Gwinnett Cops can’t read

December 20, 2008 12:47 pm

by Chris · 100 comments

Gwinnett Cops too stupid to read warrant correctly kill the family dog:

A family in Gwinnett County was outraged Wednesday night after they say police officers shot their beloved dog. The homeowners said the incident happened because police went to the wrong house.

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The homeowner said when police went into the garage she heard three shots. The homeowner said an officer told her they shot the dog and the dog ran off.

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Officer said they were looking for a material witness in a gang member’s trial, but they entered the wrong home. Police entered 1468B, instead of 1468A.

Officers said the dog charged and the officer felt he was in imminent danger and shot the dog.

Of course, one might wonder why the hell these thugs with badges were breaking into the garage if they only needed to talk to a witness. But one shouldn’t question police tactics or how many innocent people are killed by incompetent, corrupt or rogue cops. After all they are protecting the children (at least when they aren’t shooting the children).

HT: The Agitator

umustbekidding December 22, 2008 at 5:25 pm

Blazer
Thank god, a reasonable person who happens to be an officer. Watch out, there are a bunch of cop haters on here.

Debbie, if they don’t get enough money in there law suit, maybe they can sue the gun dealer or better yet, the manufacture. Would that make you feel better?

Chris December 22, 2008 at 7:32 pm

Yup, you get to go home at 6 o’clock and to hell with the damage caused to everyone else.

umustbekidding December 22, 2008 at 8:07 pm

Chris
Are you sure it’s not the gun’s fault?

Dave December 22, 2008 at 10:13 pm

No reasonable person sues a gun manufacturer because of the way their product was handled. Of course folks do it all the time anyway. I assume everyone remembers Columbine. But why try to marginalize the loss the family has suffered by going to the absurd? I have a feeling that once the facts are known, these guys will not only go home AT 6, they’ll be suspended FOR 6 as well, weeks that is.

Game Fan December 22, 2008 at 10:54 pm

blazer
First…
“I hate when people Monday morning quarterback an officer’s action based on a small incomplete and quite often inaccurate news report.”
Then…
“I will give this opinion based on the information that we’ve all seen.”

You may be a good cop but a Perry Mason you’re not. :)

Bill Simon December 22, 2008 at 11:58 pm

UMust,

You said this (repeatedly, I might add): What about the leash law? Should that be ignored?

Here’s the matter at hand: There is a leash law. But, YOUR interpretation of it is that if the police want to enter your property, they have more rights than you do…and, in effect, it becomes no longer YOUR property, but the government’s.

That is what your line of comments appears to be pointing to. That is that we actually live in a police state and if the police bust into a garage, every living thing in that household must immediately hit the ground and cower at the mere sight of blue uniforms.

Bill Simon December 23, 2008 at 12:00 am

Blazer,

You said this: Btw, if the dog charged the officers, by all means do what is necessary to defend himself and the other officers because like I already said, we are going home at 6.

And, what if a 10 year-old child “charged” the officers while waving a baseball bat ? Shoot the kid too?

umustbekidding December 23, 2008 at 6:53 am

Bill, I mentioned the leash law b/c of people were picking the laws they wanted inforced. Like:

“”How about an allegation of criminal trespass and the commission of a crime while in possession of a firearm? Since they were not on the correct property, they were not lawfully there. In the performance of their duties you say? Who gives a s**t, file the charge anyway. How about animal cruelty?”"

Plus, accused them of breaking in. It doesn’t say the broke in anywhere.
I did not say that it was right, just give the police a chance. Yes, some do things wrong but not always. We need more information before we hang him.
Norcross is a bad area with a lot of crime and gangs. Maybe that’s why he had his gun out. WE DON’T KNOW.

debbie0040 December 23, 2008 at 7:19 am

No knock warrants should be used with discretion and the officers should make sure they are at the correct location. The Dalmation was in the garage with the door closed and when the Barney Fife cops opened the door the dog dashed out in his escape. The cops panicked and shot the dog. I am sorry but police officers have a great deal of power and authority and those involved with this incident should not be on the street if they exercise that bad judgement. They killed a beloved family pet.

This is the second time Gwinnett Police have broken into the wrong home in ten days. I am sorry but obviously the GPD officers are not being given proper training. They routinely trample on property rights without punishment. Changes need to occur at the top….

The GPD spokesman had a very cavalier attitude and it was clear it was being swept under the rug. The police had their chance and blew it. They just want it to go away and the spokesman made that clear. I emailed animal rescue groups the story and also posted it on Craig’s List so this will not go away or be swept under the rug.

Blazer, you just proved that the Police cover up for their own. You would be defending police actions even if a child were killed.

A Dalmation is not vicious. They should have use pepper spray but they did not. If a officer is afraid of a gentle Dalmation, then they should not be on a gang task force.

umustbekidding December 23, 2008 at 7:38 am

Debbie
Why don’t you contact the police and find out how this happened first?

And how do you know the garage door was closed? That was not mentioned anywhere.

debbie0040 December 23, 2008 at 8:22 am

“And how do you know the garage door was closed? That was not mentioned anywhere” It was not mentioned anywhere that it was opened either. It is logical that the door was closed. The dog was eating and the homeowners would not have just left the garage door open for the dog to run off.

I know Dalmations are not vicious dogs. I know the GPD did not use due dilligence when exercising a no knock warrant. I know that ten days ago they went to the wrong address on a no knock warrant.

As far as contacting the police, I have called and complained about the incident. The Gwinnett PD made their position clear in the statement issued by their communications person. He came across as arrogant and put the blame on the homeowners.

An officer that exercises as bad judgement as that officer that shot the dog should not be on the street.

blazer December 23, 2008 at 9:08 am

Bill Simon,

Obviously a 10 year old child would not be a threat for charging you. If you add a pistol in the hands of a ten year old child or a butcher knife at close range then obviously it would be a threat.

Basically, a human being is not automatically a deadly force threat however a dog is…

blazer December 23, 2008 at 9:19 am

Debbie,

Anyone who makes a blanket statement that a certain breed of dog is not vicious obviously needs to pull their head out of the ground. I own a Black Lab, not a “vicous breed,” but I’ve been bitten by my own dog before.

Game Fan December 23, 2008 at 9:23 am

A dog is automatically a deadly force threat? How about a teacup Yorkshire?
http://tinyurl.com/5swwu2

Scriven December 23, 2008 at 10:00 am

I normally come down on the side of police enforcement, because they take on a difficult job and do it to the best of their ability. However, there seems to be a systematic problem here that could easily be solved with a few additions to the SOP.

In the case of the GCPD breaking into the wrong house on Spring Valley Drive two simple things could have prevented that mistake. It’s clear that someone in the department had that house under surveillance for a period of time, but no one involved in the surveillance detail was present when the warrant was served. If someone for the detail was there they probably would have pointed out they were breaking into the wrong house. If they were there and still broke into the wrong house they should be fired. The other thing that would have solved this is if someone would have included a picture of the house in the warrant packet.

As far as the home on Pirkle road, a casual glance at the property would have shown two mail boxes. They’re visible from the road. That should have tipped off police that they didn’t have enough information to execute a warrant, but maybe they didn’t care because their shift ended at 11 a.m. and they wanted to “Go home at 6 p.m.”

I’m all for supporting the police, but its pretty clear there are either systemic problems in the GCPD system, or several officers weren’t paying close enough attention to their duties and should be punished accordingly.

Bill Simon December 23, 2008 at 10:19 am

Blazer,

A 10 year-old wielding a baseball bat running at you swinging it cannot be any less of a threat than a barking dog running at you. A dog is much lower to the ground.

debbie0040 December 23, 2008 at 10:20 am

I have two Chihuahuas and I bet the police would have shot them had they trespassed on my property by mistake. The police did not exercise due dilligance in doing their job because they knew they would not be punished for it. There were other ways the police should have handled the situation. They had guns drawn and should have waited to see if the dog attacked them and they then could have shot him. But no, they did not. They were pretty trigger happy and felt they could get away with it.

I usually support the Police but in this they were wrong. What made matters much was the fact, the GPD spokesman was not apologetic at all. He was arrogant and tried to place the blame on the home owners… It underlines the arrogant attitude of the Gwinnett PD…

Bill Simon December 23, 2008 at 10:21 am

Blazer,

So, if you were walking down a street, not on duty, and a dog appeared barking and snarling at you, would you just pull out a gun and shoot it dead?

debbie0040 December 23, 2008 at 10:25 am

The Yellow Jackets killed a bunch of bulldogs Thanksgiving weekend…

Icarus December 23, 2008 at 10:29 am

The police clearly screwed up here, but I am somewhat amazed (though I probably shouldn’t be) at the tone of the indignation here.

I honestly think several of you would prefer the policeman were dead instead of the dalmation.

debbie0040 December 23, 2008 at 10:40 am

UMBK, just for the record, I am not a cop hater. I will not turn a blind eye when they do something wrong either as you do. Some in the blue brotherhood supports police no matter what they do. My neighbor is a 15 year veteran of the Atlanta PD and he will tell you that I am not a cop hater. He had problems with what happened. There are many great cops out there, but unfornately the behaviour of a few sometimes taint the good cops. It does not help matters that the Gwinnett PD just tries to sweep these incidents under the rug and people like you come to the defense when they are clearly in the wrong.

It is tough being a cop, but police should be held to a higher standard because of the authority they hold. Some get into police work to protect and serve and a few get into police work because they have a “god” complex..

In this case, they were wrong. They were wrong ten days prior when they broke into a wrong house while excuting a no knock warrant.

If proper action had taken after that incident ten days ago, this second incident would have never happened because new guidelines and procedures would have been put in place for no knock warrants. As I said, there is clearly a problem with leadership at the top in the Gwinnett PD…

debbie0040 December 23, 2008 at 10:45 am

The indignation here is over the fact the Gwinnett PD screwed up and then tried to blame it on the property owners instead of acknowledging they were wrong and screwed up. They used a no knock warrant improperly by not making sure they were at the right house. The same thing happened again ten days prior. The police are supposed to protect us, but who is supposed to protect us from incompetent police?

Icarus December 23, 2008 at 10:46 am

The dalmation I guess. But he’s dead.

umustbekidding December 23, 2008 at 11:10 am

Debbie – I don’t think this was a no-knock warrant.
I called the GPD this morning to get a copy of the report but it has not been entered into the system yet.
If the officer broke in, opened the garage, or it turns out he shot a dog that was not showing his teeth while jumping towards him, I’ll admit I was wrong and the officer should be fired. But if there is good reason then I hope you will change your mind.
I am just giving him the benefit of the doubt, you already have him executed.

Game Fan December 23, 2008 at 11:19 am

Icarus
If you think this is really just about a Dalmation then you’re an idiot.

debbie0040 December 23, 2008 at 11:22 am

I hope you make your judgement on other factors than the police report. Do you really think anything derogatory about the police will be in it?

As far as bearing their teeth, I have two Chihuahuas that bear their teeth when they bark. Do they deserve to be shot ?

It is hard to give the benefit of the doubt when the GPD communications officer came across as arrogant as he did by putting the blame on the home owners and acting as if they did nothing wrong. The controversary over this could have been avoided if it had been handled properly by the Gwinnett PD.

debbie0040 December 23, 2008 at 11:24 am

Today a Dalamation, tomorrow a child … It is over property rights and the conduct of the police. I would have been screaming if the dog was not killed.
You should not have to worry about the Police coming on to your private property by mistake…

Icarus December 23, 2008 at 11:33 am

Game Fan,

I think I can prove I’m an idiot without the help of a dalmation.

Game Fan December 23, 2008 at 11:39 am

I did say “If”. I hope you’re not that shallow. Here’s something to ponder. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macrocosm_and_microcosm

umustbekidding December 23, 2008 at 11:40 am

Debbie, A little dog is much different than a 70 – 80 lbs. dog.

Icarus December 23, 2008 at 11:44 am

I can do shallow, too.

It helps when dating blonde YRs.

debbie0040 December 23, 2008 at 11:45 am

http://www.theagitator.com/2008/12/20/dead-dog-tales/#comment-221561

#20 | Kathleen | December 22nd, 2008 at 9:57 pm
I am the owner of the dog that got shot. My dog was not a mean dog. He would have never charged at anyone. I was in my kitchen when the incident happened, my dog did not bark or grawl. All that was herd was three gun shots. Yes three gun shots. Two of which put two bullet holes into my house. I dont see why firing three shots at my dog was proper prdocedure. They could of maced, or tasered, or shot up in the air to startle the dog or bring awarness to me that they were there and needing assitance. They took away a family member in our house. he wasnt just a dog, he was our family. my kids are heart broken, and I feel like i lost one of my kids. I would hope that all dog owners will unite and help me defend Kalu’s legacy so this never happens again

rugby fan December 23, 2008 at 12:22 pm

Andre vs. Decaturguy is better than everyone in the world vs. umustbekidding.

umustbekidding December 23, 2008 at 1:53 pm

It doesn’t bother me if this group is against me. Debbie has her mind made up that no matter what happened, the officer was wrong. So, facts don’t matter. There is very little anyone actually knows about this situation. Most of the crap written here is speculation.

I feel bad for the owner but I am not going on a witch hunt like the rest of you. I’ll wait for the full story.

debbie0040 December 23, 2008 at 8:17 pm

Facts do matter and I would love a thorough investigation but Gwinnett PD has made it clear they will not do one. I think the Gwinnett County Commission should investigate this as they appoint the Gwinnett Police Chief. I don’t know how much sway they would have, but I find it hard to believe that Commissioners like Mike Beaudrieu and others would put up with this type of disregard for proper procedure if that is what the investigation finds..

Will it take a tragedy like Kathryn Johnson in Gwinnett for procedures to change?

The Gwinnett PD spokesman should have acknowledged they made a mistake and that it was unforgiveable that this happened twice in ten days. He should have stated that the Gwinnett PD was immediately reviewing and revising procedures to make sure this infrigement on personal property rights did not happen again. Then they should have discipline the officers involved.

debbie0040 December 23, 2008 at 8:22 pm

I strongly disagreed with the Commisson on the trash fiasco, but Commissioners Beaudrieau and Nasui have changed their mind on the trash plan. They found it is never too late to do the right thing.

That is why I think they should be informed about this incident as they would investigate and would not stand for it if the facts are procedure was not followed and the wrong house was invaded.

Bill Simon December 23, 2008 at 10:08 pm

Did the GPD EVER get their witness? You know, the thing they were originally after?

blazer December 23, 2008 at 10:39 pm

Bill Simon,

I would be more likely to shoot a snarling and charging dog off duty rather than on duty simply because that would be the only option I had. Personally, my first choice would be pepper spray; but the force continuum is different for different agencies and officers…

Bill Simon December 23, 2008 at 10:53 pm

blazer,

Well, don’t visit me, okay? I have a snarling and charging Yellow Lab who acts tough but wouldn’t do anything against a human being. It’s just the way he responds to unfamiliar people.

umustbekidding December 24, 2008 at 8:26 am

Bill

So, your lab likes to pretend he’s tough. Mine can’t even pretend. He is a 95 lbs wimp. He loves anyone who will pet him. (And believe me he gets enough loving from us but he’s always ready for a little more)

Chris December 24, 2008 at 8:54 am

Debbie – do you have a link to Beaudrieau and Nasui changing their position?

I’ve had respect for Beaudrieau till this trash thing came along.

Game Fan December 24, 2008 at 9:35 am

umustbekidding
When something goes wrong, there should be some accountability. That’s all. Same for any state, local or Federal agency. Including law enforcement and military. The ATF, the FBI, Centcom, FEMA, anything. If you haven’t noticed a certain change in the roll between the public and law enforcement/military/politicians over the last 20 or so years you haven’t been paying attention.

umustbekidding December 24, 2008 at 9:45 am

Game
I agree but let’s not hang him before he has a chance to explain things. I hate that the officer has not spoken about this. I am sure he is being told not to.

About the change – Obama’s Civilian Security Force scares me the most. That would put us in a police state. With all that is happening right now people are blind to the power the politicians have and the power they are taking from us.

Game Fan December 24, 2008 at 9:55 am

umustbekidding
I agree but the only thing wrong with the “no outrage” concept is nothing happens when nobody gets mad. And Police Chiefs are usually the worst. More like politicians usually. Anti-gun many times.

Game Fan December 24, 2008 at 10:13 am

blazer
Wouldn’t you be a little relieved if you had a fellow officer who was less than competent and they were relieved of duty? (I’m not saying this is the case here, I’m just saying)

Dave December 24, 2008 at 3:02 pm

This isn’t GA related but the accountability factor needs to always be in place. The Blackwater protective agents who were involved in the September 07 shooting in Iraq where 18 or so folks were killed are in a world of hurt. A handful were just indicted a few weeks back. It will be interesting to see where this case goes.

Game Fan December 24, 2008 at 3:16 pm

Here’s a new police training vid. that’s being utilized by police forces in some areas in order to avoid this type of problem in the future.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtlODX1Ba0M

debbie0040 December 24, 2008 at 5:49 pm

Chris, I saw a news article in eithe the AJC or Gwinnett Daily post written about the court order. Both Beaudrieu and Nasui stated they had problems with the trash plan after hearing from the people. Beaudrieu also spoke about the recyling plan and stated he had issues with the trash gestapo..

debbie0040 December 24, 2008 at 5:51 pm

I have two Chihuahuas that think they are Rottweilers..

Chris December 24, 2008 at 8:21 pm

Debbie – Our dog and my mother-in-law’s dog (Chihuahuas) are most vicious beasts. I’ve thought about putting them in a pen and selling tickets, but I read somewhere that wasn’t legal.

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