Our Partisian Bickering

Isn’t so bad when put into the perspective of some other places:

The men who pulled up in three white pickup trucks were looking for Patson Chipiro, head of the Zimbabwean opposition party in Mhondoro district. His wife, Dadirai, told them he was in Harare but would be back later in the day, and the men departed.

An hour later they were back. They grabbed Dadirai Chipiro and chopped off one of her hands and both her feet. Then they threw her into her hut, locked the door and threw a petrol bomb through the window.

About 70 local supporters of the Movement for Democratic Change supporters gathered Wednesday in Patson Chipiro’s small yard in Mhondoro to protect him.

Inside the hut where his wife of 29 years died, women sang softly to a subdued drum beat next to the cheap wooden coffin. The thatched roof had been destroyed in the fire so they sat under the open sky. The lid could not be closed because Dadirai Chipiro’s outstretched arm had burnt rigid. Her charred hand was found as women swept the hut.(Source)

24 comments

  1. Doug Deal says:

    Chris,

    Have you ever seen the level of vitriol of the whacked out far-left, even against members of their own side of the political spectrum? I do not think that we are as far away from such a state as we would like to think.

  2. Jas says:

    Our country’s lack of action in helping foster democracy and peace in Africa is down right pathetic. Zimbabwe, Sudan, Congo, the list could go on. Flat out embarrassing

  3. Chris says:

    Doug:

    Have you ever seen the level of vitriol of the whacked out far-right, even against members of their own side of the political spectrum?

    Even still – there is a large middle majority in this country that will not tolerate that kind of crap. Look at how far the pro-life movement was set back by the nut-jobs who bombed abortion clinics. Most pro-lifers I know won’t go near a pro-life event because they believe that they’d end up hanging out with clinic bombers – or those who support that action.

  4. Chris says:

    Jas:

    Our government’s actions in helping foster democracy and peace in Iraq are down right pathetic too.

    Just because we can do something doesn’t mean we should – or that it will work.

  5. Doug Deal says:

    Chris,

    You know the American Revolution was carried out by a minority of the population. Don’t underestimate the power of apathy.

    I also agree with you that there is a segment of the whacked out right that is way off it’s collective rocker, but it’s closeness to the mainstream is no where close to those on the left. The right at leasts attempts to self police, whereas the left is way too tolerant of eco-terrorism and such.

    Read the Democratic Underground sometime, or even Daily KOS and compare the level of dialog to Redstate or Free Republic. The lefty fringe has far greater penetration into the ranks of the partisan activists than the righty fringe.

  6. rugby fan says:

    The righty fringe like Hugh Hewitt or Michelle Malkin?

    Statements like “the level of vitriol of the whacked out far-left, even against members of their own side of the political spectrum? I do not think that we are as far away from such a state as we would like to think” are on the same level of hysteria you are trying to rally against.

    But if you are so partisan you can’t recognize that then there is no sense debating you.

  7. SpaceyG says:

    If I find missing body parts lying around the house while vacuuming today I’ll tell the police I suspect anonymous front pagers at Peach Pundit.

  8. Doug Deal says:

    rugby,

    you said:

    But if you are so partisan you can’t recognize that then there is no sense debating you.

    Yeah, that’s exactly what I was going to say about you, thanks for helping me out there.

    Have you ever listened to Air America? Read DU? Read Daily KOS? Nothing that I have ever heard MM or HH say (which is not a lot because I hate partisan automatons) comes close to what those whack jobs can muster.

    You are an idealogue and you circle the wagons around people who share you political views. I actually attack the left and right (just review my comments about Saxby’s youtube message). But, it is clear that the left is far far more dangerous than the right, and the left is also far more crazy and emotionally invested on average than the average person on the right.

  9. Doug Deal says:

    Spacey,

    Does that also include yourself ;-)? Maybe you should actually plead the fifth.

    But really, if anything happens involving body parts burning up, I would suspect Icarusian involvement.

  10. rugby fan says:

    If you can’t provide specific examples other than “Read DU” then you have no proof and you are simply spouting off rhetoric.

    Does the left have its share of loons, you bet. Does the right? Probably just as many and more. And if you think the left is more dangerous than the right, I wasn’t aware of any left wing groups bombing abortion clinics or forming militias as a result of their paranoia of the government.

    And thanks for labeling me as an ideologue that is a first.

  11. A Typical White Person says:

    I don’t think Michelle Malkin would be up for violence. There is a difference between those people who write about violent acts and those who carry them out. Rarely are those that write about things in a “violent tone” that actually end-up carrying-out the act.

  12. A Typical White Person says:

    On thge other hand, when it comes to Left vs. Right idealogues, one needs only to point out Joe Stalin, Adoph Hitler, Mussolini, Saddam Huseein (ALL Left-Wing idealogues) to disprove any nonsense claim by the Left on which faction possess the most in terms of sheer numbers of people willing to carryout acts of violence against their own people to further their cause.

  13. rugby fan says:

    “We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity”

    But the left is more dangerous of course.

  14. Icarus says:

    Doug,

    Why would I use Spacey’s house to hide the body parts of those who offend me when I know so many wide open places in West Cobb?

  15. Doug Deal says:

    rugby,

    I love how you left off the attribution and source of that quote.

    But hopeless ideologues like you care very little about context and only about painting people with which you disagree with a very broad brush (and the only true disagreement is that they have an R instead of a D next to their name).

    For those of you who don’t know, that quote came from Ann Coulter. When did she say that? September 13, 2001. Let’s see what happened 2 days before. Oh yeah, Muslim terrorists flew 3 planes into buildings with the intent of killing innocent civilians, and forced a 4th to crash into a field in PA.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/coulter/coulter.shtml

    Forget the fact that very few on the right take Coulter seriously. Pretend that she is the darling of the right. Still, she is proposing our response to an act of war committed against us in an unprovoked manor. Rugby is equating her suggested military response, penned hours after her friend was murdered to just wanting harm to be visited upon people who simply have a different view of public assistance or tax policy.

    You are so caught up in partisanship it is laughable.

  16. Doug Deal says:

    Ericks infernal spam blocker stopped my response to rugby, so here it is without the link to the story:

    rugby,

    I love how you left off the attribution and source of that quote.

    But hopeless ideologues like you care very little about context and only about painting people with which you disagree with a very broad brush (and the only true disagreement is that they have an R instead of a D next to their name).

    For those of you who don’t know, that quote came from Ann Coulter. When did she say that? September 13, 2001. Let’s see what happened 2 days before. Oh yeah, Muslim terrorists flew 3 planes into buildings with the intent of killing innocent civilians, and forced a 4th to crash into a field in PA.

    Forget the fact that very few on the right take Coulter seriously. Pretend that she is the darling of the right. Still, she is proposing our response to an act of war committed against us in an unprovoked manor. Rugby is equating her suggested military response, penned hours after her friend was murdered to just wanting harm to be visited upon people who simply have a different view of public assistance or tax policy.

    You are so caught up in partisanship it is laughable.

  17. nast says:

    ATWP said “one needs only to point out Joe Stalin, Adoph Hitler, Mussolini, Saddam Huseein (ALL Left-Wing idealogues) to disprove any nonsense claim by the Left…”

    Except for the fact that Nazism and Fascism are generally considered to be Right-Wing forms of government.

    The fact is that actual militant leftism pretty much died out in the 70’s in this country (shortly after Patty Hearst helped liberate the poor Symbionese).

  18. Doug Deal says:

    nast,

    You realize that Nazi is short for the German word for “National Socialism”. The reason is that it was socialist is that they believed in collectivism. There is no similarity between American right wing thought and European collectivist urges. The only way you could describe Nazi’s as right wing was in the context of them being opposed to communism.

  19. nast says:

    Doug,
    Yes, I do realize that it stands for National Socialists. However, to simply think “socialism” equals “left” is foolish. I think you would be hard pressed to find scholars (or even Germans) who consider the movement to be on the left side of the political spectrum.

    Also, I reference you to ATWP’s post. The comparison between “European collectivist urges” and American politics is his, not mine.

  20. Doug Deal says:

    nast,

    You did not read my post as closely as you could have. My point was that you cannot compare European “right” with the American “right”.

    The Nazi were definitely “right” in the European collectivist spectrum, but all politics in Europe would be squarely to the left of center of American politics.

    Even Kennedy would have a hard time getting elected in Britain or the continent with his whacky out of touch right wing politics using the Euro context of the word.

    Nazism is based on collectivism. American right wing thought is generally grounded in individualism. The left in this country are the collectivists.

    There is no similarity of substance between the American right wing and the European “far right” wing.

  21. CobbGOPer says:

    Trust me, our partisan bickering is nothing like Zimbabwe. Nobody here would try to throw the opposition presidential candidate out of a 10-story window (only one of three assasination attempts perpetrated on Morgan Tsvangirai, the oppo leader in Zimbabwe, who has also suffered numerous beatings at the hands of security forces loyal to Mugabe).

  22. CobbGOPer says:

    Zimbabwe is a mess because other African leaders, most importantly Thabo Mbeki of South Africa, refuse to criticize or take action against Mugabe’s government to attempt to force change. And it’s affecting Zimbabwe’s neighbors.

    I’m sure you’ve all heard about the xenophobic riots and killings that have occurred recently in South Africa. Many of the victims were illegal immigrants that escaped the turmoil in Zimbabwe, only to find Thabo Mbeki indifferent to their plight.

    Yes, the U.S. is doing little aside from advocating more sanctions on Zimbabwe to affect the situation. But their immediate neighbors can and must begin to critizice publicly the Mugabe regime and begin to isolate and punish the regime through local means and processes. Mugabe won’t listen to anyone else.

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