Some fuzzy numbers from Georgia and the DOJ

“The U.S. Department of Justice is questioning some 2 million requests it says were made by Georgia officials since last fall to check the Social Security numbers of newly registered voters, far more than any other state,” according to an AP report filed earlier today.

A spokesman for Karen Handel “said she is consulting with the state attorney general’s office on how to proceed,” adding that:

officials are trying to determine how the Social Security Administration arrived at the 2 million figure. That’s far more than the number of new voters who registered in Georgia during the same period, he said. Some 406,000 new voters have registered in 2008.

Further, according to the AP report:

Georgia counties are also investigating the citizenship of some Georgia voters. Carrothers said Thursday that counties are looking into 2,675 individuals who had registered to vote but whose driver’s license records indicated they were not U.S. citizens.

Handel’s spokesman said she is consulting with AG Baker’s office “on how to proceed.” The AP article was extremely light on details or relevant explanation; however, it would appear, from a simple common sense perspective, that not making 2 million requests for verification on 406,000 newly registered voters would be a good place to start.


  1. Mad Dog says:

    Handel has invested heavily in Teflon and she will blame the Federal Government and Katherine Harris when McCain wins Georgia with 110 percent of the vote in Georgia.

    Unless she decides to cooperate with the DOJ and the GA AG now and avoid becoming Linda Schrenko’s cell mate.

  2. Game Fan says:

    Most people simply want their votes counted. And only people LEGALLY QUALIFIED TO VOTE voting. Is this too much to ask? If we can send a man to the moon…

  3. ramblinwreck says:

    I’ve always been amazed at the attitude Democrats have on proof of ID when voting. I doubt anyone going to vote this year would expect to be able to walk into a bank and cash a $5.00 check without ID but they want to be able to vote for president without one. Yeah that makes sense.

  4. Game Fan says:

    As I understand it because of the voting rights act of ’65 Georgia still has to get “special permission” from the hallowed Department of “Justice”. And instead of simply verifying whether the newly registered “voter” is qualified (and a U.S. citizen) the DOJ turns around and investigates Georgia??

  5. Game Fan says:

    Hey here’s a novel idea: Let’s subject everyone to the same set of rules: State and National constitutional government and rule of law. That would include Politicians, bureaucrats, lobbyists, roofers, Televangelists, taxpayers, windsurfers, skateboarders, streakers, perverts, plumbers, farmers, C.E.O.s, ect… You know. Everybody.

  6. Dave Bearse says:

    Either Handel or the feds are wrong—the feds in stating 2,000,000 were/have been submitted for checks, or Handel making checks beyond those in the law. My guess is that every new voter registration or registration name change was submitted to the Feds which doesn’t conform to the law.

  7. jkga says:


    Let me explain.

    1) Voting is a right guaranteed by the constitution. It is a right that many people have been unfairly denied because of the color of their skin, within memory of many many people living today. It is a right that many people marched for, were beaten and jailed for, and at least a few people were killed for. Democrats remember this recent history, and honor those who fought to preserve this right by working to make sure that those who are legally allowed to vote are not prevented from voting because they might not have a current valid ID for whatever reason. To have a legitimate voter turned away or harassed at the polls is an affront to democracy.

    2) Check-cashing is not such a hallowed right.

    3) The DOJ under the Bush administration has made huge efforts to investigate voter fraud. All they turned up were one or two legal immigrants who were in the process of becoming citizens, who were so excited about exercising their right to vote that they registered before their naturalization ceremony was complete. Naturally, they were deported for displaying such enthusiasm. In other words, there’s no evidence that voter fraud is a real problem that could be solved by ID checks.

    4) It is common sense that absentee ballots are much more conducive to fraud than voting in person. It is not hard to imagine an employer or local official bribing or coercing their employees or constituents to make sure they fill out their ballots in a certain way. This type of abuse is not possible when people vote in a private voting booth. The Georgia GOP has expanded absentee balloting. In my view, this shows that they don’t really have an interest in preventing voter fraud; they just want to make voting inconvenient for poor people and urban residents, who are less likely to drive (or have a bank account) and therefore might not maintain current government ID.

  8. Game Fan says:

    Voting is a duty and a responsibility. Never intended for the dregs of society. And let me just add the ole’ TBS employment disclaimer to this:

    “Without regard to race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.”

  9. Game Fan says:

    Of course things weren’t always this color blind. But today (in 2008) most Americans simply don’t expect illegal aliens or convicted felons to be voting.

  10. jkga says:

    Three Jack – fine, you got me on a technicality. Do you really want to argue against the right of US Citizens over 18 years of age and not convicted of any crime, to vote?

    Game Fan – “never intended for the dregs of society.” Who defines the dregs? Do you think only property owners should be allowed to vote? There’s certainly precedent in US history.

    If that’s what the Georgia GOP really believes, that anyone without a driver’s license belongs to the “dregs” of society and should be discouraged from voting, then I wish they’d have the guts to come out and say it – not hide behind the fear of imaginary voter fraud.

    I wish I could remember what person (Jefferson?) in US history argued against voting restrictions based on landownership. I still remember from the US history class I took 20 years ago that his argument was something like “If tomorrow I were to be deprived of all my property, how does that change my judgement in choosing my vote?” I think about that whenever I see a story about the GOP using lists of foreclosures to challenge voter lists.

    Finally, how are ID restrictions going to keep current felons from voting? (After parole or probation, Georgia law reinstates voting rights to felons.)

  11. atlantaman says:

    “when McCain wins Georgia with 110 percent of the vote in Georgia.”

    A very ironic statement given that Handel is trying to prevent what’s going on in other states with ACORN and the Democrats.

  12. atlantaman says:

    Since we are all so concerned about what other countries like France think about us, and also feel it’s unfair the illegals can’t vote, we should just open our Presidential elections up to the entire world.

  13. jkga says:

    Who is saying illegal immigrants (or legal non-citizen immigrants, for that matter) should be allowed to vote? Ridiculous straw-man argument, atlantaman.

  14. Bill Simon says:

    “Three Jack – fine, you got me on a technicality.”

    Uh, no, when your ENTIRE premise is that the “Constitution guarantees” a right to vote, and it doesn’t, then that “technicality” blows the integrity of your entire argument up.

    It’s akin to Joe Biden claiming that FDR “went on TV”.

  15. CynthiaM says:

    I can actually see how this can happen. If a person becomes a naturalized citizen AFTER they get their driver´s license then they would show up as a non citizen even though they are really a naturalized citizen…my husband is probably one of those folks.
    He got his driver`s license in Georgia in 2002 when he was still a permenent resident and not a US citizen yet…he became a citizen in January 2007 and he registered to vote a few months later and voted in the 2008 election that just occurred November 4. Now does it make sense to folks how people could be registered to vote and not appear as a citizen, yet could possibly be a citizen?
    What they need to ask for is their passport or naturalization date.

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