Somebody get me…

November 5, 2008 12:26 pm

by Jason · 121 comments

…a Jim Martin sign to put in my front yard.

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Doug Deal November 5, 2008 at 4:58 pm

Icarus,

Have at it.

reclaimyourrepublic November 5, 2008 at 5:17 pm

I voted for Buckley yesterday, and I share Jason’s sentiments.

In the Senate:
Voted for the bailout. check
Voted for the farm bill. check
Gang of 10 energy boondoggle, raising taxes. check
Voted for the FISA bill. check
Subsidies for “clean” energy. check
Not present to vote to honor fallen soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan (but was able to vote on other bills the same day). check
Voted to allow telecoms to keep immunity for spying. check
Only Senator not to vote on habeas corpus for Guantanamo Bay prisoners. check
Voted for man and woman only marriage. check
Votes to re-authorize the Patriot Act. check

That’s a lot of checks for things I disagree with, so I too will be voting for Jim Martin.

rugby fan November 5, 2008 at 5:19 pm

“[W]hat exactly does Martin support that Libertarians support?”

I would add many social issues that the federal government has no need tackling, but Saxby wants to get the government involved in.

bowersville November 5, 2008 at 5:23 pm

Please, all Libertarians vote your conscience and vote for the Democrat Martin.

Get it over with and do it quickly. Spare yourselves and go home and ring your bell and watch out for those black helicopters.

You da man, Libertarians.

rugby fan November 5, 2008 at 5:30 pm

And if I could add; if there are 60 Democratic senators, that is indicative that Americans have fairly thoroughly rejected Republican policies. It seems to me that people clearly want Democrats in control. Now of course, that line of thinking will likely prove worthless this year.

If Democrats do get to 60, they need to win the four remaining “too-close-to-call seats”. Excluding Georgia, they trail in those races by 4000 in Alaska, 1000 in Oregon, and about 500 in Minnesota. It seems unfathomable that somehow, in Alaska, there are 4000 ballots outstanding that would go to the Democrats.

And, I might add, Joe Lieberman might be gone from the caucus in a few weeks.

So, why should we vote for Saxby again?

Icarus does bring up an interesting objection, albeit one that I think makes no sense. Correct me if I am wrong, but, D.C. is part of the mainland, its residents are U.S. citizens, and they pay taxes to the U.S. and has three Electoral College votes. Why shouldn’t they have a right to senators? Simply because of what their likely party will be is little reason to prevent the spread of fair representation.

shortbusgeek November 5, 2008 at 5:39 pm

Doug – you said in another blog on here that Saxby has your vote, but if he loses, so be it… he deserves it. So if you understand that he deserves to lose, why are you arguing that we should vote for him?

Three Jack November 5, 2008 at 5:52 pm

another reason to vote against saxby; he is ignorantly blaming turnout for his poor showing yesterday.

180,000 more republicans voted for mccain than saxby. that is why saxby faces a runoff and we will be subjected to a month more of seeing jim martin on tv.

it was saxby’s big spender votes in congress that put him in this position. had he rec’d just 4% of the difference between him and mccain, there would be no runoff.

look in the mirror senator, it is your own damn fault.

Game Fan November 5, 2008 at 6:12 pm

re:
“Why shouldn’t they have a right to senators?”

Because they have too many already.

griftdrift November 5, 2008 at 6:28 pm

My my my. Isn’t it interesting how the Republicans act when a libertarian doesn’t fly right home when they think they should.

Three Jack November 5, 2008 at 6:29 pm

‘why i am a republican’ from the ga gop website (maybe saxby should have studied up a bit):

Why I am a Republican
I am a Republican Because…

I BELIEVE the strength of our nation lies with the individual and that each person’s dignity, freedom, ability and responsibility must be honored.

I BELIEVE in equal rights, equal justice and equal opportunity for all, regardless of race, creed, sex, age or disability.

I BELIEVE free enterprise and encouraging individual initiative have brought this nation opportunity, economic growth and prosperity.

I BELIEVE government must practice fiscal responsibility and allow individuals to keep more of the money they earn.

I BELIEVE the proper role of government is to provide for the people only those critical functions that cannot be performed by individuals or private organizations and that the best government is that which governs least.

I BELIEVE the most effective, responsible and responsive government is government closest to the people.

I BELIEVE Americans must retain the principles that have made us strong while developing new and innovative ideas to meet the challenges of changing times.

I BELIEVE Americans value and should preserve our national strength and pride while working to extend peace, freedom and human rights throughout the world.

FINALLY, I believe the Republican Party is the best vehicle for translating these ideals into positive and successful principles of government.

Doug Deal November 5, 2008 at 6:35 pm

shorthair,

I also like Ohio State, as my childhood favorite team, but I know that they played like crap against USC and deserved to lose and did not deserve to be in the championship game after that.

That doesn’t mean I won’t root for them against Michigan this year.

There is good and then there is bad but not quite as bad. I wonder why this concept is so foreign to some?

Doug Deal November 5, 2008 at 6:38 pm

3J,

So when does the GOP start working on the half of these items that they have ignored the last several years?

DTK November 5, 2008 at 7:11 pm

Health care.

That’s the only reason to vote for Chambliss in the runoff, but it’s a big enough reason to pull the leaver for Senator Peanut despite all of his transgressions.

If Obama and Democrats get their way, a complete transformation of our health care system is on tap. It’s been the Left’s hobbyhorse since Truman was in the White House. Of all the successes they’ve had since Roosevelt and the New Deal, the one policy that has alluded them is health care. But now that Obama and his party have a mandate for “change”, we can be assured they have health care in their sights.

Now don’t get me wrong, the current system is a wreck, but it will only be worse if we move closer to the European model, which has been the Left’s goal for decades.

Sometime during his first term, Obama will propose his health care reforms. Economic conservatives (including Jason) will rightly point out the flaws of getting government more involved in the health care system, but the public will enventually support it enough for it to pass Congress. After all, who can oppose health care for all when it’s a universal right? And, of course, this will be the narrative because the media will be in Obama’s corner and talk radio may be muzzled.

When Obama’s plans are enacted and waiting times increase and medical innovation decreases, economic conservatives (including Jason) will say “I told you so,” but liberals will only point to these flaws as reason for MORE government involvement, and the public will support their plans. It won’t matter that conservatives’ arguments were vindicated. Their narrative won’t be as good, and the public will seek bigger government. It was the same for the Medicare prescription drug plan, for S-Chip, for Medicare itself, Social Security, and just about every other federal entitlement. It’s just the way things go.

The bottom line is this: a government program once enacted never dies. If Obama has his way, the federal government will move to control health care in a way that mirrors what Europe has done. Americans will face longer wait times to see their doctors and the pace of innovation for medical technology and life-saving pharmaceuticals will be slowed, thus harming the health of every American.

If Saxby Chambliss is a reason to avoid this fate, then he should be elected. Because there is only one way to stop the Democrats from moving on health care, and it’s to have an absolutely united front from Republicans. It will be hard enough with the Collinses and Snowes of the Senate. Chambliss would be a reliable vote and a reliable voice against the nationalization of American medicine. Therefore, we should send him back to the Senate. 60/40 matters. Only idealists who don’t know the difficulty of governing can say otherwise.

IndyInjun November 5, 2008 at 7:18 pm

3J,

Thanks for reminding the gang why they are all HYPOCRITES if they vote for Saxby.

If you go down that list there are hardly any, if any at all, that Saxby has not incinerated.

Encouraging individual initiative and FREE ENTERPRISE has WHAT do do with Saxby’s bailout?

Government closest to the people has WHAT to do with No Child Left Behind?

RESPONSIBLE AND RESPONSIVE Government closest to the people has WHAT to do with ramming through $700 billion in spending with no debate when the PEOPLE are begging you not to?

Fiscal responsibility has WHAT in common with tripling of the debt in 8 years, $700 billion bailouts, and an $8 trillion unfunded social program?

Individual responsibility has WHAT in common with bailing out Wall Street?

Thanks for posting that, it proves my point absolutely.

You are HYPOCRITES.

Read that word and look in the nearest mirror.

Pretending that the GOP will ALLOW any challenge to Saxby or Johnny now or ever is preposterous and an insult to our intelligence.

Jace Walden November 5, 2008 at 7:23 pm

Dear Republicans.

I voted for Allen Buckley. I will support Jim Martin in the run-off.

I’m doing this to teach the GOP a lesson.

If you don’t like that, you can go f*@k yourself. I don’t answer to you.

rugby fan November 5, 2008 at 9:25 pm

“Sometime during his first term, Obama will propose his health care reforms. Economic conservatives (including Jason) will rightly point out the flaws of getting government more involved in the health care system, but the public will enventually support it enough for it to pass Congress. After all, who can oppose health care for all when it’s a universal right?”

So you want us to vote for Saxby because he will thwart the democratic process?

Try again.

Three Jack November 5, 2008 at 9:46 pm

doug, hopefully right away, or at least after the welts on their spanked asses heal.

i can’t understand why you would want to send someone who so flagrantly violated gop principles back to do more damage. martin is a disgrace, but he at least does his dirty work honestly with a ‘d’ following his name.

atlantaman November 5, 2008 at 11:30 pm

Where are some scissors so I can cut my nose off.

Ronald Daniels November 6, 2008 at 12:03 am

Look, Saxby can be thrown under the bus in six years. He has violated our principles time and time again, but he did vote right once or twice. That’s more than what we get with Martin.

I’m no fan of Saxby, but I’m not fan of Martin. I’ll take my chance with someone who votes how I want a minority of the time rather than someone who votes how I want hardly ever.

OpposingViewpoints.Wordpress.com November 6, 2008 at 12:35 am

Jim Martin is a dishonest creep for putting horribly misleading things about the FairTax in his TV Ads against Saxby.

Jim Martin is a dishonest creep, and I will make sure to get all of my friends and family out to the polls on run off day to vote against him.

OpposingViewpoints.Wordpress.com November 6, 2008 at 12:45 am

Jim Martin might have thought that the FairTax was an easy target for misleading voters who don’t know why Saxby would be in favor of a 22% sales tax? Well, Jim Martin is going to be an easy target when I get all of my friends and family to vote against him in the run off election.

reclaimyourrepublic November 6, 2008 at 12:49 am

Ronald,

Why not get rid of him now, especially with the 10 damning FACTS I noted earlier, and run a liberty candidate in 2014 against Martin? You know full well that the GOP will never run someone in a primary against Saxby.

Ronald Daniels November 6, 2008 at 9:02 am

reclaim,

Your assumption is that we can get rid of Martin in six years. If this were Vernon Jones, it would be a different story.

IndyInjun November 6, 2008 at 9:20 am

Atlantaman wrote -

“Where are some scissors so I can cut my nose off.”

Ah, so you finally got tired of having it stuck up Saxby’s rump?

IndyInjun November 6, 2008 at 9:23 am

RD,

If Martin is as bad as being claimed, dumping him will be no problem. Georgia has a 20 year tradition of dumping incumbent US Senators.

You have PARTISAN DISEASE in which letting the “other side” win trumps the interest of family and even personal well being.

Let it go.

Dump Saxby like he dumped US.

rugby fan November 6, 2008 at 9:32 am

Opposing:

You do know that Jim did neither paid for nor authorized those ads and he also has made it clear he does not endorse their message?

shortbusgeek November 6, 2008 at 9:34 am

“I also like Ohio State, as my childhood favorite team, but I know that they played like crap against USC and deserved to lose and did not deserve to be in the championship game after that.

That doesn’t mean I won’t root for them against Michigan this year.”

Right. I’m saying Saxby deserves to lose this year. Find a Republican that believes in the “I’m a Republican because” thing posted above, and I might be able to get behind him. However, run someone that doesn’t understand what a budget or debt is that continues the spending and voting on bad bills, and I have to stand against him. So find a Republican to run 6 years from now and we’ll talk. I’ll still cheer on the Republican team… but Saxby is no Republican.

Ronald Daniels November 6, 2008 at 10:18 am

Indy,

It’s going to be just as easy to dump Saxby in six years as it will be to dump Martin. Let’s assume neither one will be dumped though or they would both be dumped in six years.

Either way, my views are closest to Saxby. You call it partisan disease, but I call it voting on the issues I care about. Saxby is going to vote how I want at least once or twice, I can’t say that about Martin.

Maybe you need to look for some antibiotics for that “PUNISH PUNISH PUNISH” disease you have.

IndyInjun November 6, 2008 at 10:27 am

RD,

I don’t reward treachery.

Folks who read the bailout bill before Saxby’s rushed vote for it KNEW the probable outcomes.

That jackass rammed through $700 billion – as much as the total appropriations for Iraq war – with no hearings when the PEOPLE were telling him not to, then immediately started whining about being fooled.

What on earth would be of magnitude to keep you PARTISANS from holding this bum to account?

I truly do not understand how you can look at your families and push voting for Saxby Chambliss.

Ronald Daniels November 6, 2008 at 10:47 am

I don’t tell my family how to vote. Easy as that.

If I did, I doubt I could convince them to vote for Martin. I doubt I could convince anyone around where I live to vote for Martin. He won’t be on the Ag Committee and that is what most of my neighbors care about.

Again, I’m looking at this pragmatically – just like Jason is. Except, I don’t see Martin voting for anything I like – whereas I see Saxby voting for at least one or two things.

I don’t reward treachery, but I also don’t reward those who will do nothing for me (Martin). If we did not have a Sheriff run off in Dodge, I most likely would not even go back to vote.

Game Fan November 6, 2008 at 11:00 am

We can thank all the neocon “party line” crowd for abandoning the Constitution, keeping the borders wide open, and a whole assortment of sh-tty legislation that not only handed the White House to the Democrats, but a much more powerful Executive branch as well. This is fascism. Ain’t it great?

IndyInjun November 6, 2008 at 12:56 pm

Saxby actively pursued policies that severely damage every RESPONSIBLE citizen of this state, yet the HYPOCRITES who claim to be responsible are voting for him.

PARTISANSHIP is a disease.

Voting for a ruinous candidate is just plain stupid unless your reason for being a Republican is to get on the gravy train.

I always wonder how many Republicans that fits.

You all sure as heck are not in this party for the sake of principles.

Chris November 6, 2008 at 12:59 pm

Voting for a ruinous candidate is just plain stupid

Which is why I’m not voting for Martin.

Bill Simon November 6, 2008 at 1:05 pm

No, Indy, you are wrong.

As someone who was pissed-off at Saxby (like you) and voted for Buckley in the general, I will work for and vote for Saxby in the run-off.

Why? Country first, rather than my own personal feelings toward Saxby.

Martin will not lift a finger to stop an onslaught of our Constitution (e.g., the “Fairness Doctrine”), but Saxby could be coaxed into doing it with the help of Isakson pulling on the leash to his nose ring.

Country First, Indy. Chew on that concept awhile longer.

griftdrift November 6, 2008 at 1:09 pm

“Martin will not lift a finger to stop an onslaught of our Constitution (e.g., the “Fairness Doctrine”), but Saxby could be coaxed into doing it with the help of Isakson pulling on the leash to his nose ring.”

PATRIOT Act

John Konop November 6, 2008 at 1:09 pm

How About Martin vs CHRIS 6 years from now?

jsm November 6, 2008 at 1:10 pm

“Dear Republicans.

I voted for Allen Buckley. I will support Jim Martin in the run-off.

I’m doing this to teach the GOP a lesson.

If you don’t like that, you can go f*@k yourself. I don’t answer to you.”

Hooah. Enjoy all that wonderful support you get from the democrats.

Bill Simon November 6, 2008 at 1:12 pm

Grift,

Fairness Doctrine extinguishes free speech. You for that?

By the way…now that Dems have the MAJORITY in both houses, they can repeal the Patriot Act. Think they will?

griftdrift November 6, 2008 at 1:12 pm

There’s more than just Democrats and Republicans in this state.

griftdrift November 6, 2008 at 1:13 pm

No Bill. I’m for neither.

Bill Simon November 6, 2008 at 1:13 pm
griftdrift November 6, 2008 at 1:15 pm

I’m for neither the PATRIOT act nor the fairness doctrine.

One already passed.

One hasn’t yet.

At this point I’ll make my judgment on who supported the thing that actually has been an onslaught on the Constitution rather than the thing that has the potential to be.

IndyInjun November 6, 2008 at 1:15 pm

Putting the COUNTRY FIRST to me means putting preservation of the social order ahead of chaos.

Saxby’s irresponsible votes threaten the last vestige of civic responsibility owed to a government by its citizens.

It has gotten that bad.

When the politicians like Chambliss openly attack the interests of the people they serve, it is time for the people to dump them and, in so doing, preserve the social order.

This country is headed straight for chaos at the hands of you people who fear that Obama will bring it on.

Saxby Chambliss stands for corruption, treachery, and destruction of family finances.

Martin will be hard pressed to top that record.

Tell me again why you are a Republican, then tell me that Saxby has met those standards.

You can’t.

At least I have principles.

You don’t.

Bill Simon November 6, 2008 at 1:33 pm

Grift: That’s a good way to operate yourlife. ONLY focus on the past, and ignore the potential for a worst future.

Indy: If you want to adhere to “principles”, Cuba is 90 miles off the Florida Keys. They will be a freer country than the US if the left-wing has their way with us.

You don’t even have the balls to post under your own name. What principle do you have that I don’t have?

Yeah, I thought not.

griftdrift November 6, 2008 at 1:36 pm

Bill I don’t focus on the past. Just accountability.

John Konop November 6, 2008 at 2:00 pm

Bill

Chill out agree or disagree with Indy, he ads great insight to the PP,And when you are not so angry you not bad either.

Bill Simon November 6, 2008 at 2:06 pm

John, stick your nose OUT of this discussion. I don’t need your opinion.

If you want your opinion to be listened to, I point you to 1100 Spring Street, home of the Democratic Party of Georgia. They will listen to you, John…with rapt attention.

John Konop November 6, 2008 at 2:11 pm

Bill

Relax take a deep breath and it will all be ok.

Bill Simon November 6, 2008 at 2:11 pm

Grift,

I am a principled person who demands accountability…but not at the sacrifice of (dare I say) the betterment of us all.

I consider the potential from a filibuster-proof US Senate (whether Dem-run or GOP-run) to be more of a threat to my pursuit of happiness than the concept that Saxby hasn’t received his due ass-kicking.

Saxby will get his due…it may not be this election…but he will get his due, because that is the way of the universe.

IndyInjun November 6, 2008 at 2:21 pm

Bill S.

No balls eh?

I have gone in studio 3 times on the local talk radio show under my real name.

I very prominently put up LARGE campaign signs on my property – none to date have been for Democrats, although I am going to put up Martin signs, plus some that say “DUMP CHAMBLISS.”

I have given about $10 grand in recent years to GOP candidates and none to Dems since Jor Frank Harris.

Three weeks ago I challenged Paul Broun, whom I supported, very clearly and loudly on why I disagreed that reelecting Saxby was a priority.

No, I don’t know you, but the local pols know me and know, in no uncertain terms, that I think that they should dump the GOP label, because there are no REPUBLICANS left in the Republican party.

I ain’t exactly hiding, but on internet forums and blogs I am INDY.

I do proudly confess that I support JOHN BARROW, the blue dog maverick, and was pleased to play a role in his defeat of another GOP IMPOSTOR, Max Burns.

Do what you say and mean what you say, but NEVER count on me to toe the GOP line when you reject its principles.

ps. Is a 4 foot by 8 foot sign prominent enough for ya?

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