nig•gard•ly |ˈnigərdlē|
adjectivenot generous; stingy : serving out the rations with a niggardly hand.
• meager; scanty : their share is a niggardly 2.7 percent.adverb archaic
in a stingy or meager manner.
The word is of Norwegian origins and has no etymological relationship with the word you are thinking of.
Stop emailing me that Buzz is a racist and get yourself a freakin’ dictionary. I have not one ounce of care that you feel aggrieved or insulted by someone’s use of a legitimate word you don’t know.
[Erick now returns to the streets of New Orleans for his vacation]
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And this proves the point about the “potentially uneducated” part of my comment.
Actually, what it proves is that there are a lot of us who will sincerely help you celebrate diversity any time, any place.
But those who choose to celebrate ignorance are on their own.
Ronin,
Do we not have a duty as citizens to educate the “potentially uneducated?”
OR, should this blog be renamed Peach Pundit Utopia where everyone acts like it’s San Francisco in the mid-1960s where everyone is just lovin’ life and smoking weed and there isn’t a care in the world?
Actually Bill, now that you mention it…
Icarus,
You had any good grass lately, Man? Who is your dealer, Man? I gotta go get me some bread, Man…Righteous…you is righteous, Icarus….
That post was so terse as to be almost niggardly.
I’m all for educating the uneducated. As I was trying to educate you and Buzz on at least one Conservative’s view of proper manners.
But what exactly was Buzz trying to educate with using that word in the post? (I guess this is more for Buzz.) Was it an attempt to differentiate the “etymological relationship” of that word from the racial epitaph? Or was it to be funny because of the previous day’s heated thread on the appropriate level of racial sensitivity of the party to which Buzz belongs?
If the former, I think Erik’s post is much more successful as it meets Derbyshire’s standard of decent behavior. (But since when did this become Etymological Pundit?) If the latter, then it doesn’t and I still think it is ungentlemanly (or worse, childish.)
Ronin,
Could you point out the sign to me that says “blog participants must always act gentlemanly (whatever the fark THAT means to you) and non-childish at all times while participating herein?”
I cannot find it anywhere…
Ronin, Part 2
However, I will tell you this: You’ve been quite niggardly in your participation on this blog. For someone who apparently does a whole lot of observing, this is the largest number of posts I’ve seen from you in one day…ever.
Bill,
GA interns have been stingy lately, you know.
Name the quote: “Girls just can’t hold the smoke, man, that’s what it is…”
Icarus,
I have no idea…but, in my Google search to find out, I came upon another site which gave me this Name the quote:
“You’re an idiot anyway. But if you say you get along with your parents, well, you’re a liar too.”
You are absolutely correct Bill, there is no requirement for any level of civility in blogging and/or political discourse in general. ( think that is a tragic consequence of our current political landscape that we cant have a decent debate without it devolving into an screaming match (be it in cyberspace or meatspace.)
Most electronic messaging forums have always been self-policing. (You’ve been around a while, you were probably using USENET in the early 90s just like me.) There were never any hard and fast rules only an etiquette. And the etiquette was different from newsgroup to newsgroup. If someone broke etiquette, someone called them on it.
If you or Buzz or anyone wants to act immature, that is totally up to you. But that doesn’t mean no one can call you on it.
As for the post issue, you are right. I read a lot and participate very little. The article I read on National Review struck a chord and seemed like a civilized Conservative making a great point.
Besides, can you point me to the sign that says all blog participants must post x number of posts per day.
Same movie, Bill. Same movie.
Where’s Demonbeck when you need some good 80′s music?
(sigh) I miss Peachy. I inspect emotionalism from him/her/it
You guys, like your party, are starting to drift…
On a Higher Note: wouldn’t it be funny if you were all closeted pot heads and didn’t know about the others?
That would be funny, huh?
expect
thats *expect*
If it were true, I’d suspect Bill was out; this explains his grumpiness.
What have you heard, Rick?
Free GOPeach!
Rick,
Have you experimented with that new way of smoking cigarettes I told you about?
” think that is a tragic consequence of our current political landscape that we cant have a decent debate without it devolving into an screaming match (be it in cyberspace or meatspace”
Ronin, you can pretty much blame that all on the Left-Wingers. After all, it was their favorite man-tree, Al Gore, who took the iniative to start the Web.
Had it not been for him, there would be no such thing as a “blog.”
“the breakfast club”?
buzz can certainly speak for himself but i think the post from yesterday was related to “contraversy” over the weekend in that it was an homage to the specific incident from d.c. where one of the mayor’s aides resigned b/c an actual cty council member was to ignorant to know the diference between an epithet and an actual word..that guy was later apologized to and took a different job w/ the city and had no less than julian bind lobbying on his behalf—maybe we all need to take a little time to get educated i’v heard a rumor that you cannot take everything you see on the internet at face value…
oops i made a typo on julian bond’s name–i hope tat doesn’t mean i’m now racist as well…since the name i mispelled belongs to a person of color
Racist? No. In poor taste? You bet.
I doubt Buzz used the archaic word to be immature or childish. I believe his intent was to bring the discussion of the last few days full circle which just occurred.
Racist? No. In poor taste? You bet.
Just to be clear, I never accused Buzz of being racist (just childish.) Erik stated someone sent him notes saying Buzz was racist but it wasn’t me.
Rugby,
Thus my joke about Andi and his camels. Poor taste, yes. Racist? The answer from you should have been “no”.
But, all you did was whine and blame me for being a racist.
Apparently, you’re not as bright as I thought.
Well Bill thats interesting because you proved how dumb you are.
Your statement was directly based on race and ethnicity, making it both racist and in poor taste.
This is just bad taste.
Ronin, more than one person sent me outraged notes.
Rugby,
You REALLY don’t have a clue as to what “racism” is. Declaring that I am one because I made a joke about the heritage of someone’s ethnicity does not make me a “racist.”
If you’ve ever seen a photo of Andy on his column, it is HE who is wearing the usual Middle-Eastern head garb. WHY would that be if he was born in Annapolis, MD, USA, and, (as he declared to me on the phone yesterday) he lives his life as a white guy?
Because he’s making a statement about his heritage, Rugby. He’s actually making a joke about his heritage. He doesn’t live that life at all.
Thusly, you are nothing but a well-disguised screaming liberal who knows absolutely NOTHING about what is and what is not racism. You’re about as advanced an intellect in that realm as Jesse Jackson or Vincent Fort who see racism at every turn of life.
Bill:
Your comment was racist. If you can’t see why making a statement based on racial stereotypes that would come across as offensive is racist, then you are a fool.
I’m pretty sure that I only labeled your comment as racist.
I’ve read Andy’s columns and from what I remember, his photo is sans headgear.
“Thusly, you are nothing but a well-disguised screaming liberal ”
Well once again you make assumptions about my political ideology, or what I think. Something you accused liberals of doing when they say something is racist. For the record, I am a conservative. If your vision of conservatism does not leave room for people to be sensitive and avoid any appearance of being offensive, well then, I guess in your eyes I would not be a conservative.
Moreover, I don’t see racism at every turn in life, I simply pointed out your racist comment. As I said before, if you don’t believe what you said and wrote it merely for the sake of shock value, then you are a fool.
With all due respect, you challenging someone’s intellect means about as much as GOPeach doing so. Debates with you carry the same rigor as if I were debating a wall, and I mean that in the best way possible. I’ve yet to see you able to carry on a sensitive discussion without using logical fallacies, ultimately crying about what was said, challenging your adversaries’ intellect (cf: above), shouting, losing all sense of rationality, losing all sense of composure, acting in a manner befitting an adolescent, would you like me to go on?
Although, I wish I could live your life. You are completely infallible and every one else should subscribe to your thinking. If I could live with such arrogance and pompousness, life would be much easier.
At any rate, you have proved beyond a doubt that engaging in a discussion with you–if it can be called that, I believe you shouting is a better description–is worthless and a daft decision. You are always correct on every matter.
Well enjoy yourself Bill. I hope that someday we all can live with your sense of self importance bravado.
Right, Rugby. Take the “victimhood” stance. I’m surprised you didn’t reduce your arguement by saying “Bill is being mean to me!”
When did I play the victim? Are you trying to prove you are a fool?
Have a wonderful day Bill.
God Bless you, Rugby.
And God Bless the Children
Bill and rugby
Are you guys having beers on Sunday?
Bill-
I encourage you to keep flailing. It’s entertaining.
However, your inability to keep your facts straight is really getting on my nerves.
First of all, I wasn’t born in Annapolis. I’ve never even been to Annapolis.
Secondly, I never said anything to you on the phone about living my life “as a white guy.” That’s not a phrase, or formulation I would use. I live my life, period. You’re the one obsessed with race, not me.
During our chat, I asked you what color you thought my skin is. You said white-ish — then you launched into a monologue about self-loathing white people.
Thirdly, the so-called Middle Eastern garb to which you referred above was a yellow cotton napkin from a restaurant press kit.
You’re so aggressively ignorant you looked at a cotton napkin and a name you can’t pronounce and saw “Middle Eastern garb.” Why? Because you’re racist — against Marylanders with napkins on their heads.
What a sad man you are.
FYI, here’s a picture of the “usual Middle-Eastern head garb” to which Bill refers:
http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/readers_picks/Content?oid=10312
Very traditional indeed!
There are women all over the Middle East wearing that same sweatshirt!
You’re a fool, Bill.
Andi, Andi, Andi…
Let’s go over this step-by-step:
1) Thank you for the link to your picture wearing the head garb. I honestly never examined it too closely for the fine detail of it being a sweatshirt. This is probably due to the fact that the sh*t you write is not worth my time, so examining your picture for any time longer than 2 seconds is ALSO not worth my time.
MOST people, though, on examining it quite briefly, would associate it with a person who is from, sayyy…Saudi Arabia, or some other Mid-East country (except Israel, of course). That’s not, by the way, a “racist” observation. One only need to watch the news to see these amazing scenes from the Middle East where they show inhabitants of certain countries WEARING head garb like this. George Bush even held hands with one such MAN who had a similar garb around HIS head…just like yours, Andi.
(Note to Rugby: You DENIED that Andi ever had any kind of picture like this, and you “read Andi all the time.” WTF do YOU know about facts?)
2) With regard to my statement of YOU being from “Annapolis, MD”, I could not find an instance of YOU denying this post back on 4/26/2007 on the Loaf Website:
RE: ‘The wittiest person in Atlanta’
Posted by ThaBeezer on 04.26.07 @ 10:46 AM
Mr. Nouraee is from MARYLAND, NRB, you troglodyte! Sweet Jeebus, learn to read. I welcome this addition to CL’s staff, because he is indeed a funny & interesting writer.
http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/BrowseComments?oid=oid%3A234714
So, if you are not from Maryland, then this poster was incorrect…and, golly gee, I was so wrong to assume the post was accurate.
3) You asked the question on the phone “What race do you think I am?” and, when I gave the answer “You’re probably white,” I actually cannot remember what you said…but, since YOU asked the question (readers, insert the word “moron” here), it must mean that YOU are the one focusing more on the race issue.
4) Regarding your “heritage”, according to YOUR statement (on the exact same Website page referenced above), you are of “Iranian descent”.
In Iran, on occasion, the human inhabitants used these funky looking 4-legged animals called CAMELS to transport themselves. That wasn’t a racist statement regarding you “sleeping with camels”..it was meant to be a joke, period. If you were upset with that reference, then, apparently, YOU have a problem with your own ancestory and, perhaps you need to consult a counselor on that.
How funny that you didn’t find anything wrong with my telling you you had “your head up your own ass for too long”…I suppose that statement hits the mark dead-on, especially after reading this tripe in your 2 posts above.
Finally…I’m “getting on your nerves”? Andi, truly, do you really think I give a sh*t whether YOU are POed at me?
You may think you’re a big shot…but, to the many hundreds of thousands/millions of Atlanta-metro area residents who DON’T read The Loaf publication…you ain’t sh*t. I know, that’s a shock to your fragile ego system.
Bill
A little help with facts most Persians do not consider themselves Arabs. And they have major culture differences. It would have been better if Bush and Hillary had read something about the Middle East prior to getting us into the Iraq war.
Iranian-Arab relations have always been very mixed. Within the Middle East historical conflicts have always colored neighbouring Arab countries’ perceptions about Iran. At times peacefully coexisting, while at other times in bitter conflict. North African Arabs from the Greater Middle East
Iran is a multi-ethnic and multi-language (mostly Persian) country. About 3% of Iranians are ethnic Arabs and native speakers of Arabic (see Demography of Iran).
Religion
Iranians are predominantly Shia muslims while Arabs (with the exception of Bahrain, Iraq, Kuwait and Lebanon), are predominantly Sunni Muslims.
Arab Christians generally follow Eastern Orthodox Christian sects, while Iranian Christians follow non-Orthodox Christian sects.
John,
That’s all fascinating. Really. So, if Iranians don’t consider themselves “Arab”, why do they join the Arabs in their hatred of the Jewish people? Why don’t they demonstrate they are truly “independent” thinkers in the region?
Bill
Read this first and than ask questions.
The long-standing Arab-Persian conflict in the gulf, combined with the desire of neighboring states for control of large oil reserves, has led to international boundary disputes. Iraq and Iran argued over navigation rights on the Shatt al Arab, through which Iran’s main ports and most productive oil fields are reached. Iran and the sheikhdom of Ras al-Khaima contested ownership of the oil-rich islands of Abu Musa and Greater and Lesser Tunb at the entrance to the gulf. Iranian forces occupied these islands in Dec., 1971, infuriating Iraq. The much-contested rights over the Shatt al Arab led Iran and Iraq into an 8-year war in the 1980s (see Iran-Iraq War ). In 1984 American and other foreign oil tankers in the gulf were attacked by both Iran and Iraq. The security of Persian Gulf countries was threatened throughout this war.
When Iraq invaded Kuwait in Aug., 1990, the Persian Gulf was once again a background for conflict. International coalition ground forces were stationed in Saudi Arabia and neighboring gulf countries in the Persian Gulf War (1991). Before Iraq was expelled from Kuwait in Feb., 1991, Iraqi soldiers set fire to over 500 Kuwaiti oil wells and dumped millions of barrels of oil into the Persian Gulf, causing an environmental crisis and threatening desalination plants throughout the area. The area again was the scene of warfare in 2003 when U.S. and British forces invaded Iraq. The Persian Gulf’s vast oil reserves make the area a continuing source of international tension.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1E1-PersGulf.html
Bill
One of the largest misconceptions about the Middle East is that they have a cohesive alliance between countries and tribes. The truth is they fight each other as much as Israel and they have weak strained alliances at best.
The bloody violent conflicts between tribes and countries have very little boundaries in the Middle East for a very long time. This is what Collin Powel meant when he said (Iraq) “you break it you own it”.
This is why after Reagan had disaster in the Middle East his foreign policy team created the containment strategy.
Read it….and…the Iraq-Iran dispute has absolutely nothing to do with Iran’s long-standing hatred of the Jewish people.
HOWEVER…I’m wondering if Andi and Rugby have pounced on this news about Google renaming the “Persian Gulf” to be the “Arabian Gulf.” Why, is Google now the center of all racist acts?
http://www.payvand.com/news/08/feb/1262.html
“One only need to watch the news to see these amazing scenes from the Middle East where they show inhabitants of certain countries WEARING head garb like this.”
-Bill Simon, Peach Pundit Fashion Correspondent, on the napkin-hat craze sweeping the Middle East.
You should go work for the CIA, Bill. Your sophisticated understanding of international headwear would make you very valuable.
If the CIA isn’t hiring, maybe you could audition for Project Runway: Al-Jazeera Edition.
Andi,
There’s another picture of you actually wearing the more formal head-wrap. It was what was used on your columns when you first started writing them. It may have been long deleted from the archives or never was made into a digital picture so that you could conveniently dig it up.
But, I didn’t imagine this, Andi. But, it’s okay…you can lie all you want to about it and deny that photo ever existed…because it’s easier that way if you’re never discovered to be a liar. You would be a perfect fit at The New York Times.
Andi, Part 2/Rugby, Part 239
YOU were the one who jokingly referred to yourself as being able to have “4 wives” due to being an “Iranian citizen by heritage.”
Reference:http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/BrowseComments?oid=oid%3A234714
SO, why exactly is it “racist” of me to make a joke about Andi spending too much time “sleeping with camels” when I have a disclosure from Andi that:
1) He has an Iranian heritgage
2) He pokes fun at himself by offering the fact that he has the right to have “4 wives.”
People who poke fun at themselves generally have a good sense of humor about themselves and don’t tend to get their panties in a wad when someone else cracks a joke about them, or some aspect of them.
“People” that is, EXCEPT for stupid-ass liberals, like Andi and Rugby.
It’s the same picture, Bill. The version you’re referring to was a crop without the purse showing. Same traditional restaurant napkin though.
Since I’m bald, I have a lot cold-weather snapshots of me wearing knit caps, or as I like to call them, Traditional Euro-American Scalp Coverings. Perhaps you’re thinking of those.
Regardless, if you can find the “formal head-wrap” photo to which you refer, I’ll quit my job.
Feel free to come by the office to peruse our print archives if you’re confident. I’ll buy you a traditional Middle Eastern Lunch (turkey sandwich with potato chips) just for the effort.
Bill,
I know coming from me it’s like the pot calling the kettle “black”, but this comment was dead on:
http://www.peachpundit.com/2008/03/03/niggling-little-details/#comment-116955
To be more specific, this exerpt from the above comment is dead on:
With all due respect, you challenging someone’s intellect means about as much as GOPeach doing so. Debates with you carry the same rigor as if I were debating a wall, and I mean that in the best way possible. I’ve yet to see you able to carry on a sensitive discussion without using logical fallacies, ultimately crying about what was said, challenging your adversaries’ intellect (cf: above), shouting, losing all sense of rationality, losing all sense of composure, acting in a manner befitting an adolescent, would you like me to go on?
Although, I wish I could live your life. You are completely infallible and every one else should subscribe to your thinking. If I could live with such arrogance and pompousness, life would be much easier.
At any rate, you have proved beyond a doubt that engaging in a discussion with you–if it can be called that, I believe you shouting is a better description–is worthless and a daft decision. You are always correct on every matter.
I think I’m going to have a traditional Middle Eastern lunch today, sans the potato chips…
Fine, Jace. The comment could be interpreted as being “racist”. It was intended to be a joke.
Apparently, on PP, we have many overly-sensitive people.
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