BREAKING: Mitt Romney To Drop Out [updated]

He may do it in the next thirty minutes at CPAC.

[UPDATE]: Mitt Romney withdrew. You can read my liveblogging of it here.

142 comments

  1. StevePerkins says:

    Heh… now the Fred! bandwagon gang is left with two unpleasant options:

    (1) Rally around the Huckster as their 4th or 5th choice, after yelling for months about what a big spending liberal he is, or

    (2) Finally acknowledging that there’s almost zero difference between Fred!’s and McCain’s voting records in the Senate… that Fred! even CO-SPONSORED some of the legislation that people bash McCain over (e.g. McCain-Feingold)… and that the only reason why the former is “Reagan’s heir” while the latter is “a liberal traitor” is because the latter doesn’t hate Mexicans enough.

    Either choice would amuse me to no end! Lay your cards on the table, Fred! folks!

  2. jsm says:

    Steve, I laid my cards on the table long ago. After Fred left the race, I have no candidate. I’ve been sitting back watching each party choose from its less-than-best.

  3. debbie0040 says:

    I made it clear weeks ago that I preferred McCain over the Huckster. I posted yesterday that I supported McCain because he was the nominee.

    I urge supporters of all other candidates to do the same. I have disagreements with Sen McCain but have much larger disagreements with Clinton and Obama. I think Sen. McCain will hear our conservative voices as his will listen to his base and reason…

    The Supreme Court Justices are aging and the next President will likely appoint at least two – three. I want Pres. McCain to do that not Pres. Clinton/Obama. I refuse to surrender the Sc to the Dems!!!

    McCain needs to concentrate on the general election not the upcoming primaries. The Huckster needs to do the stand up thing like Romney did. Huckabee needs to put the interests of the GOP and country before his own interests like Romney did.

    Romney did the right thing and I am very proud to have supported him.. I would expect nothing less from Romney.. Man, what a speech !!! He would make such a great VP !!!!

  4. debbie0040 says:

    Huckabee has no chance to win. He would have to win all the remaining delegates except 7 to secure the nomination.

    Ain’t going to happen Huckabee needs to put this own self interest aside and do the right thing like Romney did.

  5. RandyMiller says:

    I guess Limbaugh and Coulter are about to explode/implode!
    Look, I don’t know what the hell it is, but really rich people who’ve just got to president or else……and for what, out of the goodness of their hearts?? His constant smile led me to think he’s somewhat fake, (kinda like a boss who smiles the whole time he’s firing you)! Also the way he totally did a 190 on some issues seemed just a little desperate.

  6. GOPeach says:

    Mitt was the giant – Huckabee had 5 smooth stones: West Virginia, Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, and Arkansas!

    A modern day David & Goliath.

  7. Here’s what I said late Tuesday night Steve,

    Despite my numerous problems with McCain, I will vote for him in November for three reasons; a) he will aggressively prosecute the War on Terrorism, b) He promises to try to make the Bush tax cuts permanent and, c) He’ll fight wasteful spending.

    And no, I don’t hate Mexicans or any other Hispanic people. Immigration is not my biggest problem with McCain as you and I debated over a week ago.

    I don’t apologize for supporting Fred! or flirting with Huckabee or finally voting for Romney. All three would be a better President than McCain, but McCain will be the nominee and I’ll support him for the reasons stated above.

  8. Cameron says:

    I’m not trying to kick Romney while he is down, but it will be interesting to see how principled he actually is in his conservative. Will he support McCain which he said many times was a “liberal ” and not a “main stream conservative.”

  9. GOPeach says:

    BUZZ –

    You are funny…. like so many other republican establishment types you go with the ” in crowd” until they are OUT and then you move on like a political tramp….

    HUCKABEE is the ANCHORED ONE!

  10. CHelf says:

    I truly hope those thinking of bolting the party rethink this completely. This is not 1996 or any earlier campaign. Those willing to just give up on voting for the nominee must keep in mind that we are at war with extremism. We have economic issues facing our nation. This is not exactly just a ‘typical’ period in US politics. You can take a “cut and run” approach thinking we can just cut our losses and come back and try again in 2012 0r 2016. But if you truly are principled in your beliefs, are you willing to put the country in the hands of Hillary Clinton or Obama for 4-8 years? Again, in 1996, that thought may have been more reasonable (if that IS even reasonable). But think on this. We are still dealing with Iraq and Afghanistan. Helping Hillary/Obama means those in uniform will NOT complete their mission. Do you wish to take this approach to those in uniform? Think of the courts as well. Odds are even a single term of a Democrat will give them at least one seat to confirm to the SCOTUS. That can impact decisions for at least 2 decades. Think guns, speech, life, redistricting, etc. Think of lower courts as well. Think eocnomics. Think minimum wage. Think protectionism. Think regulations. Think taxes. Think jobs. Lastly, think on this. To those who think bolting the party and cutting so called losses is the proper way to go, think do you really want to be complacent in handing the keys of ALL THREE branches of government over to the Democrats? Do you want to hand this country over to a party that will strip every aspect of conservative, strict constructionist concepts currently in place? Do you want to give them at least 4 years only to set us back 20 years in court decisions and regulatory and economic effects? This is NOT just some little 4 years of Clinton or Obama just looking good for the cameras. This is 4 – in effect 20 years of liberal principles digging into the depths of policy. Hillary/Obama, Pelosi, and Reid taking control of the third branch of government and controlling our military and national security along with how we deal with Iran, Syria, North Korea, al Qaeda, the Taliban, Hamas, Hizbollah, etc. Just remember that a RISK of 4 years in the other direction has more than 4 years effect on our nation. The Dems on here will laugh at me for taking this route but those on the Right who think laying low and waiting is smart, it truly amounts to cut and run. Those thinking these thoughts do not realize that there are a completely different set of ends that do NOT justify these means.

  11. Cameron says:

    I totally agree Debbie, its time to rally around McCain and watch Obama and Hillary destroy each other.

  12. GOPeach says:

    WELL NOW…….

    Conventional wisdom gets shredded when people go to vote. I’d invest in crow; it looks like there may be a run on that commodity.

    Super Tuesday was a real myth buster (not to be confused with a Mitt buster). Here is what the collective wisdom of the voters taught us…..

    Myth 1: Conservatives are sheep who follow whatever there “leaders” say.

    That’s right folks. Even though the talking heads of “conservative” radio and Fox News blasted Sen. John McCain and Gov. Mike Huckabee in an unprecedented barrage of negativity, voters didn’t listen. They handed strategic victories to the pair.

    If you listen to Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck or other right-wing talking heads (all of whom I do listen to), you may think that conservatives are a monolithic block of people who walk in lock step with each other on every single issue.

    Of particular interest were Coulters promise that if the GOP didn’t endorse Mitt Romney, she’d support Sen. Clinton. Say hi to Hillary for me, Ann.

    The Super Tuesday dominance by Sen. McCain and Southern surge by Gov. Huckabee (which I predicted last week) proves that conservatives are much more complex. As I have said before, conservatives, based on my observations, seem to fall into three camps: social conservatives, fiscal conservatives and pro-military conservatives (hawks). Most of us conservatives care about all three, but we just have different priorities. For talk radio, immigration is the defining issue, followed by economic policy.

    Those are both important issues, but for some of us, protecting the life of unborn children and fighting the war against Islamic jihad is more important. The votes reflected that.

    Myth 2: Huckabee voters would go for Romney if Huckabee would only get out of the race.

    After Huckabee’s fourth place finish in Florida, Gov. Mitt Romney tried to convince the rest of us that Huckabee (who I support), was keeping him from uniting “true” conservatives, i.e. fiscal conservatives with a hard line on immigration. Huckabee was a “spoiler.”

    The reality is more likely the other way around, looking at the numbers. In the states that Huckabee won, McCain was second and Romney was third: Alabama, Arkansas Georgia and Tennessee. The notable exception was the West Virginia convention, where McCain and Rep. Ron Paul supporters moved into the Huckabee column to give him the win.

    But what about the states that McCain won where Romeny was second? Did Huckabee play a spoiler role? Hardly. Assuming 100 percent of the Huckabee votes would have gone for Romney had Huckbaee dropped out, the former CEO still couldn’t have closed the gap in Arizona, Connecticut, Delaware, Illinois, New Jersey or New York.

    On the other hand, In Oklahoma and Missouri, Romney was clearly a spoiler for Huckabee, where the gaps were a few percentage points between Huckabee (second) and Romney (third). If anyone was thwarting the alleged “collective will” of conservatives, its Romney.

    The Huckabee narrative really falls apart when looking at Gallup Poll second-choice data. The USA Today reports, “In our latest USA Today/Gallup poll Huckabee supporters were asked for whom they would vote if the race came down to John McCain or Mitt Romney. The results? McCain wins over Romney as the second choice of Huckabee voters by more than a 2 to 1 margin, 64 percent to 28 percent. Indeed, McCain beats Romney 42 percent to 24 percent with Huckabee in the race (Huckabee gets 18percent of the vote, Ron Paul gets 5 percent, and Alan Keyes gets 2 percent). With a narrowed-down ballot focused just on McCain and Romney (forcing Huckabee voters to choose between the two front-runners), McCain wins 53 percent to 30 percent — a slightly expanded margin.”

    Myth 3 Mike Huckabee destroyed the Republican Party in Arkansas.

    Several well-meaning, vocal members of the GOP in Arkansas have sent out the message to would-be-Huckabee voters in other states: Huckbaee destroyed the GOP in Arkansas. Huckabee certainly did infuriate the anti-immigration crowd.

    I always contended that when Huckabee was on the ballot, Republicans showed up to vote, and when he wasn’t they lost. Of course, 2006 was a bad year for Republicans all around — but it certainly hurt the Arkansas GOP not to have Huckabee bringing people to the polls that year.

    The Arkansas GOP put out a press release Wednesday saying that the GOP turnout in the Super Tuesday Arkansas primary was the largest since at least 1992. What drove that turnout? Even though many conservative and Republican leaders in Arkansas had endorsed other candidates because of trivial disputes with Huckabee, voters turned out for Huckabee. Huckabee won 60 percent of the Arkansas vote. In Arizona, McCain only won 47 percent of his home state. In Massachusetts, Romney barely won half of his home state.

    Myth 4: Without tens of millions of dollars, you can’t be competitive.

    I did some pre-Super Tuesday research and found that Huckabee spend around $12/vote, compared to McCain’s $32/vote and Romney’s $77/vote. Romney has spent almost $100 million to stay competitive with Huckabee, who has spent less than $10 million. Money may help the world go around, but it can’t buy you an election.

  13. Carpe Forem says:

    Why not Romney for veep? The fact he dropped out today makes me wonder if a deal was made. McCain said he was lacking in economics, plus he’ll be to busy conquering the world to worry about domestic stuff… couldn’t Mitt catch his slack.

  14. GOPeach says:

    I HAVE FOUGHT for months for HUCKABEE on this blog… battle after battle…. you all have called me and the Huckabee supporters every name in the book … that’s okay – I am STILL HERE and so is HUCKABEE!

  15. debbie0040 says:

    Go to that link and read the transcript of Romney’s speech . Sure sounds like is running for VP.

    Except for Peach, we are all on the same team again! We can start fighting the Dems instead of each other…

    We might just defy conventional wisdom and hold on to the Whitehouse…

  16. Cameron says:

    I thought that speech was great. I might have been the only one (well obviously not), but I did not see that Mitt Romney during his campaign.

  17. GOPeach says:

    Oh Debtser …

    You will never win HUCKABEE’s BASE over to your side. You have shot yourself in the foot… You are far from being a consensus builder –

    Don’t flatter yourself… you have insulted the HUCKABEE supporters … over the top. REMEMBER stupid – WE WON GEORGIA!!!

  18. StevePerkins says:

    Taking a step back, Buzz… I’m probably being a bit unfair. The GOP base’s problem with McCain probably isn’t that he doesn’t hate MEXICANS enough (although I contend that this is a factor).

    The central problem is that he doesn’t hate DEMOCRATS enough. Most partisans just want to sit back and yell at the other side. They don’t want to achive the best solution possible, because they’d rather fantasize about the best solutions that AREN’T possible (i.e. getting a filibuster-proof majority, controlling the White House and Supreme Court, and expecting that leaders will proceed to carry out the Party’s agenda rather than just look out for themselves). McCain’s not liked because he’s willing to work across the aisle, and that makes the party purists sick to their stomach.

    And now, since GOPeach has found this thread, I’ll be seeing you guys later.

  19. Harry says:

    Europe is facing a demographic disaster. That is the inevitable product of weakened faith in the Creator, failed families, disrespect for the sanctity of human life and eroded morality. Some reason that culture is merely an accessory to America’s vitality; we know that it is the source of our strength. And we are not dissuaded by the snickers and knowing glances when we stand up for family values, and morality, and culture. We will always be honored to stand on principle and to stand for principle.

    -Mitt Romney, Feb. 7, 2008

  20. drjay says:

    GOPeach // Feb 7, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    Good point Steve!

    McCain doesn’t hate democrats enough!

    i don’t think steve was trying to say that it is a positive attribute to harbor such hatred…

  21. GOPeach says:

    It’s not a harboring of hatred… C’mon – I know what he meant by that. He meant that McCain is too much like a democrat to be a trues conservative. That is common knowledge.

  22. Brian Laurens says:

    What a sad day. Irony is that Romney won my support when he announced a year ago today; at CPAC

  23. drjay says:

    i do not think he meant that either–it was more a point that many of my fellow gop’s like to make good the enemy of better–if there is a compromise available to get 80% of what we want many in the party are steadfast in their desire to have nothing and like it as opposed to actually working to get something done–its why the “gang of 14” thing irritated so many –mccain and lindsay and some pretty conservative dems like nelson found a way to help get good conservative judges confirmed but the all or nothing crowd on the way, way right can’t see the forest for the trees and chooses to castiate mccain over it instead…

  24. jsm says:

    Hey Mitt – now you will know what it feels like to be broke!

    Yeah. It must be pretty scary seeing your personal wealth dip toward only $200 million.

  25. GOPeach says:

    I know Washington DC is another world – Until any of us serve in the Senate, we will have no idea how hard it is to PLAY ALONG …

    I am not downing McCain for having to “work across the isle .. it’s he 100 years of war – I am not fond of among many other issues. He has NEVER been in the EXECUTIVE branch of government. There is a big jump from Senate to Oval Office – big jump.

  26. debbie0040 says:

    Peach, are you that delusional that you think Huckabee can still win?
    You will still be saying that at McCain’s Inauguration…

  27. debbie0040 says:

    GOPeach // Feb 7, 2008 at 2:09 pm

    Oh Debtser …

    You will never win HUCKABEE’s BASE over to your side. You have shot yourself in the foot… You are far from being a consensus builder –

    Don’t flatter yourself… you have insulted the HUCKABEE supporters … over the top. REMEMBER stupid – WE WON GEORGIA!!!

    Peach, many Huckabee supporters see the writing on the wall and are resigned to support a McCain candidacy. Almost 2/3rd of voters in Georgia voted against Huckabee. Romney won the donut counties. Face realty…

    Get back on your meds and quit irritating everyone…

  28. GOPeach says:

    I have a thing called – FAITH!

    When everyone says, “Give up,”
    Hope whispers, “Try it one more time.”

    Consider the postage stamp: its usefulness consists in the ability to stick to one thing till it gets there.

  29. GOPeach says:

    PLEASE KNOW THAT HUCKABEE people are NOT going with MCCAIN!!!

    Mitt Romney and Fox News will NOT TELL US WHAT TO DO!!!!! We are with HUCKABEE until the end…

    We are not political whores – we are FAITHFUL!

  30. ConservativeCaucus says:

    Romney did an honorable thing. Huckabee has a short time to make his case to be the conservative alternative.

  31. Dave says:

    Romney would NEVER be second banana to McCain, they hate each other too much. Huckabee will wet himself to become VP, make no mistake about that. The VP slot goes to Crist in FL. It’s over, Mike.

  32. Chris says:

    Steve…

    Finally acknowledging that there’s almost zero difference between Fred!’s and McCain’s voting records in the Senate

    Its not their voting record that made Fred! appeal to me. It was the fact that Fred was actually talking about Federalism. The only other candidate who emphasized that was Rudy – and Rudy did it to cover for his being pro-choice.

    I’ll have no qualms voting for McCain-XXXX so long as the XXXX != Huckabee.

  33. debbie0040 says:

    Conseravative Caucus, you do realize that Huckabee would have to win all but 7 of the remaining delegates to secure the nomination?

    There are primaries this weekend. If Huckabee does not win all but 7 delegates he has no shot at winning the nomination. Huckabee needs to stop thinking about himself and get out…

  34. ConservativeCaucus says:

    I understand that it is a hard road ahead. McCain has 720 delegates according to RCP. I do want to avoid a brokered convention, and yes, I understand that things need to break Huckabee’s way in a hurry to do that. I don’t see the math for 7 delegates. Show that to me please. If that is the case, then yes, the only way he does that is at the convention… that would be tough on the party.

  35. Romegaguy says:

    It would seem that Shirley Roper I mean GOPeach was elected to represent all of the Phuckabee supporters. Anyone know if she was sworn in?

  36. GOPeach says:

    The HUCKABEE Campaign has been kissed by God for the past few months! Like it or not … Who is still standing ?

    ONLY THE STRONG SURVIVE!

  37. GOPeach says:

    McCain got Booooooooed on IMMIGRATION!!

    They held their noses and gave him a courtesy clap.

    That will not have to do that with HUCKABEE!!!

  38. Cameron says:

    Maybe this is a stretch but if Hillary wins and doesn’t pick Obama would McCain consider the possibility of having an African American VP. Maybe someone like JC Watts? Just a thought.

  39. GOPeach says:

    Look folks…. Mitt Flop knows the polls show Huckabee STRONG in Texas, Kansas, and Louisiana. Romney did not have a snow balls chance in hell … he was smart.

    HUCKABEE still STANDS!

  40. debbie0040 says:

    http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/02/06/national-delegate-count-tally/

    McCain 613 delegates, to 269 for Romney and 190 for Huckabee in incomplete counting. It takes 1,191 to win the GOP nomination.

    http://www.reliablepolitics.com/2008/01/delegate-count.html

    · States left and delegate count:

    W Winner Take All C Closed Primary

    Louisiana 02/09 47 C

    Washington 02/09 40

    Kansas 02/09 39 C

    Virginia 02/12 63 W

    Maryland 02/12 37 C

    District of Columbia 02/12 19 W C

    Wisconsin 02/19 40

    Texas 03/04 140

    Ohio 03/04 88

    Rhode Island 03/04 20

    Vermont 03/04 17 W

    Mississippi 03/10 39

    Pennsylvania 04/22 74 C

    North Carolina 05/06 69

    Indiana 05/06 57

    Nebraska 05/13 33

    Hawaii 05/16 20 C

    Kentucky 05/20 45 C

    Oregon 05/20 30 C

    Idaho 05/27 32

    New Mexico 06/03 32 C

    South Dakota 06/03 27 C

  41. ConservativeCaucus says:

    Bill,

    I thought you kind of liked McCain… why don’t you think that ticket would work? I think it would work quite well. I am interested to hear your take.

  42. Cameron says:

    I wonder if African Americans frustrated over Obama not being on the ticket might look at a Republican ticket with an African American.

  43. debbie0040 says:

    The delegate count has changed from the totals I posted. It is more of an uphill battle for Huckabee.
    Candidate Delegates
    Mike Huckabee 190
    John McCain 703
    Ron Paul 14
    Mitt Romney 293
    Total 1,200

    I would find it extremely difficult time to support a ticket with Huckabee on it.

  44. Cameron says:

    I think Huckabee has earned the right to stay in the political picture for the future. I commend him for that, but now is the right time to exit and support the party.

  45. ConservativeCaucus says:

    Debbie,

    Although the delegate count for the three is not complete, your point is well-made. There are 1008 delegates left (and Huckabee will not win DC), and depending on the shake-out in states like Georgia (many are still not determined), Huckabee will be somewhere between 197-225.

    I concede your point.

  46. Cameron says:

    I saw where there is a dreft Haley Barbour for VP organization. He sounds pretty good, but have you ever been to Mississippi. Not the crowning jewel of the United States.

  47. GOPeach says:

    A BEE is not supposed to fly.
    Against all odds the BEE flies.

    HuckaBEE has campaigned against the CLINTON machine 4 times and WON!!!!

    A Governor trumps a Senator – One of 50 is greater than one of 100!

  48. debbie0040 says:

    CC, we all need to meet and mourn the fact neither of our candidates won.

    We need to focus on defeating Hillary Obama…

  49. drjay says:

    i think an a.a. on the gop ticket will be looked at as quite gimmicky and work out about as well as ferraro did for the dems–not that i do not think watts would be a good choice for mccain otherwise-as a movement conservative, class of 94, and all that–steele is not an option, nor is rice

  50. CHelf says:

    Now we need to start a movement in the remaining Dem primaries that allow crossovers to vote for Hillary. Give Hillary a few pennies and cross on over and vote for her.

  51. Harry says:

    Huck and Obama have a similar problem…there are not too many delegates left to be decided south of the Mason-Dixon line.

  52. It’s funny to be called a ‘party purist’ be a guy who’s purity requires he vote for a guy who cannot win.

    Look Steve, I’ve explained my problems with McCain. It has nothing to do with racism or Demophobia or any other moral defect.

    I always try to find and support the most conservative candidate who has a chance to win. McCain was way down that list, but now the primary is all but over, McCain’s the nominee, and as such he’ll get my vote. I’ll support him on issues we agree on and oppose when when he’s wrong. 😉

  53. GOPeach says:

    HUCKABEE GRASSROOTS TO ROMNEY SUPPORTERS:

    GIVE MIKE ANOTHER LOOK
    HucksArmy troops: Huckabee’s conservative credentials are real
    McCain will struggle to beat Hillary or Obama in the South — Huckabee won’t

    WASHINGTON, D.C. — The 17,000 grassroots “troops” of HucksArmy.com are encouraging Gov. Mitt Romney supporters to take another look at Huckabee. They have set up a welcome and question and answer forum at http://forum.hucksarmy.com where Romney and Huckabee supporters can interact.

    “Although many have been misinformed, we really believe that Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney have similar credentials and conservative positions,” said Lucas Roebuck, Public Affairs Officer for HucksArmy.com.

    NO TAX INCREASES: Both Huckabee and Romney signed the Americans for Tax Reform Taxpayer Protection Pledge. John McCain has not signed the pledge (atr.org).

    ENERGY INDEPENDENCE: Both Huckabee and Romney have said energy independence is vital for American security and would make it a top priority of the administration.

    GUBERNATORIAL EXPERIENCE: Both Huckabee and Romney believe that the experience of being governor is most beneficial when preparing for the presidency. Romney was governor for a term in Massachusetts; Huckabee was governor of Arkansas for over a decade.

    SECURE THE BORDER NOW: Both Huckabee and Romney opposed amnesty. Both support getting the Mexican/American border fence done in the first months of the next president’s term.

    SANCTITY OF LIFE: “We must promote a culture of life,” said Romney. No candidate has done more to promote life than Mike Huckabee, according to the National Right to Life PAC.

    Huckabee supporters also believe Huckabee is the most electable GOP candidate at this point.

    “Republicans don’t win if they don’t carry the south,” Roebuck said. “McCain may be polling well in national polls, but how will he do against an Obama or Clinton in the critical Southern states? Both Barack and Hillary have a unique appeal to the South that only Huckabee can negate.”

    If Obama is the candidate, Huckabee’s oratory excellence will be critical in national Republican debates.

    “Huckabee is clearly the best GOP debater,” Roebuck said. “He’s the one who will be able to face down the siren rhetoric of Obama in the general election.”

    About HucksArmy.com
    With core values of faith, family and freedom, HucksArmy.com is an online grassroots movement not owned or operated by any candidate or political campaign. With more than 17,000 recruits, HucksArmy.com is dedicated to mobilize support for candidates who honor God and country.

  54. Bull Moose says:

    Haley Barbour can’t be the VP. That will be toast. He’s a lobbyist. Can you imagine what the Dems would do with that?

    Crist can’t be the VP, he just got elected Gov in FL.

    Picking Romney would be seen as too gimicky and would backfire.

    My thoughts, in no particular order:
    Governor Tim Pawlenty, MN
    Governor Mark Sanford, SC
    former Governor Mike Huckabee, AR
    former Governor and Senator George Allen, VA

    Those are just a few thoughts…

  55. Painterman says:

    The VP will have to be a Southerner. Will it be Huckabee? I think not. Of course I haven’t gotten my fax from God yet to tell me for sure. I’m thinking Thompson as they are friends and I think this was in the works all along now that I look back at it. As much as I disliek McCain, if Thompson is the VP I think I could get behind that ticket.

  56. jsm says:

    I’m thinking Thompson as they are friends and I think this was in the works all along now that I look back at it.

    The only problem with this is that Fred will be in his seventies in 8 years. I think McCain picks someone younger who would have a chance to succeed him.

  57. Ms_midtown says:

    Republicans — Wait on your VP pick.
    Let the Dems go first.
    You want people to watch your convention.
    Announce VP to counter Democratic momentum after their convention.

  58. CHelf says:

    jsm – exactly. I think with his age as a potential issue he looks for someone younger and setting up a continuing legacy. If there is one major criticism (actually there is more) of Bush it would be that he is not a ‘legacy’ President. He did not have a VP to continue his agenda. He did not build up a base and party to “carry on the work”. I believe McCain would pick smartly in that regard. I think he would choose someone who would be in the continuation concept. Romney is 61 or will be soon. This means at the 2013 inauguration he would almost be 66. By the next inauguration he would be 70. Romney’s only chance is getting VP or hoping for a McCain failure. I think McCain would look elsewhere.

  59. Bill Simon says:

    CCaucus,

    It’s not McCain that would be the problem on that ticket, it’s Huckabee.

    In his campaign, Huckabee proposed at least 2 new Constitutional Amendments, both of which are based on an extremely intolerant religious view of society.

    If you are a “true conservative”, the last game you want to start is amending the Constitution.

    I believe we would get creamed if Huck was on the ticket because those 2 amendments would, essentially, completely nullify the Rule of Law process and render the US Supreme Court powerless.

    Now, I’m certain that you and people like Peach think the USSC are all “anti-Christian” and should be abolished.

    But it is the USSC that is the ONLY “decider” of when Congress or a state or a municipality steps beyond their boundaries of authority in passing or enforcing some law that intrudes on the RIGHTS of the citizens of this country.

    SO, to my point, Huckabee is all about governing by finagling the Constitution to SAY what HE thinks it should say, and not about governing according to the already-good-enough-written U.S. Constitution, and abiding by the decisions already deliberated by the USSC.

  60. GOPeach says:

    Rule of Law… let’s go back to that one… hummmm

    Let’s talk about WHY these Ammndments would be UNCONSTITUTIONAL….

    I do not see MURDER of helpless defenseless unborn AMERICANS to be “an extremely intolerant religious view of society.”

    AND I DO NOT SEE …Marriage of A MAN AND A WOMAN to be an extremely intolerant religious view of society.” EITHER –

    Marriage BEGAN in the GARDEN to MAKE BABIES … not just for the hell of it so me can jam a pair of scissors in the back their skull and suck their brains out… C’mon!!!!

    What are you a barbarian?

  61. debbie0040 says:

    I think Sen DeMint would make agreat VP.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,327466,00.html

    U.S. Senator Wants to Revoke Funding From City of Berkeley, Calif., for Vote to Boot Marines
    Saturday, February 02, 2008

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    WASHINGTON — U.S. Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., says the City of Berkeley, Calif., no longer deserves federal money.

    DeMint was angered after learning that the Berkeley City Council voted this week to tell the U.S. Marine Corps to remove its recruiting station from the city’s downtown.

    “This is a slap in the face to all brave service men and women and their families,” DeMint said in a prepared statement. “The First Amendment gives the City of Berkeley the right to be idiotic, but from now on they should do it with their own money.”

    “If the city can’t show respect for the Marines that have fought, bled and died for their freedom, Berkeley should not be receiving special taxpayer-funded handouts,” he added

  62. Bill Simon says:

    Peach,

    A mass of cells is not a “human”. But, I do understand that you and several hundred thousand of your breathren believe that they are. You’re still ALL incorrect…AND clear flunkies of any science courses you ever took…but, were likely let by with a “D”.

  63. John Konop says:

    Is Rush back on drugs?

    FROM HIS SHOW TODAY!

    RUSH: All right, folks, I need to ask you a question, personal question from me to you. Do I sound like I need cheering up here? I’m getting e-mails from friends, “Boy, you sound like you could use a little cheering up.” And they’re sending me these stupid little Internet jokes, “for you to smile,” like an Internet joke would cheer me up. Spam would cheer me up. But do I sound like I need to be cheered up? I can’t wait ’til the Drive-Bys get hold of my thought, my consideration of helping Hillary raise money. They’ll miss the reason. They’ll just publicize, “Limbaugh is so upset at Romney getting out, he’s thinking of raising money for Hillary, period.”

    But the reason for raising money for Hillary is because that apparently my party is relying on fear and loathing of Hillary to get the nomination, to unite Republicans, who are, some of them, off the reservation. The Republicans do not seem to be relying on leadership in their party to unite the party. They seem to be relying on all these external things, nobody is going to vote for Hillary, negative turnout factor. What if she’s not the nominee? We’ve got make sure she’s the nominee if the Republican Party is to be unified. What more loyal thing could I do than to run a fundraiser for Mrs. Clinton? You watch, though, you watch how that will be questioned.

    http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/limbaugh-says-hell-fundraise-for-hillary

  64. DoubleDawg3 says:

    While I’m a Huckabee backer, I’m pretty sure McCain will NOT pick him to be his VP Candidate (hearing more about Huckabee being recruited back in Arkansas to run for US Senate against D. Pryor ?)

    Personally, I think George Allen would be MY favorite VP candidate…but that stupid macaca moment will haunt him. If not for that, I’d suggest it might be Allen deciding who he’s going to pick for his VP right now.

    Of the other candidates mentioned – I think Crist and/or Gov. Pawlenty would be solid and they could help carry their states (hopefully).

    However, my favorite would be Sen. Demint. He’s a fine conservative and very well respected.

    Having 2 Senators might not be the best thing – but I’d go for Demint.

    And oh, as for Gov. Barbour, as Bull Moose stated – I don’t see that one working out too well for the GOP. Especially if Obama is the Dem nominee…I can see that, Barbour is a former lobbyist, while Obama’s campaign won’t even take a campaign check from a lobbyist — wonder which side the average voter is going to pick in that one?

  65. Bull Moose says:

    I think this is the election where the GOP is going to have to roll out more than just the VP to keep momentum and interest going along…

    I would submit that it might be appropriate to also announce picks for Secretary of State, Defense, Treasury, Commerce, Attorney General, HUD, and Energy.

    That gives you 8 major announcements to play out over the course of between now and September.

    It also gives something for every pillar of the GOP to hang onto.

    Most are going to think that HUD and Energy aren’t important, but they are. HUD can be the centerpiece of reforming the housing market, economic empowerment, and the mortgage crisis. I would like to see McCain back a series of tax incentives visa via empowerment zones and enterprise communities to get the small business economy growing again across this country.

    Energy is a big deal because of the focus on green technologies. What better way to highlight that than to announce his selection to head it up.

    Similar arguements could be applied to the other agencies and so forth.

    If we’re going up against OBAMA, we have to change strategies and do things differently.

    My only worry is that some of the grey hairs that control these things aren’t known for thinking outside of the box, but then again, I think McCain and Company are capable of considering everything!

  66. StevePerkins says:

    It’s funny to be called a ‘party purist’ be a guy who’s purity requires he vote for a guy who cannot win.

    I voted Paul in the primary for the reasons that have already been beat to death. Now that the Georgia primary is over, I’m falling in line behind McCain. My point is that if McCain or Huckabee had a voting record that almost 100%-matches Paul’s, I would not be griping about how Paul is a “real conservative” and that other guy isn’t. That’s the thing that puzzles me about the Fred! guys who grumble about McCain… despite the two guys’ voting records being near-identical, and despite Fred! co-sponsoring some of McCain’s bills that make people mad.

  67. joe says:

    Bull Moose // Feb 7, 2008 at 11:23 pm

    I think this is the election where the GOP is going to have to roll out more than just the VP to keep momentum and interest going along…

    Absolutely right. Espescially if McCain is at the top of the ticket.

  68. IndyInjun says:

    Obama will clean the GOP’s clock and folks like Limbaugh and Chelf know it, that is why they want Hillary.

    Being anti-Hillary is all y’all partisan GOP types have, for your miserable candidates and incumbents abandoned conservatism and party principles a long time ago.

    The way this has developed is purely hilarious for us, the Independents. The Dems are voting in off-the-chart numbers, buoyed by US who have jetisoned YOU and the destroyers of America whom you so blindly support.

    The two candidates raising tens of millions from average Americans were Barack Obama and Ron Paul. Hillary’s donor list and McCain’s are made up of the usual suspects – the Wall Streeters and DC lobbyists.

    Besides the huge number of Republicans and Indies who have already defected to the Dem side, y’all are left with a candidate that 50% of those remaining in your lamentable party cannot stand.

    I cheer the destruction of the GOP. You are headed for a wipe-out in 2008 that will remove the last unfounded scintilla of arrogance remaining after the 2006 debacle.

    Chelf – You made a cry for support based upon the war and the economy. Guess what, Sherlock, it was the GOP who is responsible for BOTH.

    Read it and weep. The only thing you have going against Obama is his name and if that was Ben Franklin Harrison, or some such, he would probably get 90% of the vote.

    Go ahead and line up behind your boy Saxby, a man who has done more damage to America than Cynthia McKinney could ever have pulled off.

    You have no principles, no party, and soon no power.

    Good riddance to a corrupt gang of thieves.

  69. jeffgator says:

    I have a hard time with Huckabee, but GOPeach’s is making a strong argument for his support… to drop out!

  70. jsm says:

    Obama will clean the GOP’s clock and folks like Limbaugh and Chelf know it, that is why they want Hillary.

    This demonstrates the sad shape America is in. The democrats have no one still in this race with even one veritable accomplishment to his or her name.

    The only way Obama wins is via his ‘rock star’ persona. He couldn’t ‘change’ Washington if his life depended on it.

  71. rugby fan says:

    “Secretary of State, Defense, Treasury, Commerce, Attorney General, HUD, and Energy.”

    Because nothing excites voters quite like naming the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development.

    Personally, I wish the Secretary of Health and Human Services would be named during a presidential campaign.

    And I see GOPeach did not get the message of Erick’s post.

  72. jsm, Unfortunately, that is the state. This election is an emotionally charged election. The variables are completely different than ANY in history. Broadband technology, talk radio (no its not going away) and effective campaigning are doing a tremendous job.

    In any advertising campaign the goal is to get customers, and they’re buying.

    The Dems campaigns are built nearly entirely on emotion. They’ve promised the sun and the moon to America. I was talking to an individual the other day who said they were voting for him because of he would give health insurance to everyone. I didn’t say a thing, as to not look like a prude. But who the heck do they think is going to pay for their promises if they could get them through. There’s no reasoning, they’re just tired.

  73. IndyInjun says:

    Perhaps we should hope that the Dems keep their promises with the same acuity that the GOP kept theirs.

    The miserable record of both parties says we can pretty much count on it.

    Make no mistake, I would much rather that the Dems had Mark Warner as their nominee and the GOP someone like DeMint, Sanford, or Coburn.

    As it stands, I must decide based upon the analysis that McCain is a continuation of the GOP disaster of the last 7 years and the Obama, while FAR from the desired candidate and more of a leftie than I have ever voted for, is much more likely to TRY to unify the country and work against the DC establishment.

    The GOP needs to be totally demolished and reconstituted without the corrupt lot of incumbents now afflicting us.

  74. John,

    You’re the one on drugs not Rush. If you had listened to Rush yesterday you would have known he was engaging in sarcasm when he joked about raising money for Hillary. His slogan was “keep her in it so we (the GOP) can win it.” I hope the pro-McCain
    Rush bashers were paying attention as well.

  75. IndyInjun says:

    It was sarcasm and it wasn’t.

    The GOP’s only hope is Hillary and she is running out of funds.

    I haven’t listened to Limbaugh more than 20 minutes in the last 3 years, but I did hear that for the minute or so before I changed the channel. he said:

    “Republicans do not seem to be relying on leadership in their party to unite the party. They seem to be relying on all these external things, nobody is going to vote for Hillary, negative turnout factor. What if she’s not the nominee?”

    It was very well put and it was the truth, sarcasm or none.

  76. jsm says:

    I was talking to an individual the other day who said they were voting for him because of he would give health insurance to everyone. I didn’t say a thing, as to not look like a prude.

    My response to ignorant people who say stuff like this is, “He’s not going to give you anything. The taxpayers will give it to you when legislation forces them to. Now how do you expect that we’ll pay for that?” I’m tired of politicians being seen as ‘generous’ when they spend taxpayers’ money on government handouts. Being generous is not giving out of someone else’s pocket, but rather giving out of your own.

  77. debbie0040 says:

    Peach, the only chance the Huckster has to win the nomination and President is for a nuclear bomb to wipe everyone in the US and Huckabee is the only one left.

    Get back on your meds. You are continuing to lose your grip on reality. The Huckster lost…

    Fred nor Mitt won, but I am happy McCain won instead of Phuckabee….

  78. debbie0040 says:

    I would not support the Huckster if he were the last candidate standing.. The Huckster is despised by 2/3rd of the GOP base. Yea, he will really go far..

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