I hadn’t planned on posting this here, ’cause it’s not about Georgia or Georgia politics, but since it’s been a hot topic at PP, here’s what I wrote about Sarah Palin.
In 1991 Clarence Thomas was nominated for the U.S. Supreme Court by then President George H.W. Bush. The attacks on Thomas that ensued were astounding and sought not only to defeat his nomination but to destroy his reputation and character. Never mind that the outrageous accusations were unproven, they were tools to try to stop Thomas from being on the Court. The ends justify the means.
When Thomas finally got the chance to speak for himself he said:
This is not a closed room. There was an FBI investigation. This is not an opportunity to talk about difficult matters privately or in a closed environment. This is a circus. It’s a national disgrace. And from my standpoint as a black American, as far as I’m concerned, it is a high-tech lynching for uppity blacks who in any way deign to think for themselves, to do for themselves, to have different ideas, and it is a message that unless you kowtow to an old order, this is what will happen to you. You will be lynched, destroyed, caricatured by a committee of the US Senate rather than hung from a tree.
Thomas was eventually confirmed and has served with distinction on the Court.
Fast forward to 2008 and we find another trailblazing nominee in Alaska Governor Sarah Palin. Like Thomas, Palin thinks differently than we’re told she should. She’s a woman, pro-life, otherwise socially conservative, and most importantly, nominated to be the first female Vice-President in our nation’s history. This has the left-wing outraged and they have unleashed a smear campaign the likes of which we haven’t seen since the Thomas nomination.
Almost immediately the press and influential left-wing bloggers have cooked up the most ridiculous accusations including that Palin “faked” a pregnancy (amazingly dailyKos seems to have removed the post but this one still remains). The press dutifully went after the story as evidenced by this outrageous report on CNN.
Now that Palin family broke the news that their 17 year old daughter is pregnant, the condescension has reached new heights with male and female news anchors lecturing us about the dangers of teaching abstinence, wondering how a woman can be Vice-President and a mom as the same time, and many other remarks that if made about Hillary Clinton would have been denounced as sexist. It’s as if Bristol Palin is the first teenager in history to ignore her parents advice.
Oh, I almost forgot, apparently Sarah Palin is a fornicator a Nazi-sympathizer, and secessionist white trash.
To his credit, Barack Obama said families are off limits, but this won’t restrain the dailyKos crowd and other whacko groups who are attempting a high-tech lynching of Sarah Palin. I hope she’s up to the task.
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Also a double standard on grandchildren.
Mary Cheney was allowed her privacy. No question on who, where, why, how. The second family was allowed to be just that — a family.
The VP spot is “not worth a bucket of warm piss”, anyway. So why are we doing all this fussin’ and fightin’.
I don’t care if Barrack denounced this crap or not, the fact that the KOS and other operations are promulgating such things is disgusting. Some of this stuff is so unfounded that it’s laughable.
I think many of these are being given more light than normal VP attacks by the media, and I think that is largely because Palin is a woman. It’s something easy for pundits to latch on and attack.
While we’re talking about brining candidates children into politics, let’s remember the joke John McCain, the Republican nominee, the top of the ticket, the man who would be President of the United States told about Chelsea Clinton:
“Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?
Because her father is Janet Reno.”
http://www.salon.com/news/1998/06/25newsb.html
Okay Decatur let’s take the McCain joke and ask what it teaches us.
Does it disqualify McCain as a presidential candidate? If it does than what has Obama done that we need to consider?
Does the McCain joke allow us to make jokes about Obama’s children and wife?
Basically Decatur are you making the case that anything goes on Obama and Biden’s family?
People in glass houses should throw no stones, was what I was always taught. The Democrats can feel free to bring up Palin’s kids all they want. While we are at that level, why don’t we just start on Biden’s son Hunter.
I’ll admit what McCain said about Chelsea was wrong and tastless. But that happened in 1998 and has nothing, and I mean nothing, to do with the present election. The only way it is remotely connected is by the simple fact that Hillary ran in the Democrat’s primaries.
But if we want to drag the kids into it, fine. It’s going to boil down to some hillbilly threatening to kill the Obama kids or something, and the whole act being labeled as blasphemous i nthe first place.
Hahahaha…….
After MONTHS of hearing all manner of Obama bashing of the most absurd, misguided, and downright FALSE kind from Redstate, Fox, Boortz and Limbaugh, you cannot be SERIOUSLY protesting the treatment of Governor Palin.
I don’t have a vote in this election, other than to write in Ron Paul. Obama wants to spend a $trillion or so we don’t have (although that didn’t stop Bush) and McCain represents the greatest threat to the existence of mankind since the world became overpopulated with nukes.
I won’t listen to a word about Ms. Palin because I am not going to vote for the continued destruction of America at the hands of the GOP and I swore off the Dems a long time ago.
You guys are a riot……sob….poor Sarah Palin…..sob……
Ronald, the difference is the press won’t pick up squat about Biden’s son.
…and the pregnant daughter is the lead story on Entertainment Tonight? WTF?
The teen pregnancy just opened up a new demographic for the campaign.
Gov. Palin is more in touch with regular American families and the problems they are dealing with than anyone within 50 miles of DC.
My new bumper sticker
OBAMA BI(n la)DEN
My car will be keyed in no time. Don’t care.
This is a wild story!
Prediction Market Starts Betting On Chance That Palin Will Withdraw From Ticket
As of 5:29pm Tuesday, traders on the Intrade prediction market are selling the chance that Palin will drop off John McCain’s ticket at 11.6. Check here for more updates as the market moves.
***UPDATE***
As of 1:45pm Tuesday, traders on the Intrade prediction market are selling the chance that Palin will drop off John McCain’s ticket at 13.9. Check here for more updates as the market moves.
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The Intrade prediction market has opened trading on whether “Sarah Palin [is] to be withdrawn as Republican VP nominee before 2008 presidential election.” At 8:55 am, Tuesday morning, the market is selling the prediction at 18 a share and rising. That means 18 percent of traders think there is a chance that Palin will be removed from the ticket.
Intrade predicted Joe Biden would be Barack Obama’s running mate in August and its traders were also correct about every Senate race in 2006. It fell flat in predicting a Democratic majority.
http://www.intrade.com/
Hey, you know what is sad, our country has become so tabloid/celeb obsessed we are arguing about BS like this, which in no way reflects what might happen if McCain or Obama becomes President. Thats right, the election is between McCain and Obama. The VP is important, don’t get me wrong, but whining about who called who a sexist, racist, jerk, whatever doesn’t get to the heart of the matter. Who among all four of these people, McCain/Palin and Obama/Biden is going to execute the office of the Presidency the best according to the CONSTITUTION (remember that, its the document that supposedly says what government can and can’t do) and who will stand for Freedom in this country. Which candidate has even talked about freedom? Honestly, neither have enough for me. Freedom is what America is supposed to be about, not some militaristic sense of Patriotism nor the idea you have should lift up your fellow man. The Constitution, not vote buying schemes that shift the property (taxes for the less knowledgable) from one side to another, should be what we are talking about. I am a McCain man, but he isn’t perfect, but no one, on either side seems to really be talking about the things our country was founded on and what the law says are the limits of government. Government is limited for those of you not properly educated, the people as individuals, are protected against government by the Constitution. Government is evil, but a necessary evil. Read some founding History.
Oh, and if a Ron Pauler or whatever wants to say that he is the answer to my objections, lets get out of the fantasy and back to the reality that either McCain or Obama will be President.
c_murrayiii
I agree all of this is a distraction from real issues.
Redstate is reporting that the Democrat leaders have publicly released personal information about Sarah Palin including her Social Security Number. That is after going after her children and her life style choices. This is getting ridiculous. If Obama wants to lead a respectable party he needs to stop this. Children need to be off limits and information useful for identity theft needs to be off limits. People from suburban towns need not be shown obvious disrespect. By having the appearance that the Democrat leadership support these kind of tactics will only hurt the party.
I remember jokes were made about Amy Carter’s good looks and Chelsea’s male role model, but they were made by comedians not opponents or office holders. Obama needs to nip this in the bud. If he does not there will be a tremendous backlash against him and his party.
Not to be too racist or politically incorrect, but this mud slinging may give the impression of a elitist mulatto supporting those calling a White country girl trash because she is not from the big city. This will not go over well with southerners or rural people in general.
Jane
This is the source of the story.
FROM POLITICO
Documents detail Palin’s political life
Sarah Palin may be new to most Americans, but she’s not entirely new to the national Democratic Party.
Democrat Tony Knowles, her opponent in the 2006 Alaska gubernatorial race, put together a detailed, 63-page research document — obtained by Politico — cataloging Palin’s strengths and weaknesses. And the Obama campaign, in particular, knows Palin well: A key Obama consultant, Anita Dunn, worked on Knowles’ campaign.
“We’re running against John McCain — the issues raised around his decision and the fact that he clearly bowed under to the right wing of his party and let them exercise veto power over his vice presidential pick,” Dunn said, suggesting the Obama campaign wouldn’t be recycling the 2006 Democratic criticism of Palin.
“Whether it was Sarah Palin or Tim Pawlenty or Mitt Romney or somebody else, fundamentally that wasn’t going to alter the dynamic — which is that John McCain believes we don’t need to change the fundamental economic policies in this country,” Dunn said.
The Democratic opposition research document, which was not obtained from Dunn or from the Obama campaign, is largely a catalog of the day-to-day decisions of a small-town mayor. It contains examples of her sometimes confrontational tenure and colorful details of an ordinary woman who was thrilled to meet Ivana Trump and who began the process of opening a marketing company whose name — Rouge Cou — was supposed to be a French version of “redneck.”
for more
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13084.html
she looks better and better with every new leftist revelation.
how can any american vote against a ticket that has a war hero at the top with his attractive wife who happens to own a bud distributorship by his side and the gun totin’, ‘rouge cou’, conservative vp who along with her high school sweetheart, snowmobile champion husband started their own company while having five children?
pass the apple pie!
Cheney had a lesbian daughter and didn’t get this much heat. Last I checked, child-out-of-wedlock was the more common issue in America. Whats the big fuss about?
What does Palin have to do with Clarence Thomas or lynching?
Maybe it’s just me, but it seems funny that Obama, even though he’s completely “not involved,” always seems to be on the advantageous side of these “dig deep in the closet” stories. I mean, Blair Hull looked like he was going to cruise to victory – then the scandals hit the paper. The same for Jack Ryan.
But yeah, I believe that Obama himself has absolutely NOTHING to do with approving the leaking of all this dirt on Palin. I mean, candidates full of “hope” and “change” don’t dish dirt, or do they?
Obama and his loyal democrap cronies are worthless swine. Obama is the modern David Duke. Hope McCain rips him a new arse. Hell, I hope Miss Sarah kicks him in the nuts, if he has any.
Word I hear is Obama likes it both ways, freakin idiot.
I think this thread should be put out of its misery
It’s always the non-Georgia subjects that bring out the worst.
Complaint Alleges Alaska Trooper Continued to Intimidate Palin, Family
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122040990300293917.html
I…don’t know what to type. This was a circus to read!
Here is my bottom line: You reap what you sow. If you use your gods to pass morality laws that impact others, you best be able to prove by personal example it is possible.
Otherwise, that politico is a de facto hypocrite.
And we have enough of them in office already,
I say keep Palin. They make a cute couple.
The GO(o)Ps 21st Century Dan Quayle.
Jane,
You used this term: “Democrat leaders”
The Dems are nothing but a bunch of kiddies who weren’t sent to their room enough when they were growing-up.
“I remember jokes were made about Amy Carter’s good looks and Chelsea’s male role model, but they were made by comedians not opponents or office holders. ”
Jane, you must be kidding. McCain himself has yet to apologize for his bad joke at Chelsea’s expense. Have your GOP buddies explain it to you. They’d love to tell it again and slap their knees and snort and bellow.
Bill Simon: You have a strange fixation on authority over kids. So why ain’t you head of all Republicans, a group of whining brats that need your firm hand.
Oh my, where to begin???
Well, let’s start here: “She’s a woman, pro-life, otherwise socially conservative, and most importantly, nominated to be the first female Vice-President in our nation’s history.” I’ll give you that she is a woman and socially conservative, but even the most pathetic fact checker could have told you that the nomination to be the first female VP in our nation’s history went to Belva Ann Lockwood, the running mate of Marietta Stow in 1884, for the National Equal Rights Party. The first woman to be nominated as a VP candidate by one of the two major political parties was Geraldine Ferraro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geraldine_Ferraro). Sorry, the DemocratIC Party beat y’all to that one decades ago.
Now, someone else pointed out (and I’m sorry I can’t remember who, but I refuse to wade through that crap again to find out) that people who live in glass igloos shouldn’t throw snowballs with rocks in them.
If Mrs. Palin wants to be the gun-totin’, social conservative who wants to adhere to the GOP platform of outlawing abortion and almost all forms of contraception and teaching only abstinence in schools, in between creationism classes, then she should most assuredly put her big girl panties on and face the music. When you take away contraception and tell kids with raging hormones to keep it in their pants, most kids will tell you after they slam their door shut to F-off, then go screw around like they were going to all along.
If you think this is going to stop the sinking of the Titanic, I mean help the Republican Party, you are sadly mistaken. Most of you good ol’ god fearin’, red meat eatin’, gun lovin’ bible thumpin’ Republicons (see how fun it is to make the other party’s name look silly – real mature too!) seem to think that this is an issue that is a very private family matter that every family faces. Well, I didn’t face it. None of my friend’s families faced this when I was growing up (and really, I’m in my mid 30s and I remember dancing around my room to Papa Don’t Preach). I guess I was just raised right by my Democratic parents. Are you all saying that Republicans are terrible parents because that can be inferred from your “reasoning”?
I honestly do believe that any person who puts themselves out there for one of the highest offices in the land should be put to public scrutiny and if that includes how dysfunctional their family is, then that should be out there as well as it says a great deal about a person’ character. Your lot is claiming this woman is as American as apple pie, but the facts are proving otherwise and as usual you are just choosing not to hear this part.
In less than one week’s time, the media has already published stories about her very own Troopergate, her flip-flopping on the Bridge to Nowhere, her going after her enemies in her own party and laughing at their misfortune (how very clever for someone too call a cancer survivor a “cancer” and have her laugh about it). Then there is her complete disregard for that pesky science. Opposing listing polar bears as a endangered species despite reviews from Alaska’s own Department of Fish and Game’s marine mammal program agreeing with the Department of Interior’s conclusion that science justifies the listing is just stupid. So is supporting the aerial shooting of wolves and bears as a means of predator control and allowing the systematic killing of wolf pups to control the population. I think its silly to bring up her husband’s old DUI, so I won’t.
Well, at least there’s nothing wrong with her church. Oh wait…
I like this tidbit from a speech she gave to the graduating class of commission students from her former church is good ol’ Wasilla:
“I can do my part in working really, really hard to get a natural gas pipeline, about a $30 billion project that’s going to create a lot of jobs for Alaska. … [but] I think God’s will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that,” she said. “I can do my job there in developing our natural resources, in doing things like getting the roads paved and making sure our troopers have their cop cars and their uniforms and their guns, and making sure our public schools are funded. But really that stuff doesn’t do any good if the people of Alaska’s hearts aren’t right with God.”
I’m sure Thomas Jefferson will just stand up and cheer for her! Forget that old stale Constitution! Who needs it?!?! And now I hear whispers of her very own Rev. Wright problem. Well glory be!
So Republican pundits and the long suffering faithful are just thrilled to death to have some young, hardcore person on the ticket to offset McCain’s considerable baggage, but really is this the best that y’all could do? She wasn’t even interviewed until the day before he offered her the job (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/02/AR2008090203462.html?hpid=topnews)!!!! I mean c’mon! Nice judgment call there McCain!
So what’s that say about you democrap loonies who nominate a crack head pervert as your nominee??? Gettin down in a limo with a freak like Larry Sinclair, nice judgement.
Um, and as soon as someone credible comes up with anything remotely close to “evidence” I might take you republicants up on your wild-eyed stab in the dark accusations.
Nice try though. Thanks for playing. Next.
Damnit, in my haste, I forgot to say that I do agree that Redneck Barbie is white trash.
BitchBoy Sez: “Bill Simon: You have a strange fixation on authority over kids. So why ain’t you head of all Republicans, a group of whining brats that need your firm hand.”
And you have a strange fixation on demonstrating you’re a flaming moron.
Skeptical,
Larry Sinclair didn’t happen to wear a blue dress that day.
BUT, even if he did, and he had a sample of Obama’s DNA, people like you would still deny the evidence.
Skeptical,
You misread what I wrote. I didn’t say Palin was the first woman nominated I said she was nominated to be the first female VP. You’re a leftist with a vastly superior intellect so imagine my shock at your lack of comprehension.
The left and their allies in the media have twisted her views on creationism (see here) and sex education.
Alaska has sex education and has the 30th highest teen pregnancy rate. In other words, only twenty States have lower teen pregnancy rates.
Y’all can try to portray Palin as some always pregnant, religious wacko, white trash if you want but it isn’t true and it won’t work.
Oh, I forgot to add that Palin’s so-called troopergate is about protecting her sister and family from a wacko ex-hubby (see this PDF from the Politico).
Clinton’s troopergate was about procuring women for a sex-addicted Governor who was cheating on his wife.
“You misread what I wrote. I didn’t say Palin was the first woman nominated I said she was nominated to be the first female VP. You’re a leftist with a vastly superior intellect so imagine my shock at your lack of comprehension.”
Again, tell me, since my “vastly superior intellect” is blinding me, how does Mrs. Palin being nominated on this ticket accomplish anything that Geraldine Ferraro’s nomination didn’t do 24 years ago?
Also, you can call troopergate whatever you want to. In the end, it will always be about disregarding laws to carry out a personal vendetta. I guess you don’t get any more Republican that that Buzz.
But I can quote too:
“The Palin family had a feud with Wooten prior to her becoming governor. They put together a list of 14 accusations which they took to the state police to investigate — a list that ranged from the quite serious to the truly absurd. The state police did an investigation, decided that 5 of the charges had some merit and suspended Wooten for ten days — a suspension later reduced to five days. The Palin’s weren’t satisfied but there wasn’t much they could do.
When Palin became governor they went for another bite at the apple. Palin, her husband and several members of her staff began pressuring Public Safety Commissioner, Walt Monegan — a respected former Chief of the Anchorage police department — to can Wooten. Monegan resisted, arguing that the official process regarding Wooten was closed. And there was nothing more that could be done. In fact, during one of the conversations in which Palin’s husband Todd was putting on the squeeze, Monegan told Todd Palin, “You can’t head hunt like this. What you need to do is back off, because if the trooper does make a mistake, and it is a terminable offense, it can look like political interference.”
Eventually, Palin got fed up and fired Monegan from his job. (Palin claims, not credibly, that she fired Monegan over general differences in law enforcement priorities.) This is an important point. Wooten never got fired. To the best of my knowledge, he’s is still on the job. The central bad act was firing the state’s top police official because he refused to bend to political pressure from the governor and her family to fire a public employee against whom the governor was pursuing a vendetta — whether the vendetta was justified or not.
Soon after this, questions were raised in the state about Monegan’s firing and he eventually came forward and said he believed he’d been fired for not giving in to pressure to fire Wooten.
After Monegan made his accusations, Palin insisted there was no truth whatsoever to his claims. Nonetheless, a bipartisan committee of the state legislature approved an investigation. In response, Palin asked the Attorney General to start his own investigation which many in the state interpreted as an effort to either keep tabs on or tamper with the legislature’s investigation. Again, very questionable judgment in someone who aspires to be first in line to the presidency.
The Attorney General’s investigation quickly turned up evidence that Palin’s initial denials were false. Multiple members of her staff had raised Wooten’s employment with Monegan. Indeed, the state police had a recording of one of her deputies pushing Monegan to fire Wooten. That evidence forced Palin to change her story. Palin said that this was the first she’d heard of it and insisted the deputy wasn’t acting at her behest, even though the trascript of the recorded call clearly suggested that he was. (Hear the audio here.)
Just yesterday, Monegan gave an interview to the Washington Post in which he said that not only Palin’s aides, but Palin’s husband and Palin herself had repeatedly raised the Wooten issue with him and pressured him to fire him. And now he says he has emails that Palin sent him about the matter. (In an interesting sidelight, that may end up telling us a lot, Monegan says no one from the McCain campaign ever contacted him in the vetting process.)
The investigator appointed by the state legislature began trying to arrange a time to depose Gov. Palin last week — in other words, in the final days before her selection.
So let’s put this all together.
We rely on elected officials not to use the power of their office to pursue personal agendas or vendettas. It’s called an abuse of power. There is ample evidence that Palin used her power as governor to get her ex-brother-in-law fired. When his boss refused to fire him, she fired his boss. She first denied Monegan’s claims of pressure to fire Wooten and then had to amend her story when evidence proved otherwise. The available evidence now suggests that she 1) tried to have an ex-relative fired from his job for personal reasons, something that was clearly inappropriate, and perhaps illegal, though possibly understandable in human terms, 2) fired a state official for not himself acting inappropriately by firing the relative, 3) lied to the public about what happened and 4) continues to lie about what happened.
These are, to put it mildly, not the traits or temperament you want in someone who could hold the executive power of the federal government.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/211769.php
I was wondering how long before all of this would be The Clenis’ fault.
Buzz,
It’s not about logic, it’s about the Democrats snuffing out independent women. They only want easily manipulated women, not strong independent women.
Why is it okay for Palin to pimp out her disabled baby to get votes, but her 17 year old pregnant daughter is off limits?
Dear Buzz, please explain to my vastly superior intellect how the pick of Mrs. Palin is still anything groundbreaking? And while you are at it, tell Geraldine Ferraro too. If you want to assert that this is the first time the Republican Party is trying to pander to the soccer/hockey moms in a bid to keep their votes, go ahead.
Also, troopergate isn’t about protecting her family. It’s about a personal vendetta carried out with blatant disregard for the law. How very Republican of her!
I can quote too:
“The Palin family had a feud with Wooten prior to her becoming governor. They put together a list of 14 accusations which they took to the state police to investigate — a list that ranged from the quite serious to the truly absurd. The state police did an investigation, decided that 5 of the charges had some merit and suspended Wooten for ten days — a suspension later reduced to five days. The Palin’s weren’t satisfied but there wasn’t much they could do.
When Palin became governor they went for another bite at the apple. Palin, her husband and several members of her staff began pressuring Public Safety Commissioner, Walt Monegan — a respected former Chief of the Anchorage police department — to can Wooten. Monegan resisted, arguing that the official process regarding Wooten was closed. And there was nothing more that could be done. In fact, during one of the conversations in which Palin’s husband Todd was putting on the squeeze, Monegan told Todd Palin, “You can’t head hunt like this. What you need to do is back off, because if the trooper does make a mistake, and it is a terminable offense, it can look like political interference.”
Eventually, Palin got fed up and fired Monegan from his job. (Palin claims, not credibly, that she fired Monegan over general differences in law enforcement priorities.) This is an important point. Wooten never got fired. To the best of my knowledge, he’s is still on the job. The central bad act was firing the state’s top police official because he refused to bend to political pressure from the governor and her family to fire a public employee against whom the governor was pursuing a vendetta — whether the vendetta was justified or not.
Soon after this, questions were raised in the state about Monegan’s firing and he eventually came forward and said he believed he’d been fired for not giving in to pressure to fire Wooten.
After Monegan made his accusations, Palin insisted there was no truth whatsoever to his claims. Nonetheless, a bipartisan committee of the state legislature approved an investigation. In response, Palin asked the Attorney General to start his own investigation which many in the state interpreted as an effort to either keep tabs on or tamper with the legislature’s investigation. Again, very questionable judgment in someone who aspires to be first in line to the presidency.
The Attorney General’s investigation quickly turned up evidence that Palin’s initial denials were false. Multiple members of her staff had raised Wooten’s employment with Monegan. Indeed, the state police had a recording of one of her deputies pushing Monegan to fire Wooten. That evidence forced Palin to change her story. Palin said that this was the first she’d heard of it and insisted the deputy wasn’t acting at her behest, even though the trascript of the recorded call clearly suggested that he was. (Hear the audio here.)
Just yesterday, Monegan gave an interview to the Washington Post in which he said that not only Palin’s aides, but Palin’s husband and Palin herself had repeatedly raised the Wooten issue with him and pressured him to fire him. And now he says he has emails that Palin sent him about the matter. (In an interesting sidelight, that may end up telling us a lot, Monegan says no one from the McCain campaign ever contacted him in the vetting process.)
The investigator appointed by the state legislature began trying to arrange a time to depose Gov. Palin last week — in other words, in the final days before her selection.
So let’s put this all together.
We rely on elected officials not to use the power of their office to pursue personal agendas or vendettas. It’s called an abuse of power. There is ample evidence that Palin used her power as governor to get her ex-brother-in-law fired. When his boss refused to fire him, she fired his boss. She first denied Monegan’s claims of pressure to fire Wooten and then had to amend her story when evidence proved otherwise. The available evidence now suggests that she 1) tried to have an ex-relative fired from his job for personal reasons, something that was clearly inappropriate, and perhaps illegal, though possibly understandable in human terms, 2) fired a state official for not himself acting inappropriately by firing the relative, 3) lied to the public about what happened and 4) continues to lie about what happened. ”
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/211769.php
Personally, I’m going to believe Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan, the respected former Chief of the Anchorage Police, and the Attorney General of Alaska who was asked to investigate and turned up the wrongdoing of Palin and her secessionist husband.
Doug,
“It’s not about logic, it’s about the Democrats snuffing out independent women. They only want easily manipulated women, not strong independent women.”
That is rich coming from the party of the Stepford Wives. Man…black really is white in y’alls world.
Continue to grasp at straws and shrink further and further away from the light. You guys are freakin’ nuts.
Buzz,
Have you ever heard of Geraldine Ferraro? She ran with Mondale.
She wasn’t the first public “Geraldine.” Flip Wilson was the first Geraldine.
Actually, it was Jack Lemon.
PD and Skep are having the same trouble with English that they also have with logic and reason.
Buzz correctly stated that she has been nominated to be the first female V.P.
Ferraro was also nominated to be the first female V.P. She would have been, but her ticket came up about 255 electoral votes short. Thus, we haven’t had a female V.P., and Palin has been nominated to be the first female V.P.
I could break it down into smaller pieces if needed, but we should probably just go ahead and give you a ribbon of participation, just like the ones you probably received a lot of to preserve your self esteem while in school.
Skep,
Thanks for proving my point.
Can someone please look into releasing comments from your filters. I have made 3 attempts to respond to Buzz and they have all magically disappeared. You guys are beginning to look like a bunch of candy ass pussies who can’t take any criticism. I’m just sayin’…
Um Doug, as a strong, independent woman, I will tell you couldn’t be farther from the point you claim.
There are no comments “awaiting moderation”. I don’t know if comments can go anywhere else, but I see none there.
Damnit! This is the last time I am typing out a response about Troopergate:
Oh! You meant actually being elected VP? I give Mrs. Palin the same odds right now as Geraldine Ferraro in 1984.
Now, in regards to Troopergate. You can claim it’s just about her trying to protect her family, but again its not. It’s about the blatant disregard for law in the face of carrying out a personal vendetta.
I can quote too:
The Palin family had a feud with Wooten prior to her becoming governor. They put together a list of 14 accusations which they took to the state police to investigate — a list that ranged from the quite serious to the truly absurd. The state police did an investigation, decided that 5 of the charges had some merit and suspended Wooten for ten days — a suspension later reduced to five days. The Palin’s weren’t satisfied but there wasn’t much they could do.
When Palin became governor they went for another bite at the apple. Palin, her husband and several members of her staff began pressuring Public Safety Commissioner, Walt Monegan — a respected former Chief of the Anchorage police department — to can Wooten. Monegan resisted, arguing that the official process regarding Wooten was closed. And there was nothing more that could be done. In fact, during one of the conversations in which Palin’s husband Todd was putting on the squeeze, Monegan told Todd Palin, “You can’t head hunt like this. What you need to do is back off, because if the trooper does make a mistake, and it is a terminable offense, it can look like political interference.”
Eventually, Palin got fed up and fired Monegan from his job. (Palin claims, not credibly, that she fired Monegan over general differences in law enforcement priorities.) This is an important point. Wooten never got fired. To the best of my knowledge, he’s is still on the job. The central bad act was firing the state’s top police official because he refused to bend to political pressure from the governor and her family to fire a public employee against whom the governor was pursuing a vendetta — whether the vendetta was justified or not.
Soon after this, questions were raised in the state about Monegan’s firing and he eventually came forward and said he believed he’d been fired for not giving in to pressure to fire Wooten.
After Monegan made his accusations, Palin insisted there was no truth whatsoever to his claims. Nonetheless, a bipartisan committee of the state legislature approved an investigation. In response, Palin asked the Attorney General to start his own investigation which many in the state interpreted as an effort to either keep tabs on or tamper with the legislature’s investigation. Again, very questionable judgment in someone who aspires to be first in line to the presidency.
The Attorney General’s investigation quickly turned up evidence that Palin’s initial denials were false. Multiple members of her staff had raised Wooten’s employment with Monegan. Indeed, the state police had a recording of one of her deputies pushing Monegan to fire Wooten. That evidence forced Palin to change her story. Palin said that this was the first she’d heard of it and insisted the deputy wasn’t acting at her behest, even though the trascript of the recorded call clearly suggested that he was. (Hear the audio here.)
Just yesterday, Monegan gave an interview to the Washington Post in which he said that not only Palin’s aides, but Palin’s husband and Palin herself had repeatedly raised the Wooten issue with him and pressured him to fire him. And now he says he has emails that Palin sent him about the matter. (In an interesting sidelight, that may end up telling us a lot, Monegan says no one from the McCain campaign ever contacted him in the vetting process.)
The investigator appointed by the state legislature began trying to arrange a time to depose Gov. Palin last week — in other words, in the final days before her selection.
So let’s put this all together.
We rely on elected officials not to use the power of their office to pursue personal agendas or vendettas. It’s called an abuse of power. There is ample evidence that Palin used her power as governor to get her ex-brother-in-law fired. When his boss refused to fire him, she fired his boss. She first denied Monegan’s claims of pressure to fire Wooten and then had to amend her story when evidence proved otherwise. The available evidence now suggests that she 1) tried to have an ex-relative fired from his job for personal reasons, something that was clearly inappropriate, and perhaps illegal, though possibly understandable in human terms, 2) fired a state official for not himself acting inappropriately by firing the relative, 3) lied to the public about what happened and 4) continues to lie about what happened.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/211769.php
I’m going to take my chances with Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan, the respected former Chief of the Anchorage Police Department, and the Attorney General who was asked to investigate the matter and turned up wrongdoing on Palin and her secessionist husband’s part.
I would rather not have a petty, vindictive bitch being one 72 year old heartbeat away from the Oval Office.
I’m willing to stipulate that Palin is a competent governor, and it isn’t necessary to comment on her daughter or husband, but I don’t see how she is a reformer, and I don’t understand why conservatives accept her.
She was for the bridge to nowhere before she opposed it. She is a huge pork bareller: requesting and receiving $27 million in earmarks for Wasilla (a town of 9,000 people)and this year as governor asking for $137 million for Alaska. She may be a fresh face, but she knows how to play the good ol’ boy network in DC with lobbysts and two of the most corrupt members of Congress – Ted Stephens and and Don Young. She redistributes the profits of the oil companies to the citizens of Alaska. Is that a conservative policy? She was a director of Ted Stephens 527 organization. Didn’t McCain make negaitve comments about 527 groups having no place in American politics? And just how is she prepared to take on what John McCain calls the “transcent challeng of the 21st century – radical Islamic extremism?”
I would question her judgement about becoming pregnant when running for governor. That doesn’t seem like a good idea for her her, her child and the people of Alaska. She was back at work three days later. Every mother I’ve known takes 6 weeks off.
Damnit! This is the last time I am typing out a response about Troopergate:
Oh! You meant actually being elected VP? I give Mrs. Palin the same odds right now as Geraldine Ferraro in 1984.
Now, in regards to Troopergate. You can claim it’s just about her trying to protect her family, but again its not. It’s about the blatant disregard for law in the face of carrying out a personal vendetta.
I can quote too:
The Palin family had a feud with Wooten prior to her becoming governor. They put together a list of 14 accusations which they took to the state police to investigate — a list that ranged from the quite serious to the truly absurd. The state police did an investigation, decided that 5 of the charges had some merit and suspended Wooten for ten days — a suspension later reduced to five days. The Palin’s weren’t satisfied but there wasn’t much they could do.
When Palin became governor they went for another bite at the apple. Palin, her husband and several members of her staff began pressuring Public Safety Commissioner, Walt Monegan — a respected former Chief of the Anchorage police department — to can Wooten. Monegan resisted, arguing that the official process regarding Wooten was closed. And there was nothing more that could be done. In fact, during one of the conversations in which Palin’s husband Todd was putting on the squeeze, Monegan told Todd Palin, “You can’t head hunt like this. What you need to do is back off, because if the trooper does make a mistake, and it is a terminable offense, it can look like political interference.”
Eventually, Palin got fed up and fired Monegan from his job. (Palin claims, not credibly, that she fired Monegan over general differences in law enforcement priorities.) This is an important point. Wooten never got fired. To the best of my knowledge, he’s is still on the job. The central bad act was firing the state’s top police official because he refused to bend to political pressure from the governor and her family to fire a public employee against whom the governor was pursuing a vendetta — whether the vendetta was justified or not.
Soon after this, questions were raised in the state about Monegan’s firing and he eventually came forward and said he believed he’d been fired for not giving in to pressure to fire Wooten.
After Monegan made his accusations, Palin insisted there was no truth whatsoever to his claims. Nonetheless, a bipartisan committee of the state legislature approved an investigation. In response, Palin asked the Attorney General to start his own investigation which many in the state interpreted as an effort to either keep tabs on or tamper with the legislature’s investigation. Again, very questionable judgment in someone who aspires to be first in line to the presidency.
The Attorney General’s investigation quickly turned up evidence that Palin’s initial denials were false. Multiple members of her staff had raised Wooten’s employment with Monegan. Indeed, the state police had a recording of one of her deputies pushing Monegan to fire Wooten. That evidence forced Palin to change her story. Palin said that this was the first she’d heard of it and insisted the deputy wasn’t acting at her behest, even though the trascript of the recorded call clearly suggested that he was. (Hear the audio here.)
Just yesterday, Monegan gave an interview to the Washington Post in which he said that not only Palin’s aides, but Palin’s husband and Palin herself had repeatedly raised the Wooten issue with him and pressured him to fire him. And now he says he has emails that Palin sent him about the matter. (In an interesting sidelight, that may end up telling us a lot, Monegan says no one from the McCain campaign ever contacted him in the vetting process.)
The investigator appointed by the state legislature began trying to arrange a time to depose Gov. Palin last week — in other words, in the final days before her selection.
So let’s put this all together.
We rely on elected officials not to use the power of their office to pursue personal agendas or vendettas. It’s called an abuse of power. There is ample evidence that Palin used her power as governor to get her ex-brother-in-law fired. When his boss refused to fire him, she fired his boss. She first denied Monegan’s claims of pressure to fire Wooten and then had to amend her story when evidence proved otherwise. The available evidence now suggests that she 1) tried to have an ex-relative fired from his job for personal reasons, something that was clearly inappropriate, and perhaps illegal, though possibly understandable in human terms, 2) fired a state official for not himself acting inappropriately by firing the relative, 3) lied to the public about what happened and 4) continues to lie about what happened.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/211769.php
I’m going to take my chances with Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan, the respected former Chief of the Anchorage Police Department, and the Attorney General who was asked to investigate the matter and turned up wrongdoing on Palin and her secessionist husband’s part.
I would rather not have a petty, vindictive book-banning bitch being one 72 year old heartbeat away from the Oval Office.
“but I don’t see how she is a reformer,”
We’ll take this one first,
Pailin took on her own sitting governor, not just by running against him, but first by turning in another appointee for ethical violations. When the governor didn’t back her, and suggested she go along and get along, she resigned the commission. When the other person was criminally charged and found guilty, she then decided to challenge the incumbent Gov and won.
It takes a special person to challenge the power of incumbancy, especially within your own party. Alaska isn’t like most states. The state actually owns all sub-surface mineral rights. As such, the oil royalties they control directly impact the everyday lives of each Alaskan. If you think the crumbs dealt to Georgians with our supplemental budget are worth fighting over, you really would enjoy Alaskan state politics. Taking on that power structure, and winning, is a big deal.
The reason that other Republicans, or at least this one, see this as important, is that we needed more Sarah Palins prior to 2006. If we had a few more in Congress, we would still be the majority party. The closest thing we had in Congress was none other than John McCain.
That is why we are energized by this ticket. Some of us hopeless Mr. Smith types really do want Washington cleaned up. And for that to happen, we need someone willing to stand up to their own party too, not just to attack the other.
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