Richardson To Car Tax: I’ll Be Back

Georgia House Speaker Glenn Richardson says eliminating the car tax will be a top priority next year, according to the AJC.

Richardson added, “I’m going to start again with it next year the very first thing out of the gate. We are going to do something about taxes.”

Whatever, dude.

40 comments

  1. Donkey Kong says:

    Cut them. Might as well eliminate them. One less tax to pay, and it would be better than cutting income taxes because it would streamline the tax process by having fewer streams of revenue.

  2. Harry says:

    Cutting the income tax would be more equitable across the boards and would discourage excess consumption. People who pay high car tax are those who think they need new wheels every year or so. My cars are at least 5 years old and I pay very little car tax.

  3. fishtail says:

    Cut Glenn Richardson loose as Speaker and then we might get some serious tax relief….so far he has delivered a whopping ZERO!!!! Remember all the hype last year or so…what happened?…not a damn thing!!! Get rid of Richardson. Anybody would be better.

  4. Gag Halfrunt says:

    I dearly love Georgia but this reinforces the perception that we are backward. Eliminating the car tax was part of the Republican playbook in 1997. C0me to think of it, Richardson’s economic adviser (Arthur Laffer) got chucked from the playbook after 1986. And divorcing your wife as a political strategy died out with Nelson Rockefeller.

    Now I understand! Richardson is channeling David Duke!

  5. Icarus says:

    O.K., I’m going to try to go very slow here, so we can all agree that this is a total sham from Republican House Leadership once and for all.

    1) The “tag tax” is a source of local revenue, not State revenue. Thus, the Speaker is again insisting on cutting a source of revenue that doesn’t force HIM to cut spending. He wants to push that heavy lifting to the local governments.

    2) To counter-act point one, the Speaker claims that he will guarantee the individual counties the same revenue they receive now, and will index that number to inflation, if I’m not mistaken.

    However, unless I’m mistaken, this number is not adjusted for per capita growth past the first few years. As such, the reimbursement amount will be somewhat fixed after a few years.

    The result is that growth counties will be stuck with a smaller and smaller per-capita rebate from the state, while their infrastructure needs (things usually paid for by property taxes) are growing.

    If you don’t see this as a problem, think about what things will be like for fast growth counties in 30 years. (If you are having trouble doing that, ask the county commissions of Forsyth, Paulding, Fayette, Newton, Cherokee, and Henry Counties if they would like to be receiving the equivalent of their car taxes collected in 1980.)

    The Speaker and his minions continue to try to centralize the power of the purse in Atlanta, usurp local control, and tell you they are cutting taxes, while doing nothing, NOTHING, to reduce STATE spending.

    Tom Graves for Speaker. PLEASE!

  6. bowersville says:

    Cut Glenn Richardson loose as Speaker. Tom Graves for Speaker.

    PPPPUUULLLLEEEAAASSSSEEEE!!!!!

    Those are noble ideas but do you really expect politicians to step up to the plate? Really?

    The voters from Bremen had to dismiss Tom Murphy, not the politicians in the house. Remember?

    The voters and opposition from Richardson’s district were so intimidated they didn’t even offer an opponent.

  7. Icarus says:

    “but do you really expect politicians to step up to the plate? Really?”

    In a word, “No.”

  8. bowersville says:

    H#ll, Al Burros thought he had the votes for speaker. In the end the house was so intimidated they bailed out because of their fear of Tom Murphy.

    I know there is some animosity against Jeanette Jameison for her failure to pay her tax, but just damn, she had more …..(BACKBONE)… than the Republican pansies in the house of this day. She stuck with Burros.

    The same situation, with a few exceptions, is true today.

  9. Donkey Kong says:

    Icarus,

    Very interesting points. I didn’t know that tag taxes were revenue at the local level. That makes a pretty big difference, IMO. What is it with Richardson and his drive to screw over localities?

  10. Dave Bearse says:

    Icarus:

    Good post, though with the funds being made up by the state the burden of it’s elimination does fall to the state. Opposing it as usurpation of local control by the state is valid however.

    What’s incredible is the Speaker advocating a type of tax cut that over time that will increasingly adversely effect the local governments of his base, GOP suburban and exurban metro Atlanta.

  11. Jason Pye says:

    Richardson was completely out of line yesterday, though he wasn’t nearly as bad as he was on Sine Die. It was still classless.

  12. Icarus says:

    Icarus unfortunately has to head out of town for a funeral.

    I look forward to picking up the discussion late Tuesday when I return.

  13. IndyInjun says:

    Any rapidly-growing county would have been ruined by GREAT because it set a static revenue sharing formula at a set date in 2006.

    Why more has not been made of this is unknown, but every house member from such counties should be grilled on their support for this concept.

  14. Just the Facts Please says:

    For all of you who are calling for Richardson’s head…well it ain’t easy.

    Al Burris thought he had the votes
    DuBose Porter thought he had the votes
    Larry Walker thought he had the votes

    All attributed to the “lie factor” in these sort of elections. No one rises up because “if you take on the King, you’d better kill him” and if history is any judge, even when you think you have the votes…you don’t.

  15. bowersville says:

    Yes JTFP you are right. We shouldn’t expect politicians to rise to any cause that is in the peoples’ best interest.

    But I’ll tell you this. When the people are fed up, just as in Bremen with Murphy, Richardson goes home.

    The voters killed the King in Bremen. And what happened? Coleman for a term and then Richardson.

    JTFP it’s coming when the people get tired of
    Richardson’s crap. A day of reckoning and a wake up call when the GaGOP is again in the minority.

    Georgia is behind the national curve, but it’s coming.

  16. Painterman says:

    If you would listen to what he said, he is dead on. He is not against cutting income taxes, but at least income tax is based on your income. Property tax is based on what the government wants to collect and has risen faster than inflation and other gov spending. If I don’t pay my income tax I can go to jail or have my wages garnished, if I don’t pay my property taxes they take my home. Thank you Speaker for seeing the evil in this system and pledging to continue working towards its end. Unlike most of the complainers here I actually live in your district and will be voting for you to stay in office.

  17. Jason Pye says:

    Painterman,

    The reason the reforms didn’t go through is because of Glenn Richardson.

    The Senate presented the caps on assessments and spending restraints during conference and pleaded to Richardson that he allow the House to take action on that while the conference committee keep negotiating on the tax cut. Senate conferees took the income tax cut off the table and went with elimination of the car tax phased in over four years instead of two, the time frame that House conferees wanted, but Richardson wouldn’t approve it.

    Cagle’s proposal was the better cut. Richardson wanted a political victory. I do not believe for one second that he has the taxpayers best interests at heart.

  18. debbie0040 says:

    There is more support to abolish the State Income tax.

    There are several counties that will have a question on the June GOP Primary Ballot about whether or not voters favor repealing the state personal/corporate income tax in favor of a consumption tax.

    I think both Richardson and Cagle have the tax payers best interests at heart. They just have disagreement on the tax that should be cut.

  19. Painterman says:

    Jason, I have to disagree. Cagle stayed out of the whole process until the very last and blocked any vote on the measure. Income tax rates can be lowered at anytime by the legislators, but any property tax changes would have to be voted on by the people. It will now be at least 2 years before this can happen because Cagle would not let it be voted on. He’s the one I would say is trying to be sure he gets credit for tax relief so he can run for Gov in 2010. I guess we will just have to disagree on this. I think that the property tax is immoral and must go. I don’t like the income tax much either, but at least it is tied to what I earn, not what someone else decides I must pay. My property taxes have risen much faster than my pay scale, so I agree with the Speakers approach.

  20. John Konop says:

    This is a tricky issue. A key factor of the price of a home is schools. As an example in East Cobb Mt. Bethel, Dickerson and Walton have a much higher price point per sq. foot than an area within miles that does not have the same quality schools.

    If the State and Feds control the local money and pushes unfunded mandates at the school district level than people who bought homes in that area could take a big hit.

    Local control does not guarantee success but if it fails voters have a chance to fix the problem if the State and Federal government stay out. We seem to be heading in the wrong direction.

  21. The Comma Guy says:

    1 – Does this not suppose that the Tax Jesus will be back in office? I thought that there were challengers to his seat in the GOP primary.

    2 – Cagles’s move to prevent discussion may be viewed in future years as a wise decision. Has anyone ever been able to get Richardson to explain how this move towards dependence on the State for more tax revenue is a good thing for local governments? Icarus’s post shows it’s not.

  22. Jason Pye says:

    I don’t disagree with you about the property tax. My point is that the Senate was willing to go along with the car tax, but they wanted to phase it in over four years instead of two. Do you know why? Local governments rely on the car tax money and eliminating it would have resulted in tax increases in other areas at the state level so they could subsidize the missing tax dollars at the local level. If the state refused to subsidize then they would have had to increase taxes at the local level or cut services.

    My property taxes have risen much faster than my pay scale, so I agree with the Speakers approach.

    You do know that the Senate presented the caps on assessments and state spending to the House during conference committee. Chip Rogers told Richardson, and you can watch the video here if you don’t believe me, that since they agreed on that much it should go ahead and be pushed through and they could still work on the tax cut. It was Richardson that refused to proceed, and in the process of refusing to go forward he berated Cagle and talked down to the conferees from the Senate.

    Face facts, my friend, Richardson must not be re-elected as Speaker by the Republican caucus. He is not a fiscal conservative and he does not have the best interests of the taxpayers at heart.

  23. johnmartinforafreegeorgia says:

    Jason,

    If you’re going to talk about the Senate’s proposal in conference committee, let’s tell the whole truth. Most importantly, their proposal was a bill rather than a resolution, and we all know that the Governor’s first veto would have been that bill. Richardson asked the Senators if Casey would let them do the same proposal as a resolution, and when they came back for the next conference committee, the answer was no, he would not let them agree to that proposal as a resolution. Gee . . . I wonder why. As for the proposal itself, it did eliminate the tag tax over 4 years, but ONLY on new cars that had NEVER been titled in Georgia. That means that if you just bought a car last week, you’re out of luck. And, if you wanted to buy a used car, chances are you’d go out of state to purchase it because if it had EVER been titled in Georgia, you’d still pay the tag tax. Talk about a hit to Georgia’s car dealerships. Their plan would only benefit those who could afford to go out a buy another car to avoid paying taxes. Not to mention the fact that it surely would have been vetoed. It was typical of Casey Cagle . . . pretend to do something but in reality do nothing while Sonny Perdue (D – Bonaire) pats him on the head. Wooten’s comparison to Eddie Haskell is dead on. Those Senators wanted to vote to eliminate the tag tax, and it would have happened if Casey had let them vote. Watch the conference committee video . . . Chip Rogers, a true conservative, said several times that he was only speaking for the Lieutenant Governor. Remember, too, that the House voted to end the tag tax AND reduce income taxes. Funny that Casey Cagle was never interested in negotiating the income tax plan . . . perhaps that was because he simply intended it as a way to save face while ensuring that Georgians got no tax relief at all.

  24. Donkey Kong says:

    I say we fire the Guv, Cagle, and Richardson and just start over. Make Karen Handel governor, Burkhalter (or Tom Graves, or Bob Smith!!) Speaker, and perhaps Tommie Williams Lt. Gov.

  25. Jason Pye says:

    Most importantly, their proposal was a bill rather than a resolution, and we all know that the Governor’s first veto would have been that bill.

    A veto is subject to an override and considering the fact that the income tax cut passed the Senate by more than a veto proof majority, I’m sure they would have acted.

    It’s funny that you do not mention the likely tax increases at the local level as result of the repeal of the car tax. You also fail to mention that Richardson called for a vote on a tax increase after his tax plan failed.

    And let’s not forget that Cagle’s plan was more viable and better for the economy.

  26. Jace Walden says:

    Donkey Kong,

    I agree with you. Everyone seems a little to willing to throw all the blame on Richardson. And perhaps he does deserve the lion’s share of the blame…but it takes two to compromise. The fact that Republicans couldn’t pass a tax cut on an election year represents the ineptitude and incompetence of the entire GA GOP, not just the arrogance of one individual.

    Get rid of all the responsible parties: Richardson, Cagle, and Sonny.

    Replace them with Tom Graves, David Schafer, and Karen Handel, respectively. Them we might get something done.

  27. Donkey Kong says:

    Ohhh good call on David Schafer. I was struggling to come up with a State Senator I really like. Shafer would be excellent!!

  28. Donkey Kong says:

    P.S. Not to say that there aren’t great St. Senators, I just know more people on the House side.

    Whoever becomes Speaker, though, I really hope Earl Ehrhart remains House Rules Chair. I like him a lot and he does a very good job there.

  29. kandrew says:

    DK, I like the idea.

    Next time Sonny, Cagle, and Glenn go on their unity airplane tour, can we fly to Timbuktu and leave them there?

  30. drjay says:

    is there a problem w/ either eliminating or drastically reucing the income tax–it seems like a simple way to go to me–what do the states w/out one or w/ a really low one do to stay fiscally secure???

  31. IndyInjun says:

    Sad to say, but the explosion in fuel prices will sent off a corresponding firestorm with millage rates…good heavens at what all the school buses, emergency, and law enforcement vehicle are costing now.

    Signs are that sales tax revenues are down for the states, so from a realistic standpoint there ain’t gonna be any tax cuts, eliminations, or reforms.

    There will be tax increases at every level of government.

    All best brace ourselves.

  32. John Konop says:

    IndyInjun

    Also fuel prices is also causing an increase in product cost ie inflation! Agree or disagree with the Iraq policy the truth is we do not have the money bottom line.

    You are right everything will keep going up and something has to give.

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