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When Michelle Bruce (pictured), a Georgia politician, ran for re-election last year did she mislead voters by allegedly failing to disclose that she used to be a Michael?

Yesterday, in a huge victory for Bruce and the transgender community, the Georgia Supreme Court ruled that she did not mislead voters by running for office as a woman. The court dismissed a suit filed by two of Bruce’s opponents — Georgia Fuller and Stan Harris, who also lost — alleging that Bruce disguised her sex while seeking re-election last year to the Riverdale Council. The court ruled unanimously that Bruce’s use of the name Michelle on ballots did not “cast doubt on the results of the election.”

74 comments

  1. griftdrift says:

    It?

    Really Erick?

    You’re bloody side usually contained on RedState and your personal blog is bleeding into Peach Pundit. Careful or you’ll ruin your reputation as a thoughtful Republican.

  2. umustbekidding says:

    Looks like a man to me. He-she-it looks rather large and manly. I think it is disceptive. Men and women think differently and will govern differently.

  3. Doug Deal says:

    It is not deceptive in the election, as people in these parts named “Tilman” can freely run as “Trip”, but I have to agree with the “it” moniker.

    If I wanted to be a bear, would I be one if I had bear body parts sewn onto my body? I would still be a human that looks a little like a bear.

    He is not a woman, grift, sorry.

  4. Game Fan says:

    As a fiscal conservative Republican who has abandoned all racial and religious litmus tests, I still reserve the right to be politically incorrect. Not that I have anything offensive to offer at this point.

  5. griftdrift says:

    Uh yeah Bill she is. Whether you want to recognize or not.

    And Game Fan. My mama never said the word politically incorrect in her life. But she taught me a lot about the difference between being polite and being rude.

    Referring to another human as it is rude.

  6. muffin15 says:

    Grift…

    Is asking for someone’s trust/vote while misrepresenting yourself rude..if not disingenuous?? My mother would say yes!

  7. griftdrift says:

    Muffin as far as I can tell, she didn’t misrepresent herself.

    And it still does not belie the fact that the insistence of some on this blog to refer to any transgender person as it is in fact rude.

  8. muffin15 says:

    Grift..

    changing your name in conjunction with your sexual identity is indeed a major life event. To say that she/he/it did not misrepresent is a misrepresentation as well. The litmus test is this…would Mr./Mrs. X change their vote now knowing that this person is not able to deal with the hand that is dealt?? What else will they try to radically change? This information is material to their constituents decision, there is no way around that.

  9. Bill Simon says:

    Grift,

    Don’t worry about Erick. Karma will get him…he’ll get caught cheating on his wife with a Hooters waitress and end-up as a Democrat 20 years from now.

  10. Doug Deal says:

    grift,

    Whatever. Women, by and large will not accept this person, no matter what this person claims to be. Why anyone would want to go through the problems just to satisfy the urges of a sexual perversion (and I mean that in the literal non-judgemental sense) is beyond me.

    If people want to go through with this, it is their own business, but they don’t have the right to not be looked at like fools.

  11. Bucky Plyler says:

    Michelle can never erase Michael.

    Michelle can change the appearance & maybe some functions .

    Michelle can never change the fact of Micheal’s birth. (which was not a mistake)

    The Ga. Supreme Court has ruled on the lawsuit. Michelle is still in office. Obviously there are reasons why the issue was not raised during the campaign.

    My mom & I would want people to be treated nice, but it doesn’t mean we agree with their choices.

    It doesn’t mean that we have to accept their choices either.

  12. Decaturguy says:

    Look, as a gay person I have had my problems over the years with transgendered people trying to hitch a ride on the same train as gay people on the road to equal rights. But to call them “its” and “perverts” shows nothing but ignorance. She identifies as a woman and had her name legally changed to Michelle over 27 years ago. Where is the deception?

    Bucky she got voted out of office last time and still had to go all the way to defend herself in the Supreme Court. Try educating yourself next time before commenting.

    Doug, you are absolutely right about one thing. If it is simply a “choice” why would some subject themselves to the kind of bigotry demonstrated here on this thread?

  13. rugby fan says:

    “Why anyone would want to go through the problems just to satisfy the urges of a sexual perversion (and I mean that in the literal non-judgemental sense) is beyond me”

    Because it is rarely (if ever) done to satisfy a sexual perversion.

  14. Doug Deal says:

    Freedom of choice/speech does not equal acceptance, grift.

    No one is guarenteed acceptance, and I am quite certain you wouldn’t want to live in such a society. I would have no problems being friends or being a co-worker with someone who has had a sexual-appearance operation, but it would be unlikely that I would want them around my child.

    Further, I would not want them to be the “face” of my company (if I had one). People make choices, they need to live with them. Otherwise you are limited everyone else’s choices.

  15. griftdrift says:

    And all I’m saying Doug is that it is rude.

    Erick, you and every other person here who gets a giggle out of being rude certainly have the freedom to do so.

  16. Doug Deal says:

    rugby,

    That does not make logical sense. It is definitely a perversion, otherwise it would be normal, and it certainly isn’t that. It is definitely sexual, or it wouldn’t be called a sex change operation.

    Just because it may hurt someone’s feelings to call a spade a spade, does not mean we have to destroy our language to accommodate them.

  17. Bucky Plyler says:

    Decaturguy,

    Help educate me.

    Do you think that most of the voters knew this information in previous elections that you say I should be educated on?

  18. Decaturguy says:

    The same freedom that allows for bigoted statements to be freely spoken in this country also allows for us to call them out as well.

    Whether you agree with their “choices” or not, calling another human being an “it” or “pervert” because you don’t agree with them is bigoted.

    Just calling a spade a spade, Doug.

  19. Doug Deal says:

    grift,

    Okay, I agree there, it is rude, and I would definitely not use that term. However, there is really nothing in the english language that fits, as I do not think that “she/her” applies.

    Decatur,

    Unlike you, I do not ascribe more meaning to perversion than is warranted. A foot-fetish is a perversion, as is trolling for sex in a bathroom, as is a whole host of a number of things. If we knew all the provate details of everyone’s life, most if not all of us would fit into that category to some degree.

    Most people have the sense to realize that this is best kept to oneself, and not broadcast to eveyone in the world. Just like I do not want to know the details of a heterosexual’s sex life, I do not want to know about the details of a homosexual’s sex life. Sure, sex is a “natural” part of life, but so is defications, and I do not go to your house to poop quite publically on your lawn.

  20. rugby fan says:

    Here is why it is logical.

    A transgender man was born a woman, but always felt like a man. After having a great deal of therapy he realizes he actually is a man. He has a sex change.

    What was the sexual nature of that? Oh wait, there isn’t any.

    It is sexual hence the name “sex change”, but it has nothing to do with eroticism or arousal, so it is not sexual in the way you seem to suggest. And before you object that there must be something sexual behind their motives, nothing I’ve read from people who have had sex changes suggest it had anything to do with who they are attracted to.

    As for it being a perversion; sure you could call it that, but it would be far more accurate to say it is a defect.

    Now, if society doesn’t have to guarantee acceptance to people, how does it determine what is acceptable?

  21. Doug Deal says:

    Decatur,

    To be called names by you is a badge of honor. I am actually a decent person, you are a troll who can’t hide is rage at people he disagrees with.

    How many conservatives do you have as friends?

  22. rugby fan says:

    “Most people have the sense to realize that this is best kept to oneself, and not broadcast to eveyone in the world. Just like I do not want to know the details of a heterosexual’s sex life, I do not want to know about the details of a homosexual’s sex life. Sure, sex is a “natural” part of life, but so is defications, and I do not go to your house to poop quite publically on your lawn.”

    OK but you still don’t know anything about a transgender’s sex life. Do you think they are automatically homosexual or some other universal attraction?

  23. Decaturguy says:

    Do you think that most of the voters knew this information in previous elections that you say I should be educated on?

    I have no idea, Bucky. To my knowledge Michelle Bruce ran unopposed back in 2003 and lost for re-election in 2007. By the time 2007 rolled around I believe the fact that she is transgendered was a major reason she lost re-election. If so, how were the voters “mislead?”

  24. Doug Deal says:

    rugby,

    I said nothing about who they were attracted to. I understand that there is more to things like that that who you want to have sex with, but it is still an urge that is abnormal in pretty much every measure which when fulfilled works against one’s own interests.

    We do great harm when we are not honest with ourselves in admitting that a certain behavior is a bit out of the mainstream. We also prolong the problems when we work to pretend they don’t have any impact. If everyone realized they were flawed instead of pretending they are just as perfect as some mythical normal person, we wouldn’t care so much when people insulted us.

  25. Doug Deal says:

    grift,

    We can argue over linguistics, but gender was a linguistic term that refered to non sexual but sex related things about words. Such as using Le Chapeau instead of La Chapeau for a hat in French.

    Recently, the term has gained popularity in referencing sex, but it is as awkward as calling hats “head-coverings”.

    Rugby,

    So this makes since to you? “Transgendered won.”

  26. Doug Deal says:

    Decatur,

    I didn’t mean it in the BBS sense, I mean it in the living under a bridge filled with hate sense. For someone who complains as much about not being accepted, you have very little tolerance for those you disagree with. You might have every reason to be angry, but it is better to live your life without the chip on your shoulder.

    Also, since = sense in the previous post, caught it as I hit submit.

  27. rugby fan says:

    “but it is still an urge that is abnormal in pretty much every measure which when fulfilled works against one’s own interests.”

    Ah, but that is where you are wrong. I have never heard of a transgendered person who has regretted their choice, or not finally felt “normal” and happy. What would be the long term downside be? That people such as yourself cast judgment upon them? Well that only matters if a transgendered tells you that they had a sex change.

    “We do great harm when we are not honest with ourselves in admitting that a certain behavior is a bit out of the mainstream.”

    No one is doubting that a sex change is not mainstream. Where the difference lies, I believe, is that if someone has a sex change, they have a sex change. I apply no moral value to it. It impacts me in no way, nor does it impact you.

  28. AtlConservative says:

    FYI – if he/she were applying for insurance, his/her rate would be based on the gender at birth. Should this apply now?

  29. rugby fan says:

    To answer your question, sure. Although I think that they become a man or woman after the operation.

    As for gender, without getting into detail, gender is a very socially controlled concept, so making a linguistic moral claim on something that has changing properties means little.

  30. Doug Deal says:

    rugby,

    Ah, but that is where you are wrong. I have never heard of a transgendered person who has regretted their choice, or not finally felt “normal” and happy.

    If that is the case, then they shouldn’t complain about people who have a problem with it.

    It is hilarious how you say I am casting judgement on them. You are the one making value judgements. I have no personal problem with any of them. Unlike you, apparently, I do not hate people for their flaws.

    No one is doubting that a sex change is not mainstream. Where the difference lies, I believe, is that if someone has a sex change, they have a sex change. I apply no moral value to it. It impacts me in no way, nor does it impact you.

    Then what are you arguing with me for?

  31. Doug Deal says:

    Anyway,

    To head of misquotations later, which will come anyway. I know grift understands, but I am not sure about one of the other participants.

    1) I think the person did not mislead voters.
    2) There are no good pronouns to use since the person is definitely not a woman and would not be accepted as such by most women.
    3) It is probably insulting, and I would not use it, but what can one use?
    4) I think the person did something abnormal, and is expected when one does something so “out there” to most people.
    5) I think the word “gender” is misused when people mean “sex”.
    6) All of us have abnormal traits.
    7) Pretending we don’t prolongs the misery.

  32. rugby fan says:

    If that is the case, then they shouldn’t complain about people who have a problem with it.

    Yes they should you are saying its not right for someone to be happy and at peace and feel right in a way that infringes upon no one.

    “I have no personal problem with any of them. ”

    Of all the bullsh*t I’ve read on Peach Pundit, that takes the cake, shall we look above?

    If people want to go through with this, it is their own business, but they don’t have the right to not be looked at like fools.

    but it would be unlikely that I would want them around my child.

    Why not? It must be something personal.

    “Then what are you arguing with me for?”

    See above. You are openly against people living a free and happy life.

  33. Doug Deal says:

    bah,

    Correct four as the following:

    4) I think the person sis something abnormal, and people will react to it. This is to be expected when one does something so “out there” to most people.

    I accidentally deleted a whole line in the original.

  34. Decaturguy says:

    For someone who complains as much about not being accepted, you have very little tolerance for those you disagree with.

    Doug, what in the world are you talking about? I never complain about “not being accepted.” Where have I ever not been accepted? What are you talking about?

    And not only do I have plenty of conservative friends and have tolerance for those that disagree with me, I have even worked for Republican politicians before.

    What are you talking about?

  35. Chris says:

    How is this for compromise?

    He/She/Whatever is an elected official in Clayton County. That in and of itself is a good enough reason to call it an it.

  36. Doug Deal says:

    rugby,

    You are good at arguing against straw men. I think it is foolish to buy an expensive luxury car, does that mean I hate people who buy them?

    As for being around my child; I also don’t want alcoholic beverages around my child. That also goes for sexual innuendo and mature themed jokes. I have no problem with them myself. Does this mean I hate them as well?

    Like I said, you do not make any logical sense.

  37. muffin15 says:

    simply put…If my Gmaw had voted for this human….she would feel like she did not get what she voted for. And just because a court or some overly sensitive blogger says its right does not make it so. This human misrepresented them self as a woman. For fair disclosure I don’t care what it is!

  38. Doug Deal says:

    Decatur,

    It may be unfair, but that is just the impression I get from you when someone posts something you disagree with related to gays. Accusing someone of intolerence for pointing out the obvious (that people are going to react to someone getting a sex change, and that the use of pronouns is made awkward) is a little extreme.

    Personally, I do not care about anyone’s sex life, gay, straight, or Icarus. But someone with a man’s build running around with a five o’clock shadow, a dress and heals is going to be thought of as odd. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news in that regard.

  39. jsm says:

    Has anyone mentioned that this person was born a hermaphrodite? At least that’s what the TV news broadcast said last night. Sounds to me like the parents decided in favor of one gender and “Michelle” decided later in favor of another.

    I don’t understand why someone would find it necessary to take legal action in this situation.

  40. Doug Deal says:

    jsm,

    That is interesting. Our semantic laiden argument aside, it is a big difference for this type of surgery in this situation than in the usual case. It does go to show the failing of our language that people have to be referred to by their sex and that there is no gender neutral way to refer to another human being without it being considered insulting.

    But, I think most here agree the law suit was ridiculous.

  41. Icarus says:

    “Personally, I do not care about anyone’s sex life, gay, straight, or Icarus.”

    Dammit Doug, I was doing a good job of staying out of this one.

  42. Doug Deal says:

    Bill,

    I don’t drink alcoholic beverages around myself. I have 2 – 5 month old beers in my refrigerator that someone brought over, that lie untouched. The last thing I need are lowered inhibitions.

    John,

    Hilarity (hi·lar·i·ty) noun The content of the following joke: “This is a he said she said issue!”

    Icarus,

    Think Godfather III, “Just when you thought you were out… we pull you back in.”.

  43. DavidAtlanta says:

    C’mon, Erick. “It”?? Can you leave the middle school insults behind when it comes to transgendered people? If you want to be politically incorrect, use “he”. If you want to be an ass, keep using “it”.

    “It” is not an appropriate pronoun for any human being… except for maybe Doug Deal, given that the evidence presented so far on this thread brings his humanity into question. A person can’t be *that* stupid, can they?

  44. DavidAtlanta says:

    John,
    It was a joke, but it was an inappropriate and insulting one. It’s not the first time Erick has made this kind of joke. It’s tired and unfunny.

    Doug, my life is very pleasant. I enjoy calling out idiots like yourself. I don’t hate you. I just think you are a clueless moron.

  45. Doug Deal says:

    David,

    You do not even know what you are talking about. Please feel free to point out the parts with which you disagree. Of course you prefer to resort to hate filled name calling.

  46. griftdrift says:

    After you point out where you disagree, Doug will then calmly chide you on your ignorance and suggest a therapist to correct your self-loathing.

  47. Zoe Brain says:

    He grabbed Zapata’s crotch area, felt male genitalia and became angry, the affidavit states. He took a fire extinguisher off a shelf and struck Zapata twice in the head, telling investigators he thought he “killed it.”

    Andrade told investigators he covered Zapata with a blanket and started gathering evidence he thought might link him to the crime when he heard gurgling sounds and noticed Zapata was sitting up. That’s when he picked up the fire extinguisher and hit her again, police said. He left the apartment and took her car, he said.

    So, am I comparing the author to a moronic petty crim and brutal killer?

    As a matter of fact, yes, that’s exactly what I’m doing. The irrational hatred is the same.

  48. Bill Simon says:

    “Lighten up “it” was a joke.”

    This from the guy (i.e., Konop) who accuses everyone of being a racist if they make any comment about someone’s color…especially if that color is some shade of being black.

    Konop, what if the transgendered person was black? THEN you’d be all over this thread accusing Erick of being a racist.

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