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  1. The Driving Buddha says:

    I emailed in my question to Tom Brokaw, but he responded back that neither candidate would be answering questions about my fantasy football roster tonight.

  2. Icarus says:

    Obama wants to dismiss 18 Bn in earmarks, but wants AIG execs prosecuted over a $400,000 T&E expenditure (of which, only 50% is deductable as a business expense)?

  3. Icarus says:

    I don’t know how much it matters, but I actually think McCain looks more comfortable, is giving better answers, and is connecting better with the audience.

    …and Nuclear AGAIN.

  4. Icarus says:

    Tom Brokaw is doing a horrible job as moderator. The candidates are no where near the lights to tell them too much time, and he keeps getting pissy when they go over, without doing anything to tell them times up.

  5. Elmer Gantry says:

    The more I watch these debates, the more I only want forums like Saddleback. A better way to distinguish stnaces on issues and avoid the pointless back and forth.

  6. Icarus says:

    I was only half listening, but did Obama just say that a dictator in Afghanistan is O.K.? Serious question, I think that’s what I heard.

  7. Elmer Gantry says:

    Thanks for the welcome. Long time reader, first time poster…to use a very borrowed radio line. Couldn’t resist jumping in on this. The handle comes from the Sinclair Lewis novel, though Fudd may claimed by some as a better representation.

  8. Doug Deal says:

    hmmm, Sinclair Lewis. I think my wife quoted him earlier tonight. Didn’t he write “power corrupts, but absolute power corrupts absolutely.”

  9. Icarus says:

    …and we’re done.

    Have to say that though I am biased, I think McCain actually won tonight. Not by knockout, but he seemed sincere, confident, and relaxed. More importantly, he seemed real. Should at least temporarily stop the slide in the polls, may cause some of the undecideds/recently decideds to give him another look.

  10. John Konop says:

    The debate looks like a draw via the focus group meter on CNN. I think at the end McCain needed a knock out punch or game changer line to change the current trend. And I did not see it.

  11. Doug Deal says:

    CNN “undecided” focus groups have a long history of being stocked with partisan operatives. I recently read a story by someone who looked up the people in previous debates, including the primary debates.

  12. Doug Deal says:

    I have no idea. I only pretend to make predictions about polls and numbers. People obviously see a different reality than I do, so to make predictions would be nothing but conjecture.

  13. bowersville says:

    McCain announced in tonight’s debate to those having trouble meeting mortgage payments that government would assist renegotiating the purchase price to a more affordable price by having the government purchase part of what is owed.

    Did I hear that right, the McCain government is going to buy up part of what’s owed on individual mortgages?

  14. Icarus says:

    His operatives were apparently passing out some white paper on the proposal after the debate, so we should have details from various news sources by morning.

  15. bowersville says:

    John, I’m seriously considering it. But first the credit freeze has to thaw, then I’ll get the loan which I’ll put in my pocket, miss a couple of payments and let McCain bail me out and repay the bank.

  16. bowersville says:

    That way I have the money and with the coming credit report rating forgiveness, I can borrow some more and try it again. What a deal.

  17. Vic says:

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  18. ramblinwreck says:

    I was hoping to never see another Republican Presidential candidate in my lifetime that would make Bob Dole look like a good choice.

  19. rugby fan says:

    One thing that’s clear from this debate is how little there is to John McCain and his campaign. He’s running on a few, vague issues – tax cuts, an aggressive response to Russia in specific and terrorism in general, something about energy – and a whole lot of non-policy fluff: America’s inherent strength and goodness, Obama’s inexperience, scorn for Washington insiders. But mostly, he’s running on a platform anchored by a single assumption: that John McCain is inherently, singularly qualified to lead the country, and, subsequently, deserving of the office of president. McCain views the White House as something to which he is unequivocally entitled. Beyond that, nothing else matters. Indeed, if you hold this view, nothing else would.

    ***

    The big story of the night: Obama and McCain both do debates differently than they do public rhetoric. Of course, McCain’s rhetoric is far sleazier than Obama’s. And Obama’s is far more dizzying than McCain’s. Take your pick. Obama’s is more worrying, but McCain’s is more disgusting. Awesome.

    ***

    Nothing McCain did tonight changed a thing. He’s done. This race is now the 2008 version of Clinton vs. Dole. And you know how well that turned out for the Republicans.

    The silver lining: Obama and the Democrats are going to own this godawful mess. And the conservative movement can clear the deadwood out of the way, and start to rebuild itself into a credible force.

    ***

    From a horse-race perspective, John McCain came in behind and losing ground, in the middle of a financial/economic panic that works against him, and therefore needing a big win. This meant either damaging and flummoxing Obama, or so outshining him in audience rapport, mastery of policy, and empathetic connection through the camera, that the debate could be presented as a turning point. None of that happened. (McCain’s best performance was at the end, rejecting a “Yes/No” question on whether Russia is an “evil empire.”) At this stage in the race, a tie goes to leader, and this was not a tie.

  20. rugby fan says:

    From the NRO:

    You guys are nuts … With due respect, I think tonight was a disaster for our side. I’m dumbfounded that no one else seems to think so. Obama did everything he needed to do, McCain did nothing he needed to do. What am I missing?

    By the way, does anyone else love the fact Palin won’t have a press conference before the election? Nice way to show how open and transparent a McCain administration would be.

  21. Bill Simon says:

    Rugby,

    Who gives a sh*t about the “press?”

    Ninety-eight percent of the members of the press are people who believe anyone who is making money in America is pretty much “evil” and “greedy.”

    If refusing to give the press conferences is a bad thing, then Sarah Palin and John McCain should continue pissing on the media at any opportunity…my guess is most of those folks like it.

  22. debbie0040 says:

    According to this poll, Michigan is back in play:

    url Detroit Free Press http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200881007053

    Yet Tuesday, comes another poll showing the Obama lead at just 5 in Michigan. The survey by Denno-Noor, done for The Rossman Group, a Lansing public relations firm, and MIRS, a Lansing-based news service, has it Obama 44-McCain 39 with a whopping 13% undecided and the rest voting for minor party candidates. That would mean Michigan is still very much up for grabs in the Nov. 4 election, which would be good news for Republican candidates who are worried about a drop in turnout because of the McCain abandonment.
    Pollsters make a point of explaining their methodology – how many people were interviewed, over what days, what’s the “margin of error” for their results, etc. And there is considerable statistical science that goes into getting an accurate gauge on public opinion.

    But with so much polling going on, can’t widespread reporting of poll results become something of a self-fulfilling prophecy, too? If all you keep hearing, for example, is that McCain is hopelessly behind, wouldn’t that discourage McCain voters from even showing up? How much credence do you give polls? Are you discerning enough to say, for instance, that’s a Gallup survey and they have a solid track record, but that’s from “XXX Polling “and I’ve never heard of them? Do you just dismiss them all?

    As for me, I know what the numbers are showing, but I see this contest as far from over. For one thing, most polling is still done by telephone to land lines, and a lot of people, maybe 15% of the population, are exclusively cell-phone users now.

    Also the latest Zogby Nationwide tracking poll taken Poll released today shows Obama 47% McCain 45%

  23. rugby fan says:

    “Ninety-eight percent of the members of the press are people who believe anyone who is making money in America is pretty much “evil” and “greedy.””

    Any proof of that? OK didn’t think so.

    As for why it matters, well the press is supposed to keep a check on the government. The press is supposed to hold our leaders feet to the fire.

    This sheltering Palin from the media is frankly unamerican. Putin grants more access to the media.

    Remember when McCain was a darling of the media? Don’t you think crap like this hurts his image?

    If you can’t see what is fundamentally problematic and frightening about refusing to grant the media the ability to do their job, heaven help you.

  24. Doug Deal says:

    rugby,

    They don’t keep a check on the government. They were cheer leading the bailout plan like it was going to be a cure-all for everything wrong with the economy and played the fear card by saying failure of passage was going to be Great Depression 2.0.

    If anything, the Press has become nothing more than the de facto DNC communications director.

    The press needs to be skeptical of everything the government and members of government do, not just Republicans or things that can be blamed on the Republicans.

    Despite your incessant praise-singing of the Democratic Party, there are plenty in your ranks whose corruption you conveniently ignore.

  25. rugby fan says:

    That’s bullsh*t Bill and you know it.

    “If anything, the Press has become nothing more than the de facto DNC communications director. ”

    Which is why CNN broadcasts every Palin stump speech live.

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