Probably shouldn’t have gone there

There are some things best left unsaid, but I sure am impressed he was willing to be this blunt.

“It’s unfortunate that he doesn’t understand redemption and salvation and a changed life in accepting Jesus as lord and savior,” Broun said on WACG 90.7 FM in Augusta. “It’s not about religion but about a relationship with Jesus.”

“Paul is wrong on that,” Fleming replied in an interview scheduled to air Friday. “My Christian faith is the center of my life and I’ve tried not only to witness to other people in my life but I’ve tried to live a life as an example for others, and I’ll continue to do that.”

Broun often says Fleming is “bearing false witness” by attacking him, and credits God, not the voters of the Tenth District, with installing him in Congress. And you may recall that Broun’s wife Niki questioned Jim Whitehead’s Christian credentials in an e-mail that found its way onto the blogs last year. But if this doesn’t beat all, I don’t know what does.


  1. ACConservative says:

    Luke 18: 9-14 The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector

    The issue is the content of the heart as one prays. The parable is one of contrast and is unique to Luke. It contains common Lukan heroes and villains. The hero is the tax collector; the villain is the Pharisee. Humility is the exalted virtue. The parable serves as a rebuke, since it is told to some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else.

    What is most dangerous about pride is noted right at the start. First, we come to trust in our own abilities rather than trusting God. Second, we come to regard other people with contempt and disrespect rather than seeing them as created equal in the image of God. Here we are reminded, however, that God honors those who realize that their ministry does not commend them before God or make them superior; rather, we are all the objects of his grace and mercy.

    The parable takes place at Israel’s most holy site, the temple. The two visitors are on opposite ends of the social spectrum. The Pharisee is a respected religious member in a most honored social group, while the tax collector belongs to one of the most hated professions possible for a Jew.

    The two prayers also make a contrast. The Pharisee is sure that he is a blessing to God: “I thank you that I am not like other men–robbers, evildoers, adulterers–or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.” Clearly, God’s program could hardly advance without this man’s contribution. In fact, his prayer’s form is revealing. It starts out like a thanksgiving psalm in which God is praised for something he has done. But the form is perverted, since the occasion of thanksgiving is what the man has done for God. Here is trust in oneself. His real prayer is “God, I thank you that I am so marvelous.” In his own “humble” eyes he is not unrighteous. He fasts above and beyond the call of duty, twice a week, in contrast to the one fast a year on the Day of Atonement required of Jews. He gives tithes from everything (Lev 27:30-32; Num 18:21-24; Deut 14:22-27). He probably tithes down to the smallest herbs (Lk 11:42). God needs to do nothing for him. He makes no request of God, he offers no honor to God. This religious man has done it all. After reading his prayer, we wonder whether God should apply to be his assistant!

    In contrast, the tax collector senses that he approaches a holy God, a great and unique being. This man comes with timidity, from a distance, not lifting his eyes to heaven. While the Pharisee had stood right at the front and addressed God, the tax collector beats his breast in an obscure corner to reflect his contrition. A similar sign of emotional dependence in the New Testament is the lifting of hands to God to show one’s need of what he provides (1 Tim 2:8). Both practices indicate an awareness of one’s humble position before God.

    The tax collector knows he is a sinner; the Pharisee is confident of his own righteousness. The contrast could not be greater. Here is another brilliant use of literary space and contrast by Jesus.

    The tax collector asks for mercy. He desires to improve his spiritual health, not rest on any personal laurels. He is aware that the only way he has access to God is through divine mercy (Dan 9:18-19). Such access is not earned; it is the product of God’s grace.

    When Jesus evaluates the two prayers, only one petitioner went home justified. The tax collector’s prayer honored God and was heard, not that of the Pharisee. To drive the point home, Jesus concludes, “For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.” Such reversals in God’s judgments are common (1:51-53; 6:20-26; 14:11; 15:11-32; 16:19-31). The parable’s point is summarized in this saying. The tax collector has a humble heart. He is honored by God. Since this parable is an example story, the call is to be like the tax collector.

    Broun’s recent behavior and track record of boasting in his actions are very much like the pharisee in the parable. He exalts himself as THE Christian candidate… THE one with moral guidance… and THE one with a real understanding of God. His claims that he is divinely appointed to serve this district and his more than apparent belief that God has made him better than everyone else are all indicative of the pharisee’s behavior.

    While the tax collector (Fleming in this case… only more ironic that he’s a “liberal trial lawyer), hasn’t made a show of his faith. Fleming hasn’t overtly boasted of how “great” or “morally superior” he is. Fleming doesn’t look down his nose at anyone, and from the conversations I’ve had with him, he seems very humble as to who he is and where he comes from.

    Dr. Broun couldn’t stand in starker contrast.

    Bringing up Broun’s personal past may be low in the political realm, they’re interesting assertions to look at… especially for someone being appointed to spend our tax dollars. Although its important to note that these allegations are the tip of an iceberg of sleeze that has been Dr. Broun’s personal life (and things that have taken place far more recently).

  2. modcon says:

    Deuteronomy 5:11 (a.k.a. the 3rd commandment)
    Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain: for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

  3. Game Fan says:

    Seems like Fleming is the one bringing up Broun’s past and his immorality, and so seems like bringing up the subject of “redemption” is fair game. And then it looks like Fleming escalated the whole thing even further.

  4. Taft Republican says:

    Seems like Broun was talking about Fleming dredging up past sins that Broun has already told everyone about, and that he’s already been redeemed from.

    I’m sorry, but Fleming just seems like your typical slimy politician that wants the power that a DC post will bring him. And then he’ll act like all of the other so-called “Republicans” when he gets up there: big government, as long as it’s “our” big government.

    No thank you.

  5. ACConservative says:

    And Broun… the guy who kept on running for the House and Senate until he got there isn’t a sleazy, ambitious politician.

    Or is it because Broun says he’s “divinely appointed” by God to serve America in Congress.

  6. Rick Day says:

    There is only one way to tell who is the “bigger” christian.

    Let he who is willing to step up to the stake and sledge and emulate not the life, but the DEATH of Christ ™ show who is the ‘bigger christian’.

    You know guys and gals of the Jesus Netowrk o’ Souls ™, this is the kind of behavior that confirms the smug non-belief of infidels.

    Not very Christlike ™. Or…is it?

    tut tut,


  7. jdsmith says:

    Paul Broun has been endorsed by the 60-Plus Association, Georgians for the Second Amendment, the North Georgia Sportsmen Association, the Northeast Georgia Firearms Owners Assocation, the Georgia Sportsmen Assocation, and the National Rifle Assocation. Broun has also been endorsed by Team America PAC, which fights for secure borders and to correct lax immigration policies. Concerned Women for America PAC, the nation’s largest organization of conservative women also back Congressman Broun. Reverend Lou Sheldon, the president of the Traditional Values Coalition, has personally endorsed Congressman Broun along with Tony Perkins, the president of the Family Research Council.

  8. Taft Republican says:

    ACC, let’s say that Broun is a “sleazy, ambitious politician” — he’s still shown that he doesn’t act like all of the other so-called “Republicans” when he went up there: big government, as long as it’s “our” big government. He’s consistently voted like a REAL Republican. Why toss someone that’s voting the right way, in favor of someone who probably won’t?

  9. Icarus says:

    The thing I’m really trying to figure out is, has anyone actually endorsed Paul Broun. It would seem like that would be good information to know. Perhaps someone could post it here, and any other thread that has the name Broun in it?

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