Another poll, another big lead for McCain and Chambliss.

SurveyUSA says big leads for the GOP.

McCain:

n the poll of likely voters, Republican John McCain holds a commanding 57-to-41 percent lead over Democratic challenger Barack Obama. The poll shows that McCain holds a 3-to-1 lead among white voters in Georgia, while Obama has a 23-to-1 lead among black Georgia voters. The poll shows McCain with a double-digit lead among both men and women, among those of all age groups and educational levels across the rest of the state of Georgia outside of Metro Atlanta.

Chambliss:

Incumbent Republican US Senator Saxby Chambliss has a comfortable lead over Democratic challenger Jim Martin and Libertarian Allen Buckley. If the election were held today, Chambliss would defeat Martin and Buckley, 53 percent to 36 percent and 8 percent, respectively.

85 comments

  1. Doug Deal says:

    Taft,

    Although I dont like Buckley, I am going to be voting for him in the general, since we have runoffs in this state. I will vote for him in the runoff if it comes to that.

    Chambliss has earned nothing but my scorn and he needs to be removed from Congress as soon as possible by a small government Republican, not an even worse Democrat.

  2. atlantaman says:

    Is Jim Hudson the one who forced a runoff for Coverdale? If so I wouldn’t worry if I were Saxby. Democrats are notorious for not coming out for runoff elections.

  3. EAVDad says:

    “Republicans leading in Georgia.”

    In other news, water contains two hydrogen molecules and one oxygen molecule!

  4. atlantaman says:

    If the GA Democrats really wanted to see Obama in the White House, they would quit wasting resources here in Georgia. It’s less about getting him elected and more about being in the club.

  5. Progressive Dem says:

    As more lies, misstatements and fudges emerge from Palin, the wheels will start to fall off the Straight Talk Express.

    The latest is her supposed pay cut when he became mayor. She started at $61,000 and ended with $68,000. (BTW, I know the cost of living is high in Alaska, but doesn’t 60 grand sound like a hell of a good salary for a part-time mayor in a city of 7,000 people? They also hire a full time professional city manager, who gets less pay than the mayor. That’s a helluva way to run a city???)

    The other fibs: opposed the Bridge to Nowhere (except when she was running for governor), opposed earmarks (except the $200 million she asked for this year as governor) a friend to parents of special needs children (except when she reduced funding for specail needs schools by 62% as governor) overseas travels to Ireland (well actually it was a refueling stop) and Iraq (well actually it was Kuwait/Iraq border checkpoint).

    Palin is going to morh into Pinnochio pretty soon.

  6. bowersville says:

    PD, if that bothers you vote Obama.

    Based on your and the rest of the progressives screaming racism in this election, it seems you would be most concerned that Obama has a 23-1 lead among black Georgians.

    Yet, among whites, the McCain ratio is only 3-1 over Obama. By progressive standards in the south, only white racist won’t vote for Obama. So, only one conclusion based on progressive standards, black Georgians are racist.

  7. Bill Simon says:

    “(BTW, I know the cost of living is high in Alaska, but doesn’t 60 grand sound like a hell of a good salary for a part-time mayor in a city of 7,000 people”

    What it “sounds like” to us outside of Alaska is irrelevant. If the cost of living in Alaska is 5 times what it is in Georgia, then $60,000 is equivalent to $12,000 per year here.

  8. Progressive Dem says:

    Well BS, if a frog had wings, he wouldn’t bump his ass so much.

    The cost of living in Alaska isn’t 5 times what it is in Georgia. According to Salary.com the cost of living in Atlanta is 5.8% lower in Atlanta than it is Anchorage. In Atlanta $56,510 is equal to a $60,000 salary in Anchorage. And her final salary was $68,000. If you think the mayors in Barnesville or Blakely, Fort Valley or any other comparable Georgia size city are making over $50,000, you are seriously out of touch with reality.

  9. Progressive Dem says:

    b’ville, Here’s a thought: the next time you have the urge to post something, try to make some sense. It is so much more interesting for the readers. You might have well have said, it is impossible for you to eat soup without an envelope.

  10. Bill Simon says:

    Wow! ONE statistic posted on ONE Website, and PD thinks I fold.

    Sorry, Chump-o. According to research from the Alaskan state labor department, the breadth of difference in the cost of living between Atlanta and, say, Anchorage, is on the order of 29.7% higher in Anchorage.

    Checkout Page 6 of 12 in this link:

    http://www.labor.state.ak.us/research/col/col.pdf

    This takes the $60,000 down to about $42,100…and, if you factor in the fact that Alaska is quite a bit different a state to live in (6-months of continuous light, 6 months of continuous dark), along with cold weather quite a bit different from anything Atlanta experiences, and the “massive salary” you think Palin got paid becomes nothing YOU would agree to to live in those kinds of conditions.

    PD…here’s some advice: Open-up your sock drawer, close your eyes and pick out a sock, and insert it firmly into your mouth.

  11. midtown_maven says:

    Pinnochio, frog, ass, soup.

    Obama has raised the dialog and united America.
    He’s burned up all that goodwill from a cold winter night in Iowa.
    If he does win, his best course would be to make symbolic economic changes, wave a magic wand and shout “Stay the course”.
    We’ll get our rebound in two years and reelection will be in sight.

  12. debbie0040 says:

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E06E3D6123BF932A2575AC0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1

    This is from 2003. Excerpts from the article:

    “Significant details must still be worked out before Congress can approve a bill. Among the groups denouncing the proposal today were the National Association of Home Builders and Congressional Democrats who fear that tighter regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing.

    ”These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis,” said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ”The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.”

    Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed.

    ”I don’t see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing,” Mr. Watt said.”

    Franklin Raines, former CEO of Fannie is a key advisor to the Obama campaign.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/15/AR2008071502827.html

    Excerpts:

    In the four years since he stepped down as Fannie Mae’s chief executive under the shadow of a $6.3 billion accounting scandal, Franklin D. Raines has been quietly constructing a new life for himself. He has shaved eight points off his golf handicap, taken a corner office in Steve Case’s D.C. conglomeration of finance, entertainment and health-care companies and more recently, taken calls from Barack Obama’s presidential campaign seeking his advice on mortgage and housing policy matters.

  13. debbie0040 says:

    This is from 2003. Excerpts from the article:

    “Significant details must still be worked out before Congress can approve a bill. Among the groups denouncing the proposal today were the National Association of Home Builders and Congressional Democrats who fear that tighter regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing.

    ”These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis,” said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ”The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.”

    Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed.

    ”I don’t see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing,” Mr. Watt said.”

    Franklin Raines, former CEO of Fannie is a key advisor to the Obama campaign.

    Excerpts:

    In the four years since he stepped down as Fannie Mae’s chief executive under the shadow of a $6.3 billion accounting scandal, Franklin D. Raines has been quietly constructing a new life for himself. He has shaved eight points off his golf handicap, taken a corner office in Steve Case’s D.C. conglomeration of finance, entertainment and health-care companies and more recently, taken calls from Barack Obama’s presidential campaign seeking his advice on mortgage and housing policy matters.

  14. debbie0040 says:

    links to the above articles

    link-http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E06E3D6123BF932A2575AC0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1

    .

    link-http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/15/AR2008071502827.html

  15. John Konop says:

    I am in no way defending Obama on his policy but McCain is not any better.

    McCain’s Scapegoat

    WSJ-John McCain has made it clear this week he doesn’t understand what’s happening on Wall Street any better than Barack Obama does. But on Thursday, he took his populist riffing up a notch and found his scapegoat for financial panic — Christopher Cox, the chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission.

    To give readers a flavor of Mr. McCain untethered, we’ll quote at length: “Mismanagement and greed became the operating standard while regulators were asleep at the switch. The primary regulator of Wall Street, the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) kept in place trading rules that let speculators and hedge funds turn our markets into a casino. They allowed naked short selling — which simply means that you can sell stock without ever owning it. They eliminated last year the uptick rule that has protected investors for 70 years. Speculators pounded the shares of even good companies into the ground.
    “The chairman of the SEC serves at the appointment of the President and has betrayed the public’s trust. If I were President today, I would fire him.”

    Wow. “Betrayed the public’s trust.” Was Mr. Cox dishonest? No. He merely changed some minor rules, and didn’t change others, on short-selling. String him up! Mr. McCain clearly wants to distance himself from the Bush Administration. But this assault on Mr. Cox is both false and deeply unfair. It’s also un-Presidential.

    Take “naked” shorting, in which an investor sells a stock short — betting that it will fall in price — without first borrowing the shares he is selling from an investor who owns them. The SEC has never condoned the practice, and since 2005 it has clamped down on short selling in any stock that shows evidence of naked shorting. The SEC further tightened its rules against naked shorting just hours before Mr. McCain excoriated Mr. Cox for doing nothing.

    The rules announced Wednesday will increase penalties and close loopholes that exempted broker-dealers from the rules against naked shorting. They also make it clear that deliberately selling short a stock whose shares cannot be borrowed is fraud under the Securities Exchange Act. That’s all to the good, we suppose; fraud is fraud. But regular short selling is not fraud. It adds valuable information to the market about what investors believe to be the price direction of a stock. Demonizing short-sellers as a band of criminals, or barring short-selling outright in financial stocks, as regulators in the U.K. did Thursday, removes information from the market.

    Then there’s Mr. McCain’s tirade against the “uptick rule,” a Depression-era chestnut that investors could only short stock after a rise in that stock’s price. The SEC staff studied the effect of the uptick rule on prices for years, in a controlled experiment involving thousands of stocks. It found the rule had no effect. Other studies, including those that examined the uptick rule’s effect on stocks disclosing bad news, also found that it “protected” no one. The SEC’s permanent staff has long supported repeal and the SEC’s commissioners voted to do so unanimously in June 2007.

    While he was at it, Mr. McCain added the wholly unsupported assertion that “speculators pounded the shares of even good companies into the ground.” It wasn’t very long ago that he blamed speculators on the long side for sky-high oil prices. Then oil prices fell. Now Mr. McCain wants voters to believe speculators are responsible for driving mismanaged financial companies to ruin. The irony is that this critique puts Mr. McCain in the same camp as some of the Wall Street CEOs who have led their firms so poorly. They also want someone (else) to blame.
    In case Mr. McCain is interested, overall short interest in financial companies actually declined by 20% between July and the end of August. That’s right: Far from driving this crisis, shorts were net buyers of financial stocks this summer, as they must buy stocks back to close their positions and realize their gains (or losses).
    In a crisis, voters want steady, calm leadership, not easy, misleading answers that will do nothing to help. Mr. McCain is sounding like a candidate searching for a political foil rather than a genuine solution. He’ll never beat Mr. Obama by running as an angry populist like Al Gore, circa 2000.

  16. Progressive Dem says:

    BS, well at least we all know that now your trying to use some facts, albeit weak, in your post. Common sense would lead any independent thinker to conclude that a $68,000 salary, $60,000 salary, $56,000 salary or even your $42,000 salary was more than sufficient to pay the part-time mayor of a city of 7,000.

    The chairman of the Fulton County Commission is paid $40,000. The Gwinnett Chairman makes $56,000. Those are fulltime jobs in large counties with huge tax bases.

    As a consevative, do you really want to be in a position of justifying a $68,000 salary for the mayor of a small town? I’m not sure what got Bill Simon’s panty’s in a wad, but he is obviously so jaded by party loyalty that he will defend anything Palin, regardless of the logic or his own conservative philosophy.

  17. Three Jack says:

    mccain is off on a populist tangent that everybody knows will be his methodology as president. unfortunately, when one tries to play a role that goes against previous positions, the person comes across as really ignorant (see statement about naked shorting in above article).

    obama is no better. he has 2 former fannie/freddie leeches as top economic advisors. it is highly unlikely that a community organizer has even the slightest clue about our economy.

  18. Three Jack says:

    obama in his press conference says he wants ceo’s to pay the price. wonder if that applies to former clinton admin flunkies who went on to work at fannie mae; franklin raines, jamie gorelick and jim johnson – combined they sucked over $100M from the quasi-private company.

    and btw, raines and johnson are advisors to obama.

  19. Bill Simon says:

    PD,

    “As a conservative, do you really want to be in a position of justifying a $68,000 salary for the mayor of a small town? ”

    As a conservative who believes that PEOPLE should be allowed to run their own municiaplities their own way, according to their own decisions, it isn’t up to me to decide which is fair and just because I certainly wouldn’t want Alaskans to be able to dictate what we pay Cobb county commissioners.

    What is it about YOU people (i.e., left-winged busy-bodies) that drives you to believe that YOU get to decide what is “fair” and what is not fair?

    All you care about is equal outcomes, NOT equal opportunity.

    For you, it doesn’t matter that Worker A in a company might have gobs more experience and training than Worker B (and, Worker B had just as much opportunity to get the same training as Worker A), if Worker A is White and Worker B is Black, and Worker A received the promotion while Worker B did not. YOU FOLKS will contend that Worker B did not get promoted because he was black.

    PD, you and your uppity liberal think-you-know-it-alls don’t know anything about reality. Everything is, literally, black-and-white, male-female, or dog-cat. You look at NO underlying variables. You don’t know how. You’ve never been taught that by those pointy-headed Haaaaavard intellectual putzes because they don’t want to teach you.

    It’s just plain too “hard” for you to think beyond easy, 15-second soundbites.

  20. Progressive Dem says:

    Billie S, Well that’s rich. You won’t pass judgement on the people of Alaska, but you will pass judgement on me. Very inconsistent, and very hypocritical.

    Now you are back to making things up. I thought you were showing progress by using facts, but it appears you’ve regressed.

    Here’s a thought, why don’t you try expressing your own views, and not proposing straw man arguements about how you imagine what I or anybody else thinks. It is called using facts to support your position. You don’t know sh*t from Shinola about what I think, or the way any other human being thinks. I’m not certain you even know what you think, but you sure as sh*t don’t know what I think! There are 13 different times in your post where you describe my beliefs. Stick to what you know or can prove, regardless of how limited that might be.

  21. Ga Values says:

    Saxby’s son Bo is a paid lobbyist for the ag industry.. he sells Saxby’s vote & writes his legislation. Georgia needs a senator, Saxby is the Corn/Ethanol’s Senator.

  22. Bill Simon says:

    PD,

    I’m not “presuming” anything. By your very screen name of being “Progressive Dem” you are on the Left. Left means you think you know better about how people should “do” things.

    YOU Asked ME as follows: “As a consevative, do you really want to be in a position of justifying a $68,000 salary for the mayor of a small town?”

    I responded. You clearly are NOT a “conservative” by the very fact that you think you should be the judge of who gets paid what.

    Furthermore, this thread isn’t my only exposure to your “thinking.”

    Deny all you want. The fact is, you have no rebuttal, just jabberwocky nonsense.

  23. Progressive Dem says:

    Billie S,

    Let’s regurgitate. I never established what Sarah Palin should be mking as mayor of Wasilla. I simply posed the question to readers if they thought $68,000 seemed high for a part-time mayor for a city of 7,000. I did judge her on the lies, distortions and half-truths that have been drooling out of her lipstick covered lips.

    You never challenged the statement about lies, but rather curiously began defending her salary, which wasn’t even the point, but you thought you could make some ridiculous claim about costs of living being 5 times higher. When then that argument blew up in your face, you justfied another salary. Sounds like you were judging.

    “Left means you think you know better about how people should “do” things.” As Ronnie said, “there you go again.” I mean can you be anymore trite and simplistic? That’s your retort? Is the collorary that you believe in the invisible hand of the free market? We are seeing the limitations of that confidence play out this month as a Republican administration and Democratic congress bails out the free market with taxpayers dollars.

    But just to spell it out for you, being a progressive doesn’t mean not believing in capitalism, choices or self-determination. And if that doesn’t fit neatly into your little paradiam of what the “the Left” means, maybe you shouldn’t presume that you know anything else about what other people think.

  24. Bill Simon says:

    PD,

    Do you know what the definition of a “claim” is?

    This is what I said with regards to the cost of living: “If the cost of living in Alaska is 5 times what it is in Georgia, then $60,000 is equivalent to $12,000 per year here.

    Do you know what “if” means, Dickhead?

    Clearly, you do not.

  25. Bill Simon says:

    PD, Part Two,

    And, yes, I am judging you to be a dickhead. Why? Because I’ve met a lot of people just like you in my 40 some-odd years of life…and they’ve all been dickheads. That pretty much makes you one too. 🙂

  26. Progressive Dem says:

    Billie, I already told you that “if” a frog had wings he wouldn’t bump his ass so much. We covered that flimsy excuse.

    You have been beat like a rented mule and now you have proven it to everyone that you have nothing more to add than a meaningless personal attack.

  27. Progressive Dem says:

    Palin is a liar, Billie. She claims she took a pay cut. The mayor’s salary was $61,000 when she entered and $68,000 when she left. She claims she opposed the Bridge to Nowhere, but she supported it as a candidate. She claims to oppose pork barrel spending, but she requested $200 million through discredited and corrupt Ted Stevens and Don Young. She sure is something to be proud of. Can you discuss any facts Billie?

  28. Doug Deal says:

    Passive Agressive Dem,

    What’s funny is that if Palin has a (D) next to her name and thought it was perfectly okay to kill babies as they are being born, you would say how wonder she is.

    Why not have more self respect and stop being someone else’s shill.

  29. bowersville says:

    Progressive Demwit, let me be real blunt with your [email protected], you don’t know squat about Alaska or the pioneer survival instinct.

    Progressive Dem, you are nothing but a computer hack. Let me give you a clue about life. When you defend yourself by describing what you are, you are nothing and I mean nothing. Study history and you might discover meaning in the words, “He who defends everything defends nothing,” or in appropriate terms, “He who attacks everything, attacks nothing,” you dickhead.

  30. Progressive Dem says:

    DD, Yes, I am a paid to blog on PP, and I take instructions from Moscow. Does that satisfy your conspiricy theory?

    You speak of self-respect, how much can your party have when you advance a candidate for VP that isn’t anywhere close to being a fiscal conservative, and who has already been tripped up in a handful of lies. Isn’t this pattern of deception a clue to how she would govern? Or do we just excuse these lies as excesses of a campaign? How do you just write them off? Certaintly if someone at my business claimed one thing in her job application, and it became obvious that she overstated her qualifications, it woud give me pause about her future performance.

    And how can anyone respect John McCain – a 72 year old man- for selecting someone with no foreign policy experience, when McCain has said that confronting Islamic extremism is the transcendent issue of our time? Are his words worth nothing? Was he serious when he said that, or did he compromise his principles when he decided he needed a dynamic, fresh face on the campaign trail?

    And abortion is not a litmus test for me. Yes, I’m pro-choice, but I could and have voted for candidates that oppose abortion.

  31. Progressive Dem says:

    Bville, Here is the thing about bogging: there is a thread. It has continuity. Can you make any effort to stay on the topic?

    What I said to you before bears repeating….Bville, Here’s a thought: the next time you have the urge to post something, try to make some sense. It is so much more interesting for the readers. You might have well have said, it is impossible for you to eat soup without an envelope.

  32. bowersville says:

    What bears repeating PD? A thought for you. The next time you write a dissertation try turning it in to your English teacher,dickhead, put it in an envelope nitwit.

    Besides I know you are a spelling bitch, but I don’t know a thing about bogging.

  33. bowersville says:

    Liar PD, tell me how Obama has any foreign policy experience. You can’t dickhead because he ain’t got none unless you figure in the Chicago murder rate.

  34. bowersville says:

    Progressive Demwit

    “Yes, I could have voted for candidates that oppose abortion.”

    Now Progressive Continuing Liar, tell me how that is?

    What would it have taken for Palin to get your vote?

  35. Doug Deal says:

    PD,

    Anyway, you are the perfect example of why there is such a problem getting decet people into government. To you, it’s only about winning, no matter who you are backing, no matter what they stand for, what kind of corruption they are capable of, or what tactics you have to use to destroy or demoralize your opponents. It’s only about the little D by their name, and nothing else.

    Few decent people want to be subject to that type of insane hatred just because one comes from a different point of view. When things are outrageously taking out of context and “evidence” manufactured in order to convince voters that a pretty normal person is exactly like an amoral a-hole (say a Senator from New Jersey), the personal without an ethical code has a built in advantage.

    There are people supporting both major parties that act this way, but the proportion in the Democratic side is at least 3-1. You are probably young and have probably had a life where your parents paid for and gave you pretty much anything you ever asked for. Of all my friends, the people who grew up with everything handed to them all seem to support Obama. My friends who have had to pay for their own school, work and struggle are all Republican.

    I think the reason why you Dems have so many crazed zealots on your side is that people who have had to struggle in their life (who know you can make it with hard work), generally develop empathy at some point. People who blog from their parent’s basement (the stereotypical young Democrat) expect mommy to fulfill every need and think that one only gets ahead when something is demanded of someone else. Never is there any understanding about how those demands affect other people.

    One day, I believe your side will permanently win, and the USA will fade into historical obscurity. But, we are not there yet, and we can delay that day as long as possible by preserve what is left of the greatest experiment in self government the world has ever seen.

    Over the top? Sure. But it’s all true.

  36. Progressive Dem says:

    More like disturbed, but he is at least coming back to some relevance, so let’s all encourage him.

    Obama is new to Washington kinda like George Bush, Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan, and Jimmy Carter. He has served on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee for the past 4 years, and he has co-sponsored with Senator Lugar (R) an important bill to help control nucular (I think that’s how you say it) weapons from the former Soviet Bloc countries. So B’ville, yes he has some foreign policy experience. I am more than happy to concede that he hasn’t been around Washington as long as John McCain or served as many years as McCain has on Armed Services, but he has foreign policy experience.

    The point is that JohnMcCain has said how signifcant foregn affairs are to the country, and yet he chose someone with no expereice in foreign policy. I’m pointing out the inconsistency in his arguement. I’ve also been pointing out the inconsistency in Palin regarding earmarks, and her fibs.

    With regard to me voting for Palin, it is a rather inarticulate question you posed since she is running on a ticket with John McCain, and like most voters my decison is predicated upon the presidential nominee. Sara Palin would have to be runnig with Barak Obama for me to vote for her, and if he chose her it would bring into question his judgement. I can’t tell you if I would have voted for her for governor or mayor. I don’t live in Alaska and I’m not familiar with the issues and candidates.

    And B’ville, I suggest when you graduate from high school you come back and blog. You’re kinda out of your league. I feel like I’m working over a special ed student.

  37. Progressive Dem says:

    DD,

    I’m 55 years old with a wife for 29 years. One son graduated from UGA another in engineering school. My kids went to public schools. We have been active in our community with youth sports coaching, PTA president, and neighborhood associations. I have served on the boards of directors of 3 different non-profits, as well as a county planning commission. The point is, I’m a responsible and active citizen. My father told me early on, I’ll pay for your education, you pay for your living expenses and don’t expect anything after that. That’s the same deal my kids get. I am fortunate, but not wealthy

    My posts have pointed out the inconsistencies in the McCain/Palin campaign. What I have said is factual. I have held them to conservative standards like opposition to earmarks, and no one has challenged those facts. Instead they start attacking the messinger. When they do, I dish it back. I’ve never expressed hate towards McCain or Palin. Have I been deressive? Yes. But politics isn’t bean bag, and when you run for office or blog you can expect people to poke holes in your arguments and beliefs.

  38. Doug Deal says:

    PD,

    If you are indeed a bona fide adult, I apologize for accusing you of taking up residence in your parent’s basement. However, I would recommend that you not get so caught up in thinking one side is so much better than the other that no matter what one side does they are always right and the other is always wrong.

    Both political parties are filled with some of the sorriest examples of human excrement. The treatment of Palin has been horrible and egregious. Pretty much everything she has said has either been twisted or taken out of context because people on the left fear a successful conservative woman, just like their fear a successful conservative black (Clarence Thomas).

    It is disgusting the way that your side using such aggressive hate-filled rhetoric to put these people in their place. It is worse than the over the top nonsense that people from the right used in accusing the Clintons of killing every one of their political opponents.
    In the end, it is to your side’s detriment to act in this way, as voters hate zealots. Pretty much everyone hates zealots except their fellow zealots.

  39. odinseye2k says:

    “Both political parties are filled with some of the sorriest examples of human excrement.”

    I’ll agree with that. There are some out-and-out broken people in this game.

    I’d say every liberal stereotype has its conservative counterpart. You may see the kids that had everything voting for Obama – I see all the obnoxious frat boys with rich daddies that will one day be paid better than the East Indians that have twice their intellect and four times their decency as the ones with the “Jackets for McCain” stickers at the football games.

    I guess I read here just to see the ugliness of the right-wing (which I very easily recognize as ugly) in order to attempt to train my eye toward the ugliness of the left-wing.

    Of course, the problem with defining “zealotry” is that whole Overton window thing. Let’s take Bob Barr, for example. As a Republican lawmaker, he was one of the Serious Ones that the media listened to and interviewed.

    As Libertarian candidate, he is the victim of Borat jokes.

  40. Bill Simon says:

    PD Sez: “Isn’t this pattern of deception a clue to how she would govern? ”

    Do tell us how uncomfortable and embarrassed YOU were during the Bill Clinton presidency, PD.

  41. Progressive Dem says:

    DD,

    I have no illusions of perfection on the left, but I certaintly don’t think Democrats are more hateful than the GOP. The stuff thrown at Hillary is and was beyond the pale. remember when John McCain was asked in the primaries, “what do we do about the bitch?” And then, he made no attempt to temper the fervor.

    Palin has been attacked primarily in the blogsophere, but the attaks she has recieved from the Obama campaign and Democratic leaders are pretty tepid and within reason. Some of the attacks in the blogoshere were picked up and repeated over and over again by the GOP and the Right, which is probably where most people heard the attacks.

    I would caution you and other conservatives to advocate your positions and not state what liberals positions are, or what liberals think. Rush Limbaugh and other right-wing talkers do this all the time. They tell you what liberals think, and they tell you why liberals think a certain way. Talk radio and other conservatives are a terrible source of information for what liberals think. Do you want me to tell you, how conservatives think? And if you want to hear hate, listen to Sean, Rush, Bill’O, and Michael Savage. There is no one that counters them on AM radio.

    You assumed that my problem with Palin is I fear a successful successful conservative woman. It isn’t fear at all. I don’t think the Democrats own the female vote. We have to earn and compete for their vote like everyone elses. We do so with extensive policy positions on matters that affect women. Palin is hardly the first successful conservative woman (Kay Bailey Hutchinson and Libby Dole). Ultimately I’m confident that women will vote in their best interest, and not based on gender. It is impossible for me to believe that someone committed to HRC, could turn around and vote for Sarah Palin. Their politics are diametricaly opposed. So while I respect Palin’s ability to turn out the base, I don’t think she pulls in many Hillary voters.

    Justice Thomas has been vehemently attacked. Some of it is over the top. I’m not trying to justify it, but usually the worst things said are about people who are considered hypocrites. Thomas is seen as a traitor to some because he benefited frm civil rights era laws, but doesn’t support many of them now.

    I would like to see more diversity of opinion within the black political community. There is certainly a diverse opinion with female voters. Voting in monolithic blocs is intellectually lazy and leads to some bad outcomes.

  42. Progressive Dem says:

    BS,

    I was embarassed by his dishonesty. I was also dissapointed that his presidency got sidetracked because he couldn’t keep his pecker in his pants.

  43. bowersville says:

    If I were Palin I’d flip off all of you progressive liberals and go home.

    Sarah, it ain’t worth it. Give the country to the liberal so-called progressives and let Pelosi and America go broke. Did you see Pelosi yesterday? A deer in the headlights because she saw her millions going away.

    And Progressive dipwit, I hope I am in over my head. Because I hope Obama/Biden get in the White house so you and your like minded progressive liberal ilk get what you think is best for this country. Then in about 2 years from now, I can stick my tongue out at you.

    No Taft, I’m not perturbed. I recognize the Socialist Communist Manifesto when Obama utters it, unlike Progressive Dem with all his education.

    By the way Progressive Dem, spare me your track history, put it in an envelope and go back to public school you jerk.

    Another point PD, you wouldn’t know hate if it was a bull goring your butt.

  44. bowersville says:

    Now for a serious point Prgressive dipwit.

    If you want to get to the social conservatives reading PP, why don’t you point out how Palin stood up to the Repugnants in Ak and signed the consent from the Alaska Supreme Court that couples of the same sex were entitled to mutual benefits under the Alaska Constitution?

    Huh? You didn’t know that because you haven’t ever been to Ak.

  45. bowersville says:

    Progressive Dem,

    You haven’t made a point yet. Tell us a little more about your shortcomings with public education won’t you.

    BTW, when you put it in an envelope, make sure it’s stamped and self addressed. Or better yet, go look in the mirror and say unto yourself, you are an idiot and if you don’t see a reflection, well you are still a liberal idiot.

    And if there is a reflection after you say you are a liberal idiot, don’t pay any attention to the reflection. You are still a liberal idiot.

  46. To you, it’s only about winning, no matter who you are backing, no matter what they stand for, what kind of corruption they are capable of, or what tactics you have to use to destroy or demoralize your opponents. It’s only about the little D by their name, and nothing else.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    That’s how the GOP got McCain, and why most R’s are supporting him — because he’s got an R by his name, even though it doesn’t fit him. Kool-aid drinkers, one and all.

  47. bowersville says:

    Oh, Progressive Dem, I was trying to get you to use that public education you have when you mentioned you could vote for someone that was pro-life.

    I was hoping you would mention Biden’s statements about being pro-life in his private life, but apparently your demented liberal attitude and public education doesn’t allow you to think beyond talking points.

    You sir are a fraud as far as thinking is concerned and a [email protected] lying liberal not free to think for yourself.

  48. Doug Deal says:

    odin,

    I actually gained respect for Bob Barr for the Borat movie scene. I like people who can take a joke, especially at their own expense.

    Barr, however was a bit of a right wing zealot on some issues in his own right, but has seemingly changed his mind entirely on a number of issues.

  49. Doug Deal says:

    taft,

    I have repeatedly said that I do not like McCain. He is the best and only option we have under the current circumstances because the one thing at which the Democrats are better than the Republicans is scraping the bottom of the barrel.

    Due to mismanagement of the GOP leadership since about 2000, McCain is sadly the best the GOP could contend with this election.

    If the Dems would not continuously raise the stakes in the importance of electing a President by playing games with the courts, or by being so eager in using Federal power to force their will on the states, lots of people would have less reason to resist them so vigorously.

  50. A) Saying you don’t like a candidate in the same breath as saying you’re going to waste your vote on him is hypocritical and is why the GOP is in the state it is in today;

    B) McCain is FAR from “the best the GOP could contend with this election,” but the GOP old guard made sure that the game was stacked in his favor. They will die, hopefully things will change.

  51. Doug Deal says:

    Taft,

    I do not like having an arm amputated, but if I was trapped in a cave in the mountains, I would certainly cut it off as to avoid dying out there (for those who think that came out of nowhere, it references a old news story). The Democrats have made their raking the Whitehouse a dangerous proposition, especially when coupled with having overwhelming control of Congress.

    Of course you want Obama to win (how Republican of you), so any specious argument you can come up against McCain seems logical to you.

  52. Progressive Dem says:

    B’ville,

    It’s one thing to walk around with your fly down. It’s altogether another to walk around knowing it’s down. Wake-up!

  53. Dave Bearse says:

    Dang Progressive Dem, I’m surprised you overlooked taking exception to Bill Simon’s math when he stated that Anchorage is 29.7% more expensive than Atlanta, and then stated $60,000 in Anchorage is equivalent to $42,100 in Atlanta, when it’s actually $46,261.

    Do you think he made a mistake in the heat of argument, or did he use FairTax math?

    Did Bill Simon use FairTax math, or did he rush the calculation in the heat of the debate when 1?

  54. Of course you want Obama to win (how Republican of you), so any specious argument you can come up against McCain seems logical to you.

    That’s the dumbest thing I’ve heard you say.

    Of course you want McCain to win (how conservative of you), so any specious argument you can come up with against anybody else seems logical to you.

    Yup. Kool-aid.

  55. bowersville says:

    Progressive Dem,

    While you are waking up this morning, think about this:

    The Kernal hack job on Palin’a email account. Yeah the Feds raided the son of a Democrat with warrants in Tennessee.

    The astroturfing of Palin video hit pieces on Youtube. Guess what, it looks like that one is going from Winner & Assoc. to Axelrod and guess where it might just end up. Of course Obama will claim it’s just a distraction from the real issues. It doesn’t matter that a cover up has begun as the panic has set in now does it?

  56. Icarus says:

    He says,

    Your candidate Obama talks a good game about working together to create a different political climate, but like most things Obama, it’s all talk and little substance.

  57. Doug Deal says:

    Progressive,

    “Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a fish, and he is highly educated when he gets eaten.” In that vein, I will give you a vocabulary lesson to augment the mere translation offered by Icasaurus.

    Kernal Hack Job – David Kernal is the son of Tennessee legislator (d) Mike Kernal and accused of hacking into Sarah Palin’s email account. Hence the “Hack Job”. Also refers to recently promoted former Major Horace T. Hackjob of the US Marines.

    Astroturfing – Artificial grass roots. Paid bloggers and other political activist who pretend to be acting on their own in a way as to disguise the involvement of a campaign directly. Often times used to smear one’s oponent with denyability.

    Winner & Assoc. – Winner and Associates, a public relations firm with ties to the Democratic party.

    Axelrod – David Axelrod, a Chicago area political consultant and a top advisor to Obama.

  58. Progressive Dem says:

    Thanks.

    A. The right wingnuts have been promoting the anti-Palin stuff so as to make her out to be a victim. Chances are you saw this stuff on red-side sites. I don’t see the stuff where I go.

    B. If you want to believe I’m paid, go ahead. I’m not, but I wish I was.

    C. Don’t hold your breath waiting for any of this to have an impact on the race. Have you seen the latest polls? I don’t think Dems are in a panic.
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/#data

  59. bowersville says:

    PD,

    Since you accused me of having my fly down and exposing myself, let me go ahead and P in your cornflakes.

    Sorry, you are wrong about the right wing nuts promoting the anti-Palin stuff.

    Ethan Winner released a statement claiming “he did it.”

    DD explained what Winner & Assoc is and who they provide services for. You didn’t read it on any of your normal blogs, probably because you read some of the ones that this particular smear ad was deleted from shortly after midnight.

    I’m sure Ethan was sitting up after midnight reading all the right wing blogs just waiting to see if he needed to delete the ad.

    Let me ask you this PD, why would you say you aren’t being paid when no one, as far as I know, has accused you of such? A statement like that raises a red flag.

  60. bowersville says:

    Progressive Dem,

    Don’t hold your breath waiting for any of this to have an impact?

    You’re right again, the story has no legs. Malkin had it yesterday, Boortz today and the O’Rielly Factor tomorrow.

    Do you think the story will ever go national?

  61. Bill Simon says:

    Dave Bearse,

    It’s called real math. Try this:

    1) Sarah gets paid $60,000 per year in Alaska.

    2) It costs 70.3% less to live in Atlanta than it costs to live in Alaska.

    Question: What is the equivalent of the the Alaska pay in Atlanta?

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