1. Taft Republican says:

    Isn’t he supposed to be on Stephanopoulos’ show sometime too?

    Has any LP candidate ever gotten this much press?

  2. Icarus says:

    Nice use of Arcade Fire for a soundtrack. Bonus points for that. As for the rest, I remain unimpressed.

    I think if the libertarians actually want to take some ground and try governing, they’re going to have to do it by winning some state and local offices first.

    I remain unwilling to vote for a presidential candidate who has no chance to win. I would be a lot more likely to vote for, possibly even donate to and work for, a libertarian state house candidate, mayor, etc.

    I would be willing to bet that there are some ITP house/senate districts that the right Libertarian candidate could peel off enough democrat voters and combine with the gentrified republican infill residents that you could pick up a seat or two.

  3. Taft Republican says:

    Icarus, is it only about winning when you cast your vote? I mean, if the choice was between Hitler, Stalin and Bob Barr, and Bob Barr didn’t look like he had a chance, would you vote for Hitler or Stalin?

    My vote is worth more than that. I don’t want to waste it on someone I disagree with on most issues, even if that person has “a chance to win” and the person I vote for doesn’t. Why waste my vote?

  4. Icarus says:

    “is it only about winning when you cast your vote?”


    “if the choice was between Hitler, Stalin and Bob Barr, and Bob Barr didn’t look like he had a chance, would you vote for Hitler or Stalin?”

    I would probably not be waiting around for that election, but would be fleeing the country. People who exercise their freedom of speech as I do didn’t fare too well under Hitler and Stalin.

    “Why waste my vote?”

    Your vote is yours to do what you please. If you feel that making a statement on a candidate that is sure to lose, then by all means, do it.

    I think the changes under even two years of a democrat president and democrat congress to issues like union representation, free trade, business regulation, and judicial appointments, are too high a price to pay just to signify my unhappiness that McCain isn’t the second coming of Reagan.

  5. Taft Republican says:

    Hmmm. I appreciate your position, but we’ve had a whole bunch of years of Democrat/Republican leadership, and labor, trade, regulations and the royal judiciary have apparently already been sold down the river while we kept voting for the people who were selling us out.

    I don’t vote to “make a statement.” I vote for someone, based on whether I agree with him on most issues. Again, I just don’t want to waste the only vote I get, on some schlep who’s just going to give me more of the same, and worse.

  6. Icarus says:

    “…but we’ve had a whole bunch of years of Democrat/Republican leadership,…”

    I would argue that we haven’t had a whole lot of leadership, and virtually none since about 97. I’m the first to admit that the Republicans turned over power to K-Street and abdicated the responsibilities that put them in the majority. Tom Delay has done more to destroy our party than Dennis Kucinich could have ever dreamed to. Those that were elected as reformers in 94 either term limited themselves or have become what they used to despise. (I see great parallels in our GA leadership right now, as well.)

    I would still take the mediocrity we’ve had for the last decade over the march toward socialism that we’re going to take with Obama/Pelosi/Reed. And, sadly, those are the two actual choices we have right now.

    McCain is the closest the Republicans have to a deficit hawk right now. Hopefully we can groom a few more during the next four years.

  7. Taft Republican says:

    I don’t think we’ve had mediocrity. I think they’ve been very good at what they have been doing. It’s just that… what they have been doing is a “march toward socialism” from both parties. Or “slouching towards Gomorrah,” or “escape from freedom,” or a “march from freedom to fascism,” or whatever. And the band plays on, and we keep voting them in, and they feel like it must be what we want because we keep voting for them. And the march goes on.


  8. Harry says:

    When the media figures out that Barr takes away at least as many votes from Obama, they’ll lay off. And he does, you know. A lot of anti-establishment independents who would otherwise vote Obama will vote for Barr. That plus Nader (how come he doesn’t get any respect) adds up to trouble for Obama.

  9. Chris says:


    Interesting choices there. Of course, if one can give credit to Ralph for winning South Carolina in 2000 for GW Bush, then I’d say of the three of those, Reed has done the most to march us down the road to socialism.

    If Obama wins the White House in November it will be because George W. Bush and his incompetent big-government cronies handed the election to the Democrats on a silver platter.

  10. Bill Simon says:

    I think “Reed” was supposed to be spelled “Reid”.

    But, Chris, to your point, Ralph Reed and Karl Rove are two of the MOST despicable people in the world to have actually used the fact that the McCains adopted a dark-skinned orphan from another country and turned that into “McCain had a black baby”, as if to imply McCain had an extra-marital affair with a black woman.

    I can only hope that one day, Ralph Reed/Karl Rove just happen to walk into the path of a bus and get their just desserts.

  11. Harry says:

    Don’t forget “Sid Vicious” Blumenthal on the Dem side. One of his comments:

    President Bush’s drive for absolute power has momentarily stalled. In a single coup, he planned to take over all the institutions of government. By crushing the traditions of the Senate he would pack the courts, especially the supreme court, with lockstep ideologues. Sheer force would prevail. But just as his blitzkrieg reached the outskirts of his objective, he was struck by a mutiny.

  12. John Konop says:


    I would agree with you on the old McCain. The fact is both Obama and McCain propose a tax and spending programs with no money to pay for it. We need leadership that will promise not to pas any more bills without the money to pay for it.

    The falling dollar cannot get corrected by pilling up more debt! And unless we fix the spending we will see inflation spiraling out of control.

    It would be cheaper to pay a small increase in taxes rather than have the dollar fall to the value of a peso. I do not advocate tax increases but it is better than tax cuts with increase spending.

    Also healthcare crisis is destroying our economy. Any business owner will tell you at the rate of increase we cannot keep up or can the employees. This forces employees to drop healthcare or companies to out source. At the end we all pay.

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