GRTL Endorsements

You can get the GRTL endorsements for the U.S. House here.

The GA Senate is here.

The GA House is here.

I always find it interesting to see which females are named. In the House, GRTL has endorsed Betty Brandy, Charlice Byrd, and Cindye Coates.

In the U.S. House endorsements, Deborah Honeycutt is listed.

In the GA Senate, Renee Unterman and Nancy Schaefer get the nod.

Despite this, however, I don’t think I would leave out people like Judy Manning and Sharon Cooper. They are certainly are not pro-abortion. Likewise, what about Katie Dempsey, Cecily Hill, Penny Houston, Jan Jones, Lynn Smith, Donna Sheldon, and Barbara Sims. They all voted for H.B. 147, the “Women’s Right to Know Act.” The only female in the GOP caucus to vote know was Jill Chambers.

I suspect this has to do with whether one believes in the two exceptions or the three exceptions to abortion.

190 comments

  1. A Typical White Person says:

    Erick,

    Apparently you are ignorant. According to the GRTL, anyone who doesn’t toe their assinine lines is “pro-abortion. Period.

  2. Dan Becker says:

    Erick,

    In most of the cases mentioned you “suspected” correctly . . . but not all. Some just failed to return their candidate survey by print time. You must call your candidate for an explanation.

    Conservative talk show host, Dennis Prager says, “An unborn fetus is either ‘something’ or it is ‘nothing’. If it is ‘something’, then that ‘something’ is a ‘human person’. “Due to the emerging bio-medical technology and its assault on the value of human life. we have been forced to hold a very clear definition of what it means to be “pro-life.” As seen in the recent laws in the UK that permit human cloning and animal/human hybrids, we must insist that our endorsed candidates hold the line on human dignity in the 21st century.

    For a candidate to say that they are pro-life, but in fact believe that a child can be legally put to death based on its manner of conception is antithetical to a pro-life definition by ALL pro-life organizations in our nation. The reason is clear . . . “exceptions” in the 21st century are increasing in number and scope. Consider in-vitro fertilization that leads to selective reduction and genetic screening, “therapeutic” cloning (otherwise known as “clone-to-kill”), human organ “pharming”, human/animal hybrids such as the “glow in the dark” fetus reported just last month, these are all examples of “fresh exceptions” that are being promoted by supposedly “pro-life” legislators. It is no longer just about “rape and incest.”

    The pro-life battle lines need to be re-drawn to accommodate 21st century abuses. I am saddened that the women you mentioned are still locked in the 20th century and I am grateful for the large number of incumbent legislators that are engaged in the battle to restore respect and full legal protection to all PERSONS conceived by any means in this time of unfettered scientific experimentation. All humans are persons no matter how small.

    For the sanctity of life,
    Dan Becker
    President
    Georgia Right to Life

  3. Romegaguy says:

    Oh, and if GOPeach had front page posting privileges we would have known about this a little earlier… just saying

  4. Romegaguy says:

    Maybe if you started posting while watching the GA Gang, you could get front page rights

  5. GOPeach says:

    Look,

    It is my understanding that EVERYONE gets the same exact forms at the same time… Some people drag their feet and FAIL to get their paperwork in on time… SHOULD prioritize a little better!

    I WOULD THINK this would be VERY IMPORTANT !

  6. GOPeach says:

    Icarus – I am talking about the other legislators that are supposedly ” PRO-LIFE” but are really fence-riders. They pull this every election cycle..

    When asked if they are “pro-life”, they say “YES”!
    When asked if they think BABIES conceived by rape should be murdered… they say ” YES!”.

    Soooo – How does this PROTECT the INNOCENT?

  7. A Typical White Person says:

    So, Dennie Prager would basically be in favor of the US Congress shutting down and holding vigils like they did a few years back for that woman in Florida?

    If you want to guarantee every life, you better be ready to guarantee the quality of every life. Otherwise, it’s an exercise in stupidity, futility, and just a demonstration of how one segment of society (religious orthodoxy) seeks to govern whatever anyone else does.

  8. GOPeach says:

    Here’s the deal…

    Religion has NOTHING to do with it!

    As a long-time TAX-PAYER…
    I am NOT for giving money to that damn Planned Parenthood to kill American babies…

    GIVE the EXACT $ame Money to ADOPTION Services ! And we wonder why we have 50 million illegals? One for EVERY murdered Anerican baby! Do that Math.

    This is not a RELIGIOUS decision … It is FISCAL! BIG TIME FISCAL!

  9. GOPeach says:

    Erick,

    What did you mean by this?

    “I always find it interesting to see which females are named. In the House, GRTL has endorsed Betty Brandy, Charlice Byrd, and Cindye Coates.

    In the U.S. House endorsements, Deborah Honeycutt is listed.

    In the GA Senate, Renee Unterman and Nancy Schaefer get the nod.”

  10. Icarus says:

    No, here’s the deal,

    you guys have been working on the RTL issue for over 30 years, and haven’t moved the ball.

    If you put your efforts into my front page campaign, you could probably have that settled in a week or so.

    Perhaps Bill Green could even use some of my better quotes in his next direct mail.

    I’m telling you, you guys need a win. This is the place to start.

  11. GOPeach says:

    Why is it interesting that Betty Brandy, Charlice Byrd, Cindye Coates, Deborah Honeycutt, Renee Unterman and Nancy Schaefer “get the nod”?

    They got their paper work in and thought that is was VERY important to RESPOND with NO hesitation.

  12. A Typical White Person says:

    I don’t think their purpose is to ever “move the ball.”

    Their purpose is to see how much money they can raise for themselves to make it seem like an important matter.

    It’s all about control over the masses, whether on the Left or from the Right.

    If this “ball” was moved to a goal line, what would people like Dan Becker have to do in life? What would people like Sadie Fields do to get-up in the morning?

  13. GOPeach says:

    People like Dan Becker and Sadie Fields would most likely have more time to raise PRIVATE MONEY to build Homes for Un-Wed Mothers,
    Adpotion Centers, and Clinics for the Needy.

    They believe like me, if we paid LESS TAXES to programs that are broken, we would have more money to put into CHARITY!

  14. Romegaguy says:

    Icarus you know that you have my vote (not that it seems to matter). Try using phrases like web 2.0 or buy yourself an I-phone.

  15. Goldwater Conservative says:

    To start, I must apologize to everybody that has posted on this thread thus far. I have not read your input, but I must respond to Erick’s ignorance.

    Erick, nobody is pro-abortion. We are pro-choice…pro-freedom. We do not want to tell a woman what they can or can not do with their body. I am pro-choice…that does not mean when I see a pregnant woman that I tell her to have an abortion…this is why you are a blogger and not a real journalist. I, and all pro-choicers, leave it to the mother to decide.

    You, sir, are worse than Hitler!

  16. voice of reason says:

    “We do not want to tell a woman what they can or can not do with their body.”

    What if a woman wants to sell her body in prostitution; or poison it with drugs. Most “pro-choice” people have some limitations on what women can do with their bodies… They like to pick and choose those rights.

    A person’s right to throw a punch ends where another person’s face begins. The sticky point is the innocent victim of the “choice” some women make.

  17. shep1975 says:

    Hitler, “Jews and invalids aren’t people so we can kill them guilt free.”

    GoldwaterConservative, “Unborn children aren’t people so we can kill them guilt free.”

    I lost a good number of my family in the Holocaust because Hitler thought like that. HOW DARE YOU SO FLIPPANTLY COMPARE ERICK TO THAT KIND OF MONSTER!

  18. Goldwater Conservative says:

    shep, yes…unborn fetuses are only fetuses, they are not humans. They have more in common with tapeworms than homo sapiens.

    I do not believe, same with most progressives, that rights are a matter of a religious/ideological piecemeal. Drugs and prostitution should not be illegal either. Just like abortion, if it were criminalized, they are all victimless crimes. Thats right, modern conservatism has no philosophical foundation…it is a piecemeal of conflicitng ideas from economic theories, religious views and vague amateur observations of political life.

  19. Goldwater Conservative says:

    What pains me most is that there are a couple of million people that will vote this election season on one thing…and it does not even affect their life.
    About 3million people are going to show up at the polls to vote for the pro-life candidate. That one single issue…and it just so happens that the republican they are voting for is also going to support legislation to weaken the dollar, ship American jobs overseas, allow for future predatory lending schemes to develop, lower home values, and…overall lower the standard of living the US.

    If you people are such religious nuts, then listen to the [email protected] bible. Stop preaching this garbage in public and let “god” sort everything out later.

  20. shep1975 says:

    Goldwater, your incredible leap of logic in your post I originally commented on has destroyed any credibility you could possibly have in making any argument. When you say something as utterly stupid as Erick Erickson is worse than a man who killed 6 million Jews and another 6 million of various groups including Catholics, Protestants, individuals with disabilities, and homosexuals than you have shown you do not have a mind with an ability to make rational thoughts. At least you are not alone. You have GodHatesTrash and Boyreporter out ther to keep you company. You are a disgrace to the name that you have hijacked. Try to steer the argument away by name calling, it will not take away the fact you have held up for contempt the sacrifice that members of my family had to make to defeat that monster…from my American, Christain great uncles and grandfather who all served in Europe to my Polish, Jewish cousins who were butchered. If you think Erick is worse than Hitler, you have a serious metal defect, or you have no clue who Hitler was. Let’s hope you are just a victim of your own ignorance.

  21. bowersville says:

    For once GC and I agree.

    “a couple of million people will vote on one thing (anti-abortion) and it doesn’t even affect their life.

    You are right GC, we are among the living. Those aborted are dead.

  22. bowersville says:

    GC, change your moniker, you are a disgrace to humanity if you don’t have any comprehension of the likes of Hitler and anyone on PP.

    You sir are an idiot.

  23. Goldwater Conservative says:

    Bowersville, Shep and most of all Erick, I apologize for the comment regarding Hitler. That was taken far too literally. I should have used the name of a dictator that just sought to limit freedom and expand the reaches of government into the private lives of individuals rather than exterminating them…any number of mid-east islamo-facists and Joe McCarthy come to mind.

    Bowersville, I am not idiot. Furthermore, how does your neighbor having an abortion affect your life? This is what I am talking about. Just like your neighbor being gay will not change your life, and if he/she choses to marry another gay person…it still will not affect your life, liberty or property.

  24. Goldwater Conservative says:

    *that should have read ‘I am no idiot.” that extra “t” was a typo.

  25. BubbaRich says:

    Okay, here we go again. I’ll ask the question again, are any of you anti-abortion freaks (GOPeach, Dan Becker, and bowersville, at least) in favor of the one thing that does reduce abortions, comprehensive sex education? It’s your choice, you can help decrease the number of what you think are actual murders of human beings, with the cost that your daughters get to learn what a condom is in junior high.

    Which is more important to your hypocritical selves?

  26. GOPeach says:

    I am for PARENTS taking a COMPREHENSIVE SEX EDUCATION CLASS and LEARN to connect with their kids…

    My Husband & I have the BEST SEX in TOWN..
    And we will tell our KIDS ANYTHING THEY WANT to know about it! I do not want a Single School Teacher … “Go Oprah” on my kids.. Now Grandkids!…

  27. GOPeach says:

    Romeguy-

    How can you say such an EVIL THING!
    That was over the top!

    Un-Americans have more sense that kill the only thing they will see in heaven… their children!

    There is ONLY ONE thing you can take with you to Heaven- Your Kids!

  28. BubbaRich says:

    GOPeach,

    I see, so you come down clearly in favor of more murdered babies (in your universe), rather than risk having teachers actually give sex education.

    Or are you saying that it’s only YOUR grandbabies you don’t want murdered, you’re fine if everybody else murders babies?

    I think you’re making your point, though, you don’t need a fully-formed brain to be a human being, or even to be active in politics.

  29. GOPeach says:

    I am saying….

    I THINK WE NEED TO TEACH PARENTS to BE PARENTS!!!! They need to be the TEACHERS of their OWN KIDS!!!

    The STATE is NOTCHO MAMA!

  30. A Typical White Person says:

    I think we should back to the time of parents being required to take an IQ test before raising kids. Oh? That was never a requirement?

    Well, that explains a lot.

  31. bowersville says:

    GC, my gay neighbor isn’t dead, those aborted are still dead.

    Neither affect my life, but I happen to enjoy the company of the living better than the dead, be them gay, liberal or whatever, I chose to celebrate life and abhor death.

    I apologize about the idiot name calling I did. Shalom.

  32. BubbaRich says:

    So, Peach, if you are against good sex education in schools to stop abortion, are you also against the morning after pill and other medical abortions of early embryos? Or are you less of a DNA worshipper than others?

  33. GOPeach says:

    Well – I worship GOD!
    Let’s get that out of the way…

    If someone wants to go take the “morning after pill” .. THAT is between them and GOD… JUST do NOT FORCE TAX PAYERS to to do it! I would rather feed kids than kill them… That is MY LIBERTY!

  34. John Konop says:

    Extreme points are made on both side of this issue when debated most of the time. I have seen woman called murders for having an abortion. If this is murder should they be arrested and given life in prison or death penalty for having an abortion?

    I do think this should be decided at the State or local level. I also am against abortion on a personal level. Yet I have friends and associates who think this is a woman’s rights issue and would not support throwing them in prison.

    My first instincts are to forgive and walk in other person’s shoes. Also work on issues that will reduce abortion.

    Parental consent

    Education

    Two parent families

    …….

  35. shep1975 says:

    GC, I accept you apology. I don’t mind as a political tactic comparing people to someone like McCarthy, whether I agree with them or not. It’s political rhetoric. As far as I know, McCarthy didn’t kill anyone. Comparing conservatives, or liberals for that matter, to Stalin, Hitler, Mao, the Khmer Rouge and Pol Pot, or any of the other famous mass murderers in history not only takes the rhetoric so far into the relm of hysteria that it kills any meaningful dialogue. Furthermore, it cheapens what these people actually did, perperuate the murder of hundreds of thousands to millions of people. Stalin and Mao with their purges wiped out more people than we have living in the southeast US.

    Pol Pot killed 1/4 of the population of Cambodia. In America, that would be 75,000,000 people.

    Stalin “purged” anywhere between 3 and 20 million.

    Mao’s Great Leap Forward program caused the deaths of millions by starvation and the Cultural Revolution killed millions more.

    I don’t think anyone on Peach Pundit is anywhere near these people, nor should they be compared to these people.

    We may have more than one Joe McCarthy on there though. But keep in mind, the U.S. Senate did eventually censure McCarthy. However, despite McCarthy’s extreme failings, there is soemthing he said that I’m sure many on here would agree with, “you cannot offer friendship to tyrants and murderers…without advancing the cause of tyranny and murder.”

  36. yellowhammer says:

    Sex Education for the parents, but not the kids? The image of a group of parents…which means they have kids and thus have had sex at least once.. sitting around watching an instructor put a condom on a banana and show slides of genital warts is humorous, but what will this solve? Even if parents take the class, what’s to say they won’t relay the info to the child correctly? I would feel much better having a trained person to deliver the information to my child. I would also think that children would be more inclined to ask relevant questions to someone who is not their parent. I understand your willingness to answer these questions for your children, and I applaud that, but that’s the exception, rather than the rule.

  37. Romegaguy says:

    I noticed on the Congressional endorsements that they rewarded Paul Broun for his work to promote the concept of life begins at ejaculation. Well done Mr. Broun and maybe one day you’ll be sworn in.

  38. ConservativeCaucus says:

    Typical White Person (TWP) said: “If you want to guarantee every life, you better be ready to guarantee the quality of every life.”

    Wow. I find that to be a remarkably dangerous statement. This line of reasoning takes you down the road to euthanasia – that someone gets to determine what life is worth living. Hitler made those remarks about Jews, Jehovah Witnesses, homosexuals, and the mentally handicapped. (As a disclaimer, I am not comparing the TWP to Hitler nor that he has Hitlerian tendencies – I just want to warn those reading that “quality of life” arguments lead us down the road to trying to decide whose life is worth living)

    TWP: “Their purpose is to see how much money they can raise for themselves to make it seem like an important matter.”

    This is what is frustrating with having a debate with someone on the left. It seems that the minute that you disagree with them, they immediately question your motives. You may think that Becker is misguided or on some kind of Quixotic quest, but he is a decent man. People who are in the pro-life movement believe that all life should be honored and protected. You must believe that the fetus is not a life. Apparently, that is where we disagree. However, it is probably safe to say that if we all learned of a place where children between the ages of 7-10 were being killed, then we would all rise up and (rightfully) do whatever we could to stop it.

    The problem is you make the leap that because you disagree with Becker on when life begins, then he must be using this “issue” for his own personal profit. I find that line of reasoning very troubling.

  39. ConservativeCaucus says:

    GC said: “Bowersville, Shep and most of all Erick, I apologize for the comment regarding Hitler. That was taken far too literally.”

    Far too literally? “You, sir, are worse than Hitler!” (I notice a similarity to Keith Olbermann in that rhetoric). Hitler and fascism comparisons should be saved for those who wish to extinguish groups of people, not those who have a sincere disagreement with you on what constitutes a life.

    GC said: “unborn fetuses are only fetuses, they are not humans. They have more in common with tapeworms than homo sapiens.”

    I am interested in hearing an explanation as to how unborn fetuses have more in common with tapeworms than homo sapiens. I am familiar with tape worms, but I don’t see the comparison. Also, is there a time in the gestation period that the fetus becomes human?

  40. jsm says:

    “We are pro-choice…pro-freedom. We do not want to tell a woman what they can or can not do with their body.”

    Fine. She can go blow her brains out or hang herself if she likes. How many are “choosing” to do that? And do the “pro-choice” folks think THAT is okay?

    “…unborn fetuses are only fetuses, they are not humans. They have more in common with tapeworms than homo sapiens.

    GC, You’re full of crap. Determining exactly when human life begins is difficult, but let’s start with a statistic. In 2000, the CDC reported that 77% of abortions happen at 6 weeks gestation or later. I have no doubt that human life exists in the unborn baby at this point. Why? Because even at the earliest stages, as a small, growing collection of cells, an unborn baby is in a constantly improving state as it approaches the ability to function outside the womb, which is often possible weeks before the date of birth. How is this comparable to a “tapeworm?” How do we have babies born three months premature, weighing 2 pounds, that live long, productive lives? These premature babies are not sub-human. They often require urgent medical attention to survive, but they are still people – human lives born with the ability to think and grow and sense things just like you and I. Is there some magical point that air touches them which suddenly makes them human? I think not.

    Unborn babies are lives that must be guaranteed their right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

  41. GOPeach says:

    Yellow- Thank yo for the kind words.

    You said: ” I would feel much better having a trained person to deliver the information to my child. I would also think that children would be more inclined to ask relevant questions to someone who is not their parent. ”

    Our society has become so fragmented. Moms working away from home, afterwork going to get fake nails, shopping for new clothes to impress the boss, getting highlights and a cut, shopping, shopping, shopping… spending money she does not really have trying to impress people ….

    Then there are Dads… ( maybe ) … working all day/night – Sometimes 2 jobs… OR sitting home surfing porn, watching sports, or at the golf course, fishing, etc…

    The kids – text-messaging, IMing, on the cell phone, on video games, surfing porn, getting fake nails and fake tans in the tanning beds –
    OR getting hair extensions… etc…

    FAMILIES ARE NOT TALKING!!!!
    Parents would rather a “trained person” do the job of teaching how to put a condom on a banana! My HUSBAND too my sons to have not
    one but several of THOSE talks… PARENTS are LOOSING their kids so fast… Want proof?

    Obama Girl! That says it all!

  42. GOPeach says:

    Part of me wants to just shut up and let the Democrats have “legal abortions’ and have “GAY Civil Unions” and in 20 years … NO MORE DEMOCRATS!!!

  43. shep1975 says:

    Here’s an interesting question…if you can ID a “gay” gene prior to birth in say, oh, the 12th week or earlier, do we see a rise in elective abortions for that reason and, also, as a consequence, do we see the gay rights movement swing to join the pro-life movement?

  44. GOPeach says:

    THIS IS AWESOME!

    The Pro-Life Alliance of Gays and Lesbians
    SHOULD carry the PRO-LIFE MOVEMENT!

    People who have families to feed and kids to educate are exhausted!

  45. BubbaRich says:

    I’m waiting for Dan Becker to oppose that horrible procedure that kills many, many human cells, and then washes the waste out of the human body. WHEN IS HE GOING TO STOP THE HORRIBLE PRACTICE OF USING MOUTHWASH?! DID JESUS USE MOUTHWASH!?

  46. jsm says:

    How stupid, Bubba. When any of those groups of cells begins to divide and improve toward being a self-supporting organism with its own life, you’ll have a meaningful point.

  47. GOPeach says:

    The woman would get neither – The doctors should have life in prison… being forced to medically treat the inmates for free! This would save the STATE from hiring doctors.

  48. bowersville says:

    “People who are in the pro-life movement believe that all life should be honored and protected…However, it is probably safe to say that if we learned of a place where children between the ages of 7-10 were being killed, then we would all rise up…”

    Not true GC, GRTL endorsed Nancy Schaefer for the Senate seat in District 50. Schaefer has very plainly stated that she supports a law requiring a jury trial to determine whether a child needs to be removed from a dangerous environment.

    We all read the AJC article today about the child porn predator being arrested here in Georgia after subjecting a girl from the age of 5 to 9 to all sorts of violent rape and filming it and selling it on the internet. 4 years of h*ll and Nancy Scheafer believes this young child needs to suffer another 18-24 months waiting on relief from a jury.

    Yet, the GRTL endorses Nancy.

  49. ConservativeCaucus says:

    bowersville,

    although I am not familiar with Sen. Schaefer’s opposition to the bill you are referring to and I do share your concern for children in dangerous situations, I was referring to the fact that pro-choice advocates and pro-life advocates largely disagree on when life begins.

    I was commenting on TWP’s charge that Becker is doing this because he has nothing better to do or b/c he wants to line his own pocket (which frankly that is ridiculous to consider – my guess is he doesn’t make a lot of money doing that). It is convenient to dismiss the motives of those you disagree with, but it is neither helpful nor wise. If TWP wants to think that GRTL is misguided or is placing more value on the fetus than is deserved, then fine, make that assessment. I disagree with that conclusion, but good people are on both side of that issue (I am sure that there are also bad people on both sides of that issue). I am sure that Becker is a decent man, to assert otherwise is, in my view, pointless and unproductive.

  50. bowersville says:

    ConservativeCausus, I probably should have expanded GC to Goldwater Conservative to make myself plain. My quote was from Goldwater C.

    I attended the Stephens county GOP forum where I plainly heard Nancy Schaefer make her position known about child protective custody and my report is witnessed by 100+ people listening under a pavilion during a downpour. If one of the one hundred witnesses wishes to counter my statement, I will still stand by the truth.

    If you are following the 50th Senate race, all candidates are Republican. None of them support abortion. There is no Democrat to face in November.

    My gripe is with GRTL endorsing Nancy.

  51. A Typical White Person says:

    CCaucus,

    First, I’m not a “lefty”. I simply have a cortex that I employ to use logic…unlike the “6-week old fetuses” JSM talks about getting aborted.

    2nd, your statement here smacks of WTF?: “This line of reasoning takes you down the road to euthanasia – that someone gets to determine what life is worth living.”

    In actuality, CCaucus, my line of thinking regarding guaranteeing a “quality of life” is the exact opposite from presuming that if someone’s life isn’t up to a standard, they can then be euthanized.

    YOU folks (i.e., illogical, emotional God-players of your own determination) are the ones who presume that every fetus is one that God wants to have brought into this world.

    You might recall that “God made man in His own image.” That means that my thoughts are as valid in this world as your thoughts, and NEITHER of us can presume to speak for, or on behalf of, God’s intentions for all of our lives.

    God granted me a brain and a functioning cortex…and He intended me to use it to argue against people like you who think they know what constitutes a viable life and what doesn’t.

    True conservatives use their logic, and ability to think rationally, not their religious beliefs to use as a crutch.

  52. GOPeach says:

    John-

    No, the woman did not perform the crime – the doctor did as he/she “TRESPASSED” according to the Hippocratic Oath.

    Hippocratic Oath

    I SWEAR in the presence of the Almighty and before my family, my teachers and my peers that according to my ability and judgment I will keep this Oath and Stipulation.

    TO RECKON all who have taught me this art equally dear to me as my parents and in the same spirit and dedication to impart a knowledge of the art of medicine to others. I will continue with diligence to keep abreast of advances in medicine. I will treat without exception all who seek my ministrations, so long as the treatment of others is not compromised thereby, and I will seek the counsel of particularly skilled physicians where indicated for the benefit of my patient.

    I WILL FOLLOW that method of treatment which according to my ability and judgment, I consider for the benefit of my patient and abstain from whatever is harmful or mischievous. I will neither prescribe nor administer a lethal dose of medicine to any patient even if asked nor counsel any such thing nor perform the utmost respect for every human life from fertilization to natural death and reject abortion that deliberately takes a unique human life.

    WITH PURITY, HOLINESS AND BENEFICENCE I will pass my life and practice my art. Except for the prudent correction of an imminent danger, I will neither treat any patient nor carry out any research on any human being without the valid informed consent of the subject or the appropriate legal protector thereof, understanding that research must have as its purpose the furtherance of the health of that individual. Into whatever patient setting I enter, I will go for the benefit of the sick and will abstain from every voluntary act of mischief or corruption and further from the seduction of any patient.

    WHATEVER IN CONNECTION with my professional practice or not in connection with it I may see or hear in the lives of my patients which ought not be spoken abroad, I will not divulge, reckoning that all such should be kept secret.

    WHILE I CONTINUE to keep this Oath unviolated may it be granted to me to enjoy life and the practice of the art and science of medicine with the blessing of the Almighty and respected by my peers and society, but should I trespass and violate this Oath, may the reverse by my lot.

  53. ConservativeCaucus says:

    TWP

    I apologize if I misunderstood your comments regarding quality of life. I have read and re-read your statement several times, and I still don’t see how you were arguing the opposite line of reasoning, but I will accept your statement as to the purpose of your remarks. I have just seen quality of life arguments lead to doctor-assisted suicide and euthanasia. Please accept my apology for misunderstanding you.

    However, I do take issue with, what seems like to me, a condescending attitude towards me (ex: “YOU folks [illogical, emotional God players]) and the presumption that you know where I come from or what I believe.

    1. I said that those of us who are pro-life BELIEVE that life begins at conception. I recognize that there is a difference of opinion on this subject (although there is plenty of scientific and medical evidence to back up this belief). I never claimed to KNOW when life begins. It is only logical that if you believe that life begins early in the pregnancy, then you should want to protect life. The overwhelming majority of people strongly believe that innocent life must always be protected. Perhaps you and I disagree on when life begins, but surely we can agree that innocent life must be protected.

    2. I did not mention God in any of my arguments for being pro-life. I know it may be easier for you to disregard my views on life because you think religious people are a bunch of whackos (I think that there are plenty of people, both relgious and non-religious who would fall into that category), but I had not mentioned religious beliefs as my foundation for being pro-life. If you were to ask me, “Do you know when life begins?” The answer is I don’t KNOW when life begins. The only ones who can say with certainty when life begins, whether that be at conception or the moment of birth or anywhere in between, do so as a matter of belief. The truth is, neither you nor I KNOW when life begins. Therefore, since I believe that life begins at conception, I would rather err on the side of caution. IF life does begin at conception, then we have done a horrible thing in our country for 35+ years. However, if life doesn’t begin at conception (or some time shortly thereafter), then it would be important to establish when life does begin. Wouldn’t you agree?

    3. I want to challenge your reasoning on the comment regarding being created in God’s image. You said:

    “You might recall that “God made man in His own image.” That means that my thoughts are as valid in this world as your thoughts, and NEITHER of us can presume to speak for, or on behalf of, God’s intentions for all of our lives.”

    First, let me again state that I have not claimed to speak for God. With that aside, I disagree with your claim that just because we are all created in God’s image that all of our thoughts are equally valid. It is true that we are all entitled to our own opinions, but it is illogical to assert that all thoughts are equally valid. There are people, created in God’s image, who believe that Elvis is still alive. To take a more extreme example, there are people, created in God’s image, who think Israel ought to be wiped off of the face of the earth. They are indeed entitled to their opinions, but I would submit that they are wrong.

    I have stated before and I will state again: good people disagree on this issue. Questioning earnest people’s motives or intelligence are not helpful in this discussion and don’t have a legitimate place in the debate.

  54. BubbaRich says:

    Peach:

    Did you modify that version of the Hippocratic Oath, Peach, or did you get it from somebody illiterate? That paragraph about abortion has been chopped up in a way that doesn’t make any sense. Do you really want a physician who swears an oath “[not to] perform the utmost respect for every human life from fertilization to natural death”?

    So tell the truth, Peach, did you mess that up or did you get it from an idiot? And what doctors swear to an oath like that one that doesn’t even have those errors in it? You do know that the Hippocratic Oath was to Apollo and other Greek Gods, right? And that hardly any medical schools use it anymore because it’s fraught with ethical peril itself?

  55. BubbaRich says:

    Peach:

    I hope you’d never see that version hanging on the wall in an American doctor’s office. And I’d hope you would read the sentence about abortion that you posted, and realize it doesn’t make any sense.

    There are lots of modern versions. I can’t find one like the one you posted, so I was hoping you could explain the paragraph about abortion that made no sense. It looks like some Catholic person from the Phillippines tried to write an English version while stressing the anti-abortion parts, and made an incomprehensible version.

  56. GOPeach says:

    Bubba Darlin,

    Haven’t you ever read something translated from an original language? It is not an INTERPRETATION it is not a TRANSLATION.

  57. Romegaguy says:

    well if it is not an interpretation and it is not a translation what the heck is it? Fabricated?

  58. BubbaRich says:

    I’ve read an enormous number of translations, and I’ve made a few of them myself. I don’t even know what you’re defending this one for, it just plain doesn’t make sense. The oath-maker swears that he will never “perform the utmost respect for every human life from fertilization to natural death[…]” Nor is it a good match to the classical version to the Greek Gods or any of the modern versions I can find, even if you correct that error. It’s even more nonsensical than the average GOPeach post.

  59. Bill Simon says:

    “Haven’t you ever read something translated from an original language? It is not an INTERPRETATION [but] a TRANSLATION.”

    And, YET, Peach believes that every word written in English in any Bible is EXACTLY the “Word of God” in the original text.

  60. GOPeach says:

    Okay Bubba –

    First of all… it may be a shock to you and the rest of readers on this blog… but a man can not MAKE A BABY! Only GOD can make a baby. All babies are made by God! All babies are “meant to be”. No baby is a “mistake”. If God gave a “girl” ovaries and a uterus with periods ( eggs) then… he must have intended them to be ABLE to produce. Why do you think a 14 year old ovulates? Now … this is a very very hard situation….. NO doubt!! I can not imagine the trauma this poor child is having to endure with the rape… it is really really bad. My heart goes out to her. Killing a baby does not make the rape go away.

  61. BubbaRich says:

    Why does god make so many babies in so many horrible places and situations? Does he get off on baby rapes and murders and starvation?

  62. Goldwater Conservative says:

    GOPeach is the prime example of why the christian right is growing in its unimportance.

    “God” gives nothing. Women have ovaries because that is how humans evolved.

    He!!, who is to say that we are even alive? It is a matter of perception. Your beliefs do not trump mine just because they may be more popular. Nazism was popular in Germany throughout the ’30s, but that did not make it right. Which version of christianity do you believe GOPeach? Because they are all a matter of relativity. Be more like Jesus, GOPeach…goes to temple on Saturdays and stop caring about how other people deal with their property.

  63. GOPeach says:

    Here is something to ponder –

    Most scholars believe that Mary gave birth to Jesus when she was between 14 & 15 years old. In that culture as in the early days of this country women were fully capable of having babies and raising them at a very young age. Granted – it may be tough…. but there are things worse than being low-income…

    I would say it is better to give life to a baby in poverty than to kill a baby in any economic situation… We must learn to love and help the poor… and keep the government’s nose out!

  64. BubbaRich says:

    I agree, Peach, if an angel tells you you are carrying the savior of the world, you might want to avoid an abortion. Although I’d expect the savior to beat any troubles like that.

    However, Jewish tradition indicates that such an abortion would have been legal and appropriate at any time before birth, if the health of the mother is at risk.

    Christian tradition held for most of its history that it wasn’t a person until the “quickening,” about halfway through the pregnancy.

    There are worse things than being low income. Giving birth to a new person when you are already low income is one really bad thing, as it takes your bad situation, makes it worse for you, and makes it even more difficult for the new person. Do you want to make NEW people to suffer, Peach?

  65. Goldwater Conservative says:

    This debate will never stop. Nobody will ever win it. One thing, however, is certain: neither religion nor religious texts can determine when life begins.
    Abortion is not murder…the state determines what is and what is not murder. You do not care what your “god” thinks and you obviously do not care what my “god(s)” think(s).

  66. Bill Simon says:

    Bubba,

    One thing I’ve discovered many years ago about Evangelicals is that they don’t really concern themselves with the concept of “people suffering.”

    They presume that their Lord WANTS every person, and every potential human, to be given the opportunity to “find Jesus” so they can be saved.

    And, “suffering” by “ordinary people” could never, in any way, EVER be equal to the suffering of the way their Lord suffered in the process he went through for death.

  67. Jace Walden says:

    Jesus tap-dancing Christ!

    I settled this issue AGES ago.

    But here we go again.

    (1) For all of you anti-abortion nuts, the world would have been a much better place if people like Hitler, Bin Laden, Stalin, and Michael Jackson had been ABORTED!!! But no, thanks to you guys, their mothers ended up giving birth. Thanks a**holes.

    (2) For all of you pro-abortion whackos. Get over it. If you make a bad decision, you live with your damn decision. If you have sex, it’s your choice. Period.

    SO…here is the compromise.

    Let’s all be:

    (1) Against abortion.
    but
    (2) Pro-Killing Babies

    No one gets aborted and we can kill of the future despots/terrorists before they mature.

    Cool?

    Thanks. End of discussion.

    For more info, click here:
    http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=regressive

  68. GOPeach says:

    Bill:

    I think you need to watch your mouth!!!!!!

    The VERY CANDIDATES who buy your tacky ID BUILDERS junk are EVANGELICALS and/or depend on the VOTE of such people to get elected. You just DO NOT know when to shut up, do you?

    Any CHRISTIAN running for office and any REPUBLICAN Party ( County or State) needs to cut you off… Maybe THAT will put the FEAR of GOD in ya!

    NOTE TO CANDIDATES:

    Buy your stuff from BRIAN LAURENS. At least he is a CHRISTIAN -EVANGELICAL. ( so I am told by a very reliable source).

  69. Bill Simon says:

    NO, Peach. You just don’t get it.

    While those of YOU and the GRTL crowd clamor for every pregnancy to come to term, you care NOTHING about the life that entity lives after they are born.

    The majority (95%+) of the right-wing evangelical community gives nothing but lip service to the concept of “helping” people who are ill and ridden with disease, some of whom were that was IN the womb.

    That part of the evangelical community is all about government making laws that require every pregnancy to come to term, but are all about cutting-off financial aid/welfare/social security payments, et al. to those people and their kids, all in the name of “it’s YOUR responsibility on how they are raised…we just want them to have ‘life’…and, if that life is nothing but suffering, well, that’s just God’s way and who are we to question?”

  70. GOPeach says:

    Hummmm, Bill –

    I am sitting here thinking how GOD managed to take care of all the babies before the American welfare system. How did HE manage to provide for the poor and the sick?

    I tell you HOW HE provided – it was through neighbors, family, and THE CHURCH!!!!!

    You say Evangelicals care nothing about the POOR and SICK … Are you SERIOUS???? Surely you jest!

    What about…

    Elizabeth Inn
    Must Ministries
    Safehouse Outreach
    GA Baptist Hospital
    Samaritans Purse
    Mercy Ships
    Worldwide Water
    The Salvation Army
    LESEA International
    Christian Relief Services
    Christian Children’s Fund
    Vision International
    Heal the Nations

    etc… etc… etc….

    Honestly, Bill you sound just exactly like a DEMOCRAT… forget the CHURCH – let the Government be your Church and take care of you! NOT!

  71. Bill Simon says:

    As I said, Peach, 95% of them DON’T by way of their insistence that once the entity exits the womb, they don’t frankly care. What you list comprises of part of the 5% that do.

    No, I’m not a Democrat…what I am is someone MORE consistent on the whole matter than people like you.

    The decision to have a child, or abort that pregnancy before the quickening (i.e., at a limit of approximately 3 months) should be the sole decision of the mother carrying the fetus, and NO ONE ELSE’S unless they are willing to take care of that person should they be brought all the way to term.

  72. GOPeach says:

    Bill –

    Your percentages are completely fabricated and sound like you got them off a Margaret Sanger – founder of Planned Parenthood Web-site …..

    Margaret Sanger is THE ONE who inspired Adolf Hitler in his views of eugenics and “murdering socially undesirable people.”

    Margaret Sanger, through Planned Parenthood, advocated abortions on Afro-Americans in order to eliminate what she called “socially undesirable people” .

    Be careful, Bill – you are treading on razor thin ice when you bash CHRISTIANS on their stand for the unborn. You are stepping into some muddy waters… History does repeat itself and now is no time to be in agreement with Barack Husein Obama! He is not exactly a “nice Jewish boy” now is he?

    You share company with this:
    http://www.acts1711.com/sanger.htm

  73. GOPeach says:

    And furthermore, Bill, you have set yourself against the National Republican Pro-Life Platform.

    You have spent time and effort slandering Christians on several occasions on this blog and others.

    You have spent great time and effort trying to destroy the reputations of Christians in the Cobb GOP and good Christian candidates and elected officials.

    You are clearly and enemy to Christians and I mark you as such here and now.

  74. Chris says:

    For once Jace and I agree.

    Abortion should be legal up to the 33rd trimester. Bill Cosby was right when he said “Kid, I brought you into this world, I can take you out of it”.

  75. GOPeach says:

    Bill (Margaret Sanger) Simon is an enemy to the National Republican Pro-Life Platform and an enemy to all PRO-LIFE CHRISTIAN Candidates and Party Leaders.

    Anyone who thinks otherwise is a damn fool.

    NOTE to GOP Candidates & Party Leaders:
    If you have ID Builders AKA Bill (Margaret Sanger) Simon on your, expenditures, you are supporting someone who is out to undermine your purposes and I suggest you not just walk away from this clown … but run like hell!

  76. Bill Simon says:

    GOPeach,

    Those “Christians in the Cobb GOP” proved themselves to be nothing but a bunch of LIARS!

    Those people aren’t “Christians” in ANY way, shape or form. They are pathological liars, and they are liars who WILL NOT get elected to office EVER.

  77. GOPeach says:

    Bill (Margaret Sanger) Simon –

    Liars? Pathological liars?
    Well it must take one to know one……
    CUZ YOU SHO IS ONE YO SELF!

    You call shit like this the truth?

    “95% of them DON’T by way of their insistence that once the entity exits the womb, they don’t frankly care. What you list comprises of part of the 5% that do.”

    You are OUT OF TOUCH with the GOP …. Puhl eeeeeze KNOW IT! …. I think they pretend to like you so you will not trash them on your little blog — what is the name of it again??? Oh whatever.

    And…. as far as the PRO- LIFE issue goes…
    You do NOT have a dog in this fight and I suggest you pick and choose your battles…

    Sick with what you know about … NOTHING!

  78. GOPeach says:

    Now I know why you HATE CHRISTIANS and unborn BABIES… You are a RINO – Communist!

    THAT explains it ALL! You are being sniffed out like a dirty rat.

  79. rugby fan says:

    “Now I know why you HATE CHRISTIANS and unborn BABIES… You are a RINO – Communist!

    THAT explains it ALL! You are being sniffed out like a dirty rat.”

    Has Peach Pundit turned into an HUAC hearing?

    Peach: the 1950s were an excellent decade to be sure, but you are almost 60 years behind the times with your allegations.

  80. shep1975 says:

    Ummm, I’m a Christian and in the Cobb GOP and Bill Simon has never tried to destroy me…in fact, I consider Bill a close friend. We just don’t talk abortion when we’re together.

  81. Icarus says:

    “We just don’t talk abortion when we’re together.”

    Still arguing over who’s going to pay for it when you’re not sure who the father is?

  82. BubbaRich says:

    Hey Peach!

    I knew I’d get you started eventually. Why did Hitler and the Nazis burn Sanger’s books among the first of all? You can trust me that, if I burn your book, I’m not doing it to express admiration.

    But what do I know. I’m in France right now. This is a whole country of people who aren’t even Christian–THEY’RE CATHOLIC! And they have abortions at a slightly higher rate than Georgia. They must be against good sex education, too.

  83. A Typical White Person says:

    “Now I know why you HATE CHRISTIANS and unborn BABIES… You are a RINO – Communist!

    THAT explains it ALL! You are being sniffed out like a dirty rat.”

    The only thing “explained” by Mr. Simon is that he is very careful who he associates with, and makes sure that the rest of us know exactly who to stay away from.

    He has saved me from wasting time and money giving to politicians that he can recognize from farther off than anyone I know as to who is a Certified Whackjob and who is not.

    And, yes, there IS a “Certificate of Designated Whackjobs.”

  84. BubbaRich says:

    It’s a good thing I don’t know what Peach looks like, cuz I’d be picturing her sniffing out dirty rats. There’s no telling what images I’d get stuck with from that.

  85. Goldwater Conservative says:

    Who in this forum has read everything posted above?

    Now you can see why the evangelical right has lost its importance and will continue to do so.

  86. shep1975 says:

    Unfortunately GC, the evangelical right is still the bedrock of the GOP and form a much larger GOP voting block than the libertarians wing. You saw this in the in the fact that the underfunded Huckabee won the states with high Evanglical voter bases while the better funded Ron Paul could not win a single primary victory.

    Pew does a decent job breaking down the results of 2006 elections over a number of different group voting patterns.

    http://pewresearch.org/pubs/93/election-06-big-changes-in-some-key-groups

    There is a “God Gap,” but it also runs both ways. Democrats tend to get the “heathen” vote overwhelmingly. (politically correct disclaimer…I say “heathen” in a tongue and cheek manner)

  87. GOPeach says:

    Icarus –

    That is hysterical! Hahahahahahaha

    Honestly … Bill Simon has no dog in this fight –
    Can you just imagine him getting someone pregnant???? I know … me either… impossible!
    I question his sperm count.

  88. GOPeach says:

    Bubba – Margaret Sanger was CATHOLIC!

    Now MY POINT IS THIS ….

    If the CATHOLIC CHURCH condones ABORTION… then they will have to answer to GOD.

    As a TAX PAYER, I do not want MY HARD EARNED MONEY to be used to MURDER BABIES… Planned Parenthood Earmarked Spending….

    If BILL MARGARET SANGER SIMON supports abortions LET HIM PAY FOR THEM!!!!! He has so much COMPASSION … Let him pay off the doctors to mutilate “fetuses”.

    If you are PRO- ABORTION … THEN PONY UP BOYS! Shell out the money. Stan at the street corners taking public donations for ” the mistakes” you made. Stand at the Abortion Mill and Write Checks!!! Just keep your bloody hands out of MY POCKET! I want my tax money going to defend citizens and fight crime – (as spelled out in the Constitution).

    I do my share of charity work and contributions to support unwed mothers. I have given nearly 40 years of my life to this cause.

    If any of you want ABORTIONS … then PAY FOR THEM out of YOUR CHECK – NOT mine!

  89. shep1975 says:

    GOPeach:

    Concerning your rhetoric regarding Bill Simon, let me bring your attention to Matthew 15:16 -21.

    16″Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. 17″Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man ‘unclean.’ 19For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20These are what make a man ‘unclean’; but eating with unwashed hands does not make him ‘unclean.’ “

  90. Goldwater Conservative says:

    Shep,

    Well, the moderate secular republican is by far the most popular then isn’t it. Afterall, McCain won the primary. Paul was a fringe candidate and a lunatic and Huckabee was just an underdog putting up a good fight.

    The point that a lot of GOP candidates and partisans do not seem to get is that while 20-30% of Republicans identify themselves as born-again or religious people does not mean that they vote republican on religious issues. The group of people that specifically vote republican because of those 2 or 3 issues make up less than 10 % of GOPers and only about 4 percent of the population.

    There is no heathen vote. I do not believe in god and I typically split my ticket in some form or fashion…because I care about my money. I do not want to spend it on a bunch of republicans that are going to put the government in my bedroom or on a feudal police action in the middle east…but I also do not want those few democrats that want to take cigarettes out of my pocket either.

    Abortion is such a stupid issue. It does not hurt you if my wife has one. What should you care? Stay out of my business you big government republicans.

    This is a debate that has no end. Whatever your religious beliefs, they do not apply. This is a nation founded on ethical theory. NOT your religion or anybody else’s religion. It is non-religious.

  91. GOPeach says:

    Shep – Are you Bill’s bitch now?

    Let me bring your attention to 2 Cor. 2:14.

    ” Stop forming inappropriate relationships with
    unbelievers. Can right and wrong be partners? Can light have anything in common with darkness? ”

    If you are a Christian, Shep – I suggest you get the hell away from that reprobate.

    Look… let him sell that sh*t and take the money to pay to murder the little blobs of tissue at the abortion mill. Such compassion he has for the suffering…

    MOTHER THERESA had COMPASSION for the suffering!!! She did NOT see abortion as an expression of CHRIST!

  92. A Typical White Person says:

    STOP making the government put on displays of Christmas and Easter. That’s MY tax money being used to promote other people’s religion and religious practices.

  93. Bill Simon says:

    Peach,

    You write as though _I_ am the abortionist. I am NOT.

    There are PLENTY of other problems in this world other than abortions.

    YOU ARE SUCH A WHACK-JOB, it is utterly useless to spend ONE more moment corresponding with the likes of you.

  94. ConservativeCaucus says:

    wow. This has gotten out of hand. Peach, you are not doing yourself any favors, nor any good to causes you hold dear.

    Like shep, I recommend that you consider having the same attitude that is reflected in the New Testament regarding dealing with those you disagree with. Yelling and name calling does not do a lot to persuade.

  95. GOPeach says:

    Conservative Caucus-

    As long as PRO-LIFE Christians keep their mouth shut with a big piece of RED TAPE over it that says “LIFE”… and stand outside of abortion mills and judicial buildings like this:
    http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1148/1241948741_3d70690df5.jpg?v=0

    …. then NOTHING EVER gets done! I have fought this fight for over 40 years and I am not going to get bullied around and expected to shut the hell up and just pray and be nice and quiet!!!

    Prayer is not working … is it???
    So I figure maybe, just maybe if I raise hell … something besides… ” You people are loosing this fight” will happen!

    I am so damn tired of making this a MORAL Churchy Issue… It is a FISCAL ISSUE!!!! I am so damn tired of making this a “CHRISTIAN” Issue – It is ALL ABOUT MONEY – HONEY!!!!

    It is about TAXES being spent to DESTROY what liberals call blobs of tissue & conservatives call BABIES . I am mad as hell and I am not taking it any more!!!!!

    I can quote the Bible and be sweet but THAT is NOT winning this war is it??? Because nobody really give a sh*t about the Bible anymore. It is all about the Rule of Law and Money.

    Well – let’s fight fire with fire. I’m game!

  96. shep1975 says:

    Peach, guerrilla tactics are fine for warfare, but abortion is as much of a political issue as a human rights issue. After all, where else are the rights of mankind debated and set if not in the body politic?

    Therefore, you’re goal is to try to win converts, not eliminate the enemy.

    When you attack, you cause the other side to dig in and attack back, causing a strengthening of resolve. It also turns away the masses who want to avoid the fight, those who say, “I would never support abortion, but why should I care if someone else wants the right?”

    In other words, being mad as Hell is useless, and even worse, destructive to your cause, if you turn the majority away. I feel the same way about people who hold up pictures of aborted babies. As you turn people away, you lose your support in the political body, lengthening your battle and making winning the argument more difficult.

    While this is true of all issues that are debated, in your case, being “mad as Hell” means that your tactics are resulting in more deaths. Your actions are having the opposite affect.

    Dictator of the Roman Republic Quintus Fabius Maximus utilized a military tactic that would not engage in direct battle with Hannibal’s army, but engaged in a war of attrition, attacking supply lines and foraging parties.

    The strategy takes much longer, but as you can wear down your opponent’s support, you eventually get to the point where you find out you have won.

    Instead of attacking Bill Simon (or me as a customer of Bill’s company which I would proudly recommend to anyone), what are those tax issues? Why, outside the Biblical justifications, because you have to also win the people that believe the Bible is simply a nice set of stories, should abortion be illegal?

    How do you think the liberals got American from the point in 1993 where we were horrified at the prospect of a government takeover of healthcare to the American people clamoring for it? It’s been a 15 year battle, but they are now winning that argument.

    I would hate to think that after 40 years of working at something that I’ve moved my cause backwards two steps for every one step I took it forward.

    If you have to show a body photo, show this one: http://www.snopes.com/photos/medical/thehand.asp (snopes link is to insure accurate description).

    Now, tell me how abortion is better for me financially than supporting another welfare baby.

  97. shep1975 says:

    And Peach,

    2 Cor. 2:14 is: “But thanks be to God, who always leads us in triumphal procession in Christ and through us spreads everywhere the fragrance of the knowledge of him.”

    I think you meant 2 Cor. 6:14. The Greek word that is used here, heterozugeom does not translate into “inappropriate relationships” but is a very rare word in biblical literature. It is found only here in all of the New Covenant writings, and is found only once in all of the Old Covenant writings (Lev. 19:19). It means to be “yoked unequally” with another.

    Bill Simon and I are not yoked together. While yoked has traditionally been translated into meaning “marriage,” it can also simply mean being in a relationship where we are under the influence, power of control of another. It doesn’t mean you withdraw from all associations with non-believers.

    Remember Peachy, even the heathens are nice to people who are nice to them.

  98. GOPeach says:

    Shep-

    Look – I NEVER said “marriage.” Funny that crossed your mind. And yes, I agree with you. Bill Simon is a heathen.

    You can associate with “unbelievers” ( aka heathens ) but you better be careful about protecting and defending someone on a blog that has publicly bashed CHRISTIANS countless times. You are yoked up with someone who is a public enemy to Christ. He mocks and ridicules. He is one step away from being reported by the Anti-Defamation League.

    You must be getting a really good deal from ID Builders – or Campaign Edge. …

    Anyone who is an enemy to Christ and calls Christians names in public – IN NO FRIEND to other CHRISTIANS!!!

    Just imagine for one minute that you or I bashed Jews and called them names like Bill Simon attacks CHRISTIANS????

    I am sick and tired of taking this sh*t from him. Oh and just so you know – my ( Messianic ) Jewish husband read what Bill Simon wrote about Evangelicals and he was embarrassed that this guy calls himself a Jew and spews such hatred like he does.

    Most Jews know better than that!

  99. shep1975 says:

    Peach, if we are to be known by our fruits, then you are no Christian. Christ railed against those who would stand on the street corner praying so all could see them. He said they already had their award.

    Bill complains and rails against those he believes to be the same type of so called “Christians,” those who make it a point to stand in the streets praying so everyone can see just how Christian they are. I don’t always agree with all of his assessments, but I’m not standing in his shoes.

    He has never attacked Christ.

    Bill makes no claims on faith and religion. His parents were Jewish so he is Jewish by default. I joke with him that I find it funny that I can speak more Yiddish than he can.

    I have tried to instruct you in where you are continuing in a sinful manner. Others have said the same to you. I have done my Biblical duty. I believe it’s now time for you to be expelled from Peach Pundit again.

  100. A Typical White Person says:

    Peach claims that her “tax money” is being used to fund Planned Parenthood and the abortions performed.

    The GOP had controlled the purse strings of the federal budget for 6 years.

    WHERE in the federal budget has President George Bush SIGNED ANY BILL that authorizes tax dollars being paid to abortion clinics?

    Where is it, Peach? SHOW US. How much money has your Republican, Conservative Christian President Bush authorized to be spent in abortion clinics?

  101. GOPeach says:

    Shep – I am instructing you to be HOT or COLD!
    You are LUKE WARM! Forget the Yiddish business and the cute little chit chat! Bill Simon has duped you to think he is the ultimate judge of Christians! So what if they pray in public????
    So what if they stand on the street corner???
    You sound like you agree with him!!!!!

    You belong to the church of Laodicea!!!!
    Revelation 3:
    14″To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:
    These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation. 15I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. 17You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. 18I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see. 19Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and repent. 20Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me. 21To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne. 22He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”

    Now if BILL SIMON says there is NO GOD – he is a FOOL – Psalm 14:1 “The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God.'”

    Birds of a feather, Shep. Selah!

  102. A Typical White Person says:

    Why doesn’t PeachPundit.com just re-brand itself to be “PeachPulpit” and let GOPeach decide how things are to be?

  103. GOPeach says:

    Typical White –

    Oh … I’ll show you… thought you’d NEVER ask!

    First of all – Obama voted for partial birth abortion!

    Planned Parenthood has been given government grants of nearly $1.5 billion. To put it in perspective, government grants last year to PP totaled more than the money allocated to Homeland Security for inspecting the cargo of foreign ships coming to America. They totaled more than the money allocated for protecting Americans from computer hackers and cyber-terrorists. They totaled more than the amount allocated for planning exercises for medical-emergency surge capabilities.

    Read more here:
    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48455

    and here:
    http://www.coalitionforlife.com/index.cfm?load=page&page=168&category=4

  104. A Typical White Person says:

    Peach,

    Do you believe Bill Simon is working either directly for Planned Parenthood OR he works for the government entities who grant Planned Parenthood these grants? Do you believe he has ANY control over what Planned Parenthood does?

  105. Bill Simon says:

    Jason,

    I appreciate your comments and attempts at defending me and my existence.

    However, with a f*cking moron like GOPeach, you have no way to convince her as she is, literally, insane.

    And, to any SANE person reading this thread, know this about me: I don’t “hate Christians.”

    I hate people who arrogantly DECLARE themselves “Christian” but do not act as one. Peach is one of those types of people.

    She can quote Biblical excerpts all day, but that doesn’t make her a religious Christian. By her very words on this blog, she demonstrates how non-Christian she is, AND how utterly insane of a person she is.

  106. GOPeach says:

    Jason:

    If you read this thread you will see where Bill Simon started bashing Evangelicals. Not ONE PERSON spoke up and DEFENDED the CHRISTIANS he was bashing! He LIED about percentages … Like he knows EVERY thing! I am the ONLY one standing up for CHRISTIANS on this THREAD!…. You aligned yourself with Bill Margaret Sanger Simon …

    Bill calls me insane-
    Well this insane Lady KNOWS JESUS CHRIST!

    Bill – the FOOL ( because he believes in NO GOD)
    is going to HELL unless he REPENTS!!!

    You can hate my guts! I do not care!
    One day you will see.

  107. jsm says:

    Peach, the Bible clearly states that a fountain cannot spew both sweet and bitter water. You can’t post Bible verses while also posting offensive language and expect to have any credibility. Not that you had any before this thread started, but still… If your posts were all people knew about being a Christian, nobody would want to be one.

  108. GOPeach says:

    jsm –

    I think it is high time CHRISTIANS get tough and stop speaking ” Christianese”. I like the way JESUS turned over the money changers and the way he REBUKED people who were “religious”.

    Making nice and apologizing every 2 minutes is getting US NO WHERE FAST!!! Look at who is running for president for crying out loud!!!!

    I hear what you are saying but if you are jumping on my colorful metaphors … Jesus is not biting his fingernails because I a cusin. He knows I am PASSIONATE about HIM and LOVE HIM with ALL of my heart. He love me too, And he understands me.

    I hardly think ANYONE is going to turn away from Christ because of me raising hell on Peach Pundit… If THAT were the case … then our GOSPEL would be weak, wouldn’t it!!!!

    I think it’s kinda cool for CHRISTIANS to cus these days… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T28Uu2bNJ70

  109. BubbaRich says:

    I’ll agree with that, CF.

    And to confirm my insanity, I’ll just point out to Peach that Mother Teresa got SOMETHING out of the suffering of people, but the evidence says it was more likely her jollies. She used a cilice, as did her order. Of course, much of Opus Dei (probably including parts of the Supreme Court of the US) uses that, too. Their god apparently likes sadomasochism. It was hard for me to learn some of the…shortcomings of Mother Teresa’s work, since I had always held her up as an icon.

  110. ConservativeCaucus says:

    There is a difference between being a push over, apologizing all the time and showing personal respect.

    Just because one is passionate about a cause or passionate about God does not mean that they further their cause. There is plenty of activism today which is counter-productive.

    Peach, I do not doubt your passion, but I don’t think your previous methodology is helpful.

    It is possible to make strong intellectual arguments for positions you advocate, but resorting to name calling ends any chance of debate.

    You said:
    “I hardly think ANYONE is going to turn away from Christ because of me raising hell on Peach Pundit… If THAT were the case … then our GOSPEL would be weak, wouldn’t it”

    The problem is not the strength of the Gospel, but rather people who claim the Gospel has made a difference in their life need to reflect that change as they interact with those they disagree with. The reason Jesus turned over the money changers is because they were deceiving in the name of God, not because they disagreed with him. I urge you to reconsider your approach.

  111. GOPeach says:

    Jason –

    You wanted me to give my argument –
    ABORTION vs. WELFARE BABIES.. I have!!!

    I have said many times……

    50 million ABORTIONS = 50 million ILLEGALS
    The Welfare money is going to non-Citizens.

    It is THAT simple.

    Somebody has to WORK in this COUNTRY.

  112. BubbaRich says:

    You’ve convinced me, Peach, your God wants poor people to have more babies.

    ZYGOTES ARE PEOPLE TOO!!! AS LONG AS THEY SPEAK AMERICAN!!!!

    Or you could stop opposing real sex education in schools, since that also reduces unwanted pregnancies. I know Catholics are against even condoms, though, because SPERMS ARE PEOPLE TOO! But surely you’re not against condoms and sex education–you don’t think sex education is a worse sin than the murder you see abortion as, right?

    (good grief, this French keyboard is hard to type on)

  113. jsm says:

    “Or you could stop opposing real sex education in schools, since that also reduces unwanted pregnancies.”

    I’d like to see some data to backup this assertion about the affects of sex ed.

  114. GOPeach says:

    Howard –

    It looks like this Butterworth guy is a good man. I am sure he deserves the GRTL endorsement – HOWEVER …. GRTL is a PAC and if there is a PRO-LIFE incumbent … they do not endorse their opponent. You see, this guy is running against Nancy Schaffer who has already built strong relationships a the capital and already knows “the job”.

    Look… it takes years to learn how to be a legislator. Young folks do not understand. You can not learn everything in 40 days ( one session) or 80 days ( 2 sessions) . It takes several terms to understand the people and the WAY things get done under the GOLD DOME.

    Butterworth did the right thing by posting this on his web-site . Now at least the voters can see it. Information is good. Just don’t make a big stink about it.. People will see you like a cry-baby.

  115. BubbaRich says:

    That’s a fun bit of propaganda. The Pope’s gonna be mad, though, since those unbaptized “babies” are actually burning in hell.

    It did use the typical anti-abortion propaganda tool, trying to say that a 40-week fetus is somehow related to the abortion of a zygote. Keep telling lies like that, and you’ll have an occasional victory, but make a lot more enemies when people realize the truth.

    It’s not a baby before it has a brain. It’s not a person. None of what he goes on about in that movie applies to most aborted fetuses. But keep going on, because you’re mouth and movies like that help create a lot more actual human beings to suffer unwanted in this world. I personally think that’s immoral, but you seem determined.

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