The Problem With Baptists

Just a personal vent here, I have to say the problem with Baptists, other than the not drinking thing, is the organizational structure of most of the churches that let the preachers run roughshod over a lot of the congregation.

Yeah, yeah, in theory, the congregation can boot him, but most congregations are too intimidated or timid and don’t want to rock the boat.

I kind of like my Presbyterian set up where you have both deacons who deal with the physical church and elders who deal with the spiritual church, and the elders are on a pretty much level playing field with the preacher.

Of course messes can happen all over. But, and personal venting here I realize, I’m just frustrated for my wife’s family, which goes to a baptist church up in Carrollton and the preacher is driving the church into the ground and driving out the congregation. It’s sad when the congregation goes to Sunday School, but avoids the sermon because the preacher has decided he’s actually a “proclaimer” and would rather give feel good lectures than actually pull out a Bible and do some preaching. He’s in love with the processes in the church and not actually in love with the Lord — he’d rather anoint someone with oil or baptize someone than preach.

And naturally, when deacons he has not put on the board of deacons, dare to challenge him, he tells the congregation that there are devils among them they should not listen to.

Some preachers just need to be taken to the wood shed. And in my experiences in both Baptist and Presbyterian churches, it happens a lot more often in Baptist churches because Baptist church structures are typically conducive to preachers stacking the board of deacons and then turning their churches into self-promotion vehicles instead of Christ-promotion vehicles. And it sure is happening at Tabernacle up in Carrollton. Pitiful, pitiful.



  1. Icarus says:

    Tell them to become Methodists. Then they can sit quietly in the pew, letting the preacher rant about whatever he wants, knowing full well that they’ll be sending him packing in 1-5 years.

  2. Doug Deal says:

    Or become a Unitarian, and you can send praise to the most exulted [insert your favorite personal diety here], and practice [insert your personal worshiping practice here] to your hearts content.

  3. boyreporter says:

    It’s all about superstition and magic, anyway, so what’s the big deal? Religion as a concept, based both on wonder and fear, began the first time a cave man heard thunder. It’s gone downhill ever since.

    Except for the Unitarian-Universalists, of course. They’re way cool.

  4. GreenAllTheWay says:

    I guess the baptist should take up the catholic model where some old fart that allows his subordinates to moldest children is proclaimed god on earth, heads up a political organization that has bought up millions of acres form third world countries and holds their people in basic poverty.

  5. jsm says:

    The word “deacon” comes from “diakonos” in the Greek, which means “servant.” Their Biblical purpose is to handle some of the standard business of the church like finances, visiting the sick & elderly, etc.–not challenge the pastor.

    If the pastor is doing something wrong, preaching wrong doctrine, or not preaching doctrine at all, then the people should find themselves another church, or the church as a whole should remove the pastor and look for another. Nowhere in the Bible is the deacon an overseer in the church, certainly not over the pastor. Acts 20:28 gives the pastor the responsibility of overseer and shows that he answers only to God via the Holy Ghost.

  6. Rogue109 says:

    And one more thing, Baptists! Quit saying that Catholics aren’t Christians, as yet another chick told me at a party in Savannah this last weekend (grin).

  7. Doug Deal says:


    Baptists say that about every other demonination as well as the members of other Baptist churches, so no one should take it personally.

    To Baptists, the only people who aren’t going to “Burn in Hell” is the 10-25% of their church that agree with them on everything and Billy Graham.

  8. GreenAllTheWay says:

    I thought it was the Church of Christ and Jeh Witnesses that thought everyone else was burning in hell.

  9. bowersville says:

    …other than the drinking thing…

    The difference in a Baptist and a Methodist is the Methodist use the front door and the Baptist use the drive through window. sssshh

  10. Tea Party says:

    @boy “There are no atheists in foxholes”

    Q: What’s the diff between Catholics and Baptists, anyway?

    A: Catholics say ‘hello’ to each other in the liquor store.

    @Icarus “Who knew?”

  11. Here’s one to amuse (or offend) all of us and to give Bill Simon a new joke.

    How many Christians does it take to change a lightbulb?

    Charismatics: Only one. Hands already in the air.

    Pentecostals: Ten. One to change the bulb, and nine to pray against the spirit of darkness.

    Presbyterians: None. Lights will go on and off at predestined times.

    Roman Catholic: None. Candles only.

    Baptists: At least 15. One to change the light bulb, and three committees to approve the change and decide who brings the potato salad.

    Episcopalians: Three. One to call the electrician, one to mix the drinks and one to talk about how much better the old one was.

    Methodists: Undetermined. Whether your light is bright, dull, or completely out, you are loved. You can be a light bulb, turnip bulb, or tulip bulb. Church wide lighting service is planned for Sunday. Bring bulb of your choice and a covered dish.

    Nazarene: Six. One woman to replace the bulb while five men review church lighting policy.

    Lutherans: None. Lutherans don’t believe in change.

    Jehovah’s Witnesses: Three. One to screw in the bulb, and two to knock on your door and ask you if you’ve seen the light!

    Amish: What’s a light bulb?

  12. Game Fan says:

    I get a definite “unite” vibe from the Unitarians. I hate unity. Unity sux. Next thing you know, y0u’re making sure you’re not pissing somebody off. No thanks.

  13. Vic says:

    When Bush gets finished nationalizing the insurance, brokerage and banking industries, maybe he can nationalize the baptist church.

  14. I’m serious. This is the most irrelevant thread I’ve seen here since Spacey’s glory days. Erick has a problem with his in-laws’ church leadership, and he uses PP to vent against them? Good grief, just tell them to get rid of the pastor or find another church, and get back to something we care about.

  15. Icarus says:


    A few more comments like that, and we’re going to start sending Jehovah’s Witnesses over to your house for an intervention, Baptists over to invite you to Sunday School, and start leaving audio recordings of Justice John Paul Stephens’ court opinions on your answering machine.

  16. Holly says:

    As a Baptist, I can assure everyone on the thread that I wouldn’t put out for any of you. 🙂

    Erick, they need to vote the preacher out if there is a problem. The church members have the authority to do that, and in fact, it is their responsibility to do it.

  17. Holly, only if it’s a Southern Baptist church. Independent Baptist churches don’t operate that way.

    But sheesh, people, this is America, find a new church down the street. They’re on every corner down here.

  18. yellowb says:

    Agreed Taft. I thought being a Baptist was having more choices then at a grocery store on what church you want to go to. The good thing about being Catholic, other then not going to Hell because I like alcohol, is that I can go to any Catholic church in the country and get the same service.

  19. Doug Deal says:


    Talk about not going to hell drinking alcohol. I just had a dinner with two priests (there was no rabbi, so you know this isn’t a joke) and the amount of alcohol one of them drank was startling.

  20. bowersville says:

    I used to believe there was a church on every corner because in the “good old days” people depended on a horse and buggy to get to church.

    But I learned in adult life that wasn’t so. What I learned was that when Baptist can’t get along in the same Church, they split and build another one. Now that’s a spiritual experience that taxing.

  21. jsm says:

    I know most of this stuff is sarcasm, but I’m amazed at how much some of you DON’T know about baptists. Third-hand stories in a bar aren’t usually good sources of true information. 😉

    And BTW, concerned, James Mills is also a great guy. In fact, he had 3 times as many people at his rally this weekend as the North Ga Democrats had for Lewis and Martin.

  22. Game Fan says:

    There’s a definite mood against the “evangelical” element (doesn’t have to be Baptist) and also “faith based initiatives. (can’t find that one in the New Testament) Not sure how it’s all tied together though. Ann Coulter – sick disgusting creature that she is – is an Evangelical Presbyterian! Jeez. What’s up with that?

  23. TPNoGa says:


    As a Southern Baptist, I can assure you I believe Catholics are Christian. Catholics are heaven bound, it’s Bulldog fans that are headed to hell.

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