Georgia remains Red… if you believe the pollsters. From a May 14, 2008 Strategic Vision poll:
If the election for President were held today, whom would you support, John McCain, the Republican or Barack Obama, the Democrat? (McCain – 54%, Obama 40%)
John McCain 54% Barack Obama 40% Undecided 6%
But whoa there, Nellie. Let’s now look at voting data from Center For Responsive Politics and Georgia Secretary of State as presented by CL today:
Amount Sen. John McCain’s presidential campaign has raised in Georgia: $1,305,275
Amount Sen. Barack Obama’s presidential campaign has raised in Georgia: $2,458,219
Number of votes Obama received in 2008 Democratic Presidential Primary: 704,247
Number of votes McCain received in 2008 Georgia Republican Presidential Primary: 304,751
Number of votes Sen. John Kerry received in 2004 Georgia Democratic Presidential Primary: 293,265
Number of votes George W. Bush received in 2000 Georgia Republican Primary: 430,480
Painful as it is for ‘em, pollsters are, at some point real soon, going to have to stop deflecting “the cell phone issue” and come to terms with this new Obama demo: young and wired and fired. I’d venture to say many Obama kids don’t even have land lines, the primary data trove trolled by political pollsters.
I know Georgia is about a half century behind the rest of the nation, but can we get some youth-y data ’round this place for once?
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You and Bill are way out of line with using Hitler! It is an insult to the victims as well as outrageous manipulation of history.
John, Jace, & Indy – Part 3
For all of your points regarding all of the non-conservative bills passed by a GOP-controlled Congress, you are still forgetting one key duty of the next President of the United States: The appointment of 1-2 new judges on the US Supreme Court.
Now, you can whine all you want about the corruption thta has taken place during the 1990s under Dem control, and during the 2000s under GOP control, but…the ONLY thing standing in the way of a complete meltdown of our American way of life is that 98% of the constitional construct of this country is still held in place by the decisons of the 9 people sitting on the USSC.
If you honestly don’t care that Obama would offer Marxist-oriented judges that would likely get passed by a solidly Democrat-controlled Senate, then go piss away your vote on Bob Barr.
And, if you’re going to do that, you should reexamine why the hell it is you even bother participating in the election process when all you continue to vote for (on the Libertarian side) is losers.
Will McCain appoint judges to overrule legislation like McCain/Feingold, NCLB, McCain Immigration bill……
It takes a majority on the Court to find a law is unconstitutional, John. I’m not sure there has ever been a true conservative majority on the Court.
John,
Most folks forget that the Nazi’s were a POLITICAL party and, face it, the tactics, dirty tricks, smears, stonewalling, manipulation, and other aspects of ALL political parties really are not much different. Therefore the Nazi label can quite accurately be applied to any and all political parties.
The only difference in political parties are the excesses to which the worst ones in history have gone, generally fueled by socio-economic upheaval or war.
Given that the economic stresses are raging and soon to be unbearable by the immolation of the American middle class, one can see the way we are headed under the GOP, who have made 7 years of war their proving ground for all manner of attacks on Constitutional liberties.
Here in 2008 they wish to ‘swift-boat’ us, but that isn’t working too well, is it?
Bill Simon
Let me follow your logic. You want us to vote for McCain because he will appoint conservative judges to overrule his liberal bills?
John,
If you think you have a case to override a bill passed by Congress on the basis of the unconstitutionality of it, you should file a case.
If you just don’t like the bills passed by Congress, the USSC is not there to remedy your feelings about those bills made into law.
The McCain-Feingold bill has already been tested by a dominant liberal court, and its rules have been upheld. I don’t believe it was a 9-0 decision.
I want you to vote for McCain because he will have a stronger propensity to nominate conservative judges than liberal judges.
If you’re looking for some candidate to answer ALL of your problems, then you are a fool looking to be suckered…and Bob Barr is one guy who LOVES a sucker!
John,
You are insane. I am sorry, you go so far out on a limb looking for something to rail against, it has passed the point of sanity.
I said to disregard his politics. I pointed out how popular he seemed at the time, drawing huge crowds with untold charisma. On a “perception” level it is very similar to the results that he gets from his political rallies.
I am not talking about content; I am talking about appearances and results. Enthusiasm and numbers at political rallies mean nothing compared to votes.
For all of the enthusiasm he evoked, for all the crowds he gathered, he still lost badly to an infirmed opponent who barely campaigned.
However the strange world that goes on in your head is much more wondrous to behold that dealing with reality.
I swear to God, Republicans have to be the most whiny little bitches under the sun. McCain hasn’t even lost yet and they’re already busy whining about the next four years under President Obama.
They may whine, but I guess they’re not stupid. They see the writing on the wall, that McCain’s campaign is doomed. The GOP hopes of retaining the White House are doomed.
Well, maybe they are stupid. The GOP is the Titanic. It has hit an iceberg. And they’re content to use buckets to try throwing water out. That’s fine. It’s all yours.
But I’m going to get on a life boat.
Barr ’08!
Doug Deal
You and Bill Simon used the Hitler analogy to inflame your point bottom line.
Also Bill and you have very flawed logic! You trust McCain to appoint judges that will overrule his bills.
You also trust McCain to change his views in immigration while McCain is begging for votes at a La Raza conference.
Which of us are dealing in the real world?
McCain to attend La Raza’s annual conference?
The king of open borders!
HOTAIR-An election-year pander aimed at shoring up the Latino vote by grudgingly patronizing Open Borders HQ? Why, no: As the boss reminds us, Maverick and the group that charmingly describes itself as “The Race” are old friends with plenty of allies and enemies in common. Can he outdo Obama’s mega-pander from last year? If Kos is right about Texas being in play, the sky’s the limit!
Go read Michelle’s post on this, as needless to say McCain’s feet will have to be held to the fire on this subject regularly to keep him from indulging his natural, jerky pro-amnesty tendencies.
BTW I still like you guys.
WATCH
http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/mccain-to-attend-la-raza%e2%80%99s-annual-conference
I still like you guys too.
Konop says: “Also Bill and you have very flawed logic! You trust McCain to appoint judges that will overrule his bills.”
Doug Deal has it right about Konop: “John, You are insane.”
…”you go so far out on a limb looking for something to rail against, it has passed the point of sanity.
Bill and Doug
I said
“You trust McCain to appoint judges that will overrule his bills”
What part of this statement is false? Please do not tell me what you feel use logic and facts!
John,
It is a fallacious (and irrelevant) point to the subject matter.
John McCain won’t be “judging” judges based on how they feel about the laws he has voted for. He will be basing his decision more on how well the judicial candidate has applied the principles of “interpreting laws” as opposed to “making laws.
John,
Your constant flying off the handle and accusing people of things that they haven’t done has really grown tiersome. Wasn’t it you that accused Erick of altering the title of a post even though several people posted to correct you, you were able to see reality and come to the real real real super secret motives behind Erick’s conspiracies.
Stop accusing people of things they have not done in an inflamatory way and admit when you are wrong about such things once in a while, and you would go a long way in not being thought of as a loon.
I know what I meant, you know what I meant, that’s the end of it.
As for the Judges, it does not matter if they will strike down his laws, what matters is if they will be better than what would be appointed under Obama. Without a Senate to worry about, Obama as well as pretty much any national Democrat would appoint whatever far leftist they want. Or do you think Ginsberg and Breyer are the types of judges you want on the Supreme Court?
Point of Note: It was also I who pointed out Erick’s changing of the title to that particular post way back when. Erick DID change it…and, in case you guys don’t know this about WordPress, you CAN change the title of a page once it is posted. It’s in the section called “Slug”.
It would not change in the url path to the article though, and Erick’s title matched the URL pathway.
In any event, let’s not open up that discussion again Bill. The real topic is how Konop has been slandering the motives of people by calling them racists or whatever at every opportunity.
Yes, that is correct, Doug. John Konop is quite the quick one to apply labels to people without actually considering the substance of what is said.
Bill and Doug
YOU GUYS THINK?
“John McCain won’t be “judging” judges based on how they feel about the laws he has voted for. He will be basing his decision more on how well the judicial candidate has applied the principles of “interpreting laws” as opposed to “making laws.”
IS THIS A JOKE?
I still like you guys, too, but if you come to me with campaign signs with “GOP”, an elephant, or “Republican” on them, you can expect me to duct tape over the party designator.
Now if you have ’666′ that calls for exorcism.
Just don’t expect that I support Bush, McCain, Saxby, or Ralph Reed.
I am truly an Indy, one who is proud of Paul Broun and John Barrow .
BARR 08!!!!!
John Barrow…what are his accomplishments in the realm of “conservative principles?”
Indy,
I refuse to take anyone’s campaign signs personally, and I tell everyone I know well enough to call at least an aquaintence that I am not happy with McCain, Bush, and the Republicans in general. I just do not think one can say that they are as bad as the Democrats, and will defend them on that every time.
Doug wants to debate the difference between a head cold and chest cold! Yet I still like you Doug!
Barack Obama loves whiteys like you, John Konop.
Bill Simon why not debate issues and not race?
I started early today,
and I still have not had enough to drink to get back involved in this conversation.
Ah shucks John…
Because this world just ain’t about “issues,” John. No matter how much or how often you hope it would be.
Bill
The world is what you make it.
Bill
Is this how you got your “whitey” attack?
As I said I am no big Obama fan, but this will only hurt the GOP long term. The polling numbers show the race cared does not work with younger voters. In fact it had a boomerang affect for Obama. Bottom line it is flat out wrong to promote race baiting!
Townhall-Michelle Obama never used word ‘Whitey’
Democrat Barack Obama’s campaign said Thursday that Michelle Obama never used the word “whitey” in a speech from the church pulpit as it launched a Web site to debunk rumors about him and his wife.
The rumor that Michelle Obama railed against “whitey” in a diatribe at Chicago’s Trinity United Church of Christ has circulated on conservative Republican blogs for weeks and was repeated by radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh. The rumor included claims of a videotape of the speech that would be used to bring down Obama’s candidacy this fall.
“No such tape exists,” the campaign responds on the site,
http://www.fightthesmears.com. “Michelle Obama has not spoken from the pulpit at Trinity and has not used that word.”
Fox News Channel referred to Michelle Obama as “Obama’s baby mama” in a graphic on Wednesday, using the slang description of a woman who has a baby outside of a romantic relationship or marriage. Fox anchor E.D. Hill also referred to it as a “terrorist fist jab” when the Obamas bumped knuckles on the night he clinched the nomination. Hill has apologized…..
http://www.townhall.com/news/politics-elections/2008/06/12/campaign_michelle_obama_never_used_word_whitey
Bill,
Barrow was running against a greater liberal in Max Burns. Burns is of the same cut as Johnny and Saxby, having abandoned conservative principles decisicely over the time that the GOP held control.
Conversely, Barrow told me that he was gonna vote with the Bluedog Coalition to reign in Pelosi. This he and they have done, with the result that the Republicans deride them as do-nothings.
Until the GOP offers a real conservative in that District, Barrow is probably safe…..an no, John Stone doesn’t qualify. At least this time the campaign he wrecks will be his own.
“A TAXPAYER VOTING FOR A OBOMA IS LIKE A CHICKEN VOTING FOR COLONEL SANDERS. “
GO-Peach,
With your last comment, expect a visit from the Konop Anti-Defamation league. I think I remember the rule
11-3-f(1)c – Any comment that references a minority of African decent and within the same sentence, paragraph, page, chapter, volume, or library also references Fried Chicken, Fried Chicken providers, Fried Chicken Derivitives, Fried Chicken By-Products, Fried Chicken related side items including, but not limited to mashed potatoes, baked beans and corn on the cob, chiken products of any other unspecified nature, or anything resembling the taste, texture, or color including but not limited to “The Other White Meat” (which also falls under Title 12 for the use of color references) shall be guilty per se of a violation of racial sensitivity and shall be punished under the procedures outlined under 11-2-4(c-f).
Of course that should be racial insensitivity
Doug Deal let me help you with economics. Tax cuts without of control spending drove the dollar in the toilet! That is the current plan McCain still supports. Unless you use a PAY/GO concept with tax cuts you are selling out the future of the country.
At the end the current fiscal policy you support tax cuts without proper spending cuts has caused more economic damage than if we had done nothing. Do you understand the net affect of the policy you support has been the largest tax increase ever!
LET ME HELP YOU UNDERSATND!
WHAT YOUR POLICY AND BUSH HAS DONE FOR THE ECONOMY AS I WARNED YEARS AGO!
1) OUT OF CONTROL INFLATION ie GAS and FOOD prices
2) Real-estate values in the toilet ie equity
3) Equity ratio (down payment) so high ie it has hurt the growth economy ie jobs and wages
4) SAVINGS RATE GONE!
Do I need to spell this out for you anymore? Do you understand the joke is on you if you think this policy you support is conservative?
Doug the free lunch program is over! You guys are worse than any liberal because you think you are conservative!
John,
Where did I ever say in my entire life that I did not blieve the government needs to be reduced in size?
Taxes are also too high.
JK,
Not only is the free lunch over, but now we must pay for 8 years of free lunches already gone plus paying our way going forward.
Lenin said the way to destroy the middle class is to grind them between the millstones of inflation and taxation.
The Dems are the party of taxation.
The Repugs are the party of inflation and we left them in control long enough to create the greatest raging inflationary bonfire America has ever seen.
ANY advantage most have seen in lower tax rates is being swiftly blown away. The Clinton/GOP Congress duopoly was vastly superior to the Bush terms with GOP control.
Doug
You made it clear that you support McCain for fiscal reasons.
The tax plan presented by McCain and Obama does not pay for itself.
Do you understand with no PAY/GO both plans will hurt the economy?
WP-A detailed analysis of the candidates’ tax plans confirms one of Barack Obama’s top arguments against John McCain: the Arizona senator’s proposals would offer substantial benefits to wealthy Americans.
An analysis of both campaigns proposals by the Washington-based, nonpartisan Tax Policy Center found that for people with incomes between $66,354 and $111,645, Obama’s proposals would cut their taxes by more than $1000, compared to around $300 under McCain’s plan. But for Americans with incomes above $603,402, Obama would raise their taxes dramatically, by more than $115,000 a year, while McCain would cut them by $45,000.
“The Obama tax plan would make the tax system significantly more progressive by providing large tax breaks to those at the bottom of the income scale and raising taxes significantly on upper-income earners,” the group concludes. “The McCain tax plan would make the tax system more regressive…. It would do so by providing relatively little tax relief to those at the bottom of the income scale while providing huge tax cuts to households at the very top of the income distribution.”
The group is skeptical about both candidates’ ideas about closing the deficit, suggesting McCain has not been detailed in which programs he will cut, while Obama might be overestimating how much can be gained by combating loopholes in the tax code that allow corporations to reduce their tax burdens.
read more
http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/mccains-tax-plan-aids-wealthy-says-group
Indy
You are right as usual!
What we need is another war. Let’s invade Mexico and capture all of their tequila production facilities.
Doug-
Uh… okay… is this better????
A tax-payer voting for Obama is like a sheep voting for a wolf.
A little less “racial” and more Biblical.
Well, GOPeach,
I hope I do not have to remind you that sheep are white, and wolves are not. I am quite certain that the Obama “truth” squad is already penning its response to this outrageous use of racism.
SHAME GOPeach, SHAME!
DOUG AND BILL WRONG ABOUT MCCAIN AND JUDGES!
McCain mingles with Clinton supporters
After his public conference call with Clinton supporters (covered extensively by Jonathan Martin) Saturday, John McCain met privately with some 75 of those supporters at his Virginia headquarters, two people who were there said.
McCain’s staff extended the last-minute invitation to Clinton die-hards, including a founder of a group called “Party Unity, My Ass” (PUMA), and substantial numbers came from Washington and New York. They represented passionate campaign volunteers and supporters, but they’re essentially a marginal group in Clinton’s orbit, including no one with a prominent campaign role, public office or close relationship with the candidate.
“He stayed for a good almost half hour afterwards shaking hands, listening to our concerns, talking to us,” said PUMA founder Will Bower, who said he thought many of the people there would vote for McCain.
Former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina stayed to mingle with the crowd, whose members also included Clinton backer Harriet Christian, made momentarily famous on YouTube for getting ejected from the Rules & Bylaws press area.
Bower said he’d liked McCain’s answer on judges, in which he “pointed out that he supported Bill Clinton with both Ginsberg and Breyer.”
Another person who was present, but asked not to be named to avoid conflict with fellow Democrats, said he’d pressed a McCain staffer on McCain’s position on same-sex marriage.
The staffer “said it was the same as [John] Kerry’s position,” he said.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0608/McCain_mingles_with_Clinton_supporters.html#comments
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