Definitely A Runoff

by Erick on November 5, 2008

Tom Crawford and others are saying there will now be a Georgia runoff in Saxby’s race.

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fishtail November 5, 2008 at 9:59 am

WOW!! I guess we can look forward to President-elect Obama coming into Georgia to campaign for Martin. And more TV commercials. Maybe Martin will get the big bucks necessary to hire a better TV production group that will replace the awful geeky ads he ’s been running. And Saxby will have all the big-time GOP types into GA as well. So our State will be getting lots of attention the next 3 weeks. It will be interesting.

Bill Simon November 5, 2008 at 10:10 am

Waffle House stock to increase! Buy now!

Romegaguy November 5, 2008 at 10:27 am

I thought it was official that he won it without a run-off…

debbie0040 November 5, 2008 at 10:57 am

Gwinnett County is still uploading absentee ballot returns. Should be completed in 30 minutes

drjay November 5, 2008 at 10:58 am

he’s at 49.9% per the sos–w/ 96% reported–have they looked at what’s left to be reported in making the new prediction of a runoff–could he still possibly get 50%+1?

debbie0040 November 5, 2008 at 11:10 am

Gwinnett Saxby 149,992
Martin 120,448
Buckley 11,434

SavannahDem November 5, 2008 at 11:23 am

In theory the numbers are there for either candidate to possibly reach 50% + 1. Neither will.

Debbie’s still smoking the same crack she was on yesterday.

Runoff.

Icarus November 5, 2008 at 11:36 am

Saxby says they’re in a runoff.

Unless something changes.

So, there you have it.

Bill Simon November 5, 2008 at 11:40 am

4 weeks of more friggin’ political commercials….Sigh!!!…

shortbusgeek November 5, 2008 at 11:47 am

Apparently Saxby’s campaign crew figured they needed every last little advantage to try and avoid the runoff….

http://www.lpgeorgia.com/saxbysigns1.jpg
http://www.lpgeorgia.com/saxbysigns2.jpg
http://www.lpgeorgia.com/saxbysigns3.jpg

Shame on them….

IndyInjun November 5, 2008 at 11:54 am

Hats off to Icarus, who unlike the ‘expert’ Erick, realized that the early votes and absentees to be reported last, were heavy skewed toward the Dems.

I told one of my best friends around 9:30 that the 57% for Saxby would probably be eradicated by morning.

Now it is an unsavory matter deciding between a man who has done immense damage to every middle class Georgian versus one who is a lackluster, nonconservative candidate.

This is going to get ugly.

The numbers Debbie posted from Gwinett showed surprising strength for Martin.

I talked to a lot of folks who voted early for Saxby, before he voted for that bailout. They are salivating for another shot at him.

Vic November 5, 2008 at 12:07 pm

Bibb County

Martin 35,741 – 56%
Chambliss 26,362 -41.7%
Buckley 1,170 – 1.9%

District wide SOS Noon Wednesday:

Chambliss 1,837,126 -49.9%
Martin 1,718,902 -46.7%
Buckley 125,900 -3.4%
Totals 3,681,928

Doug Deal November 5, 2008 at 12:10 pm

shortbus,

So putting those ugly signs on the interstate by your candidate for some state worker to clean up is what the Libertarian’s stand for.

If the Libertarians practiced what they try to fool everyone into thinking they believe, maybe you would have a little credibility.

Complaining about someone putting illegal signs in front of someone else’s illegal signs is not going to generate a lot of sympathy from me.

However, you are a fool if you think that all three candidates’ supporters are guilty of this very same thing in equal amounts.

shortbusgeek November 5, 2008 at 12:51 pm

Doug, I was the one that put the Buckley sign there, and I was there to pick it back up. I’m not expecting state workers to collect signs. I expect to be able to put signs out, but I also expect that I’ll be the one to come back and pull them back up once election day is over. Sorry to burst your bubble. :)

drjay November 5, 2008 at 12:54 pm

yours was still an illegal sign-it’s kinda fair game whatever happens to a sign not on private property w/ the owners permission…

Doug Deal November 5, 2008 at 1:59 pm

drjay,

It’s not about reason with the Libertarians, it is about whining. The fact his sign was illegal, an eye sore and a number of other things is lost on him because somebody was being mean to him.

Personally, I think they should give 30 days in jail for every sign planted illegally. Not only does it create an eye-sore and litter, the fact that you have stopped your vehicle on the interstate is a hazard for anyone exitting that interchange as well as people passing by who might vere off course and strike your car.

ChuckEaton November 5, 2008 at 2:42 pm

I know Martin’s main priority is to inspire the Obama troops to come back out and vote, but I still found this a curious comment by Martin in a state that went for McCain, “This isn’t going to be a difficult race for anybody to figure out. I’m going to do everything I can to help Barack Obama get off to a fast start. Saxby Chambliss has promised to do everything he can to stop Barack Obama from succeeding.”

Icarus November 5, 2008 at 2:47 pm

It’s not curious, Chuck. It’s who Martin is.

He’s a classic liberal (I guess I’m supposed to say “progressive” now). All of his friends are liberals, they all like Obama, Obama just won, and Martin wishes to be part of pushing that agenda.

If he was running for U.S. Senator from the state of Emory, it would be a compelling argument.

I don’t think it will sell as well south if I-16.

ChuckEaton November 5, 2008 at 2:59 pm

Whether you like Jim Marshall or not, you have to appreciate how he is able to thread-the-needle in his district. While I was unable to follow his campaign closely, somehow I doubt “do everything he can to help Obama” was the cornerstone.

shortbusgeek November 5, 2008 at 3:34 pm

Doug – it is certainly about reason and logic, though I’m sure you’re used to some of the other libertarians who have been around a while and would rather whine about it than be constructive. I had heard that people have been fined or arrested for removing political signs from public rights of way, so I had no idea that it was illegal to put them out in the first place. Could you kindly point me to the codes or place in the law where I could find your claim for future reference?

For you to lump all libertarians into one group and assume we’re all alike would be no different than lumping you into whatever party affiliation you have and saying you’re exactly like all of them as well. If you’d like to make an argument, feel free to do so, but the automatic name calling (“whiner”) when you don’t even know the person seems a bit childish, don’t you think?

Doug Deal November 5, 2008 at 4:01 pm

shortbus,

http://www.dot.state.ga.us/informationcenter/pressroom/documents/d2/5-8-08.pdf

But that law apparently doesn’t apply to Libertarians.

shortbusgeek November 5, 2008 at 4:13 pm

Doug – thanks. Are you this rude to everyone, or is it just Libertarians? And what is it about Libertarians that you hate so much? Our insistence that we can spend our own money better than a group of politicians? Our insistence that we know what’s better for us and our families than a group of politicians? By continuing to lump all Libertarians together, I can only assume you’re a socialist… so you’re pretty happy about the outcome yesterday, eh?

Icarus November 5, 2008 at 4:17 pm

“Are you this rude to everyone, or is it just Libertarians?”

Pretty much everyone. Don’t think you’re special.

shortbusgeek November 5, 2008 at 4:20 pm

Haha, thanks Icarus! :)

Doug Deal November 5, 2008 at 4:29 pm

short,

You asked for the law, I delivered. If that is rude, why are Libertarians so whiney?

I do not hate libertarians or Libertarians. I think the Libertarians are a bunch of people who never got past adolescence and do not realize that there is a real world with real consequences out there. This is not some laboratory experiment where you can close the fume hood if it gets out of control. The libertarian folks, on the other hand, are a group of which I consider myself a member, and that I have a great deal of respect for.

Perhaps I can be a bit blunt when dealing with hypocrisy, but I find it odd that when confronted with evidence that you are actually in the wrong, you resort to name-calling. Quite the juvenile response one would expect from a Libertarian.

So were you or were you not committing a misdemeanor? When do you plan on turning yourself into authorities?

shortbusgeek November 5, 2008 at 4:49 pm

Doug – it wasn’t the link that was rude.. it was that you felt the need to accompany it by “But the law apparently doesn’t apply to Libertarians.” I’m sorry I haven’t read all however many thousands of pages of law that currently exist. I sincerely appreciate you sending the link to me. But what followed was a bit lame.

I’m glad you agree that the name calling is quite juvenile. You’ve just described what you’ve been doing… so wouldn’t that be quite hypocritical of you?

As for the last part, yes, I apparently was committing a misdemeanor. I have no intention of turning myself in, as I’m cleaning up the signs I put out, which appears to be part of the punishment anyways. Speeding is also a misdemeanor, is it not? Are you saying you’ve never broken the speed limit?

Doug Deal November 5, 2008 at 5:09 pm

short,

Pretty much everything I do here is laced with hyperbole. I love hyperbole, it is the greatest thing that has ever been invented by man. The reason is that hyberbole pulls the nonsense out of the nuance.

I do not expect you to get arrested, and I do not expect you to turn yourself in, but it really does quite plainly point out the ridiculousness of complaining about someone else obscuring your sign, when what you did in the first place was illegal, and not insignificantly dangerous.

The comment on that law not applying to Libertarians was sarcasm to further drive the point home, since the only way you would have any legitimate gripe is if you yourself weren’t breaking the law in the first place.

Perhaps it is not the most friendly sounding form of rhetoric, but neither is the intent of your original post to slam Republicans for the sign incident. (Psst, this is also whiney behavior).

Icarus November 5, 2008 at 5:15 pm

If I could interrupt Doug and the ShortBus,

WSB TV is reporting that there are over 10,000 absentee ballots still being counted in Fulton, as well as over 100,000 military overseas ballots still outstanding (I have absolutely no idea how that second number could be so large, so I discount it).

However, since absentee ballots tend to favor R’s, it is still possible, though I still doubt probable, that Saxby can avoid the runoff.

shortbusgeek November 5, 2008 at 5:23 pm

First off, thanks for changing your tone… I appreciate it. :) I completely understand not really having a legitimate gripe about the sign incident since it was apparently against the law. I understand that ignorance of the law doesn’t mean you’re not still breaking it. However, illegal or not, I’d still compare the act of placing a sign directly in front of another one to be rather dirty.

I’m very new to really being involved in any form of politics period. I’ve typically called myself an independent, usually voted Republican, but never had the time to really research the candidates any further than glancing at their websites until this year. That’s when I discovered the LP and decided to get involved. So yes, I do partially agree with you that there are some lunatics, nutcases, and whiners within the Libertarian Party. But to slap that label on anyone that also associates themselves with that group is just plain ignorant.

I find that I mostly agree with the fiscal piece of the Republican platform, but in no way do I agree with their insistence on legislating morality. They want to outlaw gambling, prevent alcohol sales on Sunday in retail stores, etc…. things that I totally disagree with. I also don’t agree with their insistence on outlawing gay marriage. My wife would have a serious problem with me marrying another man, but the government shouldn’t have any place in that decision.

Anyhow, it’s about time for me to go play in traffic… maybe most people stayed home today. :)

Doug Deal November 5, 2008 at 6:54 pm

short,

Sorry if I came across as gruff, but I have a horrible allergy to hypocrisy that wasn’t originated by me.

Vic November 5, 2008 at 8:48 pm

Doug & Shortbus, can you please summarize what transpired in this thread, in three paragraphs or less? Who almost got arrested for what?

p.s. the quote “hyperbole knocks the nonsense out of nuance” should win some kind of very elevated and distinguished award.”

Doug Deal November 6, 2008 at 10:13 am

To the Victor goes the spoils.

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