Paul supporters plan insurgency

I received this via e-mail earlier this afternoon. Supporters of Ron Paul are attempting to hijack the GOP convention:

Many Ron Paul supporters across Georgia have been working hard to elect Ron Paul supporters as delegates to the Republican National Convention. We have had success in most of the large counties (over 80,000 population) that selected their precinct delegates on February 16. It appears that we have the majority of the precinct delegates in several of the large counties. With your help, we will be successful in electing Ron Paul supporters to the Republican National Convention. Please commit to attending the following:

Precinct Mass Meeting and County Convention
this Saturday, March 15 at 9 am sharp

8th Congressional District Convention
April 19 at 10 am sharp in Warner Robins, GA

From our February experience in Houston and Bibb counties, all we have to do is SHOW UP! If we are successful at the congressional district level, we will ask for your help in electing even more delegates at the state convention in May. But for now, please commit to attending the meetings listed above.

Ron Paul supporters across the country have been very successful in the delegate process. Ron Paul has the majority of delegates in many states, and in one state we have 70% of the delegates! If the majority of delegates at the Republican National Convention are Ron Paul supporters – we will control the convention!

How does the convention process work? Counties with less than 80,000 population will hold mass precinct meetings at 9 am this Saturday, March 15. Don’t be late because those arriving at 9:01 am are not allowed to participate. I recommend arriving by 8:30. Delegates will be selected to represent each precinct. Usually there are more available slots than there are delegates, so if you just show up you can become a precinct delegate. Following the mass precinct meeting at precisely 10 am (again – don’t be late), all counties large and small will conduct their county convention where county delegates are selected. County delegates will represent your county at the 8th Congressional District Convention and the State Convention. Also, bring friends and vote for each other! The more Ron Paul supporters who show up, the better our chances will be. Strategically, it works better if we don’t advertise our goals or advertise that we are Ron Paul supporters at the county conventions.

I know Ron Paul supporters believe every primary was stolen but…Ron Paul lost. Get it over it. I voted for him in the primary, but I was embarrassed with the campaign he ran. I also found out a lot about the man (or at least things that were done in his name) that I wasn’t previously aware of.


  1. landman says:

    You have got to be kidding….right? What did he get across the board Primary wise…like 1/10 of a percent of the vote?

  2. Doug Deal says:

    So how does the delegate selection process work exactly?

    Precint delegates select county delegates? And county delegates selected district delegates? Or is there some other mechanism?

  3. shep1975 says:

    That’s pretty much it Doug with the addition that county delegates elect district and state delegates.

    I wonder if the Ron Paul people realize that under Georgia State Law the are required to vote for the winner of the Congressional district. Really, that only matters for Ron Paul supporters elected in McCain districts as all others have dropped out…but I think we covered this in a previous thread.

  4. AubieTurtle says:

    Judging from the amount of property vandalized by Paul supporters, consistency isn’t one of their strong points.

  5. StevePerkins says:

    Shep is absolutely right about delegates being “bound” to their district’s winning candidate (for at least the first round or two or voting, but that’s a moot point in this case). However, I don’t see any sign that the Ron Paul folks are confused over that. I believe that the point of electing pro-Paul delegates is to shape the platform debate. This “insurgency” therefore seems overblown for two reasons:

    (1) Honestly, does ANYONE outside of the most hardcore of political bloggers even pay attention to what’s in a major party’s platform? The Republicans have free-trade candidates, protectionist candidates, pro-life candidates, pro-choice candidates, etc, etc. In any given race, the real “platform” is whatever that candidate says he’s running on. The formal Party document is just a silly pissing match that activists engage in to pretend their convention is something more than a ceremonial pep-rally.

    (2) Putting all that aside, frankly the platform SHOULD be written by the people who show up. If Republicans want a platform that is more hard-right and less libertarian, then get off your butts and go to the meetings. Ninety-nine percent of life is just a matter of showing up… if your turnout is so low that a TINY group of people with different views are able to crowd you out, then it’s right and fair that things play out accordingly.

  6. Jason Pye says:


    Were you at the Paul rally at the Capitol last month where his state coordinator encouraged the crowd to go through the process to get elected delegates to throw the GOP convention?

  7. MikeS says:

    The hard right Constitution party is having its state convention in Macon the same day as the GOP County conventions. Most of the supporters of the Constitution Party were Ron Paul people and will probably go back to the Constitution or the Libertarian party this fall. So, I doubt there will be enough at the GOP convention to make any difference. There were no obvious Ron Paul people at my precinct meeting in Gwinnett.

  8. Rick Day says:

    Mike S. –

    keep underestimating us, its our strongest asset.

    Others: I thought you all already knew this? I’ve been watching this plot hatch for at least 3 weeks before the election.

    Right in my own smokeless filled back room, Bwahahhaa!

    Ron Paul quitting is like rope-a-dope.

    We ain’t done with you all yet.

  9. bowersville says:

    As a RLC member, this is a prime example of not becoming a member of the Libertarian party. The only dope that has been roped is any one who believes this idiotic tactic will bring anything other than disdain for the Libertarian party.

  10. Carpe Forem says:

    Don’t blame this on the Libertarian Party. Most big L libertarians became Libertarians because they saw no hope for both the DNC and GOP, due to having been lost to BIG GOVERNMENT statist. These are mostly new people, who have to learn for themselves how corrupt and close minded the major parties are to the ideas of Liberty. The Libertarian party offers them an alternative and a welcoming political home.
    As for the RLC, I admire your efforts. GOOD LUCK!

  11. bowersville says:

    If this tactic comes off Saturday, whatever en rodes the RLC has made into the GOP in Georgia will be dead by 5pm.

    If it’s taken to the Republican National Convention, the Libertarian Party is dead.

  12. bowersville says:

    Example: Ron Paul was just re-elected as a Republican in his home district. There is hope nationally and in the Georgia GOP, don’t kill it.

  13. Jason Pye says:

    You can’t blame this on the LP, nor the RLC. The Georgia RLC never endorsed Ron Paul, despite pressure to do so.

    Paul supporters are a mixed bag. Most of the hardcore supporters are anti-war protesters and 9/11 Truthers.

  14. Chris says:

    80% of the Ron Paul Supporters _are_ Republican. They may not have the best tactics, but their beliefs are the same as what the GOP should believe – limited government, free-markets, individual liberty and personal responsibility.

    As for the major difference between Paul supporters and the mainsteam of the GOP – Iraq – If the Federal Government actually focused its efforts on what it _should_ be doing – national defense – and not circle jerking around with education, building bridges to nowhere, and building a cradle to grave welfare safety net, they might not have bungled the operation as bad as they did.

  15. StevePerkins says:

    Were you at the Paul rally at the Capitol last month where his state coordinator encouraged the crowd to go through the process to get elected delegates to throw the GOP convention?

    The only delegates “bound” are those in districts where McCain won. Delegates from Romney or Huckabee districts are free to vote as they see fit, because those candidates officially dropped out. This is pretty much as it SHOULD be… that is the consequence of formally dropping out.

    However, as McCain has enough “bound” delegates to secure the nomination, there is no threat of the convention being “hijacked”. It just means that Paul might pick up a few more delegates than you were expecting. After what the GOP pulled on him in Louisiana, I’d say turnabout is fair play.

    Again, this is all as it should be… because these are the people who are showing up. Six month to a year ago, people said that Paul supporters didn’t exist. Then we out-fundraised the entire GOP field, and people said we were “just an Internet thing” (whatever that means). Now we have more boots on the ground in several GOP county affiliates than the old-guard itself does, and people say we’re some kind of sneaky “insurgency”. All this and WE’RE the ones with denial problems?

    I’m the first to admit that Paul’s not the best champion for some of his ideas, that his campaign wasn’t well-run, and that many of his supporters are batsh*t crazy. That notwithstanding, in many places there are more people motivated and excited by these ideas than there are people motivated by the current GOP party line. At SOME point, you guys should really stop making excuses about anti-Semitism and “9/11 Troofers”… and take a more honest and comprehensive look at why this might be.

  16. Chris says:


    As it has been told to me by people on the GA GOP State Committee – Huckabee and Romney supporters remain bound until officially released by their candidate. At that point the candidate can recommend his delegates vote for someone, but they are free to vote their conscience.

    AFAIK, neither Romney nor Huckabee (nor Fred, nor Rudy) have dropped out. They have suspended their campaigns, which means their delegates are still bound to them.

  17. StevePerkins says:

    Eh, well… there you go… so we’re basically back to talking about a platform debate. If the GOP is not asleep at the wheel (always a big “if”), then any attempt to cause a scene with the actual nomination itself should get shut down on procedural grounds right away.

  18. What are these folks going to do exactly? If they start a debate about what the platform should contain how is that bad? I welcome such a discussion.

    On the other hand if they want to talk about 9/11 conspiracies and such then it will be ugly.

    I hope these folks just want to come in and work for freedom and pull the GOP to the right economically. If that’s what they’re all about then I say welcome.

  19. NorthGeorgiaGirl says:

    Does anyone know if there is a penalty for a bound delegate attempting to vote for someone other than who they are bound to at the National Convention? Say a lot of these Ron Paul folks manage to get to the National Convention and refuse to vote for Huckabee or McCain or whomever they are bound to. Does it stick, or is there some penalty?

    I’m with Buzz, if these people are really interested in change, they should stick around and try to work for it. It should be about more than just getting Ron Paul the nomination. I don’t think many of them realize that they would be more effective if they worked to get like-minded people elected to local and state offices. I have often gotten the impression that many of the Paul supporters I have met don’t have the first clue about anything going on locally. They should run for school board, state house, Congress, etc.

  20. StevePerkins says:

    I’m pretty much in agreement with Buzz and NorthGeorgiaGirl. It’s true that there are a fair number of loonies in the Paul ranks, but I see those folks falling by the wayside and retreating to the Internet as the primary season winds down. The people who stick around will likely be those who favor small-government and are disgusted with Republican spending (which SHOULD fit in nicely with the GOP grassroots)… and those who think Iraq was an incredibly stupid mistake (which MAY challenge the GOP grassroots a bit).

    However, I look forward to the GOP grassroots addressing those perspectives directly, rather than dismissing them with ad hominem “crutches” (e.g. “some crackpot emailed my blog and said ‘I smell Hebrew’, therefore the other 99% of these guys have nothing worthwhile to say either…”).

  21. drjay says:

    if the nominee truly has control over the convention he will be able to have unfaithful delegates removed and replaced w/ alternates –or not seated at all during credentialing–its when the “politics” of a political convention would take place if there is a need for any–i remember in 96 when the religious right was probably at about the height of its influence in ga–there was a floor challenge to one of the delegates to the nat’l convention b/c she was perceived as too liberal–as i recall–she was pro choice–and she was removed from the slate and replaced–at the state convention it would probably take a fairly high level of coordination and organization for the ronulans to actually be able to do that sort of thing and this be an issue anyway…

  22. IndyInjun says:

    I say anyone who supports Isakson after today’s idiocy is totally nuts, so we Paul supporters won’t lack for company.

    The GOP is losing its last grasp on sanity when one of its senators – Isakson – proposes GIVING home buyers $15,000 rebates.

    Even Cynthia McKinney has a better handle on reality that that.

    No wonder oil is headed to $200 per barrel and gold today went to $1000. The inmates are running the USA asylum.

  23. StevePerkins says:

    Can someone start a thread on this Isakson thing? This is the first I’m hearing about it. I went to the AJC for more information, but all I could find was Britney Spears coverage and some swimsuit photos of Eliot Spitzer’s callgirl (sigh…).

  24. I Am Jacks Post says:

    This is much ado about nothing. Besides, those clowns won’t make it into the convention hall because they won’t be allowed to bring their foil hats in. Reynolds Wrap is considered a security risk.

  25. IndyInjun says:

    ProfG – I told you last year that you needed to run against Chambliss.

    I was not kidding.

    Chambliss and Isakson are so far out there in loony land that they make Cynthia McKinney look sane.

    All of my Ron Paul bumper stickers came off last week, but now I think I will put new ones on and leave them there permanently.

  26. Jimmy Daniels says:

    I am a Republican and currently serving the Ron Paul campaign by coordinating delegate support in Bibb County, Georgia. Additionally, I along with a number of other Ron Paul supporters will be attending the Bibb County GOP Convention as delegates. This is by no means a secret.

    In fact, I have had more than a few conversations with the Bibb County GOP Chairwoman, Debbie Varnadore, who is well aware that I support Ron Paul and his cause. Debbie is also aware that there is a relatively large group of delegates who are a part of this effort and has, to her credit, welcomed our enthusiasm and desire to support the GOP and its platform.

    It should also be noted that in coordinating this effort I have always stressed the need to involve ourselves in the Republican Party (and to be committed for the long-term locally) if we are to achieve our primary goal of returning the United States to its tradition of limited constitutional government, low taxes, free markets and sound monetary policy. This, too, is no secret.

    I am proud of what Ron Paul represents as a 10 term Republican Congressman and as a Republican presidential candidate.

  27. ProfG says:

    BTW, here’s the latest tally for McCain, and what remains in terms of bound delegates available until the convention:

    McCain has 1029 bound or pledged delegates. He STILL needs 162 bound delegates to reach 1191 bound delegates and “sew it up” before the convention.

    Of the remaining states:

    U.S. Virgin Islands (caucus) – April 5 – 6 bound and 3 unbound
    Pennsylvania (primary) – April 22 – 74 unbound
    Indiana (primary) – May 6 – 27 bound and 30 unbound
    North Carolina (primary) – May 6 – 69 bound
    Nebraska (primary) – May 13 – 30 bound and 3 unbound
    Kentucky (primary) – May 20 – 45 bound
    Oregon (primary) – May 20 – 27 bound and 3 unbound
    Idaho (caucus) – May 27 – 26 bound and 6 unbound
    South Dakota (primary) – June 3 – 24 bound and 3 unbound
    New Mexico (caucus) – June 3 – 29 bound and 3 unbound

    So McCain still needs at least 162 more bound delegates to reach 1191, out of the 283 left. Three of those remaining states, with 61 total bound delegates, are caucuses, where motivated die-hard activists can “surge” if McCain supporters feel it’s already “sewn up” and don’t show up to vote. Remember, there’s still one other Republican in the race — who will likely have at least 1/3 of the delegates at the Republican National Convention ready to throw their unpledged votes to him if it gets to a second vote (and maybe even on the first vote — violating party rules and even some state laws, including Georgia’s), so anything can happen at the RNC itself.

  28. Jason Pye says:

    The GOP needs a dose of limited government. If that is your intention, then I’m all for it. But what am I reading not is not what I heard on Feb. 2nd. The point made was to get elected delegates in an attempt to influence the nominating process.

    There are things about Ron Paul that bother me. He espouses the alarmism surrounding the immigration issue and has, much to my surprise, used protectionist rhetoric during debates.

    His xenophobia doesn’t surprise me, given the newsletters that were put out under his name, but the trade issue is something I can’t get past.

  29. drjay says:

    there are also over 100 “unbound” delegates that are committed to mccain at this point–the party has accepted mccain–it would take a mutiny for him to not win–his people will control credentialling and the floor even if there are pockets of resistence–most of the romney delegates will be w/ the mccain folks and there will not be enough votes to deny him anything at convention…

  30. ProfG says:

    drjay – you are assuming that all of those delegates — I mean the actual people, not just the numbers “assigned” after precinct & caucus results — are “committed to mccain”. All I’m saying is that most of those delegates — the actual people themselves — have not even been selected yet.

    I’m not sayin’ anything. I’m just sayin’.

  31. drjay says:

    it makes for interesting supposition–but it ain’t gonna happen any other way than the way its going to happen–mccain wins a 1st ballot nomination and a few fiesty voters might go for one of the other guys or even vote rush limbaugh or something silly like that –but there will not be any more drama than that…

  32. ProfG says:

    Oh, one more thing: RNC rules are such that delegates cannot vote against the presidential candidate’s vice-presidential pick. But that pick needs a majority of all delegates to win the nomination, and delegates are allowed to abstain. If a majority of six states’ delegations support another vice-presidential candidate, meanwhile, they can force a floor vote on that alternative. Six delegations are all that is required to contest a portion of the platform, too.

    So maybe we’ll have a convention… instead of a coronation? 🙂

  33. albert says:

    These Ron Paul folks should organize a countywide cleanup of all the trash they’ve spewn along the landscape. There’s vinyl banners dangling from bridges, 50 million signs. They obviously believe in free speech, but have failed in the basic responsibility of their own actions.

    I intend on authoring a resolution at the county convention askig them to clean up their mess.

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