Holy Cow: Barry Fleming really steps in it attacking Broun

Barry Fleming today sent out a press release saying the following:

Today state Representative Barry Fleming (R-Harlem) called out Congressman Paul Broun for skirting the legislative process and wasting federal funds in an attempt to compensate for a bad voting record, referring to Congressman Paul Broun’s English As The Official Language Act and his vote on the Waters Amendment to H.R. 3524.

“English should be the official language of the United States,” Fleming said. “The most effective way to make this happen is to work with recognized congressional leaders and support existing legislation that already has a large body of support. Rather than doing this, Paul Broun has chosen to work against recognized leaders and reintroduce already existing legislation with his name at the top. These actions by Broun are a sure way to make sure that positive change never happens,” Fleming added.

The only problem is, the entire group of Georgia’s Republican Congressmen and the bulk of the conservative Republican Study Committee all co-sponsored Broun’s legislation that Fleming is attacking.

Fleming, though he is attacking Broun for not working with Nancy Pelosi (who is opposed anyway), is really attacking Prince, Kingston, Gingrey, Deal, Westmoreland, Linder, and Broun — they’ve all signed on to this bill together.

Likewise, the “Waters Amendment” that Broun voted against is Maxine Waters’ (!!!!!!!) amendment. Holy crap! An allegedly conservative Republican is attacking another conservative Republican for voting *against* a far left Democrat’s amendment that would have expanded a federal program with no spending caps and impose a requirement to create “green buildings” for public housing.

Fleming really wants to attack that? In his district? BTW, the conservatives of the House all joined Broun in his vote. Likewise, John Linder voted against the amendment.


  1. Burdell says:

    This sad to see. Barry is a nice guy and I thought he had helped in the fight to end crap like this.

    If the attack is as shallow and baseless as you indicate, Erick, it will backfire. Fleming isn’t going to turn people against Broun by pointing out how he’s been acting in their best interests.

  2. bowersville says:

    I guess Nancy Schaefer was right when she labeled Fleming a LIBERAL republican trial lawyer.

    This is giving trial lawyers a bad name, they’ll resent it. Maybe Fleming thinks the whole district is just a bunch of complete idiots or maybe he thinks he is so slick tongued that he believes himself.

    I’m dumbfounded, maybe he’s going to qualify as a democrat, it sounds like it.

  3. Romegaguy says:

    Even with this snafu by Fleming, Paul Broun will never realize his dream of being sworn in as a Congressman nor will he be re-elected.

  4. Insider Mike says:

    Here’s my one problem with you Erick. You decided early on that you liked Paul Broun, and you’re now using RedState and Peach Pundit to spin for him.

    I don’t have a dog in this fight. And I think Broun is a perfectly able member of Congress (-elect). However, Fleming has a point on Broun re-introducing legislation. I believe Broun earlier introduced a bill to ban abortion (there’ve got to be at least ten of those introduced in the House).

    Now, with making English the official language, he’s introduced a bill that is almost identical to H.R. 997, which has 146 co-sponsors, INCLUDING BROUN.

    Or how about H.R. 769, the National Language Act of 2007, which has 60 co-sponsors, INCLUDING BROUN.

    What’s the point of Broun introducing this bill? It won’t go anywhere in a Pelosi-controlled House (neither will H.R. 997 or H.R. 769, by the way). He’s just taking other people’s legislation and slapping his name on it, just so he can claim it back home where people actually think this stuff gets voted on. In this case, he just changed the year on Peter King’s bill.

    When Paul Broun comes up with an original idea for a bill, I’ll be impressed. Until then, he’s lucky he has Erick Erickson spinning away for him, and raising him money on RedState.

    Again, no dog in this fight — just trying to even the playing field that Erick has uprooted.

    And FYI — the Waters Amendment (among other less desirable things) clarified that bill’s language to forbid illegal immigrants from living in public housing. But I guess you didn’t want to tell people that part.

  5. StevePerkins says:

    Here’s my one problem with you Erick. You decided early on that you liked Paul Broun, and you’re now using RedState and Peach Pundit to spin for him.

    I’m looking at this thread, which is similar to others dealing with Broun, and note that 6 of 7 comments (around 85%) are in support of Broun. That being the case, is it really fair to say that Erick is “manipulating” things… or that the majority of folks have been drifting Broun’s way regardless?

  6. Jane says:

    When you are a Minority you need to show clear differences with the Majority. Paul Broun’s bills are useful toward that point. Fleming seems to think that you get more pork if you do not anger the powers in charge. That is the the difference between Conservatives who want to drive an agenda in order to improve the country and Moderates who want to appease Nancy Pelosi so as not to lose thier earmarks.

  7. Holly says:

    Here’s the problem with introducing identical bills (and for the record, I’d say it for any member doing so): each bill has to be scored by the Congressional Budget Office and has to be run through Leg Counsel. Guess what? That costs money. Obviously, Broun wanted to make a point that he was for English-only. Great, he co-sponsored lots of legislation doing so. He can easily communicate that to the constituency, and that should be plenty. But for someone so interested in fiscal conservatism, Broun should weigh whether constantly reintroducing legislation is really in line with his stand against wasteful spending (and this refers to the flag folding and abortion bills, too, so there’s a history of it). At best, it’s an oversight, and one he should be called out for given how he heralds the cause of cutting government waste.

  8. Holly says:

    I apologize for the double post, but I thought it was only fair to show what a little research finds here so the whole story on the amendment is at least offered:

    Westmoreland, Gingrey, and Price voted for it; it had a vote of 388-20 (Roll Call No. 12, 1/17/08). Deal and Kingston did not vote. Shall we consider them not conservative? Or should we assume that Gingrey, Price, and Westmoreland voted for the amendment and then voted against final passage to try to make a bad bill as good as it could get before it was passed? I think that answer is obvious.

    I’m actually confused as to where Nancy Pelosi comes into the equation or why she was mentioned, other than you’re trying to paint Barry as liberal. . . but how does it fit?

    If this is your idea of “playing this race straight” as previously promised, Erick, I’d really hate to see your idea of biased.

  9. Erick says:

    For those who don’t want Broun to introduce this legislation, are you also going to attack Jim Inhofe in the Senate?

    The Broun legislation is the House companion to his bill.

    If you don’t understand or like the way the game is played, that’s fine. But Fleming attacking Broun for this is just showing he doesn’t know what’s going on.

  10. Holly says:

    The fact that you responded to almost nothing I said is pretty telling, Erick. Perhaps it’s you who doesn’t understand that government waste comes in many forms and that once you build up a coalition over three Congresses, it’s a little hard to keep it together when splinter bills are introduced (as is the case with Rep. Steve King’s HR 997 – introduced in the 108th, 109th, and 110th).

    I’ve already said how I’d stand on it, but since there apparently needs to be clarification, YES, I feel the same way about Senator Inhofe. By the way, Broun’s chief was Inhofe’s LD before he took the job with Broun.

  11. Goldwater Conservative says:

    How many people are going to read that press release…honestly.

    Fleming will be on the television much more than broun…and can win any policy debate with broun.

    Don’t get your hopes up about paul to soon.

  12. steelfist says:

    Holly – Leg Counsel and CBO employees don’t work on a per project basis. Weak argument.

  13. drjay says:

    on an aside, i was surprised how many “reelect broun” signs have been put up along flowing wells and columbia roads when i was driving through there earlier this week–twas a thing that made me go “hmmm”

  14. modcon says:

    I was surprised a that Niki Broun was paid $2200 by Broun’s campaign last October for “Sign Distribution”

  15. modcon says:

    Also note, Columbia County has an ordinance banning the posting of such signs more than eight weeks prior to the election, so all of Broun’s signs that Drjay mentioned are there illeagaly.

  16. Bill Simon says:

    Not only does Fleming thing English should be the official language, but he thinks UGA should be the official university of America, and that there should be special license plates issued to anyone that wants to buy them.

    Having such a plate will give the driver an automatic “bye” on ever driving over the speed limits because the police officers can safely assume that any such driver is racing over the limit due to some UGA-related urgency.

  17. bowersville says:

    “government waste comes in many forms”

    $110K for a strategic plan for a golf hall of fame in Augusta,

    $10K for equipment and supplies for Columbia County’s Little League,

    $150K to restore Augusta’s historic Confederate Powder Works chimney.

    Is this a forecast of things to come from Fleming’s government spending habits if he is elected to represent the 10th?

  18. bowersville says:


  19. bowersville says:

    Nancy goes on to say that her husband, Bruce, is facing major surgery at the end of April and that it is unthinkable to continue the campaign.

    She says she will continue to represent the 50th senatorial district until the end of ’08.

    I wish Nancy and Bruce well through this trying time.

  20. drjay says:

    the signs on flowing wells are in fron tof private residences for the most part–would they be subject to an ordinance??

  21. Lee Benedict says:

    drjay: If the signs are on private property (someone’s yard…) ,no, they would not.
    Just as a conversation piece, I see McCain signs just off of many sidewalks: a) are they considered to be on public grounds? and b) since the February 5th primary ended a while ago, can we fine the campaign for not removing them within 5 days of said primary?

  22. drjay says:

    another aside–have been loving the week in augusta–its my fave week of the year–hopefully the weather holds out tommorrow…

  23. Insider Mike says:

    StevePerkins: “I’m looking at this thread, which is similar to others dealing with Broun, and note that 6 of 7 comments (around 85%) are in support of Broun. That being the case, is it really fair to say that Erick is “manipulating” things… or that the majority of folks have been drifting Broun’s way regardless?”

    Oh, yeah, that’s a real accurate poll you’ve got there Steve — 7 blog posts. Give me a break Steve. And I never said Erick was “manipulating” anything, so you shouldn’t put the word “manipulating” in “quotes.”

    Erick isn’t “manipulating” anything because the only people who read Peach Pundit are pols who make up 0.0001% of the 10th District vote. The fact of the matter is that very few actual voters read Peach Pundit, and very few actual voters actually read Barry Fleming’s press releases. What matters is how Fleming’s media consultant spins this on Augusta TV.

  24. Insider Mike,

    If Fleming and his consultants are thinking they will win this race by running a bunch of nifty commercials they will make the same mistake Whitehead did. Being the establishment candidate didn’t get Whitehead very far and Fleming will have to be something other than that if he wants to win.

    I don’t have a dog in the fight but it seems to me this years race is very much like last years race except that Broun won’t catch anyone by surprise. It’s still an establishment vs. outsider race.

  25. Holly says:

    Buzz, I think a lot of people immediately decide that Barry is Jim Whitehead Part Two, but I don’t know that’s an accurate idea. I guess we’ll see. . . qualifying is at the end of the month, so I’d assume the campaign starts picking up to full steam then, but what I know of Barry is he’s someone who is very involved. He’s not my state representative (Ben Harbin is), but whenever I’ve had a question in the past, he’s always been quick to respond. I have a feeling that he’ll be equally involved in a campaign bearing his name.

  26. bowersville says:

    Broun got about 37% of the votes in the special runoff in Richmond, Columbia and McDuffie Counties.

    Spinning on Augusta TV will not make Broun’s numbers in those Counties any worse.

  27. Goldwater Conservative says:

    Fleming represents more of that new Republican movement that is going to have to start up for the party’s survival.
    We can call it the “American Solutions” movement. A paradigm shift, if you will, away from hyperpartisanship towards a sustainable philosophy of party promotion and good governance. Neither the party, nor the nation, will survive if we continue to vote against the other party and steal their policy proposals for election year conversions.
    Just look at what Newt is doing.

  28. Carpe Forem says:

    Fleming represents more of that new Republican movement that is going to have to start up for the party’s survival.

    HA HA HA!

    Fleming represents more BIG GOV GOP.

    This is being proven by his entrance in the race against a small government sitting republican. Dumb, Dumb, Dumb.

    As for the “American Solutions” dismal failure. Grassroots do not grow top-down. Instead of starting a new movement, he could have joined an existing movement; RLC, AFP, LP, CSG and others.

    We gave Newt a chance with the “Contract with America.” BIG GOV GOP blew it.

  29. Icarus says:

    Good Lord Goldwater, now look what you’ve done. You’ve made me and Carpe agree on something. I may never forgive you for that.

  30. bowersville says:

    “Fleming represents more of that new Republican movement that is going to have to start up for the party’s survival.”

    That statement has to be in the finals as O’Reilly’s most ridiculous item of the day.

    The only paradigm shift going on is Fleming running from his establishment candidate status.

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