Olbermann names Broun “worst person.”

Some might wear it as a badge of honor but MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann named Cong. Paul Broun the “worst person of the day” yesterday for getting some facts wrong regarding illegal immigration. Of course by posting this on Peach Pundit, more people will see it than saw it live, but hey we’re here to help. Notice Olbermann’s mispronunciation of Broun’s name.

Here’s the data Cong. Broun got wrong:

“This is a national security problem,” Broun told the lawmakers. “I’m told by people who are involved in helping just monitor the border that roughly 40 percent of the people that are intercepted crossing our border are not Mexicans.”

(Actually, the official stats for FY 2007 show slightly less than 7 percent are OTMs, or “Other than Mexicans.” The ASICs, or “Aliens from Special Interest Countries” — most anywhere in the Middle East and a chunk of South Asia — totaled 297. That’s three-hundredths of 1 percent. Still, it’s not zero, so let’s continue.)

36 comments

  1. boyreporter says:

    It’s worth watching Olberman (8pm MSNBC) just for his mocking of Bill O’Reilly. He gets the insufferable boob zackly rat.

  2. John Konop says:

    SpaceyG

    I realize that feel good talking points are easier, but dealing with facts takes you beyond being a partisan hack who thinks issues have no meaning only rooting for your party like you are a die hard football fan matters.

  3. Carpe Forem says:

    In Congressman Brooon’s defense, I found this:

    In March of 2006 the Pew Hispanic Center (PHC) estimated the undocumented population ranged from 11.5 to 12 million individuals[39], a number supported by the US Government Accountability Office (GAO)[40]. Using data from March of 2004, PHC estimated that 57% of this population comes from Mexico; 24% from Central America and, to a lesser extent, South America; 9% from Asia; 6% from Europe and Canada, and the remaining 4% from elsewhere.[41]

    If this is wrong, maybe the congressman’s staff needs to quit using wikipedia to do their research.

  4. CobbGOPer says:

    Oh, but the bigger news is that Bill Gates blames outsourcing on tighter immigration policies.

    Um, no Bill. How can you be so smart and yet still be so stupid?

    Jobs get outsourced and companies move overseas because our outrageously complicated, confiscatory, contradictory tax system costs them so much money, they have to move overseas to protect their interests.

    We have the workforce here to do the job. If the government would stop taxing us all into oblivion, we could put those people to work, instead of sending their jobs overseas.

  5. curt flood says:

    I am troubled by the fact that the Murrah Federal building in OKC was bombed by a couple of Midwestern white boy ‘merkins. I say: Secure our borders. US out of America!

  6. Romegaguy says:

    by using the phrase “Cong Paul Broun” Buzz shows that he is a part of the conspiracy to cover this up. Ditto for Olbermann. If GOPeach was here, she could tell us how Bain is behind this

  7. Loren says:

    The fact that both world trade center attacks had illegal immigrants involved does not bother you?

    Did any of them get into the US by crossing the Mexican border?

  8. John Konop says:

    Loren

    FYI

    …The terrorists are foreigners, most or all of whom should not have been allowed to live in our country. As FBI Director Robert Mueller admitted, at least some of the hijackers were “out of status,” i.e., they had no proper immigration documents. It should be repeated over and over again: The terrorism threat is from illegal aliens who are allowed to live in our midst — and this is a failure of our immigration laws and our immigration officials. ….

    http://www.eagleforum.org/psr/2001/oct01/psroct01.shtml

  9. Loren says:

    John,

    That’s all good and well, but Broun framed the issue as being one of security along the Mexican border. If none of the WTC attackers entered the US illegally via the Mexican border, then they’re pretty darn irrelevant to the discussion of the Mexican border. They would certainly be germane to a debate over US immigration security in other respects (e.g. expired visas, fraudulent documentation), but appealing to them in a debate over our southern border is just diversionary.

    (Besides, if you were a terrorist and you planned to sneak into the US over the border for some reason, which country would you fly into first in order to do so: Mexico or Canada?)

  10. boyreporter says:

    Right, Loren. Very well put. Let’s not forget that the 9/11 hijackers were religious zealots (to put it mildly), and Timothy McVeigh was a rightwing nut, homegrown.

    So in their haste to pin America’s various woes (including security problems) on the Left, certain rightwing Christians posting hereabouts should pause and reflect on how much they themselves have in common philosophically with the aforementioned bad guys.

  11. BubbaRich says:

    In a few minutes of research, I have not discovered ANY of the 19 terrorists entered the country through the Mexican border, legally or illegally.

    If John Konop has information that they did, he needs to post it, or stop gassing about it as if it is relevant.

  12. John Konop says:

    Bubba

    It would be hard to argue that MS13 has not terrorized our country with METH, MURDER………..

    Mara Salvatrucha refers to large gangs involved in criminal activities in Central America and the United States. The gang names are commonly abbreviated as MS[1], Mara, and MS-13, and are composed mostly of Salvadorians, Guatemalans, Hondurans, and other Central Americans. The Mara Salvatrucha gangs have cliques, or factions, located throughout the United States and Latin America.

    The gang has moved beyond its Salvadoran and American origins and now can be found in other nations, including Canada, Mexico, Guatemala, Colombia, Spain, Great Britain and Germany, according to international press on criminal activity. Membership in the U.S.A. was believed to be about 20,000 and 100,000, world wide as of 2005.[2] MS-13 criminal activities include drug smuggling and sales, black market gun sales, human trafficking, assassinations for hire, theft, and assaults on law enforcement officials.[3]

    Many Mara Salvatrucha gang members from the Los Angeles area have been deported either because of their illegal status in the United States, or for committing crimes as non-citizens, or both. As a result of these deportations, members of MS-13 have recruited more members in their home countries. The Los Angeles Times contends that deportation policies have contributed to the size and influence of the gang both in the United States and in Central America. El Salvadoran authorities report that approximately 60% of prison inmates serving time for gang-related crimes there have either fled prosecution or been deported from the United States.[7]

    According to The Washington Times, MS-13 “is thought to have established a major smuggling center” in Mexico.[12] There were reports that MS-13 members were ordered to Arizona to target border guards and Minuteman Project volunteers.[13][14].

    In 2005, Honduran Security Minister Oscar Alvarez and the President of El Salvador raised alarm by claiming that Al-Qaeda was meeting with MS-13 and other Central American gangs to help them infiltrate the United States. FBI agent Robert Clifford said that the U.S. intelligence community and governments of several Central American countries found there is no basis to believe that MS-13 is connected to Al-Qaeda or other Islamic radicals although he did visit Central America to discuss the issue.[15]

    Robert Morales, a prosecutor for Guatemala, indicated to The Globe and Mail that some Central American gang members seek refugee status in Canada. Superintendent of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police integrated gang task force, John Robin, said in an interview that “I think [gang members] have a feeling that police here won’t treat them in the harsh manner they get down there”.[16] Robin noted that Canadian authorities “want to avoid ending up like the U.S., which is dealing with the problem of Central American gangsters on a much bigger scale”.[16]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mara_Salvatrucha

  13. boyreporter says:

    Yes, terrorism through METH, MURDER, and TAKING OUR JOBS IN CHICKEN PLANTS! What’s next, terrorizing our lawns and car washes and lettuce-picking? Forget Saudi Arabia’s disaffected zealots pissed off at our troops on their soil! The danger is swimming the Rio Grande…all the way to the White House, lethal broccoli sprouts ready to be flung at tall buildings! What are we going to do?????

  14. John Konop says:

    boyreporter

    FYI

    MS-13 controls much of the METH that is distributed in our Country.

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    The truth is, meth makes people feel good.

    That’s what it’s chemically designed to do.

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    This web site is about education.
    Here you’ll find all kinds of information about this devastating drug.
    What you won’t find is a lot of mandates.

    Ultimately, the choice between life or meth is up to the individual.

    Hopefully this information will help you make the right choice, or will help you help someone else make that choice.

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  15. jsm says:

    “If none of the WTC attackers entered the US illegally via the Mexican border, then they’re pretty darn irrelevant to the discussion of the Mexican border.”

    So what if those terrorists didn’t get here via the Mexican border?

    The issue here is whether the next terrorist who is successful at a 9/11-size event COULD come into this country via the Mexican border. Unequivocally, this is an absolute possibility. You act like terrorist organizations don’t have the brains to figure out where our vulnerabilities are.

    We ought to be proactive with measures to protect our homeland. Purely reactionary policies will only allow more death and destruction on our soil.

  16. boyreporter says:

    Three things:

    1) Yes, we need to be alert to terrorism of all kinds.
    2) Yes, we need far better border control.
    3) We also need to stop pouring death and destruction on other people’s soil. Works both ways.

  17. jsm says:

    “We also need to stop pouring death and destruction on other people’s soil. Works both ways.”

    Nice try at changing the subject, especially with a false premise. Will we ever overcome flower power?

  18. John Konop says:

    The reality is the current strategy of creating a strong federal government in Iraq is not working. The only solution is separate recognition of each group and move back toward the containment strategy. We also most get off the need of foreign oil. That means a compromise that will lower consumption with tougher standards,opens up exploration, use old technologies like nuclear and investing in new technologies.

    David Petraeus: Iraqis Not Making “Sufficient Progress”

    HP-With a Senate appearance looming to explain the success of President Bush’s surge in Iraq, Gen. David Petreaus has offered his starkest commentary yet on the state of Iraq reconciliation, reports the Washington Post:
    Petraeus, who is preparing to testify to Congress next month on the Iraq war, said in an interview that “no one” in the U.S. and Iraqi governments “feels that there has been sufficient progress by any means in the area of national reconciliation,” or in the provision of basic public services.

  19. boyreporter says:

    jsm (jizzum?),

    False premise? Jumping to “flower power” is a bit of a false…uh…conclusion?…

    How about we just use our brains instead of always (GW, listen up) going for the “git-me-tha-military-gonna-whup-some-sense-into-somebody” strategy. How’s that working out, by the way? Nine bodies a minute instead of ten bodies a minute is not exactly the road to success.

  20. jsm says:

    Nine bodies a minute? What the hee-haw does that represent (with reliable source, please)? I’m glad we don’t use your brain to make national defense decisions, considering these comments you’re making.

  21. boyreporter says:

    Jey, jizzum, lighten up. Nine bodies a minute? Ever hear of hyperbole? Making a point, dude. Do you need more sources than you see/read every day to know lots and lots of people are taking the unscheduled eternal dirt naps over there, and a tad fewer now and then does not much of an improvement make. And what does that “war” have to do with national defense?

  22. jsm says:

    boy,

    I don’t value your “hyperbole” when discussing numbers of deaths. American soldiers are in the desert fighting for our Nation’s interests and weeding out terrorist leaders. In fact, my brother has been there several times over the last 17 years, and I’ve heard the real story from those who are in the center of the action. I’m not interested in “lighten[ing] up” and letting your ignorance go unchallenged because you think it’s okay to throw in some exaggeration to make a fictional point and cheapen lost lives.

  23. boyreporter says:

    You’re an idiot. The “war” is not for our Nation’s interests and weeding out terrorist leaders. It was begun and continues to bleed us because W wanted to be a wartime leader. Got stuck. Stuck us with his misadventure (how’s attacking the wrong nation in our nation’s interest?), and keeps people like you with blood up to your elbows as you follow along, soaking up W’s bullshit. Worst president ever. Hurt this country in countless ways, likely never to fully recover. Now back under your blankie.

  24. boyreporter says:

    By the way, the person/personss who “cheapen lost lives” are the ones who cause the losses in the first place. Strutting, ignoramus W and his Kool-aid-drinking followers. But I guess that’s too much to handle emotionally. Once you realize who’s to blame, the mirror becomes a little scary. Live with it. And try to do better next time. The lives lost aren’t coming back, though. They don’t get another chance.

  25. jsm says:

    boy,

    You have every right to your uninformed opinion. Just don’t make light of lost American lives and expect anyone to respect your view.

    “If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.” – Samuel Adams

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