How Dare We Enforce The Law?

I mean, really, how can we want to enforce immigration policy when so many U.S. citizens have themselves worked in other countries illegally without papers….oh, wait. That’s not the case. Full story from the AJC.

About 200 people gathered on the steps of the state capitol Thursday to protest immigration raids and deportations. The rally, organized by the Georgia Latino Alliance for Human Rights, called for comprehensive immigration reform and an end to the kinds of deportation agreements in effect in Cobb County’s jail. From July through March, Cobb sheriff’s deputies have worked with federal agents to identity and process 1,632 people for deportation.

Sorry, but working and living in the United States is not a right that everyone is entitled to.

26 comments

  1. Old Vet says:

    South of the border there is a large work force willing to work. Here at home there is a desperate need for those workers – in fact, without them, our economy would crash. So what’s missing? A thoughtfully crafted guest worker program. It ain’t all that complicated! The current situation is akin to refusing to issue driver’s licenses and then arresting people for driving without a license. Grandstanding and playing to the more ignorant elements of our society is easier for the politicians than getting a meaningful law in place.

  2. Rogue109 says:

    The current situation is akin to refusing to issue driver’s licenses and then arresting people for driving without a license.

    No, it’s akin to trying to cut the crime rate by legalizing the use of drugs.

  3. jsm says:

    Vet,

    Our economy would NOT crash without the illegals. Our government sets limits on immigration for good reason, and we still allow more than any other country in the world. Talk to someone on your local hospital board about illegals and the costs of indigent care. Maybe this will give you an idea about just one of the factors tied to those thieves whose presence here is helping to crash this economy.

  4. Old Vet says:

    All of which could be solved with a good law – assuming your opposition is not fueled by simple racisism, in which case nothing resulting in Hispanic workers would satisfy you. If workers could freely return home to visit their families and return legally, they’d leave the dependents at home and send money, and return home once they have a grub stake. In fact, most of the problem with social services only became a large problem when more difficult border crossings made it too risky for workers to visit their families at home. Employers would have to be requried to provide assurance of health care coverage. Competent control would cut the chance of overstay. All of the ills you could come up with (except merely having Hispanics in your midst) could be handled with a good law and a competent administrtation, neither of which we have now. If our leaders would only think it through, instead of pacifying Billy Bob, it wouldn’t be hard. Oh, yes, if you think the economy wouldn’t suffer without the labor needed to produce our crops, construct our infrastructure, service the tourist and entertainment industry, and the thousands of other things that simply would not get done without them, you haven’t been paying attention. Let’s all be practical about this.

  5. John Konop says:

    Illegal Immigration: A Rich American’s Game

    This is one of the best articles I have ever read about explaining the core issue behind illegal immigration. Congress has formed an unholy alliance with the lobbyist money changers in Washington to sell out small business and the middle class.

    By Froma Harrop

    RCP-There’s a popular game in America that goes, I’ll cut your wages, but you don’t cut mine. And the outsourcing of your factory job to China is a good thing, because it makes my paycheck go further at Wal-Mart. We hear this theme a lot in the debate over illegal immigration.

    Consider the recent raids on Swift meat-processing plants. Federal agents arrested 1,187 illegal immigrants at facilities in six states. Mere hours later, economists warned that depriving the industry of illegal labor could raise hamburger prices.

    Illegal immigration is usually presented as a win-win situation: Undocumented foreigners earn far more than they could back home. Consumers get a bargain.

    Nowhere to be seen are America’s working poor who get stomped on 13 different ways. They have to compete with illegal immigrants for jobs and housing. Low-skilled natives and legal immigrants also end up subsidizing the undocumented because they tend to live in the same communities, which must provide hospitals, police, schools and garbage pickup.

    Who doesn’t suffer from illegal immigration? For starters, the people who write about it. I speak of the journalism profession, which has the habit of covering the issue by anecdotes. Reporters thrive on sympathetic stories about illegal immigrants who work hard and go to church

    READ MORE

    http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/illegal-immigration-a-rich-americans-game

  6. Rogue109 says:

    “assuming your opposition is not fueled by simple racisism[.]”

    What an ass. Give it a break, already.

  7. jsm says:

    Vet,

    I am definitely against “racisism.” Since you’re speaking specifically about hispanics, you should first understand a little about their culture. They are very family-oriented, and most of them who can afford to bring their family here with them will do so. The majority of those that do not try to bring their families are young and single, and they regularly take trips home for months at a time. So much for a dependable long term employee.

    Speaking of being practical about this, there’s not a job in America that wouldn’t get done by law abiding people so long as it pays a decent living wage.

  8. boyreporter says:

    Rogue: Old Vet isn’t wrong. You’ve been on the apparently racist side of many issues, so if you reputation precedes you, there’s a valid reason.

    Your “Give it a break, already” dismissal is reminiscent of Nino’s 60-Minutes flippancy about “getting over” the “old news” of the putrid Bush/Gore decision/interference/about-face-on-States’-Rights.

    Go, Vet!

  9. Rogue109 says:

    boyreporter: So if I am against illegal immigration, then I am racist automatically? Wrong. It’s your bigoted nature that refuses to ignore the possibility that maybe laws should be enforced.

    And, by the way, the SCOTUS didn’t just automatically inject themselves into the Bush/Gore issue. One person is to blame for the whole episode: Al Gore. And when the Florida Supreme Court makes up rules every other day with their rulings, ignoring the clear meaning of the law, then an appeal to the Federal level is necessary.

    Don’t cry foul just because you don’t understand and think that every post must sling racism, bigotry and dullardly thought. I’m outa here…have a good weekend!

  10. Old Vet says:

    Rogue: My point is, with a good law the workers wouldn’t be illegal. They would be legal guest workers, so any objection based on the “legality” of their presence would not be valid. That leaves us only with other reasons to object to their presence . . .

  11. Romegaguy says:

    With this headline I thought it would be about people getting locked up for overdue library books…

  12. Bill Simon says:

    How can it be “racism” when Latinos are NOT a “race”, but a subset of the Caucasoid race?

    DAMN, some people are just plain TOO stupid to be given posting privileges on any blog.

  13. boyreporter says:

    Oh, Bill, you know so much. I’d hate to be you.

    Konop: That’s a stupid question.

  14. StevePerkins says:

    I’m the first one here to criticize the GOP for racism, and it may play a role in immigrant backlash… but can’t be used to dismiss the issue entirely. This nonsense about “jobs no American will take” is just a lie that’s been repeated to the point where people start to believe it. Americans were happy to take these jobs 20 years ago, when illegal immigration wasn’t out of control and companies had to pay decent wages to hire people.

    Rather than the economy “collapsing”, working conditions and wage growth were far BETTER for Americans two or three decades ago than they are today. We’re not talking about jobs that Americans won’t take… we’re talking about jobs that Americans won’t take for cash-under-the-table at far below fair market value for legal workers. The interplay of racism doesn’t diminish the fact that this issue is about corporate America’s desire for cheap labor and the resulting effect on wages for the nation’s working class.

  15. John Konop says:

    boyreporter

    You made my point what is the difference between you calling everyone a racist who disagrees with you on immigration?

  16. Dave Bearse says:

    Steve:

    TheI think the issue is as much all Americans (including low income Americans) demanding low prices, and not merely corporations seeking cheap labor. Indeed the cheap illegal labor is largely employed by small business and not corporations.

  17. John Konop says:

    boyreporter

    If I did not, why did you avoid my questions?

    “Do you hate working class people”?

    “You made my point what is the difference between you calling everyone a racist who disagrees with you on immigration”?

  18. John Konop says:

    Dave Bearse

    That is a shallow view of economics. If a major corporation contracts out to a third party to get illegal immigrants they are part of the chain. Do you understand?

  19. Rick A. says:

    Any discussion regarding the impact of illegal immigrants on our economy must include how much it costs to provide services to them. It is estimated that in 2004 alone the taxpayers of Georgia spent $952 million on illegal aliens and their children in public schools. If you add in the costs of emergency health care and incarceration costs, we get a whopping annual 1.2 billion dollar price tag.

    Now what do you think the economy would be like in our state if that amount of money was back in the pockets of taxpayers?

    I am not a racist… I just don’t like the socialistic system of money redistribution…I’m kind of Republican that way…

    The figures can be seen here:
    http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_researchcd31

  20. Grunt says:

    At least we’ve debunked the idea that the objection to these workers is their legal status! The discussion seems to have come down to whether our economy needs them or not. Reasonable people can differ on that question without calling each other names. We’re making progress in spite of ourselves! So far Old Vet has been called an “ass” and “stupid”. Trust me, he’s been called much worse things by a lot better men. You just don’t want to do that in person! I’ve seen the results.
    As to the economic question, I think you who think Americans would rush to fill the jobs left by foreign workers if they disappeared tomorrow are simply not living in the real world. Ask any farmer or hotellier. We need these guys, and they need the work. Why can’t we be rational about it? (No more irrational name calling, please. It’s beneath us.)

  21. John Konop says:

    A key element to free market based economy is the worker must have the same legal rights as the employer. This is from the father of the free market system Adam Smith.

    If you have illegal immigrants obviously that is not the same legal rights. In the Kennedy/Bush/ McCain immigration bill an employer could deport a worker for basically any reason giving the worker limited options or rights.

    The devil is in the details not the spin.

    What some of you advocating is a company brings in workers and shifts the cost of schools, healthcare…..on tax payers. Also this puts American workers at a disadvantage and when end picking up their social service cost. This is a race to the bottom.

    I am all for immigration when needed. But it cannot be a tool to drive down wages and stick the social service cost on tax payers.

    Also this policy hurts an economy because companies do not invest in technology like robotics for farms and instead they depend on cheap labor.

    Finally the real unemployment rate is about 8 to 10 % not 5. We heard about labor shortage with meat packing plants when they were raided, yet as you saw we had many Americans ready and willing to take the jobs.

  22. jsm says:

    Grunt, actually this comes down to both illegal status AND economic burden. Nobody around here respects your snooty little condescending attitude, either. We’ve been able to manage our own name-calling just fine, thanks.

  23. drjay says:

    if only there were an ordinance concerning how many cars illegal immigrants park in their driveway–i bet then we could get a real handle on this thing…

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