. I would like to see this legislation introduced. If we put this on the ballot in Georgia abortion would be banned.
GoPeach,” where do we compromise”? Are you out of your mind? We never compromise on truth. That is why Karen Handel is an unaceptable candidate according to Georgia right to life. She welcomed in Planned Parenthood. Compromising on truth only dooms you in the end….
Yes it probably would… but I don’t believe it would reduce the number of abortions. And may not even reduce the number here in GA. Cost to taxpayers for enforcement/imprisonment would be high. And the price of an abortion here in GA would go up but that wouldn’t end it.
Just compare to “the war on drugs.” Legislating morality always produces the same outcome. More crime, more prisoners, higher prices and increased cost. But never gets rid of the thing you want to end.
You have to convince/teach people that it is the right thing for them (as they see it) to end whatever the thing is you want to ban.
If you think something is wrong then don’t do it. As long as your pursuit of life, liberty or happiness does not infringe on mine and vise versa, then we are fine.
umustbekidding–that is fine if you are a pagan and live in NY. But you are in Georgia where the majority of citizens are Christians. As Christians, if we are the ones not actively involved in electing those godly men and women and if people aren’t involved in helping godly men in getting elected than we’re going to have a nation of secular laws. That’s not what our founding fathers intended and that’s certainly isn’t what God intended. So it’s really important that members of the church know people’s stands. It’s really important that they get involved in campaigns. That is why Christians, the definite majority in GOP, will overwhelmingly show and vote for CASEY CAGLE…. umustbekidding, Simon and Adams should move to NY where you belong, darn yankees……..
True Conservative-
NO – I am not out of my mind- I NEVER plan to compromise – PLEASE KNOW IT! I was merely asking Daniel where do we “compromise”. And YES to the BALLOT idea. I have been in this fight before most of you kids were born. I am a looooooooooong time foot soldier in this war. I believe the Good Lord will allow me to see the day when I will see Abortion be banned in Georgia!
We now get back to the AGE OLD ISSUE of STATE RIGHTS…. NOW we need to go back to RON RAUL’s Bills denying the FED’s the Rights to Overthrow our STATE decisions.
Ron Paul refers to his background as an obstetrician as being influential on his view, recalling inadvertently witnessing a late-term abortion performed by one of his instructors during his residency, “It was pretty dramatic for me to see a two-and-a-half-pound baby taken out crying and breathing and put in a bucket.”
During a May 15, 2007, appearance on the Fox News talk show Hannity and Colmes, Paul argued that his pro-life position was consistent with his libertarian values, asking, “If you can’t protect life then how can you protect liberty?”
Furthermore, Paul argued in this appearance that since he believes libertarians support non-aggression, libertarians should oppose abortion because abortion is “an act of aggression” against a fetus, which he believes to be alive, human, and possessing legal rights.
Paul has said that the 9th and 10th Amendments to the U.S. Constitution do not grant the federal government any authority to legalize or ban abortion, stating that “the federal government has no authority whatsoever to involve itself in the abortion issue.”
Paul introduced , The Sanctity of Life Act of 2005 a bill that would have defined human life to begin at conception, and removed challenges to prohibitions on abortion from federal court jurisdiction.
In 2005, Paul introduced the We the People Act , which would have removed “any claim based upon the right of privacy, including any such claim related to any issue of … reproduction” from the jurisdiction of federal courts. If made law, either of these acts would allow states to prohibit abortion. In 2005, Paul voted against restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions.
ROE Vs. WADE is the cog in the wheel – STILL
In order to “offset the effects of Roe v. Wade,” Paul voted in favor of the federal Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003. He has described partial birth abortion as a “barbaric procedure.” He also introduced H.R. 4379 that would prohibit the Supreme Court from ruling on issues relating to abortion, birth control, the definition of marriage and homosexuality and would cause the court’s precedents in these areas to no longer be binding. He once said, “The best solution, of course, is not now available to us. That would be a Supreme Court that recognizes that for all criminal laws, the several states retain jurisdiction.”
TC
I am a Southern Christian. Born and raised here in GA. As a southern I was taught to stay out of peoples business unless it affected me. That is being a good neighbor.
I realize most people here are Christian, not only that, they are Baptist Christians. If only the politicians were actual Christians. So many of them hide behind their “beliefs”. I am scared of the politician who says “I will pray about that” or “I prayed about that and…”
Those are the ones that aren’t praying, they just want everyone to believe that they are getting their answers from God so you better not question them.
Ahhh, good to see another nameless dirtbag like TC show-up on PeachPundit. TC, meet GOPeach. Together, perhaps you can form a more perfect union. You certainly belong together for all of eternity.
Glory to Jesus! Amen!
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