McCain’s speech

Have your say here and don’t clutter up the other threads.

Not a great speech, not horrible. The crowd never let McCain hit his stride because they kept chanting “USA”. That got old very quickly.

I also gotta ask myself, How can McCain protect this country from terrorists, if he couldn’t even keep a bunch of dirty dumb hippies out of his convention? Where these Paultard delegates who just didn’t give up, or left-wing nutjobs who infiltrated the convention?


  1. midtown_maven says:

    On policy and leadership in the White House, McCain wins.

    On crowds and motivation, change for change sake, Obama wins.

  2. tb says:

    Education is the civil right issue of the century. So true and profound.. among a host of other profound statements. Not the best delivery and his best delivery is always in town hall meetings, but when he told his story about what changed him as a man, I was moved to tears.

  3. Progressive Dem says:

    The convention rallied the base and ignored independents.

    The speech was dull as ditchwater.

    Nielson ratings for Obama speech exceeded American Idol Finals, Acadamey Awards and Opening Night for Olympics.

  4. atlantaman says:

    What’s scary is the Nielson ratings for Palin came close to Obama – and forget about Biden’s ratings.

    Watching McCain’s biographical video and then comparing it to Obama’s, whose work experience is community organizer, made me remember what a light-weight joke Obama is. It leaves me thinking of the “community organizers” we have in Atlanta and trying to imagine one of them running for President.

    Mr. profile-in-courage, voting present 130 times in the state senate, is trying to argue with Palin over who has more experience. Somebody remind Obama he’s not running for VP.

    Hillary said it best when she said, “McCain will bring a lifetime of experience…Obama will bring a speech that he gave in 2002.”

  5. Doug Deal says:


    So uncharacteristic of you to be so unbiased in your review of the convention. I would have never guessed that would be your thoughts. You really do not have even one predictable bone in your body.

    I am shocked.

  6. Harry says:

    Great convention. Thought the speeches of McCain, Palin, Guiliani, Huckabee were particularly strong and memorable. Romney’s speaking style not the greatest, but he showed intelligence and genuineness. Who else did I miss?

  7. Icarus says:

    “Have your say here and don’t clutter up the other threads.”

    …because all the other threads are so pristine as they are? Erick isn’t allowed to leave town without his iPhone again.

  8. Bill Simon says:

    “Nielson ratings for Obama speech exceeded American Idol Finals, Acadamey Awards and Opening Night for Olympics.”

    Who gives a crap what people watch on TV?

    Hey, PD…in case you have missed the newsflash: The Dimocrats are SO F*CKED this November 4th!

  9. midtown_maven says:

    It is amazing how a man show dull in the arena forum, has such a workhorse record of respect in the Senate.

    Total opposite of Obama.

  10. When McCain made the comment about Indian casinos, I looked quickly through the delegation to see if Ralph Reed was still there. Made eye contact with one of our state legislative members on the floor who by the look back was thinking the same thing. Ouch.

  11. GOPeach says:


    McCain was not directing that to Ralph personally – as Ralph would agree with him. That comment was directed at corruption.

    Democrat voters hate corruption as much as we do. It reminded them that we share this and McCain can be trusted to blow the whistle,

  12. GOPeach says:

    McCain said Education is the new civil rights movement. I agree but….

    The real civil rights movement is for the UNBORN.

    The civil right to life …

    then liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

  13. John Konop says:

    I just woke up. That McCain speech was a great sleeping pill!


    The National Review also thought it fell flat:
    Ehhhhh…maybe I’m missing some grand strategy or tactics, but I think it was a missed opportunity. Good that he did some policy. I liked that he championed free trade — something he didn’t have to do. I liked the fight, fight, fight stuff. Good that he was specific. I can come up with specific compliments about this or that. But it was flat, forced and basically a free pass for Obama.

    The New Republic thought the speech was flat:
    It’s not over yet but this is a very underwhelming speech. Familiar points explained in pedestrian terms. No overarching themes–right now it’s sounding like a State of the Union laundry list. Even the crowd in the hall isn’t jazzed. This is the sort of reception Tom Ridge got.

  14. midtown_maven says:

    >he couldn’t even keep a bunch of dirty dumb hippies out of his convention.

    The Republicans tried to keep them out.
    The Democrats invited them in.

  15. odinseye2k says:

    “The real civil rights movement is for the UNBORN.”

    Would that be the unborn at the size and development level of a brine shrimp or are we talking “every sperm is sacred” here?

    GOP platform: We love life … unless we, ya know, have to pay for anything. Except bombs. ‘Cuz they’re manly.

  16. Game Fan says:

    Chris Farris
    I’m thinking your use of the word “Paultards” is probably the only time you’ve ever really strayed off the neocon plantation to go against the top down strategy from the neotards. Maybe you better do a reality check and check with your bosses next time. Shill.

  17. Game Fan says:

    re: “Democrat voters hate corruption as much as we do.”

    Do you have an example of how you’ve ever exposed fraud and corruption from the current administration?

  18. Three Jack says:

    well written speech with catchy lines, just not so well delivered. give the same narrative to palin and we would all be talking about another home run.

  19. GOPeach says:

    Game – Sure do ….

    I was the ONLY blogger WHO FOUGHT to ELECT Congressman Paul Broun!!! EVERYONE fought me on his race. Even Erick! Now you all are singing his praises…. He is “The Ron Paul” of Georgia! Because I am much older than you fellas … I have been fighting corruption for many decades…

    I FIGHT the biggest most hennas corruption –

    Yes… that is a HUGE bureaucratic racket!

    Oh and FYI- The Pink Ribbon Campaign Coming up in October … funds ABORTIONS!


  20. Decaturguy says:

    Watching McCain’s biographical video and then comparing it to Obama’s, whose work experience is community organizer, made me remember what a light-weight joke Obama is.

    Wow, so Obama’s only experience was his job right out of college when he was in his 20’s. Forget about going to Columbia University, Harvard Law School, being the editor of the law review, his work as an attorney, author, state senator, U.S. Senator.

    Criticize his experience all you’d like, but Barack Obama is not exactly Markel Hutchins.

    And your party’s condecending and obnoxious tone does nothing to help your cause.

  21. tb says:

    Good work gopeach. I have fought corruption in school districts, there is a lot of that too. That’s a huge racket you know too. Out -of -touch bureaucrats get in the way of the teacher and parent and student every day across Georgia. Let’s never forget that we have to educate everyone that walks through the halls of a school, per federal law… but school districts will find any means necessary to put those children that have chronic learning disorders, autism, and other medical problems OUT of the system into other institutions that mistreat them. public schools and Psycho-ed facilities are a disgrace in Georgia.
    Then when you report a problem, like locking up these kids in a locked closet or isolation room, they circle the wagons. There is no way to report anything to authorities in an unbiased way. The state dept of education is a joke. As well as other agencies in this state and the federal level that are supposed to ‘watch over’ school districts for violations.

    Did i mention that parents that stand up for their kids risk many things, including retaliatory tactics by school districts. They will do anything they want to you or your child. Not only do they do this to special ed children, but regular ed kids and families too.

  22. Doug Deal says:


    The years spent in a university setting are nigh worthless compared to any amount of time out in the real world when it comes to leadership. What does law school teach you about leading people? In college you learn a great deal about a bunch of theoreticals, but until those are put into practice, one is nothing but a rookie.

    Is it too much to ask for our supposed leaders to do the one thing that 99.999% of us do, get a real job.

  23. kyleinatl says:

    I read somewhere recently that Palin cut special needs education funding in Alaska…I have no idea if that’s actually true. But if it is…that flies a bit in the face of her speech.

    As far as McCain goes, he seriously needs to get rid of whoever handles the logistics on his campaign. The presentation was awful last night. It’s like they had two different campaigns set up the staging and writing the speeches for Palin and McCain. The difference was pretty stunning.

  24. Romegaguy says:

    If I was Obama, I would hire GOPeach to go around the country promoting McCain and Palin. The landslide for him would be huge.

  25. GAWire says:

    kyle, you’re quite the expert. perhaps you should be ‘handling logistics’. And on funding, I don’t know if she cut it or not, but just b/c she might cut funding in something does not mean she doesn’t support it. Funding for all kinds of programs get cut all the time – i.e., Medicare – does that mean we don’t support providing healthcare for elderly people??? Newsflash: a lot of gov’t sh*t is over-funded. It’s called pork and she has cut that sh*t like Slopes!

  26. kyleinatl says:

    Literally working on campaigns since 2004 (presidential in 04, congressional in 06) can give you a little perspective on what works and what doesn’t, I’ve been on both sides of that coin. I can promise you, were I interested in working for a Republican campaign…he would have at least not been in front of a green backdrop, been washed out by stage lighting, or wearing a black suit that made him look like an undertaker. He would have delivered a speech that focused on his strengths and not attempted to hand some kind of olive branch to Obama, nor should he have co-opted the change argument, now making him look like he’s following Obama’s lead.
    This is the second McCain speech I’ve seen that was this poorly planned (the first was the much publicized speech he gave the night of Obama’s nomination – aka “that’s not change we can believe in”).
    Presentation is more important than you might think. A poorly planned speech can turn off a voter who doesn’t really pay much attention to the issues, and I don’t think we’ll argue that there’s lots of those.

  27. Theresa says:

    My favorite line was I am not a perfect servant, but I am a servant. I want a President that knows his job is to serve his country and his people. I am a veteran and I would follow McCain to war. I am a working mother of 4 and I think Palin represents all mothers and working women. We do it all because we have to and because we want to. I have faith in her gumption and her experience.

    McCain’s speech was in pedestrian terms – GREAT – the average american knows what he stands for. Obama is right up there with the usual Democratic jargon – “Please define is”. Someone pass him a cigar.

  28. Progressive Dem says:

    Speaking of presentation, they tried to have a picture of Walter Reed Hospital as a backdrop phot. They ended up with a picture of Walter Reed Middle School.

  29. bowersville says:

    Those styrofoam Greek temple columns are again on the back lot is just killing you Obamamaniacs. Just admit it.

    But it’s the star power, the American idol, no substance circus act that matters.

  30. tb says:

    The school districts by and large are wasting federal and state dollars on pet projects. Let’s get back to the basics and hold school districts accountable, give the money to the educator in the classroom. The school districts are far from underfunded and they are poor stewards of taxpayer dollars. I have proven this fact time and time again by doing open records requests on school district financing.

  31. Bill Simon says:

    I hope we get some more uttertances from actor-morons like Alec Baldwin and Julia Roberts stating they will “move out of this country” if a Republican gets elected.

  32. kyleinatl says:

    Correct, but on TV (which is the audience that matters) all you saw was green.
    It wasn’t helped by how his handlers had McCain positioned on stage. But whatever…we’ll see how this all shakes out in a couple of weeks.

  33. odinseye2k says:

    “The years spent in a university setting are nigh worthless compared to any amount of time out in the real world when it comes to leadership. What does law school teach you about leading people? In college you learn a great deal about a bunch of theoreticals, but until those are put into practice, one is nothing but a rookie.”

    Doug, you’ve obviously not been to school for a long, long time (or maybe ever with a professional degree).

    Even in a field as individualistic as engineering, teamwork is drilled into you over and over again on projects. Dealing with dead-wood, uncooperative people, fighting over schedules and popularity contests … all that petty crap that people seem to be able to inject into even the most rational exercise – been there, done that. Also had to train people, bring them up to speed, brief industry leaders and managers and convince skeptical crowds that our work is not simple handwaving and actually has some benefit to them.

    Managing something like the Harvard Law Review means dealing with big egos and a probably a lot of country-club pricks that thought their family name should promote them over the Uppity One.

    So, yes, school matters and it isn’t for the piece of paper. There is a lot that goes on outside the curriculum in college and especially for advanced degrees.

    There’s plenty of room for mustangs and real-world education as well, but at non-UGA colleges, school can be rather useful.

  34. tb says:


    Take a hard look at how school districts protect themselves. Open records requests will tell you who is protecting them. Asking the right questions will tell you who is protecting them. Seek and you shall find. I hope people do this. Do not let your school board and its votes go without close scrutiny.

  35. Doug Deal says:


    I have a degree in chemical engineering, and also majored in physics (no degree). You learn a great deal about problem solving and communication, but that type of experience is mere prep work to real life.

    A line cook might chop onions with exceptional skill, prepare a basic sauce with excellent consistency, but it is the chef that puts it all together to make it a dish. They are similar roles (both prepare food), but until one actually enters the cut-throat real world, no one has the credentials to be a leader.

    Do you really think that Biden and Obama know anything about what it is like to be a normal person? Really?

    I would love to hear your explanation as to why, as I could use a good laugh.

  36. GAWire says:

    Kyle, been there/done that too, buddy. If you have, then you’d know it’s a little more complicated than it looks/sounds. Everyone wants to be the QB, right? Everyone thinks they’re presidential speechwriters, in full Rob Lowe style. Oh and working 72 hr Victory Program doesn’t count for real national campaign work. Maybe if you would have said you did advance or something, then you’d know about planning events. Listen, I’ll admit McCain’s speech didn’t have the aesthetics that others had, but it’s McCain … he’s never been pretty and he doesn’t hide it b/c he doesn’t care. Btw, I know the people running the show at the convention – they’re the best out there, short of Hollywood producers, which some of them are (or at least NY media producers). Again, it’s easy being the expert from the couch.

  37. debbie0040 says:

    From Rasmusen Reports:

    Palin Power: Fresh Face Now More Popular Than Obama, McCain
    Friday, September 05, 2008 Email to a FriendAdvertisementA week ago, most Americans had never heard of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin. Now, following a Vice Presidential acceptance speech viewed live by more than 40 million people, Palin is viewed favorably by 58% of American voters. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 37% hold an unfavorable view of the self-described hockey mom.

    The figures include 40% with a Very Favorable opinion of Palin and 18% with a Very Unfavorable view (full demographic crosstabs are available for Premium Members). Before her acceptance speech, Palin was viewed favorably by 52%. A week ago, 67% had never heard of her.

    The new data also shows significant increases in the number who say McCain made the right choice and the number who say Palin is ready to be President. Generally, John McCain’s choice of Palin earns slightly better reviews than Barack Obama’s choice of Joe Biden.

    Perhaps most stunning is the fact that Palin’s favorable ratings are now a point higher than either man at the top of the Presidential tickets this year. As of Friday morning, Obama and McCain are each viewed favorably by 57% of voters. Biden is viewed favorably by 48%.

    There is a strong partisan gap when it comes to perceptions of Palin. Eighty-nine percent (89%) of Republicans give her favorable reviews along with 33% of Democrats and 59% of voters not affiliated with either major party.

    She earns positive reviews from 65% of men and 52% of women. The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll shows that Obama continues to lead McCain among women voters while McCain leads among men. The Friday morning update—the first to include interviews conducted after Palin’s speech–showed the beginning of a Republican convention bounce that may match Obama’s bounce from last week.

    Fifty-one percent (51%) of Americans believe that most reporters are trying to hurt Palin’s campaign, a fact that may enhance her own ratings.

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    Fifty-one percent (51%) of all voters now believe that McCain made the right choice when he picked Palin to be his running mate while 32% disagree. By way of comparison, on the night after Biden gave his acceptance speech, 47% said that Obama made the right choice.

    Eighty-one percent (81%) of Republicans say that McCain made the right choice while just 69% of Democrats said the same about Obama.

    Among unaffiliated voters, 52% said that McCain made the right choice for his running mate and 45% said the same about Obama.

    Forty percent (40%) now say that Palin is ready to be President, if necessary. That’s up from 29% last week. Forty-nine percent (49%) say the same about Biden.

    However, following the Wednesday night speech, voters are fairly evenly divided as to whether Palin or Obama has the better experience to be President. Forty-four percent (44%) of voters say Palin has the better experience while 48% say Obama has the edge. Among unaffiliated voters, 45% say Obama has better experience while 42% say Palin.

    Fifty-eight percent (58%) of voters say that Palin’s speech helped McCain’s chances of becoming President while only 10% believe it hurt those prospects.

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  38. Doug Deal says:

    Ga Wire,

    I also think they intentionally wanted it to not look like a perfectly executed Hollywoodesque production to contrast McCain and Obama.

    Obama decided to play up the celebrity side of his candidacy, which I think was the real mistake.

  39. tb says:

    Kyle, nope..born and raised in another state. Moved out of original state to georgia seeking a job and affordable housing. Lost my shirt when I did 14 years ago. I was educated in a private Catholic school system back then.

  40. odinseye2k says:

    “Do you really think that Biden and Obama know anything about what it is like to be a normal person? Really?”

    Honestly, I don’t think any national-level pol knows what it’s like to be a normal person. Biden has probably lived the closest to a normal person out of the whole quartet, but the Senate is a far cry from carrying a lunch pail.

    Now, it’s probably pretty obvious which pair I believe takes the normal person’s story more to heart and has a better policy plan. But, no, I don’t have much illusions that any of these guys would stop by my lunch table for a beer unless I had something they *really* wanted to hear.

  41. kyleinatl says:

    We’re going to agree to disagree, and leave it at that. If you could just leave the presuming anything about my experience at the door, I’d appreciate it.
    The real effectiveness of these conventions will be judged in about 2 weeks or so. Right now, everything that comes out are “honeymoon” polls on both sides.

  42. odinseye2k says:

    And I’m also cognizant that even as a “normal person,” I pretty much owe my current existence to the magic of the SAT.

    I might have been a tinkerer/inventor like my first boss otherwise, but School of Hard Knocks has a very slow and inefficient curriculum.

  43. GAWire says:

    Kyle, I won’t presume anything about your experience if you don’t Monday morning quarterback the behind-the-scenes work to death. If you’ve been there, then you know it’s harder than it looks, so there’s no point in criticising unless you were directly involved. So we’ll just leave it at that.

    We will agree on the ‘honeymoon effect’ though. Conventions don’t mean much in the long run, except for situations like the GOP is in right now where we introduced a new homerun hitter in Palin during the RNC. The convention was all kudos for the GOP whereas it was SOS (same ole sh*t) for Obama & Co. The polls are reflecting that, but your insinuation is correct … unless we deliver over the next two months, then none of it will mean anything, and I’ll have to leave the country again!

  44. Harry says:

    This was written by a friend, and he e-mailed it around:

    This was written by a friend:

    I have to say, I am quite breathless over this latest development in the campaign – Sarah Palin. I’ve been waiting to see what sort of person we got here, and I have to say so far she’s looking pretty good. There have been a few, shall we say, “surprises” in her family unit, but it strikes me still as a completely normal – and warmly American – family. At first, I have to admit, I thought McCain was pulling in a “skirt” as a cheap stunt in order to shake up the press and try to steal some Hillary-ites. But when I saw her bio I thought, that ain’t happening. No Hillary supporter is going to switch over to McCain just because of Palin. At least not enough to matter.

    And then I saw her speak last (Wed.) night. Wow…she could not have been any better. I saw a real folksy, honest, smart, tough woman who also happened to be a great mom; a great wife, an outstanding governor and somebody Joe Biden had better be careful with when they meet in their debate. I mean, he will probably beat her on the basis of foreign affairs & maybe the national economy (maybe) but he won’t make her look silly. On the other hand she just might end up stealing the show from him before the nights out. She has that potential.

    I had 90% made up my mind I would not vote for John McCain for a number of reasons. McCain-Feingold, McCain-Lieberman, McCain-Kennedy, Gang of 12, the lies (by somebody) about those mysterious Bush North Carolina “push-poll” calls back in 2000 that were never actually made, McCain’s swallowing the idiotic theory of SUV-caused Global Warming, his big-mouthed mother telling me I was going to HAVE to just hold my nose and vote for her son..(grrrrrr!!!)..lots of reasons.

    But it gets tougher and tougher to stick to my non-vote. Obama gets worse and worse, the more I read about him. I am convinced that, while this guy may not be a Muslim, but he IS a radical communist. He will ruin our economy with his idiotic tax policies; he will probably appoint Supreme Court Justices who are to the Left of Lenin. Guys like Cornel West. Or, maybe even Hillary. Or Bill. Or both. And there’s his friendship with Bill Ayers, the ex-Weatherman terrorist. The worst thing about this guy isn’t the few bombs he planted, the worst thing about this guy is the fact that he’s now a college professor teaching future K-12 teachers to teach their little charges the wonders of socialism. In a piece written by a Sol Stern, we learn that, Ayers isn’t just an “English professor”, as Barak described him.

    “Would that Ayers were just another radical English professor. In that case, his poisonous anti-American teaching would be limited to a few hundred college students in the liberal arts. But through his indoctrination of future K–12 teachers, Ayers has been able to influence what happens in hundreds, perhaps thousands, of classrooms.

    That’s scary stuff. And with a friend in the White House, who knows how far Ayers could spread his propaganda.

    So, all is looking pretty black for America and along comes Sarah “Barracuda”…

    …and I have to say I’m getting a funny feeling about her arrival on the scene. Think about this; just when things are blackest, the Lord has always sent somebody to bail us out. George Washington, John Adams & Thomas Jefferson. Then Abraham Lincoln and U.S. Grant. Then FDR, Gen. George S. Patton & Enrico Fermi.

    And then Ronald Reagan came along followed by Geo. W. Bush. I believe all of these men were sent by God to save us from sure destruction at critical times. He has never failed us. And now, just when it looks as though there is nothing standing in Obama’s way except a tired old man, when BAM!!! Sarah changes everything. It’s literally like a switch was flipped. Today An Obama presidency is no longer a sure thing. Today I see a good, decent and honest woman who could be in the White House for 16 years, if she’s just a little lucky. If we’re a little lucky. I mean, I was getting very emotional listening to her speak at the convention and I thought, “This is the woman who could lead us out of the wilderness!” And then tonight I’m listening to John McCain speak and the SOB really impressed me. He spoke quietly from the heart and then he got to the big finish and he really got wound up. I hope you heard him, if not try to find it on the internet. It was a spectacular speech. He NEVER gives spectacular speeches!

    So now I’m thinking, maybe this isn’t all just coincidence. Maybe God is going to bail us out one more time….

    Who am I to ignore Him?

    I guess I’m going to hold my nose after all…..God help us!

    Blessings to you all,

    Tony A.

  45. Progressive Dem says:

    Palin family exercises their rights to consider an abortion

    “Bristol Palin, one of Alaska Gov. Palin’s five children with her husband, Todd, is about five months pregnant and is going to keep the child and marry the father, the Palins said in a statement released by the campaign of Republican presidential candidate John McCain.

    Bristol Palin made the decision on her own to keep the baby, McCain aides said. ”

    The emphasis here is “made the decision”. What decision would that be? The decision to carry the baby to full term. Apparently Bristol and her parents recognize that she has a right and a choice to keep the baby. According to the statement, Bristol exercised that right and that choice. Her ability to have a choice and to make a decision is conveyed upon them via Roe V Wade. However, Sara Palin doesn’t want other 17 year-olds, or 44 year-olds to have the choice, or to be able to MAKE THE DECISION that her daughter just made.

  46. GAWire says:

    Prog Dem, you’re trying to make a stupid argument with facts everyone knows, all the while missing the actual point. Who gives a sh*t if she made a choice not to or was forbidden to have an abortion? The baby will get to live. That’s the point. Either way, overturning RvW is not anyone’s radar (at least not for real), so why debate it? The *choice* which you think must be there (despite the costs) is there right now. Either way, I’m sure all the children that were aborted would have loved to have a *choice* but since you don’t think they’re ‘qualified’ to have the very choice you’re advocating for, I guess we’ll just go on with your absurd argument. Congratulations, we’ve come full circle.

  47. bowersville says:

    That’s what’s so fascinating about this whole national argument in this election. And it has come full circle in my lifetime.

    I never thought anyone would dare play the race card on Bill Clinton, sexists on the press and the Democrats.

    Oprah won’t have Palin on, etc, etc, etc.

    And to beat it all, a male Presidential nominee of African American decent that thus far, has focused on running against a white female VP nominee.

    Dang, the Maverick and his advisors have pulled one of the most facinating parodoxes of all time.

  48. jsm says:

    So having the “choice” to kill a living human life is a good thing?

    Remember that 93-95% of mothers “choose” to kill the baby merely to avoid the responsibility.

  49. Progressive Dem says:


    The fact is she exercised her right to choose. Why did they acknowldge that she made a choice? Why didn’t they just say, she looks forward to the birth of her child. Apparently they considered their options.

  50. midtown_maven says:

    Education as qualification is a TRAP

    Remember this the next time your candidate from either party graduates from a lesser known college.

    Harvard Republican vs Bulldog Democrat
    Duke Democrat vs Georgia State Republican

    Oh sure like which college matters……

  51. jsm says:

    PD, they weren’t promoting the fact that she had the ability to make the choice. They were stating that she made the right one.

  52. Progressive Dem says:

    JSM, Somehow I doubt that in a scientific survey that 93-95% of mothers precisiely said or agreed with the statement “they were killing their babies because they were avoiding responsibility”. I can believe someone else said that about them, but I doubt those are the words they used to describe their decision.

  53. jsm says:

    What else would you call it, PD, if the “choice” is based on something other than rape, incest, or danger to the mother’s life?

  54. Progressive Dem says:

    I’m sure they weren’t intending to promote that she had a right, but she has a right to choose and she exercised it. They had options and they considered them. Palin wants to take away the options that her daughter just considered.

  55. Theresa says:

    However, following the Wednesday night speech, voters are fairly evenly divided as to whether Palin or Obama has the better experience to be President. Forty-four percent (44%) of voters say Palin has the better experience while 48% say Obama has the edge. Among unaffiliated voters, 45% say Obama has better experience while 42% say Palin.

    Did I miss something – Obama is running for President, Palin is running for Vice President. Why is his experience being compared to hers? His experience should be compared to McCain’s. But it doesn’t so he is pitting himself against Palin – who still trumps him.

  56. Icarus says:

    Shhh Theresa,

    by the time the Kos Kids find out they’re doing much more harm to their candidate than good, we should be days away from the election and up by 5-6 points.

  57. Progressive Dem says:

    Neither side is going to campaign on abortion. Nobody likes discussing it. The campaign acknowledged that she had and made a choice. Don’t you think it is ironic that Sarah Palin doesn’t think others should others have the choice that her daughter recently made?

  58. midtown_maven says:

    No I do not find it ironic.

    Governor and Vice President to be Palin would have been violating the law if she would prevented her daughter from making that choice.

  59. GAWire says:

    Prog Dem, I find it ironic that you’re justifying the realization that ‘progressive’ apparently means ignorant and ‘Dem’ means dipsh*t.

  60. GAWire says:

    PD, I saw a poll showing 100% of babies didn’t wanted to be terminated. Margin of error was +/- 0. It was scientific.

  61. Progressive Dem says:

    GW, Thank god you have the internet to release all that anger you have built up inside. Show me the survey.

  62. midtown_maven says:

    The Indian Casino comment was aimed at Abramoff who was sentanced to four years in federal prison yesterday ( Thursday ).

    Beware an October Surprise

  63. bowersville says:

    Anyone besides me waiting on BoyReporter to give us an explanation about the McCain speech being viewed by 500K more viewers than the Obama speech?

  64. tb says:

    Has anyone heard of this Public Allies Group out of Chicago. There has been facts put up on the Investment Business Daily about this organization. Please read up!

  65. atlantaman says:

    Did anybody see that the GOP convention was the most watched convention, of any political party, ever.

  66. GAWire says:

    PD, I saw another survey that showed 100% of respondents said you are an idiot. That noise is the sound of sarcasm going right over your head.

    Sjh, I think I already made that point a while back.

  67. Harry says:

    I spoke with a Republican-Lite type this evening. He initially said people like us were making too much out of the Ayers business. I patiently explained some facts….like for example Obama was the guy Ayers set up to be the treasurer of their little committee that doled out $100 million of Annenberg money on behalf of hard leftist causes and curriculum changes that were planned to de-Americanize schools – not to mention some of that money undoubtedly went to buy off politicians and opinion makers to pave the way for BO’s House and Senate runs, and fund the Obama campaign finance committee. My friend allowed that if we can fill in details that we may be onto something. I told him that a respected, experienced researcher is working to document and report on the findings. We will soon know a lot more, most likely.

  68. bowersville says:

    PD, why don’t you offer something useful like, Palin should have aborted that down syndrome baby and not let him be a burden, should have left that AK trooper employed that put a taser to his step child or how Palin is promoting murdering those poor innocent wolves with AK-47s.

    You and your hero JimmyC need to get back to beating those silly rabbits over the head with a boat paddle.

  69. Bill Simon says:

    Relevance? PD wants “relevance?” Here’s some relevance for you, PD, from the Associate Press on September 5th:

    “Nielsen said that 38.9 million people watched McCain accept the GOP nomination Thursday on either ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, Fox News Channel or MSNBC. PBS, which has a more imprecise estimate based on samples in a few big cities, said 3.5 million watched on its network.

    Last week, Obama’s speech in Denver was seen by 38.4 million on 10 different commercial networks, and an additional 4 million on PBS.

    Add it up, and that’s McCain, 42.4 million, to Obama, 42.4 million.

  70. boyreporter says:

    bowersville // Sep 5, 2008 at 5:48 pm

    “Anyone besides me waiting on BoyReporter to give us an explanation about the McCain speech being viewed by 500K more viewers than the Obama speech?”

    It’s simple Bowelsville: car wrecks attract more people…

  71. bowersville says:

    car wrecks attract more people…to a degree BR.

    I’m sure with as much lefty blog traffic and media pressure, there were quite a few progressives anticipating that poor little frontier woman, being in seclusion and all, that expected her to come out squalling and whining.

    Let me personally thank all you left wing progressives for the build up of interest before the convention. Please keep up your good work on Palin.

    You heard about that tsunami positive bounce for McCain/Palin coming? It’s not too late for moderates to go ahead and evacuate Obama-mania.

  72. Progressive Dem says:

    BS, You aren’t too consistent. Here is what you said earlier in this post:

    “Who gives a crap what people watch on TV?”

    Which way do you want it? Both ways? Kinda like Palin and McCain on earmarks.

  73. Progressive Dem says:

    Bowersville, When is she going to come out from seclusion and the shelter of McCain’s handlers. Apparently she can’t face the press on foreign affairs and economic policy. She is a not ready for prime time player.

  74. boyreporter says:

    Well said, PD. I can’t wait for her to be put on the spot about being the earmarks queen for Wasilly, AK, cozying up the wacko “Independence for Alaska” activists (they could use our old rebel flag), using state funds for religious purposes, belittling people who use their time trying to help people in communities in need, putting her prego daughter front and center of the media (“they” didn’t do it, she did) instead of keeping it the private, family matter that they now claim it is. She’s a hypocrite, and so is McCain. And no-one is excited but the base, which is shrinking (in-breeding tends to do that).

  75. bowersville says:

    Amy Morton wrote at Tondees Tavern, “A Profound Miscalculation.” Read the 1st comment. Wise advice.

    But, we all know that advice isn’t now nor will it be taken in the future. The progressives will make sure of that.

  76. Bill Simon says:

    The funniest term used on this thread is “progessive left-wingers.”

    There isn’t one iota of a difference between PD and the leftists of the 1970s.

  77. midtown_maven says:

    You folks have it all wrong.

    McCain picked Palin to bring the party together, draw in Sam’s Club Republicans with a new voice, and show he was serious about his maverick reputation.

    The “pulling Hillary voters” line is journalist and columnist talk.

  78. bowersville says:

    What I find so hilarious is the progressives trying to tie Palin to being a redneck, a racist, a confederate flag waver, a gun clinger….I thought eating organic red meat was politically correct these days.

    I guess the difference is whether one harvests it yourself (moose hunting) or go buy it in a sanitary plastic wrapper at the grocery.

    They don’t know the difference in a pioneer spirit and a welfare queen.

  79. tb says:

    last time I checked my history it was the Southern Democrats that did not want the civil rights act and a Republican signed it into law.

    If the current dems could PLEASE check the history, Republicans have done more for civil rights than the dems could ever dream.. remember Lincoln?

  80. Bill Simon says:


    I read Amy Morton’s opinion. Did you see her “tags” on her article: ” feminism, Women, barack obama, President, Vice President, RNCC, Sarah Palin, John McCain”

    “Feminism” is the very first one, and then “Women” is actually capitalized. Frankly, I’m surprised she didn’t spell it as “Womyn.”

    She (and her breathren) actually believe that Republicans think like Democrats think. We don’t. And, I think she and her fellow bra-burners are going to be in for quite the rude awakening if McCain-Palin trump her ticket.

  81. bowersville says:

    I missed the tags.

    Watch the screams if Palin doesn’t bow down to the demands of the media and the progressives that Palin needs to answer our questions right here, right now.

    News media/progressive demands on Palin: appear here, appear now, appear often.

    Palin: my terms, town hall meetings, debate, select appearances.

  82. Icarus says:


    find it interesting at how the same media was complicit in Hillary’s “listening tour” that seemed to last for about 7 years?

  83. bowersville says:

    Ic, the public at large is seeing it the same way.

    Obama has a wedgie and is running against Palin.

    The progressives’ panties are in a wad.

    The news media is spitting into the wind.

    Axelrod is running against the McCain campaign.

    Who’s Biden?

    And all the public wants to do is see Palin.

  84. Icarus says:

    Gallup has McCain/Palin up by 3,
    Zogby has McCain/Palin up by 4.

    What a difference a week of unfounded attacks by a completely unhinged left makes…

  85. midtown_maven says:

    The state dems bet the rent money on making progress this year.

    Attention Jane Kidd THIS IS STILL A RED STATE. Please find a bloodhound and maybe you can find some moderate Democrats to help win a few house seats.

  86. By the way, Chris, the “Paultards” (only idiots and imbecilic neocons use that word, by the way) didn’t cause ANY disruptions at the RNC, even though there were 300-500 verified to be there on the floor. The Ron Paul supporters (all of whom were self-identifying by wearing “Old Right” buttons) learned the rules, and abided by them in their attempts to get a speaking slot for Dr. Paul. They could have waved signs, but they didn’t. They could have flown banners, but they didn’t. They could have tried to rush the stage and burn their delegate credentials, but they didn’t. The RedHats and the BlackHats were disappointed, but the RP’ers kept their cool in the face of harassment, stop-search-and-seizures, confiscations, and RedHats and BlackHats trailing them all over the Xcel Center.

    Stop talking about things you don’t know anything about. Maybe you should have gone to the Real Politics Training School with 600 other fee-paying patriots, or to the Campaign for Liberty Leadership Summit with a delegate from every single congressional district in the nation, or to the Rally for the Republic with 12,000 radical Constitutionalists having more fun than the dinosaurs across the river at the RNC.

    Seriously, are you actually an official in the Republican Liberty Caucus, led for so many years by Ron Paul himself? Wow…

  87. Icarus says:

    USA Today has McCain/Palin up by TEN points w/likely voters, by 4 among registered voters.

    Think it’s time to regroup on your Palin plan of attack yet, fellas?

  88. bowersville says:

    I’m just glad the shrill factor didn’t notice the puke green background during Maverick’s acceptance speech or Palin’s hair.

    Maybe they can send out some more of those “I got this email from a friend that lives in Alaska” emails telling how everybody in Alaska is a toothless red neck and rides a snowmobile.

  89. prayforournation says:

    We need John McCain has our next president for mnay reason but number one being when need to stem the tide of the liberal anti God democrats from taking over our country and destroying our constitutional freedoms. We who have faith in God must stand against this evil, we must stand up for God’s holiness and rightousness. One thing but definitly not the only thing we can do is vote for those canidates like McCain who is pro life, pro marriage and pro freedom. We also must pray, pray for salvation of the lost, pray for God’s mercy, pray against the liberal’s satanic agenda and pray for godly leaders and also pray for ourselves who are the body of Christ that we will not be like world, that we will not compromise when it comes to what God says in His word. We must live out our faith and live out God’s Word.

  90. debbie0040 says:

    Man, the left wing liberals are really frightened of Palin and they should be. She has energized the base and put a different face on the Republican Party.

    Judging from the reaction of the femi-nazis like Steinham to Palin, they only believe in liberation if you are a liberal woman.

    The reaction of the mainstream media and femi-nazis to Palin has been pretty sexist. Why hasn’t anyone asked men how they can govern and take care of their children? Why wasn’t John Edwards asked when he was running in 2004 for President how he could take care of his children and a wife with cancer ?

    Who Pays Palin’s Child Care? Don’t Ask the GOP

    Palin should strike fear in the hearts of Democrats

  91. Progressive Dem says:

    Well, it didn’t take long…Over the weekend Palin told voters in Colorado that, “Fannie Mae and Freddic Mac had gotten too big and and expensive for taxpayers.” WTF!

  92. Icarus says:

    If you look at the language in the takeover, both entities must start to reduce their portfolios after 2010 from a current approx $800BN to approx $250BN over the next 5-10 years.

    Thus, she’s correct.

    Try again.

  93. Icarus says:

    Three Jack,

    am currently working on a post (probably for, as it’s off topic here) dealing with the very real possiblity of the 269 electoral tie that we might be facing. If we thought it was bad after “Gore won”, I can only imagine what it will be like if that happens.

  94. Icarus says:

    The underlying securities are backed by the federal government. About $1.7 trillion of securities were being backed by about $60 BN in private capital. Thus, the shareholders were taking risks with federal money way beyond what their contribution was worth.

    I have no issue with the takeover, or for a federally backed mortgage system. Attacking Palin for saying these two companies had grown too large (something Greenspan, Buffet, and others have been saying for 5 years or so) is going to get you as far as attacking her for faking a pregnancy for her daughter.

    Keep it up, guys. Keep it up.

  95. Progressive Dem says:

    Even your boys at Cato say there was never a taxpayer expense.

    “Heretofore, if the treasury had a balance sheet there would have been a liability but there was never a taxpayer payment before [the bailout],” said Gerald P. O’Driscoll, an economist with the Cato Institute. “[Fannie and Freddie] were not taxpayer funded.

    It would help if she knew something about how these agencies worked.

  96. Doug Deal says:


    They just can’t stand the sting of the 10 point deficit they now find themselves in the polls.

    The booze has run out and they just woke up to find themselves wearing a wedding ring in a cheap hotel in Las Vegas, lying next to someone they don’t know (does “she” actually have a mustache?). Too bad they also sold their plane tickets home.

  97. Progressive Dem says:

    Good cover Doug, but she has some problems with credibility. She is hell on the stump, but it better be scripted. The lies on the Bridge to Nowhere, the huge Alaska earmarks and putting her little town in debt will begin to catch up with her. No doubt those polls are difficult to swallow, but fortunately they will change. Crow now. I could have bragged last week when Obama was up 8. It is the toss up states that matter anyway.

  98. Icarus says:

    “Good cover Doug, but she has some problems with credibility.”

    really? with whom? The voters that heard first from you guys that she faked a pregnancy? That she was a member of a state secesionist party? Or any of the other monkey feces that you guys threw against the wall to see what would stick?

    I don’t think it’s Palin that has a credibility problem.

    Keep it up guys, keep it up.

  99. bowersville says:

    Progressive Dem may be onto something here.

    “Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac weren’t too expensive until it went bankrupt.”

    See how well that sound bite works? Call Axelrod, he probably hasn’t thought of that one.

  100. bowersville says:

    PD, just one other thought on this. You took it out of context. The particular nuances don’t count until they get down to the part where they say,

    “Now for the straight talk.”

    That’s your clue.

  101. John Konop says:


    I thought you would find this interesting.

    U.S.-China Cash Flow Depends On Fannie, Freddie

    NPR-With the U.S. government announcing on Sunday that it would take over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, public attention shifted to questions close to home. How would the bailout affect average taxpayers and home buyers? What would the final cost be?

    Those are big concerns, but the domestic repercussions may be eclipsed by those overseas. That’s because Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac play central — if quiet — roles in maintaining the U.S. position in the global economy. The system is at once incredibly complicated and surprisingly simple.

    Consider the scene Sunday in one Brooklyn, New York, parking lot. Even as Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson was unveiling the federal takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, consumers in New York City were carting old appliances to an electronics recycling drive in Coney Island.

    Anita and Eric Posen showed up with a printer they no longer wanted. It looked fairly new. “I have a new printer,” Anita Posen said. “That’s why I got rid of this one.”

    Asked where they thought it was made, the couple guessed China and admitted to purchasing their new printer with a credit card.

    read more

  102. Progressive Dem says:

    Yes, she has a credability problem, and any honest fiscal conservative would own up to it.

    Voters are hearing loud and clear about how she was for the bridge to nowhere. They are hearing about $170 million in earmarks she requested for Alaska. And how much debt she created by building a recreation center for Wasilla. Somehow, you fiscal conservatives just throw these facts out the window when it comes to assessing her. Do any of you deny them or refute them? Maybe that is why we are in so much debt right now. The lack of fiscal repsonsibility is one of the fudamental reasons why many Republicans found Ron Paul appealing.

    So B’ville, you are opposed to the bailout, or is Palin? She didn’t know anything about the bailout when she made those comments. She was talking out of her ass.

  103. Icarus says:

    Yes, Regressive Dem, it is a credibility problem. That’s why, since your unhinged overreaction to the announcement of her as our VP, your guy has gone from up 8 in the polls to down 10. Definitely, definitely a credibility problem. Just not hers.

    Keep it up, guys. Keep it up.

  104. bowersville says:

    You’re right PD. How could she know anything about the bailout.

    Before last week Palin thought Fannie Mae was a pancake mix and Freddie Mac was an ATM at the double arches. It’s gotta be true, I read it on Kos.

    Thanks John, but why try to insert some sense into this. It’s obvious from you’re post, the people getting rid of the printer are Progressives. How can you tell? They were recylcing.

  105. Three Jack says:

    icarus, look forward to your analysis.

    it is a very real possibility that this election could end up in a dead heat. and i agree with you. it will be one hell of a test for this young republic to endure.

  106. bowersville says:

    PD, I left out your inquiry about Palin being for the bailout.

    C’mon, you know the answer to that. Palin was against it before she was for it. Or. she was for it before she was against it.

    It really doesn’t matter though does it? That bimbo just can’t please you no matter how many times she smiles and looks drop dead gorgeous with those come hither eyes.

  107. Doug Deal says:

    Here is how pathetic the Dems have become. They scrubbed the Alaska DP website of evidence that they once gave her credit for killing the bridge.

    Then, here is a story n the USA Today crediting her for cancelling the project.

    It is really sad that the Dem liars have so little to offer the American people that they pretty much have to make everything up out of thin air.

  108. bowersville says:

    Greta played footage on her show on Fox tonight recorded last spring of Palin praising Hillary for her accomplishments. Palin acknowledged how far America had come to have a woman (Hillary) as one of the most powerful women in the United States and nobody was criticizing her for being a female.

    Unlike this so-called progressive refuse we’ve heard from the enlightened trailer park progressive trashy ones, Palin has class.

    BoyReporter and Progressive Dem, I know you both do that nifty little linky thing. Why don’t you link it for us all to view? And while your at it, Emily Post might be a good place to start.

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