1. ramblinwreck says:

    Martin is doing exactly what a political opponent should do. When calls to your office are running 100 to 1 against voting for something and you vote yes anyway then exactly who are you representing? Are you really that much smarter than all those people who elected you? Of course, had Martin been there he would undoubtedly voted with Reid as well but it sounds good in a campaign.

  2. Icarus says:

    I think if Saxby would actually cut some new ads, instead of re-running ones that look generic and six years old, he might at least look like he cared.

  3. SavannahDem says:

    Agreed on the quality of the Chambliss ad. I saw it last night. My first reaction was that it was low rent.

    Does anyone have a link to the ad? I regret this as I’m typing it, but I’d like to see the ad again.

  4. Marshall ad amuses me. I always considered knee jerk reactions that come without thoughtful deliberation as the “easy” thing to do.

    I guess actually looking into alternatives and having a debate is too easy for Marshall.

  5. Ga Values says:


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    Top 10 Tax Sweeteners in the Bailout Bill
    Categories: Federal Budget, Headlines By TCS
    Tags: bailout
    Pub Date: Oct 03, 2008

    The following are some of the top tax sweeteners in the Senate passed Bailout Bill. Not all the provisions are per se outrageous, but collectively are intended to help Congressional leadership get final passage of the 2008 Emergency Economic Stabilization Act.

    Sec. 503. Exemption from excise tax for certain wooden arrows designed for use by children

    Current law places an excise tax of 39 cents on the first sale by the manufacturer, producer, or importer of any shaft of a type used to produce certain types of arrows. This proposal would exempt from the excise tax any shaft consisting of all natural wood with no laminations or artificial means to enhance the spine of the shaft used in the manufacture of an arrow that measures 5/16 of an inch or less and is unsuited for use with a bow with a peak draw weight of 30 pounds or more. The proposal is effective for shafts first sold after the date of enactment. The estimated cost of the proposal is $2 million over ten years, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation.

    The Oregon senators were the initial sponsors of the provisions. According to Bloomberg News, the provision would be worth $200,000 to Rose City Archery in Myrtle Point, Oregon.

    Sec. 317. Seven-year cost recovery period for motorsports racing track facility

    Track owners want to be able write-off the cost of their facilities on their taxes over seven years – a depreciation timetable many of them have used for decades. But the IRS has wanted to stretch it to at least 15 years and has raised questions whether the increasingly popular tracks really belong in the same tax category as amusement parks.

    Auto track owners are simply trying to get out of paying more taxes – which they’d have to do if they deducted less every year. These owners have gotten plenty of tax breaks over the years from states and localities eager to get speedways. The provision would be extended 2 years till the end of 2009 and would cost $100 million. The provision encompasses all facilities including grandstands, parking lots and concession stands.

    Sec. 308. Increase in limit on cover over of rum excise tax to Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands

    Extends until December 31, 2009 a rebate against excise taxes charged on rum imported from Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands. A $13.50 per proof gallon excise tax is applied to distilled spirits imported to the U.S. Under this provision a $13.25 rebate is returned to PR and the VI, and is retroactive back to January 1, 2008. Permanent law sets the rebate at $10.50 per proof gallon, but the PR and VI provisions have generally been in place since the first Clinton Administration. The most recent extension of the $13.50 rebate expired January 1, 2008. Cost is $192 million.

    Sec. 301. Extension and modification of research credit

    The legislation reestablishes and extends the lucrative tax credit for companies doing research and experimentation in the United States. Companies that have benefited from this provision include Microsoft Corp., Boeing Co., United Technologies Corp., Electronic Data Systems Corp. and Harley-Davidson. The two-year extension is estimated to cost $19 billion.

    Sec. 504. Income averaging for amounts received in connection with the Exxon Valdez litigation
    The bailout bill would give a tax break to Exxon Valdez plaintiffs, allowing them to average out their punitive damages awards over three years rather than suffer a one-time tax hit from the Internal Revenue Service, as well as other provisions. Rep. Don Young (R-AK) is a big supporter of this provision. Cost is estimated at $49 million.

    Sec. 601. Secure rural schools and community self-determination program.
    Secure Rural Schools lead sponsors Reps. DeFazio (D-OR), Bill Sali (R-ID); Sens. Wyden (D-OR), Larry Craig (R-ID), are major boosters of this program that expired in 2006. In 1908 the federal government agreed to share logging revenue from Forest Service land with neighboring communities that could not tax the land because it was federal. As logging declined in the 1990s, the “county payments” program was initiated in 2000 to directly provide federal funding, more than half going to Oregon, to deal with the loss of revenue. The original version of this provision was introduced as a bill in early 2007 and was estimated to cost $2.2 billion when the OR and ID delegations came to agreement. To give the package more heft, Payment In Lieu of Taxes (PILT) was added to the package, bringing the total cost to $3.3 billion. PILT provides more general funding to counties for federal lands located within their borders. Sen. Reid (D-NV) talked about the PILT program being one of the important elements of the package when the Senate passed the bailout bill.

    Sec. 201. Deduction for state and local sales taxes

    Allows residents of states that don’t pay income tax to deduct, from their federal taxes, sales tax paid over the course of the year. States that benefit include Texas, Nevada, Florida, Washington and Wyoming. The bailout bill extends this provision for 2 years at a cost of $3.3 billion.

    Sec 502. Provisions related to film and television productions

    In an effort to keep film and television productions in the U.S, they would be eligible for a tax incentive program. Under this program, the cost of production of qualifying films would be permitted to be immediately expensed — that is, fully deducted from income for tax purposes — in the year the expenditures occur. This provision also makes permanent other favorable tax treatments for production. Historically Rep. Diane Watson (D-CA) has been a supporter (dating from its creation in the 2004 corporate tax bill). The cost is estimated at $478 million over 10 years.

    Sec. 325. Extension and modification of duty suspension on wool products; wool research fund; wool duty refunds
    The tariff relief (duty savings) is intended to benefit U.S. worsted wool fabric producers that use imported fibers and yarns as inputs, as well as U.S. tailored clothing manufacturers that use imported fabrics as inputs. This provision was originally introduced as a bill in December 2007 by Reps. Louise Slaughter (D-NY) and Melissa Bean (D-IL). It extends current law provisions until 12/31/14, and in some cases to12/31/15. The 2010 to 2015 cost is estimated to be $148 million.

    Sec. 309. Extension of economic development credit for American Samoa

    This extends by two years a previously approved tax credit, the American Samoa economic development credit. In general, this credit allows certain corporations operating in American Samoa a tax credit. The possessions tax credit allows these corporations to offset a portion of their U.S. tax liability on income earned in American Samoa from active business operations, sales of assets used in a business, or certain investments in American Samoa. The cost is $33 million, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation.

  6. LoyaltyIsMyHonor says:

    Rick Goddard was nothing more that a “Chairborne Ranger”

    Actually I don’t know if that’s true or not, but the last time I used that term I gat a very VERY ANGRY response from a Goddard supporter that I found quite amusing; so I thought I’d throw it out again.

    BTW, the term “Chairborne Ranger” was coined by Martin Balsam’s character in the Cold War film, “Time Limit.” I thought it was clever. Anyway, this isn’t an open thread so I’ll go away now 😉

  7. Icarus says:

    Triple Jack,

    First, charter a wall street bank.

    Second, make a bunch of “sophisticated” new products and sell staggering amounts of them to every other wall street bank, insurance company, pension fund, and anyone else you can convince of your new sophistication.

    Third, profit. (Get those profits off shore quick!)

    Fourth, shrug your shoulders when all those folks you sold the dumbass stuff to want to be paid.

    Fifth, Convince the governement they must act or everyone else goes out of business, or possibly worse, has to sit in gas lines.

    Sixth, profit (again!).

    Is this a great country or what?

  8. Doug Deal says:


    That’s a pretty sound business model. How can I get the government to give me money to invest in your idea so that I can get in on the ground floor?

  9. If Saxby thinks he got badly booed last year, just wait until he speaks to ANY GOP meeting now.

    I will lead the chorus.

    And maybe, just maybe, 483,053 people might be willing to sign a recall petition for Isakson.

  10. Ga Values says:

    Doug Deal, if you want a bailout 1st thing you do is hire a lobbyist, I would suggest Saxby’s son.

  11. Buddha the Magnificent says:

    To hell with Saxby Chambliss and Johnny Isakson. First the gang of ten and now this. I’m thinking I need to vote for Jim Martin this time around just to help get Saxby the hell out of the Senate.

  12. liberator says:

    Libertarian Allen Buckley is the better choice for those seeking a true fiscal conservative who has stated he would have voted against the bailout as any true conservative would.

  13. odinseye2k says:

    I think part of the pound of flesh we should extract from Wall Street in exchange for saving their hides should be the development of an FDA for financial derivatives.

    Any new derivative should be limited to $1B in capitalization for its first ten years of existence to give regulators time to study its properties and to make recommendations on how to make it safe for the markets. If prices on the derivatives rise from their initial values, contracts must be wound down into cash or equities in order to bring the net worth of that particular derivate market below the cap. Maybe require this to happen every quarter.

    Also, new rules on leverage. We’ve found in this and past crises that 30:1 leverage is insane. Maybe a cap of 10:1 or 15:1 is more appropriate for banks that hold institutional investors.

    Finally, too big to fail = too big to exist. No one bank should control more than 10-15% of the nation’s capital.

  14. Three Jack says:

    great call icarus. maybe we can make it a peach pundit community bank so all can reap the benefits.

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