Vass is not a Republican, according to the GOP

This is just hilarious.

The executive committee of the Hall County Republican party has denounced the candidacy of former Hall County Sheriff Bob Vass for clerk of court saying Vass “does not qualify as a Republican candidate for office.”

Hall County party chairman Paul Stanley, said the executive committee, which met and voted unanimously Tuesday night, conducted an investigation that included Vass’ voting history.

The Times, after learning of the party’s action, obtained a copy of Vass’ voter history from the Hall County Elections Office. The report showed Vass most recently voted in the Feb. 5 Democratic presidential preference primary.

I think it’s commendably ballsy when a local party is willing to do that — so long as it is unanimous.


  1. Doug Deal says:

    If Republicans want to limit who runs under their name, they should pay for their own primaries or hold caucuses and have ballot access rules relaxed. Otherwise this type of excercise invalidates any democratic principle left in the electoral process. Just denouce everyone except the pre-selected candidates.

  2. umustbekidding says:

    I wonder if Tommy S. had something to do with this. It was OK when Lee Hawkins joined the GOP after he decided to run. No one in the Hall GOP had a problem with him being a life long democrat. I guess TS and Chris M. don’t care when it is their candidate.

  3. Icarus says:

    Doug, I have to disagree.

    A lot of counties have been R only or D only for quite some time. I’ve lived in counties like that my entire life. Over time, the party loses its identity, as folks from the other party realize that they have to run under the majority party if they are going to win.

    I have no problem with the executive committee of a party publicly stating that a “Republican” candidate has never voted in a Republican primary, and only months before qualifying, voted in a Democrat PPP.

    I do have a problem with executive committees getting involved in contested primaries, but this is an extreme case that warrants a response.

  4. Doug Deal says:

    I don’t mind people bringing up their voting record, I look that stuff up all of the time. I have a problem with officially “denouncing” candidates.

    In my opinion this country made a huge mistake by tying the national parties to the state parties to the local parties.

    In Georgia, there should be two (or more) viable state parties even if the state as a whole mostly votes Republican nationally. No one in Georgia, except perhaps Keith Gross (D) – GA, FL, MD, France, has much in common with people in San Francisco or New York City. It has got to suck for Democratic state legislators to be tied to Nancy Pelosi, Clinton and Ted Kennedy.

    That being said, if the Republican party want s ballot purity, then stop coming to the tax players to fund their primary.

  5. bowersville says:

    Good luck to the Republican party standing up to Bob Vass in Hall County.

    I’m glad there are party loyalist to a fault. Thank goodness for those idiots in Hart County that stood up for party principal and denied Alan Powell entrance into the Republican primary.

    You see where that got the Republican party of our district. A 3-1 defeat.

  6. Bowersville, how did the Hart county party “deny” Alan Powell entrance into the Republican Primary.

    Maybe I’m missing some story here i was unaware of…but all Alan has to do is show up at the capitol and file as a Republican. The local party can’t ‘deny’ anyone.

  7. bowersville says:

    Oh Alan could have flied to run as a Republican, and he would have been elected anyway, but he decided to respectfully consider swapping parties to the GOP and he was told that the local party would have to approve the party change.

    And guess what, the local party disapproved it, and now you have Alan Powell, the Democrat, for as long as he desires to run.

    And guess now, the Republicans, of which I am one, are stuck with it.

    And do you believe it, Bob Vass will do the same.

  8. RuralDem says:

    I think it’s quite sad to see this happening. It’s a clerk of court seat. Anyone with half a brain would admit that if it wasn’t for so many party switchers in recent years, the GOP would not be as strong as it is now. Granted, I think the identity switch would have happened either way, I think it happened earlier due to the defections.

    Apparently whoever is running that county party does not realize this stuff. If they truly believe in what they’re fighting for, I’d ask them to submit a letter asking the Governor and many of the Senate and House members to switch parties.

    Obviously it won’t happen because they truly don’t believe in that mess.

  9. umustbekidding says:

    I told you so…
    “Tommy Sandoval, a political consultant who is a member of the Hall County GOP executive committee, told The Times he conducted the investigation into Vass’ record. Sandoval is also a paid consultant to the campaign of Jennifer Gibbs, one of Vass’ opponents.”
    This is from the updated Times story

  10. drjay says:

    erick i have to disagree w/ you–unless you are talking about some sort of david duke nut job that the whole party is going to rebuke and eject–doing this–over a clerk of court seat no less–to a former gop elected official-who may have voted in a prez primary of the opposite party for any number of reasons–is absurd–if you think its an issue bring it up on the trail and let the voters decide–the state party was courting conservative dems to switch to the gop in 02 like crazy–the old da in augusta switched–pretty much so the guv would appoint him to a judgeship and noone raised a fuss–the clerk of court???-good grief….

  11. Romegaguy says:

    I wonder if a certain county in middle Georgia had a vote like this when someone decided to run for Governor a few years ago….

  12. jsm says:

    Wow. These candidates are talking to Martha Zoller right now on 550AM, and callers are skewering Tommy and the party.

  13. Doug Deal says:


    As they should. It is heavy handed and stupid. “Political Consultants” aren’t worth the paper they are printed on. If he truly is a P.C., then he should know that such strong arm tactics ALWAYS backfire and turn the person being attacked into a victim.

    What a moron.

    Also, isn’t it in the bylaws of the state GOP that no officer nor member of any exectutive board of any GOP organization in state can endorse one Republican candidate over another in a primary?

  14. jsm says:


    I’m just observing right now, because I’ve never seen this kind of thing before. I don’t know all the information about this situation, but I understand the party’s motivation of filtering out those who are just using our name to have a chance of winning. I’m sure the party will be looking at this situation in the future to decide whether this was the best course of action and to determine how to address these issues in the future. You can see an explanation from the party chairman here:

  15. Chris says:

    Also, isn’t it in the bylaws of the state GOP that no officer nor member of any exectutive board of any GOP organization in state can endorse one Republican candidate over another in a primary?

    I don’t think so. At least in gwinnett, exec board members can personally endorse someone, they just can’t use their official party title. i think Gwinnett also has a rule prohibiting the chairman from making any endorsements.

  16. Doug Deal says:


    I think you are right, it probably is using their official title to endorse. I wrote bylaws for the Bibb County YR’s and remembered something about the restriction on exectutive board members from the state bylaws.

  17. drjay says:

    i did not catch until i read the article that he was a dem sherriff–that is a little different–but he appears to have a mixed voting history based on the article–and he did join the party officially–which i assume means writing a check and swearing an oath and all that–interesting politics at play–i wonder if there is more to it–not being from up there its hard to form an informed opinion–but it is fun to watch…

  18. umustbekidding says:

    I am up here and I can tell you Tommy is just up to his dirty tricks. Tommy supports Gibbs and then uses his position in the GOP to vote to kick Vass out.
    This just stinks. Tommy must see Vass as a real challenge so he will try to run his name into the dirt right at the last minute. Just as he did to Musselwhite 2 years ago when he was running Hawkins campaign.

  19. jsm says:

    Okay, kidding. We can see that you’re angry and that you really don’t like Tommy. However, a quorum of the party’s exec committee agreed with him unanimously.

    Some of the sentiment in this decision may come from the fact that Vass has not made any efforts to align himself with the party or spend any time getting to know us. I have never met him, and I go to most party events. I walked in the Memorial Day parade with the party, and I never saw Vass. He didn’t speak to any of us there and chose not to stage himself with us and numerous other GOP candidates.

    This action did not happen solely because of Sandoval.

  20. jsm says:

    I take that back. Thinking back, I think I did see Vass once from a distance on Memorial Day and wondered why he didn’t join us.

  21. umustbekidding says:

    So Vass didn’t kiss up to you so he needs to be kicked out?
    Tommy should not be voting on something that effects a candidate when he is the consultant for the opponent.
    I can’t help the fact that there are no leaders, just followers in the Hall GOP. Appartently they are easily mislead by the slick lies of TS.

  22. umustbekidding says:

    I don’t know Vass either but my guess is he didn’t join you because you were with Tommy and Tommy is supporting Gibbs.

  23. umustbekidding says:

    Maybe Vass is taking the time to talk to real people instead of wasting his time with the Hall GOP who won’t vote for him anyways.

  24. umustbekidding says:

    I don’t blame you, newday. Some of the GOP “leaders” (and I use that term loosely) think they are sooo clever. They want to push their personal choices through and they think we are too stupid to figure it out.

  25. RobertC says:

    so what qualifies someone to be a political consultant? I met that sandavol guy and he’s a hack. i wouldnt hire him to work at the local arbys.

    who are all these weirdos who call themselves political consultants? isn’t there some kind of reasonable definition?

    Cause if I am a real political consultant I’d be insulted that this sandavol guy is calling himself one.

  26. umustbekidding says:

    Sandavol is nothing but a computer junk salesman. Politics is where he feels important and where he can meet and mingle with people with real jobs. He is the guy that will do the dirty work by spreading lies right at the last minute so no one will find out the truth until the election is over.

  27. umustbekidding says:

    Hurrah! Tommy resigned from the Hall GOP executive Committee today.
    Now, if he would just move away.

  28. Goldwater Conservative says:

    That does not make him a democrat, necessarily. Perhaps he is just a good GOP moron that listens to Rush Limbaugh. I can not count how times I have heard that baffoon tell his radical listeners to vote in the democratic primary for “x” because it will help the republican candidate. He was just telling PA republicans (a couple of months ago now) to vote for Hilary Clinton in the democratic primary…because Obama is more of a threat to McCain’s prospects than Hilary is.

  29. umustbekidding says:

    jms – are you sure? I heard it from 3 different people that were there and he never showed up.
    Risigning would be the ethical thing to do but TS doesn’t have any ethics so maybe you are right.

  30. shep1975 says:

    There is no state rule that prohibits a county committee from endorsing. There is also no state rule that prohibits a party official from endorsing using their party title.

    Many counties and other Republican groups (like the YRs) prohibit in their bylaws an officer from endorsing using their title and/or the committee from endorsing, but it’s up to that body.

    If Hall County has rules that allow the county committee to support or oppose a Republican candidate, they can.

    There was a situation that came up on the State Executive Committee 2 years ago. I can’t remember the details but I think it was based on the Party’s support of the Governor when he was technically facing a primary battle. Alec was not going to back down on the party officially supporting Sonny’s re-election and mentioned the fact the RNC has supported one candidate over another in contested primary races. Like with Sonny, it was situations of protecting an incumbent.

  31. umustbekidding says:

    There is No incumbent in this race. The problem here is the GOP welcomed Vass to the party back in April. Then days before the election, while early voting was going on, they vote to toss him out. The person leading the vote was a paid consultant on the opponents campaign. That’s just wrong.

  32. jsm says:

    kidding, get your facts right. Nobody voted to toss anyone out. The committe voted to oppose Vass in this primary election after finding out several facts, which included his vote in the democratic presidential primary this year.

    Vass is still on the ballot, and he is still a member of the party. The committee merely chose to recommend that Republicans not vote for him, because they don’t feel his actions and associations represent the principles of the GOP.

  33. Bill Simon says:


    You said this: “Cause if I am a real political consultant I’d be insulted that this sandavol guy is calling himself one.”

    You want to know an example of a REAL “political consultant?”

    Follow the career of Joel McElhannon. He doesn’t waste his time “blogging” on here and bragging about his skills.

    He doesn’t engage in political party crap like the unethical actions of Sandoval who did not remove himself from the Hall County GOP when he had chosen sides (and was actually hired as a political “consultant”) for an opponent.

    In short, if you have any interest in finding a quality, no bullsh*t Republican consultant who works diligently for his clients BEHIND the scenes (as a consultant should), get to know Joel McElhannon.

  34. shep1975 says:

    I realize there is no imcumbent in the race, Kidding, however, I am also aware that the Hall GOP did not endorse a candidate over another. They simply said that candidates A and B are better than C if you are looking for a candidate that most closerly mirrors the prinicples of the Republican Party.

    Here is what confuses me. What real impact does the party have on any individual candidate to make or break his or her campaign? If this vote costs Vass the race, he must have been a pretty poor candidate anyway.

    That being the case, I could also care less if Tommy S. or Joel McElhannon or any other political consultant is in party leadership.

    When we had a political consultant as Chairman of the Party from 2001-2003, he did one hell of a job. Say what you want about Ralph Reed’s shortcomings, but it’s hard to deny the fact that he motivated the grassroots into action, had a coordinated plan of attack against the Democrats and was part of the reason we have the Senate, House, and Governor’s mansion.

    So, the Hall County GOP said Vass is a RINO. If it irks you that much, stop whining on PP, thereby illustrating Phil Gramm’s point exactly, and do something about it.

  35. umustbekidding says:

    “Vass is not a Republican”, so what if I used the word “toss” – they voted that he was not a republican. It was a political move to hurt him today, election day.
    This is the kind of stuff that people outside of the party see and think “they’re crooked”.
    I think we should have higher standards than that. Keep in mind, party switching was not a problem for TS when he was working for Mr. Hawkins.
    BTW – jms, are you in the Hall GOP? Did you vote on this?
    Also, TS is gone. His name has been taken off the website.

  36. jsm says:

    kidding, I am a member of the Hall GOP. I did not vote on this. I happen to believe that politicians who run as Republicans when they clearly do not support our candidates and beliefs are “crooked.”

    I also volunteered on the Hawkins campaign, and I had no problem with Hawkins’ record. He very clearly demonstrated to me that he had left the democratic party and that he supports the ideals of the GOP. His record of democratic involvement was nowhere near as recent to his campaign as that of Vass. We’re still waiting for Vass to show that he has left the democratic party.

    And you’re right, this was a political move to hinder Vass’ chances of being the GOP nominee. We want voters to know that there is a democrat in Republicans’ clothing trying to dupe them.

    Pardon us.

    P.S. Apparently, there has been some conflicting info about TS. There will be a statement from the chairman soon.

  37. umustbekidding says:

    Lee Hawkins had always voted Democrat, he’s father chaired the democratic party. He gave money to serveral democrats within the year he ran, including one that was running against Cagle. He is a RINO if I ever saw one.
    BTW – I just voted for Vass. I have never met the man but I believe the committee has done him wrong.
    If this would have been done right after he joined, I would not have a problem with it. Or if it had been done in the past.
    As far as TS goes- if he isn’t out then it just shows what a sneaky group all of you are. Paul Stanley need to resign too.

  38. jsm says:

    “BTW – I just voted for Vass. I have never met the man but I believe the committee has done him wrong.”

    What an excellent reason to vote for someone.

  39. Doug Deal says:


    It might be on the Top 5 good reasons. If some self important committee that got elected to office because no one else wanted the job doesn’t like him, he really couldn’t be all that bad.

    Party boss busy-bodies are generally why the GOP sucks so much right now.

  40. umustbekidding says:

    A better reason for voting for Vass is he didn’t hire an A$$ to manage his campaign.

  41. Taft Republican says:

    Ha ha, here’s an even funnier reason to vote for a fake Republican: “He’s the lesser of two evils.”


    oh wait a minute…

  42. umustbekidding says:

    I’m a libertarian. Sometimes I can’t tell any difference between the republicans and democrats, so I might as well vote for a dem or a republican ticket. 😉

  43. newdayinga says:

    Well, too bad Vass lost. I wondered if he will stay a Republican after what Stanley, Sandoval, and Mills did to him. I can’t beleive they made such a big deal out of his primary vote. No one should know how you vote. Mills challenger has a good idea about sealing your preference so that no one knows how you voted in the primary. I think that is a good idea. Wonder if Vass will campaign against Mills during the General. 21% is a big chunk of Republican votes.

  44. Icarus says:

    “I wondered if he will stay a Republican”

    Are you sure he ever was one?

    “I can’t beleive they made such a big deal out of his primary vote. No one should know how you vote”

    When you put your name on the ballot, you’re asking people to put a lot of trust in you. The people have to look at all information available when deciding who will best represent their views. Just 5 months ago, this man felt that either Hillary Clinton or Barak Obama were the best choices for President. He didn’t feel like helping decide between McCain, Huckabee, Romney, or Paul. I’m sure he does wish that no one would know that.

  45. jsm says:

    newday, don’t lie about Mills’ involvement. He had nothing to do with this. You’re just trying to pimp your misguided candidate AGAIN.

  46. umustbekidding says:

    It would not surprise me if Mills was involved. I wish someone would run against him. I’d donate to their campaign no matter what party they were in.
    I will be out to vote for Baker in the run off. Gibbs may have had the lead last night, but we all know how run offs go – no one shows up.

  47. Romegaguy says:

    Wait a minute. Paul Stanley left KISS to head up the Chair of the Hall County GOP? Does he wear his makeup to meetings?

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