52 comments

  1. Mike says:

    Im pretty sure Obama is not going to win now…

    c’mon McCain-Lieberman!

    or McCain-Danforth (as unlikely as that is i can hope)

  2. Harry says:

    From HotAir:

    How thoroughly did Barack Obama vet Joe Biden? Obama selected a running mate who has taken millions in contributions from those same lobbyists Obama supposedly eschewed, at least until the DNC started running out of money. In fact, Biden’s son works as a lobbyist on Capitol Hill, accruing the kind of earmarks that Obama has both decried and pursued:

    Biden has accepted $5,133,072 in contributions from lawyers and lobbyists since 2003…..Biden’s son is a name partner at the firm Oldaker, Biden & Belair, LLP, and seems to have specialized in lobbying for earmark spending. Republican insiders say the party is likely to make an issue of Biden’s family lobbying ties.

  3. Dave Bearse says:

    Fox News Network, if it is indeed fair and balanced, will devote all its programming to denigrating and disparaging McCain’s VP pick for the first 24 hours after the pick becomes public.

  4. CHelf says:

    I’m just waiting for more of this “changing DC/McCain has been inside for too long” nonsense. Biden was there in DC when McCain was in the Hanoi Hilton. I don’t think you can get much more DC insider than being there within two years of law school and ever since.

  5. Rogue109 says:

    Biden’s son is a name partner at the firm Oldaker, Biden & Belair, LLP, and seems to have specialized in lobbying for earmark spending. Republican insiders say the party is likely to make an issue of Biden’s family lobbying ties.

    How many sons does he have? I only ask because another of his sons is the Attorney General for Delaware and is deploying to Iraq in October with the Delaware National Guard.

  6. John Konop says:

    Rogue109

    I think he has a son from a second marriage. His first wife died in a car crash with his daughter right after he got elected to the Senate the first time if my memory serves me right.

  7. Trevor Southerland says:

    According to Wikipedia:
    (in reference to the question about his children)

    Biden was born in Scranton, Pennsylvania, the son of Joseph R. Biden, Sr. and Catherine Eugenia “Jean” Finnegan. He was the first of four siblings[4] and is of Irish Catholic heritage. He has two brothers, James Brian Biden and Francis W. Biden, and a sister, Valerie (Biden) Owens.[5] The Biden family moved to Claymont, Delaware when Biden was 10 years old, and he grew up in suburban New Castle County, Delaware, where his father was a car salesman. In 1961, Biden graduated from Archmere Academy in Claymont, Delaware and, in 1965, from the University of Delaware in Newark, where he double majored in history and political science. He went on to receive his Juris Doctor (J.D.) from Syracuse University College of Law in 1968, and was admitted to the Delaware Bar in 1969.

    In 1966, while in law school, Biden married Neilia Hunter. They had three children, Joseph R. “Beau” Biden III, Robert Hunter, and Naomi. His wife and infant daughter died in a car accident shortly after he was first elected to the U.S. Senate in 1972. His two young sons, Beau and Hunter, were seriously injured in the accident, but both eventually made full recoveries. Biden was sworn into office from their bedside. Persuaded not to resign in order to care for them, Biden began the practice of commuting an hour and a half each day on the train from his home in the Wilmington suburbs to Washington, DC, which he continues to do.

    In 1977, Biden married Jill Tracy Jacobs. They have one daughter, Ashley, and are members of the Roman Catholic Church. In February 1988, after suffering from neck pains, Biden was hospitalized and underwent lifesaving surgery to correct two brain aneurysms, one of which began leaking. The hospitalization and recovery kept him from the Senate for seven months.

    Biden’s elder son, Beau, was a partner in the Wilmington law firm of Bifferato, Gentilotti, Biden & Balick, LLC and was elected Attorney General of Delaware in 2006. He is a captain in the Delaware Army National Guard, where he serves in the Judge Advocate General’s (JAG) Corps. He is set to be deployed to Iraq in October, 2008. Biden’s younger son, Hunter, works as a lawyer in Washington, D.C., serves on the board of directors of Amtrak, and previously worked in the Commerce Department.

    Since 1991, Biden has also served as an adjunct professor at the Widener University School of Law, where he teaches a seminar on constitutional law.

  8. Harry says:

    Eric,

    How can you “like” a partisan hack like Biden? His only demonstrated talent is bloviation.

  9. Doug Deal says:

    Harry,

    My thoughts exactly. Biden is a train wreck waiting to happen. If this is an example of Obama’s judgment, God help us if he ever gets elected President.

    Bayh or Kaine would have been outstanding picks, and would have put McCain on defense.

  10. GOP Girl says:

    Someone told me yesterday that they read an entire book on their Iphone. I’m so jealous. I think I’m gona have to have one.

    Not that it has anything to do with Georgia or Joe Biden.

    I’m just sayin….

  11. Bill Simon says:

    Doug & Harry,

    Once you have evolved to a certain level of political experiences, you find that there are different levels of “opposing” someone else.

    You can oppose them due to “partisan differences” while still maintaining an objective view of them as a person separate from their politics.

    You can oppose them due to “personality differences” without caring what their politics are. (Gosh, I wonder how many Republicans hate me? It ain’t due to my political views…it is due to the way I’ve learned to deliver retribution to those who deserve it)

    With the viewpoint you two have, there is likely no difference between Joe Biden and Cynthia McKinney in your minds, whereas those of us who have evolved, can discern between a stark-raving lunatic Democrat partisan hack like Cynthia McKinney, and the partisan hack like Joe Biden who, as I recall, delivered some very funny lines in his interviews with Tim Russert.

    It’s all about perspective and personal experiences with lots of different people.

    You two should consider “getting out” more from behind the computer and the daily grind of FAUX News stories; you’ll learn something new about people. 🙂

  12. Harry says:

    Aug. 24 (Bloomberg) — Barack Obama’s speech announcing his running mate Joe Biden singled out the Delaware senator’s son who is headed for Iraq. Obama didn’t mention the profession of Biden’s other son, who lobbied for two drug companies and five universities. Hunter Biden, 38, described as a lawyer in the biography of his father distributed yesterday by the Obama campaign, lobbied for clients that paid his firm at least $380,000 in the first six months of this year, federal records show. Both Obama and Republican presidential rival John McCain have said lobbyists may not work on their campaigns.

  13. Rogue109 says:

    I think attacking his son serving in Iraq would not be a smart idea but hey what I know.

    John, who was attacking? Or did you just mean generically, it would be a bad idea?

  14. IcarusDadsStepSon says:

    When I thought it was going to be Obama/Clinton, I thought Rice would be a stupid choice for McCain. Now that women and other Hillary supporters are not happy with the Biden choice, I’m not so sure that Rice would be a bad pick anymore.

  15. Erick says:

    Harry, Biden and I disagree on most things politically, I’m sure, but he is a very decent guy in person, if slightly stuck on himself, though I gather that has more to do with some sort of inferiority complex than anything else.

    Of the members of the Senate, Republican and Democrat, Biden would rank high on my list of someone I’d actually like to have dinner with.

  16. Doug Deal says:

    Erick,

    I can imagine the fun, sitting around eating dinner discussing how much higher your IQ’s are than the waiter. Or perhaps threatening the waiter about how would get him and his union if he doesn’t back your his obsession with AMTRAK. Then, you can finish off the evening making off color comments about race.

    Biden is not a decent guy. Decent people do not treat people the way that he does. Perhaps being around politicians as often as you have, you have a tainted view of what decent really means.

  17. jsm says:

    “Fox News Network, if it is indeed fair and balanced, will devote all its programming to denigrating and disparaging McCain’s VP pick for the first 24 hours after the pick becomes public.”

    Gotta have something about which to denigrate and disparage McCain’s pick first. I’m sure CNN will take the assignment of ripping McCain’s pick apart for many days.

  18. John Konop says:

    What I find very interesting is 30% of Hillary supporters are still undecided. Also 11 % claim support for McCain. At the end of the day this election has very little to do with McCain or Obama via the numbers. It looks like female voters who support Hillary will decide the next president. It looks like Obama is fighting the Hillary and Bill more than McCain.

    FROM POLITICO

    Tensions boil between Obama-Clinton camps
    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12782.html

  19. Doug Deal says:

    Tea,

    If Obama had chosen a more aggressive pick, I think she would not have been a good pick, and I would have favored a more conservative choice. With Biden as Obama’s running mate, I now think that Rice may be his best option, as it calls for a bold response. With a bold choice, McCain then takes the enthusiasm gap away from Obama, which is all he has to offer voters at this point.

  20. Icarus says:

    McCain will pick Lieberman, postion the ticket as Non-Partisan, and make Obama/Biden the liberal leftist surrender crowd.

    The howls from the right over Lieberman will make centrists, indys (though probably not our most outspoken indy), and Hillary supporters feel good about their vote for McCain.

    Even Bill Kristol is O.K. with Lieberman. When you can’t win, you just try not to lose.

  21. Icarus,

    I believe you are mis-reading the indy’s and undecided’s in GA. Most I talk to want one of two things. If government is going to continue to grow and big spending continues as well, they want the focus to change towards them instead of foreign affairs. In short, they want the money spent on them (choice Obama). Or, if we can at least stop/end the current mess and if the surge works and future conflicts can be avoided then I’d have to agree that the Rice choice would facilitate this perception, since McCain owns the surge and Rice is seen as having recent diplomatic successes (Choice McCain). Lieberman represents more of the same and everything bad about a McCain as a choice; too liberal for conservatives ( for indies and conservatives, Choice Barr or stay home).

    Just my honest assessment of GA indy’s and undecided’s (I personally don’t like Rice, due to the fact I think she wasn’t held responsible/accountable enough for 911, but others seem to be willing to ignore that).

  22. See Erick, I can be objective. I promise to do the same if given posting rights. There will be a lot of issues this year in Georgia that concern libertarian leaning folk and also I would like a place to give the libertarian perspective to others as well.

    I’ll send you some examples by e-mail soon.

    Now, I’ll continue to poke at you, though. It’s just too much fun not to.

  23. jsm says:

    “McCain will pick Lieberman, postion the ticket as Non-Partisan, and make Obama/Biden the liberal leftist surrender crowd.”

    I don’t see this happening, as remaining conservative GOP voters would get really bitter and stay home. McCain can’t afford to lose this bloc.

  24. Doug Deal says:

    Icky,

    I would not be against Liberman. But, I am one of the few that think the abortion issue is destroying our country. It is that issue alone that keeps the Democrats viable, and if the Republicans stopped using it as there end-all-be-all issue, they would have an overwelming majority and we could actually have a majority Economic conservative majority.

    For too many Socom Republicans, Stalin would have been acceptable just so long as he was “pro-life”.

  25. Bill Simon says:

    “For too many Socom Republicans, Stalin would have been acceptable just so long as he was “pro-life”.”

    You are dead-on balls accurate, Mr. Deal.

  26. GOPeach says:

    Tea –

    Condi is seen as a man by women and a white person by blacks. It would be a disaster.

    I think he would do well with a DOMESTIC – minded GOVERNOR who plays a bass. 🙂

  27. Arrrg. Your lack in understanding of science will be excused. Theory is as close to settled science as one can get, as in the Pythagorean Theory or now in your Prolyphean Theory.

  28. John Konop says:

    Doug you might find this interesting.

    This was part of a comment on my blog. It seems McCain has a catch 22 being that his support that makes the election tight is pro-choice Hillary supporters. I wonder how McCain will walk this tight rope.

    Atlantic….Depending on the measure, Obama receives the support of about 80% of people who describe themselves as Democrats. John McCain receives the support of at least 85% of those who describe themselves as Republicans….

    ….(Obama’s campaign has polling data suggesting that an unusually large number of pro-choice Democrats don’t know that McCain is pro-life.)…..

    http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/

  29. Three Jack says:

    this obama bin biden thing could make a great foundation for trading places II.

    winthorp biden is now the veep with billy ray obama taking the lead role. teddy and sheets byrd can play randolph and mortimer duke.

  30. Doug Deal says:

    Danny Boy,

    It was a joke, poking at the Global Warmers. Nothing in science is ever “settled” since one test can falsify any theory, no matter how convinced people are of it. (Except when grant money is at stake.)

    Like BS said, it was nerd humor.

  31. rugby fan says:

    Erick:

    Being the elite that you are, you would know the answer to this question.

    Does the GOP think comparing their opponent to God is a way to win in November?

  32. Tea Party says:

    Thanks for the feedback, esp. GOPeachy, that’s a perspective I would not have visualized.

    One of the better threads out there this week!

  33. Icarus says:

    Found on Fark.com:

    Ron Paul’s wife to be discharged from hospital. Paul objects on grounds that nowhere in the Constitution is hospital release addressed

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