Huckabee has won his last primary?

January 11, 2008 16:00 pm

by Buzz Brockway · 2,306 comments

Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney said Friday that Mike Huckabee has won his last primary.

Pretty bold statement from Mitt. I suppose he could be right, but Romney may not win anymore either. The race is so fluid I don’t think anyone can say anything for certain. I imagine Romney’s comment will energize Huckabee’s supporters…sort of political bulletin board fodder.

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SamTeasley January 11, 2008 at 4:13 pm

Unbelievable. Who says that? I understand he might think it, but who actually says that?

GodHatesTrash January 11, 2008 at 4:14 pm

Mormons baptize the dead – now if they could just get them to vote, Mitt would have a chance…

souldrift January 11, 2008 at 4:14 pm

How many times can Romney make an idiot of himself (wait..he is one already) before people stop voting for him?

SamTeasley January 11, 2008 at 4:25 pm

Favorability/Unfavorability in GA:

Huckabee 70/10
McCain 61/17
Thompson 47/17
Giuliani 46/16

Romney 46/23

debbie0040 January 11, 2008 at 4:29 pm

Maybe Mitt is prepared to advertise Huckabee’s true record. Or just maybe Mitt knows something and is prepared to use it….

I, for one, can’t wait to see…

debbie0040 January 11, 2008 at 4:33 pm

One thing Romney isn’t, is a fool. Pretty sure statement-makes you wonder…

Until now most voters (not political junkies like us) just see the Huckabee his campaign rhetoric projects. In Iowa, those voters would have voted for anyone that proclaimed their christianity loudly regardless of their record. Other states are not like that.

Now the true RINO Huckabee will come to light…

IndyInjun January 11, 2008 at 4:35 pm

Hackabee is the biggest crook I have seen in a Presidential race.

After GWB and Haggard, one would THINK that the evangels would have seen and heard enough of silk-tongued deceivers.

Some people really can be fooled all of the time.

ToddH January 11, 2008 at 4:38 pm

Well, Mitt better get busy b/c according to one poll Huckaboom is leading in Michigan and is a competitive second in South Carolina. Incidentally, Mitt leads in neither.

debbie0040 January 11, 2008 at 4:39 pm

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080111/D8U3TTKO0.html

O.J. in custody in Florida. Arrested for parole violation…

debbie0040 January 11, 2008 at 4:41 pm

Huckabee made the top ten list for Judicial Watch as one of the most corrupt politicians in 2007. Really something his supporters can be proud of….Besides convincing people to lose weight…

debbie0040 January 11, 2008 at 4:44 pm

FOXNEWS S. Carolina Debate Pulls 3.6 million viewers; Network’s highest of season…

dcraigwhite January 11, 2008 at 5:14 pm

Judicial Watch has also sued Vice President Dick Cheney, as well as the Bush administration.

Fred Thompson recently made my list of ineffective campaigners who should drop out of the race given his dismal showings thus far. Despite his “tried and true” conservative record all the voters seem to be flocking to other candidates. His supporters can be proud of this and the fact that he did a good job playing Arthur Branch on Law and Order.

Get out of the race Fred. Please. Before you embarrass yourself and the few people who support you.

Still Looking January 11, 2008 at 5:31 pm

I bet Romney lives to regret that statement. He’s pulled his ads from SC and Fl and putting all his eggs in Michigan, which is going to be a very difficult state for him. The economy stinks with a 7.4% unemployment – worst in the country. There are 180,000 properties in tax default in Wayne County alone. And Romney represents the managerial class in big union state.

Huckabee’s line about – people wanting to vote for somebody like they work with and not not the person that laid them off – is going to eat up Romney.

If Democrats can crossover in Michigan, McCain and Huckabee are going to have a field day. Ron Paul might get some of the “blowback” too.

ConservativeCaucus January 11, 2008 at 5:38 pm
debbie0040 January 11, 2008 at 7:00 pm

Huckabee needs to get out before he embarrasses the Republican party and the country…..

If he and his wife opened a wedding registry at Target, even though they had been married over 30 years, so they could accept gifts over 100.00 when he was leaving the Governor’s office, imagine what he would do when he left the Whitehouse…

debbie0040 January 11, 2008 at 7:02 pm

dcraigwhite, Judicial Watch also has Hillary and Obama on that list so don’t even try to allude it is a partisan hack. Typical Huckabee supporter, twisting the truth…

ConservativeCaucus January 11, 2008 at 7:04 pm

Above: read Debbie doing her best to bring those unfavorables up.

dcraigwhite January 11, 2008 at 7:18 pm

Debs:

How is it twisting the truth? I simply added factual information to the discussion. Judicial Watch has sued Dick Cheney, Haliburton, and the Bush Administration. How is that twisting the truth?

See, you are a master at taking bits and pieces of stories, posting them on here, all the while remaining deficient in terms of intellectual honesty. You take facts you like, that benefit your point of view, and couple them with unoriginal commentary in an effort to demean Huck.

It’s comical to read your wishful posts, all the while Mike Huckabee continues to move up in the polls. Not a regional candidate like your boy Thompson, Huck leads or runs second in virtually every state currently up for grabs. He leads Michigan (in some polls), Florida (in some polls), and SC (some polls). Go out west and find the same thing.

Fred Thompson…much ado about nothing.

I feel sorry for some of my friends who were duped by the hype of Fred! As I’ve said on many occasions, I don’t have a problem with the guy. Smart guy, strong personality, but not our best choice for POTUS.

Get out Fred! Now!

HUCKABEE – McCAIN 2008

debbie0040 January 11, 2008 at 7:20 pm

CC, I am not going to stop either…

Are you denying what I posted about the gift registry?

debbie0040 January 11, 2008 at 7:23 pm

The only polls that mean anything are the one on election day… South Carolina is a week away. Anything could happen…

Can’t wait to watch Mitt tear the Huckster apart in ads…

debbie0040 January 11, 2008 at 7:25 pm

Dcraig, you obviously are a political neophyte. It helps the Huckster for Fred to stay in. It takes votes away from the others. If Fred were to drop out,his voters would not go to the Huckster and it is ridiculous to think they would..-

I would support Mitt, Rudy or McCain and the overwhelming majority of Fred supporters would too.

debbie0040 January 11, 2008 at 7:31 pm

Dcraig, when I post something, I post the links so you can read the entire article and you know full well I do. You are the one that is being dishonest. Not the least bit surprised…

dcraigwhite January 11, 2008 at 7:33 pm

Debs:

I do not deny (nor does Huck) that there were wedding registries set up at both Target and Dillards. Here’s where you were wrong, and posted a complete distortion – the registry was opened by friends of Janet Huckabee (not her or Mike) as a way for her to select things she liked at both stores. These friends were hosting a house-warming party for the former Governor and his wife, and wanted her to be able to actually get things she liked, thus the need to set up some sort of registry. My understanding is that there was no category for “House-Warming Parties”, so the friends of Ms. Huckabee simply registered it as a wedding.

Now, what you have done above, is provide a brief glimpse of a story, which, when explained, makes perfectly good sense, and shows no lapse in judgement. In typical “debs” fashion though, you chose to distort the story, your only goal being the dissemination of unfavorable information. You weren’t objective, you didn’t do the research, and you posted a story that portrayed the Huckabees in a bad light – hoping that your homeboy Fred might get a boost. Guess what? IT’S NOT WORKING.

debbie0040 January 11, 2008 at 7:39 pm

And in typical Huckabee fashion, you distort the truth and put a spin on it.

http://www.swtimes.com/articles/2006/11/13/week_in_review/news/saturday/news09.txt

Huckabees Registered For Gifts

By John Lyon

Arkansas News Bureau • [email protected]

LITTLE ROCK — “Wedding” registries in the names of Gov. Mike Huckabee and his wife, Janet, have been set up at two department store chains in advance of the Huckabees’ move out of the Governor’s Mansion into a private home.

The term-limited governor leaves office in January, and friends of Janet Huckabee created the registries at Dillard’s and Target stores to help facilitate their transition to private life, Huckabee spokeswoman Alice Stewart said Friday.

The Huckabees purchased a 7,000-square-foot home in North Little Rock this year.

“Some ladies who are friends of Janet’s are giving her a housewarming party,” Stewart said.

Arkansas law prohibits public servants from accepting any gift worth more than $100, unless the gift is conferred “on account of a bona fide personal, professional or business relationship” independent of the recipient’s official status.

“Items costing more than $100 which are given to public servants to show appreciation for their efforts (i.e., to reward them for doing their job) or to reward them for past or future action are prohibited under this rule,” the law states.

Gifts from relatives are not prohibited, nor are wedding or engagement gifts.

The Huckabees married in 1974. They entered into a covenant marriage in February 2005.

State law also requires public servants to report all gifts they receive of $100 value or more on their annual Statement of Financial Interest.

Stewart declined to say if Huckabee was sure that accepting pricey gifts as a result of the registries would be legal or whether he plans to report any valuable gifts they receive.

The Dillard’s registry on the department store’s Web site states, “Welcome to the wedding registry of: Janet and Michael Huckabee.” The registry lists the “event date” as Nov. 14.

Items listed on the registry range in price from $14 for saucers to $300 for a KitchenAid mixer.

The Target registry, which also can be viewed online, states, “Welcome to Janet Huckabee and Michael Huckabee’s Club Wedd Registry.” Target lists the “event date” as Nov. 16.

Items on the Target registry range in price from $2 for napkins and place mats to $250 for a 12-piece Kitchen Essentials cookware set. The registry also notes that Target gift cards can be purchased for amounts up to $1,000.

Questions have been raised in the past over Gov. Huckabee’s acceptance of gifts. In 1998, a lawsuit filed by Arthur Kerns and Don Venhaus of Little Rock and Peggy Tucker of Jonesboro alleged that Huckabee misused the expense account of the Governor’s Mansion and illegally accepted as a gift about $70,000 worth of furniture.

The claim of misused funds was dropped after Huckabee agreed to a policy change; the claim of illegal gifts was dropped after Huckabee said the furniture belonged to the state, not to him personally.

Kerns said Friday he is not surprised about the gift registries.

“He’s using the trappings of the governor’s office to get everything he can, and the sad part of it is, I honestly believe he does not see anything wrong with this,” said Kerns, a retired lawyer for the Department of Veterans Affairs. “It’s like ‘ethics’ is a foreign word to him.”

Kerns said it did not matter that Huckabee is leaving office.

“That’s like me telling my wife, ‘I’m planning on filing for a divorce, and it’ll probably be effective in 90 days, so my having an affair right now does not violate the oath of our marriage, right?’” Kerns said.

Kevin Crass, a Little Rock lawyer who represented Huckabee in a number of legal disputes with the Ethics Commission, did not immediately return a message left at his office Friday.

State Sen. Gilbert Baker, R-Conway, the state Republican Party chairman, said he was not aware of the registries but saw no problem with them.

Baker said housewarming gifts for an outgoing governor “have nothing to do with bribery,” which he said the law against gifts is intended to prevent.

“I’m glad you let me know about it so I can get online and buy him something,” the senator said.

Telephone calls to the Arkansas Ethics Commission office went unanswered Friday and the commission’s executive director, Graham Sloan, did not return a message left on his personal telephone seeking comment.

debbie0040 January 11, 2008 at 7:42 pm

Notice this section that deals with the law:
“Items costing more than $100 which are given to public servants to show appreciation for their efforts (i.e., to reward them for doing their job) or to reward them for past or future action are prohibited under this rule,” the law states.

Gifts from relatives are not prohibited, nor are wedding or engagement gifts.”

If their intentions were not to circumvent the ethics law then pray tell why they listed items they wanted in the registry in excess of the 100.00 limit.?

The Dillard’s registry on the department store’s Web site states, “Welcome to the wedding registry of: Janet and Michael Huckabee.” The registry lists the “event date” as Nov. 14.

Items listed on the registry range in price from $14 for saucers to $300 for a KitchenAid mixer.

The Target registry, which also can be viewed online, states, “Welcome to Janet Huckabee and Michael Huckabee’s Club Wedd Registry.” Target lists the “event date” as Nov. 16.

Items on the Target registry range in price from $2 for napkins and place mats to $250 for a 12-piece Kitchen Essentials cookware set. The registry also notes that Target gift cards can be purchased for amounts up to $1,000.

debbie0040 January 11, 2008 at 7:44 pm

Since you accused me of posting only portions which favor my view point, I will post the entire articles.

http://www.townhall.com/blog/g/33391ddb-ed1f-4bc3-9d19-cdca6181d5d4

Wednesday, January 02, 2008

An Open Letter From An Arkansas Evangelical

Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at 5:41 PM

In the in-box:

A Plea from Arkansas: Christian Conservatives Need to Take a Closer Look at Mike Huckabee’s Record as Governor

by David Thompson

As a conservative, evangelical, politically-active father of four in Arkansas I believe it is imperative for like-minded voters to become more familiar with the Mike Huckabee that just completed 10 years as our governor. I realize it’s sometimes hard to know what to believe during a campaign, so I’ve tried to include links to published stories, with most coming from years past when the events noted were taking place.

For those who don’t know much about me, I attend a very conservative evangelical church in Central Arkansas that includes some other politically active members (past/present elected officials, lobbyists, candidates, etc), and our family currently homeschools our young children. Since 1996, I have been heavily involved in numerous Republican campaigns in Arkansas at all levels (even managing a few). I have also served as vice chairman of the Republican committee in Arkansas’ largest county. Yet I don’t know of a single person in these circles who is supporting Huckabee for President – although I do know many that are definitely not supporting him. Of course, this is anecdotal evidence, but consider that Huckabee just finished serving 10 years as our governor (and I am sure there are many Republicans in Arkansas who are supporting him – I just don’t know them). The truth is, most conservatives in Arkansas had written him off long before his Presidential bid.

That said, here are 7 key reasons I cannot in good conscience support Mike Huckabee as the Republican nominee for President. This is based on his record here and is not a personal attack – I cannot speak for his or anybody’s motives. This list is not the result of intense research – it’s based on what I know and have experienced first-hand as a politically-active conservative Arkansan. It’s a list I could have given you 6 months or even 2 years ago. And I am not attempting to echo or give validity to any criticism he is now receiving nationally (and I don’t think ALL of it is fair). This is the Mike Huckabee we know.

1) Governor Huckabee did lasting damage to the Republican Party and conservative movement in Arkansas.

It’s hard to go after Democrats with a conservative message when your Republican Governor is out front releasing violent criminals, providing state benefits to illegals, pushing tax increases, expanding government spending and programs, and constantly walking an ethical tight-rope (more on each of these items to follow). This tied our party’s hands – many conservatives got frustrated, apathy set in, and some quit the fight. In addition:

· Huckabee insisted on having “his people” controlling the Republican Party campaign organizations that are set up in Arkansas each election cycle. He also insisted that his guy remain as state party chairman when party leaders planned to make a change. The mismanagement and ineptness that followed was so great that the Republican Party plunged into debt and the Federal Election Commission levied the the largest fine ever against a state political party following an investigation of the 2000 and 2002 election cycles. Obviously, this set back the Republican Party of Arkansas for years.

· When Huckabee started his first full term in 1998, Arkansas had just elected a Republican Governor, Lt. Governor, U.S. Senator, and 2 Republican Congressmen. Upon his leaving office in 2007, Republicans now hold no statewide offices, have no Republicans in the U.S.Senate, and only one Republican Congressman remains.

· It was often said during Huckabee’s term that Arkansas had 3 parties: Republican Party, Democrat Party, and the Huckabee Party.

“He destroyed the conservative movement in Arkansas, and left the Republican Party in shambles.” – Phyllis Schlafly, president of the national Eagle Forum

“His support for taxes split the Republican Party, and damaged our name brand.” – Former Arkansas State Representative Randy Minton (R)

“I think if they knew [his record] it would totally de-energize them . . . his policies are just wrong.” – Former Arkansas State Senator Jim Holt’s (R) warning for conservatives around the country who think they have found their candidate in Mike Huckabee.

2) Governor Huckabee’s non-stop clemencies continually hindered the work of criminal prosecutors and miffed Republicans. The numbers are staggering – over 1,000 clemencies and commutations of criminals as governor. Most people now are familiar with his push to parole convicted rapist Wayne Dumond, who went on to rape and murder a Missouri woman less than a year after his release. But there are many more troubling facts regarding Huckabee’s pattern of releasing violent criminals. While I cannot speak for Huckabee’s motives, it seems clear that he used poor judgment and was reckless with this executive power.

· Huckabee released more criminals than the combined total of every border state to Arkansas (made up of Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Tennessee, Mississippi, and Louisiana) – even though the combined population of these states is 16 times higher than Arkansas’. He also issued more than double the clemencies of his three predecessors combined.

· In many cases, Huckabee’s actions set loose savage criminals convicted of grisly murders over the passionate objections of prosecutors and victims’ families. This American Spectator story details some of these violent cases and explains the resulting difficulties they presented prosecutors working with other victims and their families.

· Huckabee and his appointees ignored the laws on the books, including the requirement to notify victims’ families and explain the reasons for those clemencies. He said to fully explain his reasoning would cost millions of dollars and “take money away from education and Medicaid and other things.”

· A 2004 investigative article by the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette found that prisoners had a better chance of being granted clemency by Huckabee if they had a mutual acquaintance, labored at the governor’s mansion under a prisoner work program, or a minister intervened on their behalf. Prosecutors say Huckabee was more inclined to release or reduce the sentences of prisoners if he had direct contact with them or was lobbied by those close to him.

· He often refused to learn the facts of the cases (sometimes not even reading the murderer’s own confession), made no attempt to get the police/prosecutor’s case files, or even get input from the victims’ families before making his decision.

· The clemency granted to one multiple DUI offender was likely tied to large political contributions from the offender’s family, including a soft money political organization run by Huckabee’s people.

· Good summary article

“Last January, after Mississippi Gov. Ronnie Musgrove, a Democrat, lost his re-election bid, he issued 16 clemencies, and there was a huge outcry. That’s how many Huckabee averages per month.” – Arkansas Leader, (August 11, 2004)

“He seems to believe that granting clemency to murderers, rapists, drunk drivers and other convicted criminals is a part of the everyday affairs of the governor’s office rather than something that he should approach cautiously and selectively.” – Robert Herzfeld, Saline County Prosecuting Attorney during Huckabee’s tenure

“I know some of the people that Huckabee let loose have reoffended. Some of them we’ve caught and some of them we haven’t caught……I used to be able to tell the families of victims, in all good faith and candor, that it was a rare event when a governor commuted a sentence and let a murderer back out, or a rapist back out or a child molester back out. But I can’t do that anymore.” – Larry Jegley, longtime Pulaski County Prosecuting Attorney

“I felt like Huckabee had more compassion for the murderers than he ever did for the victims.” – Elaine Colclasure, co-leader of the Central Arkansas chapter of Parents of Murdered Children.

3) Governor Huckabee’s pattern was to ignore immigration laws, often in the name of Christianity.

Huckabee opposed immigration enforcement as governor on a number of fronts. Immigration enforcement groups call Huckabee’s record on immigration “a disaster” and reference him as they guy who “scares the heck” out of them.

· In 2001, Huckabee’s human services liaison Robert Trevino pushed for legislation to provide driver’s licenses for illegals. It was understood by legislators that he acted with Huckabee’s blessing.

· In 2001, Huckabee opposed a measure to require proof of citizenship to vote.

· In 2005, Huckabee supported a bill that offered illegal immigrants in-state tuition rates and made them eligible for the same merit-based scholarships to Arkansas state colleges and universities as legal citizens. The bill would have violated federal law and was not enacted by the legislature.

· In 2005, he opposed a bill that denied some state benefits to illegals and required proof of citizenship to vote (patterned after Arizona’s Prop 200 that has been successful in curtailing illegal immigration in that state). In this story, Huckabee called the measure “un-American….inflammatory….race-baiting and demagoguery.” He added that the bill “inflames those who are racist and bigots and makes them think there’s a real problem. But there’s not.” He then singled out State Senator Jim Holt, also an openly professing Christian, saying, “I drink a different kind of Jesus juice.”

· In 2005, Huckabee criticized federal agents for a recent crackdown on illegals, saying that it wasn’t fair to the innocent family members of those targeted in the operation. (No word on whether he also opposes raids on other law-breakers who might also have innocent family members affected by the fruits of their illegal activity.)

· In 2005, Huckabee promoted an “open door” policy on immigration as he addressed the League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC) national convention in Little Rock. LULAC is a left-leaning group that opposes virtually all measures of immigration enforcement.

“He was an absolute disaster on immigration as governor. Every time there was any enforcement in his state, he took the side of the illegal aliens.” – Roy Beck, president of NumbersUSA, a group that played a major role in rallying the phone calls that helped defeat this year’s Senate immigration bill.

“I would hope he could be trusted to secure the borders, but given his track record in Arkansas, I don’t see the conservative he has portrayed himself to be in Iowa.” – Jake Files, a former Arkansas state representative and current chairman of the Sebastian County Republican Party

4) Governor Huckabee was no friend to fiscal conservatives in Arkansas.

Huckabee’s record on taxes, government spending, and growing government programs was miserable. Basically, when the economy got tough, Huckabee expected families like mine to tighten our budgets in order to help state government meet its spending whims.

· In 2003, Huckabee called a special session of the legislature to push for a tax increase to make up for spending shortfalls. This led to his signing HB1039, an across the board income tax and tobacco tax increase. Huckabee even refused to consider a Republican proposal to cut spending and use general improvement funds (i.e., legislative pork) to make up for the budget shortfall. Ironically, the same day Huckabee was practically begging the Arkansas legislature to raise taxes (here’s the video), President Bush was also in Little Rock to push for his tax cut plan. (Note: When asked about this video recently, Huckabee gave a misleading response to Fox News, blaming his tax increase plea on a court order. This prompted State Representative Johnny Key, the current Republican Leader in the Arkansas House, to send out a letter correcting the accuracy of Huckabee’s statement.)

· If that weren’t enough, Huckabee called a 2nd special legislative session in 2003 to pass a nearly one-cent state sales tax increase. The measure also expanded the sales tax to include previously exempted services (for more information and context, see reason #6 below).

· During Huckabee’s term, Arkansas showed a net tax increase of $505 million, and the average Arkansan’s tax burden grew from $1,969 to $2,902. Governor Huckabee raised more taxes in 10 years in office than Bill Clinton did in his 12 years.

· During Huckabee’s 10 years as governor, state spending more than doubled (from $6.6 billion to $16.1 billion), higher education and public schools got big increases, as did social services. Meanwhile, the state added about 8,000 full-time workers to its payroll during that period, a 19% increase (according to the Bureau of Legislative Research).

· The conservative Cato Institute gave Huckabee an “F” for his final term as governor on its Fiscal Policy Report Card, saying, “Huckabee’s leadership has left taxpayers in Arkansas much worse off.” His grade was lower than 15 of the 21 Democrat Governors. His overall grade as governor was a D.

“The main reason for the drop was his insistence on raising taxes at almost every turn throughout his final term.” – Cato Institute explaining why Huckabee had dropped from a “D” to an “F” on their Fiscal Policy Report Card.

“[Huckabee] says he’s pro-family. If you’re raising taxes on the families of Arkansas, causing wives to go out and get jobs to make ends meet, that’s not pro-family.” – Former Arkansas State Representative Randy Minton (R)

“In the past, he blamed Democrats for raising taxes…We voted for them, but he proposed them.” – Arkansas State Senator John Paul Capps, a Democrat

5) Huckabee left a long trail of ethics questions while Governor of Arkansas

This is an area where I think Huckabee does receive some unfair criticism. Some of the ethics charges against him were frivolous and politically motivated. However, it has been concerning for some time just how much the governor accepted in gifts and how he was seemingly always pushing ethical limits.

· During his tenure, Huckabee accepted 314 gifts valued overall at more than $150,000, according to documents filed with the Arkansas’ Secretary of State office.

· The Huckabees set up wedding registries at local department stores as Mike was leaving office – even though they had been married for 30 years. State ethics laws prohibited Huckabee from receiving gifts of more than $100……but there was an exception for wedding gifts.

· Judicial Watch, a non-partisan group dedicted to fighting government corruption, listed Huckabee among their Ten Most Wanted Corrupt Politicians of 2007. Huckabee was one of only three Republican politicians to make the list.

6) Huckabee’s education record shows him to be an advocate of the “status quo”

The New Hampshire chapter of the National Education Association (NEA) has endorsed Hillary Clinton and Mike Huckabee for the upcoming Primary elections. This is the first time in memory that they have recommended a Republican (in 2004 they endorsed Howard Dean). They likely chose Huckabee because:

· Huckabee has consistently opposed virtually all proposals for education reform, including school choice vouchers.

· The former president of Eagle Forum of Arkansas said Huckabee “continued the Hillary Clinton education plan” as our governor.

· When the Arkansas Supreme Court ruled that Arkansas’ public school funding was “inequitable,” Huckabee took the ruling as a mandate to raise taxes in order to once again increase school funding…which he did. (To his credit, however, he also used the opportunity to consolidate some of the school districts in the state – although rural legislators severely watered down the proposal.)

7) Huckabee has very little support for his Presidential bid here in Arkansas

For the most part those in his party who know him best are not supporting him.

· In October, a University of Arkansas poll showed that, among all Presidential candidates in both parties, only 8% of Arkansans said they were supporting Mike Huckabee.

· That same week, the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette reported that only one-third of Republicans in the Arkansas Legislature said they were supporting their former governor’s Presidential bid.

· After this story, the Huckabee campaign published a list of supporters in his home state. The Arkansas News Bureau then reported that as some of the names on Huckabee’s Arkansas endorsement list were used without permission and had to be removed.

· This is purely anecdotal, but despite my involvement in Republican politics, I am unaware of any of my Republican friends who are supporting Huckabee. I have seen maybe 3 Huckabee for President bumper stickers – and I live in Republican west Little Rock and work 2 miles from the state capitol where Huckabee just completed over 10 years as Governor (my wife says she saw her first sticker today…..guess he’s picking up steam here!).

“…if Huckabee didn’t have things sewn up with Republicans back home, what kind of message did that send?….The truth is that Huckabee hasn’t had that much support from former and current Republican legislators.” – David Sanders, conservative columnist for Arkansas News Bureau (November 11, 2007)

Conclusion:

I realize the Republican Presidential field does not leave true conservatives with much to get excited about. However, it is unlikely I will support Huckabee over any of the Republican frontrunners because of his liberal record, his questionable judgment, and his reckless use of power while Governor. Now is not the time for Republicans to compromise on core conservative values. More importantly, we need a leader with a history of using strong judgment as our nation continues to lead the world in the War on Terror.

Two final questions:

1) Given the many vulnerabilities in his record, what is the likelihood that Huckabee would win in a general election? Democrat National Committee officials have already been quoted as saying that they see Huckabee as “easy kill” and refer to him as “the glass jaw — and they’re just waiting to break it.” The DNC has issued over 200 attack press releases on Republican candidates – only 4 on Huckabee, the last one coming 10 months ago.

2) Does his record as governor represent someone who should be given greater power and responsibility? Is he Commander and Chief material? Leader of the free world? National Review recently expressed concern, and Huckabee raised eyebrows with recent comments critical of U.S. Foreign policy and our role in the world – he was essentially repeating the Democrat talking points!

Feel free to pass this letter on or contact me if you have any questions about anything stated here. I have tried very carefully to be fair, accurate, and to stick to facts from Huckabee’s record. But it’s certainly possible I made a mistake somewhere or worded something poorly. I would be more than happy to further dialogue on any of these issues.

Sincerely,

David Thompson

Little Rock, Arkansas

dcraigwhite January 11, 2008 at 7:45 pm

Debs said: “Can’t wait to watch Mitt tear the Huckster apart in ads…”

Do you mean the ads that Mitt isn’t running in SC or FL, because he pulled all of those earlier this week. Keep looking for it, maybe it will happen. After all, strange things happen in your mind…

Debs said: “Dcraig, you obviously are a political neophyte. It helps the Huckster for Fred to stay in. It takes votes away from the others. If Fred were to drop out,his voters would not go to the Huckster and it is ridiculous to think they would..-”

Apparently I am a political neophyte because I don’t agree with Saint Debs 100%. I know people personally who support Fred right now (not many), and when he drops out, they will support Huck. I think it’s hilarious that you think you speak for this vast majority of people who could “never” vote for Huck. Get a life.

Debs said: “You are the one that is being dishonest. ”

Yep, still waiting on the proof of that. Dishonesty is not telling the whole truth. Telling parts of the truth is just as bad as telling no truth at all. You are a master at telling parts of the truth. The parts that benefit your POV are great, but try looking at the big picture, like I’ve pointed out above.

HUCKABEE – McCAIN 2008!

debbie0040 January 11, 2008 at 7:50 pm

You try looking at the facts I have pointed out. Most of the Fred people I have talked to will not support Huckabee. Fred would also endorse McCain.

You are a master of putting a spin on things. I would expect nothing less from you.

Fred may surprise a lot of people , including yourself…

debbie0040 January 11, 2008 at 7:53 pm

From Romney’s interview, he obviously plans on running competitive races in those states.

Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney said Friday that Mike Huckabee has won his last primary.

Speaking via telephone with editors and reporters from the AJC, Romney said his campaign for the nomination remains strong and predicted that he will win Tuesday’s primary in Michigan.

From there, Romney said, he’ll make “a strong push in South Carolina,” and be competitive in the Jan. 29 Florida primary, all of which will lead to Super Tuesday and the Feb. 5 Georgia primary.

dcraigwhite January 11, 2008 at 7:56 pm

Let’s talk about this….

From beginning to point #2:

First of all, keep in mind, that Hugh Hewitt is a huge Romney backer and has been for a long time. So just keep that in mind.

Second, when a Governor wins election (or re-election), especially in a state that has been controlled by Dems for a long period of time, the Governor usually has a pretty big role in who runs the state party. That’s the case in Georgia, and will be as long as we have a GOP Gov. That’s not unusual, and if I had to guess, this guy was on the side that was put out by Huck’s preferences. I don’t know that for sure, but that could be one explanation of his distrust.

Third, the two Reps quoted in this letter, Holt and Minton are being paid by the Ron Paul campaign to talk crap about Huck. In fact, they’re getting $5000 a pop. I would HARDLY call that objective. I’m a college student, I might start talking crap about Huck for that much money.

It’s not fair to place all of the blame on Huck for the decline of the Arkansas GOP. Let’s look at facts, in 2006, we saw a tidal wave of support for Lib-Dems nationwide. Surely, to some degree, an exiting governor could be to blame, but let’s not forget the situation all Republicans faced in 06.

Next post I’ll address 2 and 3.

dcraigwhite January 11, 2008 at 8:09 pm

In point #2 the writer addresses the issue of clemencies and parole. We’ve discussed this before, and I guess you and I just have to agree to disagree. In my opinion, it’s good for an executive to review the cases of those seeking clemency, and then based on the facts he has, to grant or deny their requests. You’ve heard these facts before, but 90% of those released, over 1200 people, went on to live productive lives. Unfortunately, some of those thought to be rehabilitated weren’t, and obviously that’s not desirable. No one wants to see repeat offenders, but there is no way to foresee what may happen. The only way to prevent future crimes is never granting any sort of parole, and I don’t think that’s wise.

In point #3, the writer talks about immigration.

I’d love to see the facts behind his assertions. I am aware of the in-state tuition issue, and in my understanding of the issue, I don’t disagree with Huck. I do have questions, like how were the illegals in Arkansas schools long enough to graduate HS without anyone knowing, but that would be an issue for both former Gov’s Clinton and Tucker as well as the INS.

I would think, as a political neophyte mind you, that were there any validity to the other assertions listed in this article, that both Romney and Thompson would have taken full advantage of them, but they aren’t so until I see the facts behind the writing, I’ll remain slightly skeptical.

more coming…

HUCKABEE – McCAIN 2008!

dcraigwhite January 11, 2008 at 8:16 pm

In point #4 the writer addressed Huck’s fiscal record.

As someone who is intellectually honest, I have no problem telling you that this is the one area where there are valid concerns about what type of President Huck would be. Really, it comes down to whether or not the tax hikes that were enacted were beneficial and acceptable to the people of his state. Huck’s response to this charge in the debate last night was wonderful. On top of that, he’s signed the tax pledge, which if violated would without a doubt limit him to one term. Our taxes will not go up under Huck, in fact, with a bit more support, we could see the FairTax enacted near the end of his first term.

In point 5, the writer addresses what even he calls an “unfair criticism” of Huck – the “ethics violations” of his administration.

I have addressed these already, and like the author find these to be far-fetched at best.

more coming…

HUCKABEE – McCAIN 2008!

dcraigwhite January 11, 2008 at 8:29 pm

In point #6 the writer talks about Education.

There is no bigger proponent of alternative education than Mike Huckabee. That’s why he has the support of a HUGE majority of home-schooled families. Huck also recognizes the need for balanced education. As a right-brained kid, I found myself EXTREMELY bored during middle and high school…there was no balance.

Point #7 is his last point, and says that no one in Arkansas supports Huck.

Not sure when this was written, but according to:

http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/arkansas.html

Huck has 59% support among Republicans in Arkansas…I’d say that’s pretty strong.

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Here’s my take:

There are valid criticisms of Mike Huckabee, and I will be the first to acknowledge them, but this kind of attack is weak. Republicans are supposed to be the intellectually honest ones. The ones who examine the facts, and make logical decisions based on real truth. Debbie, you and I have sparred in the past, but I sincerely hope you can get beyond pot-shots offered by some and see the full truth. I like to poke fun, and try to get under your skin, but I have tried here to really answer each portion of the post. I respect that fact that you support Fred, and like I’ve said, I don’t have anything against him.

HUCKABEE – McCAIN 2008!

debbie0040 January 11, 2008 at 8:33 pm

Dcraig, I will post the links that were in that article that did not get transferred over.

You seem to be very intelligent or I would not be spending my Friday night to do this. I know the University that you attend and you shoudl be very familar with the NEA. I get Matt Staver’s emails.

Just think abut one thing. Romney’s words. Do you think those things will not be used against Huckabee at some point?

I am a preachers kid. My Dad is a retired Independant Baptist Minister that graduated from Tennessee Temple in Chatanooga.

He reminded me that the children of Israel were impressed by King Saul because he was fair to look upon and was charismatic. He also has problems with the fact that if someone is truly called to preach by God, then why did he turn his back on the ministry and go into politics?

Fred’s words in the debate were right on target:
“Fred Thompson’s Statement about Huckabee in last night’s debate.

· “I think that Governor Huckabee’s campaign manager said it accurately in terms of what they believe. They believe that [the Reagan Revolution] is over. This is a battle for the heart and soul of the Republican Party and its future. On the one hand you have the Reagan Revolution, you have the Reagan Coalition of limited government and strong national security.

On the other hand you have the direction that Governor Huckabee would take us in. He would be a Christian leader, but he would also bring about liberal economic policies, liberal foreign policies. He believes we have an arrogant foreign policy in the tradition of “blame America first.” He believes that Guantanamo should be closed down and those enemy combatants brought here into the United States to find there way into the court system eventually.

He believes in taxpayer funded programs for illegals as he did in Arkansas. He has the endorsement the National Education Association and the NEA said it was because of his opposition to vouchers. He said he would sign a bill that banned smoking nationwide, so much for federalism. So much for state’s rights. So much for individual rights.

That’s not the model of the Reagan Coalition. That’s the model of the Democratic Party.”

http://www.alipac.us/article-2854-thread-1-0.html

http://www.arkansasleader.com/2005/10/edit

http://www.arkansasleader.com/frontstories/st_08_11_04/huckabee8.html

debbie0040 January 11, 2008 at 8:42 pm

http://www.arkansasleader.com/2007/11/editorialswhos-biggest-tax-raiser.html
http://www.nwanews.com/adg/national/203850/
http://www.alipac.us/ftopicp-551344.html#551344
http://www.rightwingnews.com/interviews/huckabee.php

Gov. Mike Huckabee Thursday denounced a bill by Sen. Jim Holt that would deny state benefits to illegal immigrants as un-Christian, un-American, irresponsible and anti-life … Senate Bill 206, filed Wednesday, also would require proof of citizenzhip to register to vote and would require state agencies to report suspected cases of people living in the country illegally … ‘Even if benefits to people who are in the U.S illegally could be stopped, ‘I don’t understand how a practicing Christian can turn his back on a child from this or any other state,’ Huckabee said … Huckabee said he took exception to characterization of immigrants in the bill and by its supporters as exploiters of social programs. ‘They pay sales taxes on their groceries,’ Huckabee said. ‘They pay fuel taxes. If they’re using a fake Social Security number, they’re paying Social Security taxes and will never receive any benefit … Something that’s not worth sharing is not worth celebrating,’ Huckabee said. ‘This is the kind of country that opens its doors. This bill expresses an un-American attitude.’ January 28, 2005

http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2005/01/28/News/316347.html

debbie0040 January 11, 2008 at 8:43 pm

Gov. Mike Huckabee Thursday denounced a bill by Sen. Jim Holt that would deny state benefits to illegal immigrants as un-Christian, un-American, irresponsible and anti-life … Senate Bill 206, filed Wednesday, also would require proof of citizenzhip to register to vote and would require state agencies to report suspected cases of people living in the country illegally … ‘Even if benefits to people who are in the U.S illegally could be stopped, ‘I don’t understand how a practicing Christian can turn his back on a child from this or any other state,’ Huckabee said … Huckabee said he took exception to characterization of immigrants in the bill and by its supporters as exploiters of social programs. ‘They pay sales taxes on their groceries,’ Huckabee said. ‘They pay fuel taxes. If they’re using a fake Social Security number, they’re paying Social Security taxes and will never receive any benefit … Something that’s not worth sharing is not worth celebrating,’ Huckabee said. ‘This is the kind of country that opens its doors. This bill expresses an un-American attitude.’ January 28, 2005

http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2005/01/28/News/316347.html

debbie0040 January 11, 2008 at 8:43 pm
debbie0040 January 11, 2008 at 8:44 pm
dcraigwhite January 11, 2008 at 8:50 pm

Debbie,

Tennessee Temple – good school. I have many friends who attend there, and a great friend who was just hired as the Campus Pastor for Spiritual Life.

King Saul is an interesting case. God promised the people a King, they wanted it on their terms, not on God’s. They put their stock in the man that, by the world’s standards, was the best man for the job. Saul was tall, dark, handsome, and a fierce warrior. He was everything they expected a “king” to be. They found out, fairly quickly, that God’s best was much different then their “best”. Many times, we think we know what’s best, when in all actuality, we have no idea. That’s the lesson I take from my man King Saul.

Now, I gotta take issue with your dad’s point about leaving ministry for politics. You and I would both agree that nowhere is a minister more needed then in politics. My dad is also a pastor, so I know the world you come from (and probably still live in). I know countless people who were once in ministry and now serve in other areas. God calls us to do different things at different times in our lives. This, to me, is no valid criticism of Huck.

Now, for Fred’s comments last night, we all knew what was coming. Everyone and their brother knew that he was going to attack Huck because he has to do be competitive. To say that Huck is part of the “blame America first” crowd is so far fetched it’s not even funny. Great line, but not true. Fred’s going to do everything he can to win SC, I predict a 3rd or 4th place finish at which point he drops out, and like you say, endorses John McCain.

McCain or Huck will win Michigan, thus taking Mitt out.

I think at that point, FL goes to Huck and we see he and McCain battle it out until the convention, with the winner picking up the loser as the VP.

GOPeach January 11, 2008 at 9:31 pm

Damn Debbie-

You need your own blog….TMI girl!

GOPeach January 11, 2008 at 9:36 pm

90% of what Debbie has posted is written by threatened paranoid people like Fred, Mitt, Rudy campaign people –

Notice John McCain people are not ripping Huckabee because they have this thing called CLASS!

Buzz – when Huckabee gets in the White House – don’t act like you were “just kidding” here on Peach Pundit.

We have plenty of evidence that you launched a HATE campaign for Gov. Huckabee!

Icarus January 11, 2008 at 9:43 pm

Who the hell opened up the Costco sized can of “Crazy” tonight?

TrueConservative January 11, 2008 at 9:46 pm

Debbie, you remind of Romney. Everyone hates you.
For more info on Debbie goto:
http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/273570/results

GOPeach January 11, 2008 at 9:49 pm
GOPeach January 11, 2008 at 9:56 pm

True Conservative-
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Icarus Not Costco! SAM’s Size!

Costco gives money to DEMOCRATS!
SAMS gives money to REPUBLICANS!!!

It’s SAM’S size Crazy up in here, Dude! :)

GOPeach January 11, 2008 at 10:00 pm

This is the way I am seeing Debbie when she blog’s her Huckabee smear campaign –

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g213/adam8smart/crazy_face.jpg

GOPeach January 11, 2008 at 10:01 pm

Just kidding! :)

GOPeach January 11, 2008 at 10:01 pm

I am in a crazy mood myself!

GOPeach January 11, 2008 at 10:02 pm

Just nit THAT crazy.

GOPeach January 11, 2008 at 10:02 pm

*not … :)

ConservativeCaucus January 11, 2008 at 10:03 pm

lol Icarus

albert January 11, 2008 at 10:34 pm

nah dude, this is the poll. http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/273570/

TrueConservative January 11, 2008 at 10:39 pm

Now that is funny…..

ConservativeCaucus January 11, 2008 at 11:13 pm

Romney’s comment smacks of a campaign that is desperate. It strikes me as if Romney has asked himself, “how is this former Baptist preacher with no money beating me?”

GOPeach January 12, 2008 at 2:29 am

CC-

I am sure Romney it baffled!

Brian Laurens January 12, 2008 at 5:25 am

Governor Romney knows what he is doing. While that comment might be questionable, he has the funds, organization, and support to run until after Feb. 5th. In fact he is the only candidate that has and will continue to campaign in every state.

debbie0040 January 12, 2008 at 6:03 am

Peach you need to go back to school and learn math. Most of what I have posted has come from conservative columnists or newspaper articles, not any of the candidates. I have posted maybe 10 % of what the campaigns have said. To be honest, I don’t care what you think.

Peach, get over your fantasy about Buzz…

CC, that poll was from last year. If you think for one minute that I will be silenced by someone like you then think again.. It just motivates me that much more because you and others like you don’t like it.

Bill Simon is right on target:

http://politicalvine.com/politicalrumors/rumors/mike-huckabee-the-man-with-no-commonsense/

debbie0040 January 12, 2008 at 6:04 am

When Huckabee loses, you arrogant Huckabee people will have a lot of crow to eat….

debbie0040 January 12, 2008 at 6:09 am

Peach, from what I have heard, you have quite a few of your own problems to worry about…

Besides your Buzz fantasty…

debbie0040 January 12, 2008 at 6:12 am

CC, I noticed you have taken a page out of the Clinton playbook. If you can not attack the message then attack the messenger….

Clinton must have left behind his campaign playbook for the Huckster because the Huckster’s campaign reminds me more and more of Clinton’s campaign..

debbie0040 January 12, 2008 at 6:58 am

Conservative Caucus, Peach, you both attacked me personally. You did not attack the position I held and not my candidate. I won’t forget it. Knowing both of you, I am surprised you did that..

If your strategy was to silence me, it WON”T work..

You can’t discredit the message so you attack the messenger. So Clintonesque…

John Konop January 12, 2008 at 8:25 am

Debbie.

As I said in the past I am neutral on Huckabee. The reason why many of people on all side have defended Huckabee, Obama and Paul is the cherry picking vicious attacks are a real turn off. The Clinton/Bush style attacks you seem to thrive on helps the other candidate.

Even if you think your spewing of hate helps your candidate does it not bother you? You have made racist remarks, you have compared Huckabee supporters to people who supported Jim Jones…….. As I said I am praying, you will see the light!

Since you sited a source that attacks Huckabee on ethics do you agree with the same source that Bush and Cheney should be impeached? And if not why would use that source?

Tea Party January 12, 2008 at 10:13 am

Debs and DC should date.

Debs you made the comment ‘political neophyte’ some along your verbosity and believe that most people are turned off by politics because of the truly brutish nature of the business.

In the end, it is the same polemic inflexibility witnessed in this tiny microcosm that so well represents this Nations’ death spiral of political gridlock.

Vision, not vengeance, is the path toward redemption of American progress over issues such as healthcare and insurance reform, workable border security, and a very long list of legitimate issues.

As Goldwater Con and I agree, whomever becomes POTUS in November, little will change in the big issues.

IMO we all wait for the’ other shoe to drop’ in a reactive and not proactive state.

I urge that we all become part of the solution, and not a continuance of the problem.

ConservativeCaucus January 12, 2008 at 10:47 am

Debbie, I am extremely confused on a number of issues:

1) What poll is from last year?

2) How did I attack you personally? Please show me where I did this. I re-read the entire post and I see no place where you could get this impression. In fact, in previous posts, I have stood up for you – where does this come from?

3) I fully acknowledge that Huckabee could lose. In fact, he still has a long way to go. The smart money is on McCain right now. Do I think Huckabee can win? Absolutely! But by no means do I think he has it in the bag.

4) How did I attack the messenger and not the message? By saying that it sounds like his campaign is desperate? Please tell me that isn’t attacking the messenger…

Heck, even Brian admits the comment was “questionable.”

eburke January 12, 2008 at 10:52 am

Deb,
negative campaigning doesn’t work against candidates perceived to be nice guys. It only makes the one who run the ads look mean. I think that is what happened to Mitt. He was leading until he started going negative on everyone. My own favorability of Romney has dropped substantially over the last month. He has really turned me off.

Still Looking January 12, 2008 at 11:08 am

Does anyone care about a Target gift registry? It just doesn’t seem to have much signifigance. If you want to beat up on Huckabee, there is plenty of more viable material: fair tax, evolution, foreign policy experience. We need to stick to things that matter.

eburke January 12, 2008 at 11:18 am

Also note that for King Saul’s faults, he did reign for 40 years and brought stability to Israel and was used be God to keep order.

souldrift January 12, 2008 at 12:22 pm

I’m enjoying watching the far right goons flip out now that Huckabee is in the lead in Georgia. The fiscal conservatives have ridden the backs of the social conservatives for YEARS f not DECADES; now what they’ve sown is finally coming back to them, and THEY DO NOT LIKE IT!

I’m also enjoying that Huckabee and Obama are showing the pompous blow-hards on conservative talk radio that cordiality and avoiding talking down to ones’ opponents is attractive to the American people. It restores my faith in us. Again, the self-important fiscal conservative crowd DOES NOT LIKE IT!

Ha! This is truly awesome.

Bill Simon January 12, 2008 at 12:23 pm

At the time of that poll (June 2006), Stephanie Mills was not familiar with GOPeach’s rantings. In fact, back then, no one was.

But, we’re ALL better educated today. :-)

Grits January 12, 2008 at 3:30 pm

Mike Huckabee has a lot more going for him than the Evangelical vote: Fair Tax vote, Pro-Life vote; and people who realize that this man is a leader (Baptist Asso, Governors Asso). He will set a vision for America that will point us up – vertical politics that he talks about. Plus, he is real, has a radiate personality, is very articulate and is a true compassionate conservative. I could go on and on. Mike is the man!

GOPeach January 12, 2008 at 4:44 pm

Debbie:

You have aligned yourself personally with all the outrageously loooooooooooong posts. You have personally insulted the Huckabee supporters ( now me included).

I did not start out with Huckabee! I was talked into it and I am glad I was. I began with Ron Paul. But I can not stand with him on the war.

You have smeared smeared smeared Huckabee for his FAITH! That is wrong!

I can not forget that. It is way over the top.

GOPeach January 12, 2008 at 4:48 pm

Still Looking-

How is EVOLUTION an issue????????????????
That is a SAM’s size can of CRAZY!!

I would not give a hoot in hell who said we came from monkeys or angels! BIG WOOP!

GOPeach January 12, 2008 at 4:51 pm

I thought I would share this just in case:

THREE CROW RECIPES

From Debbie, courtesy of her Mom’s WW II cookbook

Crow and Mushroom Stew

3 crows
1 Tbsp lard/shortening
1 pint stock or gravy
2 Tbsp cream
1/2 cup mushrooms
salt and pepper
cayenne pepper

Clean and cut crows into small portions and let them cook a short time in the lard/shortening in a saucepan, being careful not to brown them.
Next, add to the contents of the pan, the stock or gravy, and salt, pepper and cayenne to taste.
Simmer 1 hour, or until tender, add mushrooms, simmer 10 minutes more and then stir in cream.
Arrange the mushrooms around the crows on a hot platter.

Potted Crow:

6 crows
3 bacon slices
stuffing of your choice
1 diced carrot
1 diced onion
chopped parsley
hot water or stock
1/4 cup shortening
1/4 cup flour
buttered toast

Clean and dress crows; stuff and place them upright in stew-pan on the slices of bacon. Add the carrot, onion and a little parsley, and cover with boiling water or stock.
Cover the pot and let simmer for 2-3 hours, or until tender, adding boiling water or stock when necessary.
Make a sauce of the shortening and flour and 2 cups of the stock remaining in the pan.

Serve each crow on a thin slice of moistened toast, and pour gravy over all.

Crow Pie:

1 crow
stuffing of your choice
salt and pepper
shortening
flour
2 Pie crust mixes
2-3 hard-boiled eggs

Stuff the crow. Loosen joints with a knife but do not cut through.
Simmer the crow in a stew-pan, with enough water to cover, until nearly tender, then season with salt and pepper. Remove meat from bones and set aside.
Prepare pie crusts as directed. (Do not bake)
Make a medium thick gravy with flour, shortening, and juices in which the crow has cooked and let cool.
Line a pie plate with pie crust and line with slices of hard-boiled egg. Place crow meat on top. Layer gravy over the crow. Place second pie dough crust over top.

ENJOY! :)

GOPeach January 12, 2008 at 4:54 pm

Eburke- Amen!

souldrift January 12, 2008 at 5:32 pm

“I began with Ron Paul. But I can not stand with him on the war.”

GOPeach – You’ve mentioned one of Huck’s drawbacks, his insistence on following the Bush plan on the war. ON that issue, I’m with Paul. WE HAVE TO STOP being Team America/World Police.

If it’s Huck-Obama, I’m voting Obama. If it’s Huck-Clinton, even though I’m a social liberal (i.e. EVOLUTION–yes, it’s an issue), I’m torn. I could see myself voting for Huck, though I’m not entirely sure.

GOPeach January 12, 2008 at 5:41 pm

Souldrift:

I would write in the name of my dog – Nepolian
before voting for any baby killer candidate.

Nelpolian loves babies – he licks them.

GOPeach January 12, 2008 at 5:42 pm

FYI – My grandkids named him after Nepolian Dynomite :)

Still Looking January 12, 2008 at 6:42 pm

Peach,

In case you didn’t know Huckabee doesn’t believe in evolution. That just might be an issue.

rugby_fan January 12, 2008 at 8:33 pm

“with all the outrageously loooooooooooong posts.”

That is quite rich coming from GOPeach.

Maurice Atkinson January 12, 2008 at 9:15 pm

The more I learn about Mike Huckabee, the more I am impressed with what he stands for. I do agree with Fred Thompson however, this election is for the heart and soul of the Republican Party.

For the past decade, or more, we’ve been sold a bill of goods. Under the banner of “fiscal conservatism” we’ve run our national debt to nearly 10 trillion dollars. We’ve destroyed our manufacturing base, shipping jobs to who knows where, and we “little people” are told to shut up; that we’re too stupid to understand their economics.

I’m no economist, but one thing I can certainly understand is that these 535 members of congress have left an IOUs that are going to be paid by generations to come.

If it were our local government, we would have run them off.

Where were Fred Thompson’s press conferences warning the people of what this congress was doing. Where were John McCain and Ron Paul imploring our leadership to come to its senses?

I remember in the early 90’s when Newt Gingrich, Bob Dornan, Duncan Hunter and others rallied the leadership and sold the Contract With America. That regime is gone. What we replaced it with was meaningless rhetoric.

Yes there is a war, but the war didn’t cost 5 trillion dollars. In my opinion, our leadership in congress has maintained an arrogant bunker mentality with the American people.

Mike Huckabee represents a new idea, which really is an age old idea, a government of the people, by the people and for the people. Amidst all the political rhetoric, to me, he is a voice of reason. Can we really afford to buy the same line we’ve always bought? Its way too expensive and doesn’t live up to its promise.

http://www.hucksarmy.com/video.php

ConservativeCaucus January 12, 2008 at 10:24 pm

Still Looking,

I don’t see how his answer on evolution should

a) disqualify him to be President
b) put him against 90%+ of the American people

When asked whether he believed in evolution, he said that if you are asking whether he believed in a God or not, he admitted that he believes in God. But then he went on to say that he believed that God was active in the creation process.

He then goes on to say, “Now how did He do it, and when did He do it, and how long did He take, I don’t honestly know.”

This puts him in line with 90%+ of the American people… hardly an out of the mainstream view.

ConservativeCaucus January 12, 2008 at 10:26 pm

Debbie, I am still very anxious to get your reply to my post at 10:47am.

You probably have better things to do today than check on a political blog (good for you by the way!), but I am truly interested in your response.

debbie0040 January 12, 2008 at 10:29 pm

CC. I apologize, I meant to write True conservative. too early in the morning.

As for GOPeach, anyone want to know who she is?

IndyInjun January 12, 2008 at 10:36 pm

MA Wrote:

“Where were John McCain and Ron Paul imploring our leadership to come to its senses?”

Paul was consistently voting against unbalanced budgets, tax increases, writing and warning of the immense financial damage being done. Google ‘Ron Paul and the Federal Reserve” and you will see ample proof.

Maurice, you are totally offbase in blaming the fiscal irresponsibility on the fiscal conservatives, who have been resolute in their objections to the Bush administration.

It was the brain-dead evangels who rescued the most corrupt POTUS in history in 2004 after we fiscal conservatives abandoned him for the disastrous 70% increase in social programs and the doubling of the debt. BTW the only GOPer on the Georgia delegation at the time who voted against the mad spending was our Charlie Norwood.

Unlike Dr. Paul, Hackabee LOVES tax increases and is a democrat running in the GOP, as Fred Thompson accurately pinned him.

My Bible teaches equally against lying and stealing, as much so as against killing babies, but the “Christian Right” or social conservatives turn a blind eye when these things are practiced by their heros Hackabee and GW Bush. What gives with that?

You folks really are a confused and confusing lot.

debbie0040 January 12, 2008 at 10:37 pm

CC, I haven’t been online all day. I was typing while reading your post and put you instead of TC. I owe you lunch next time you are over this way. I am truly sorry

I have been all day where you were last weekend..
I was mostly referring to Peach about the arrongance part…

Anyone that thinks Romney if finished is foolish.

Barak Obama’s Church. Interesting reading..

http://www.tucc.org/about.htm

ConservativeCaucus January 12, 2008 at 10:47 pm

Okay. I hoped that was the case.

Romney is a strong candidate (I do confess I believe he is flawed, but a strong candidate nonetheless).

You are correct… those that think their guy has it in the bank are counting their chickens before they hatch.

I can see a credible way for all five to become the nominee and I would submit that Thompson and Huckabee’s are the most narrow. Huckabee needs to do nicely in Michigan (third is fine, but a strong third is important), but he needs to win SC. If he doesn’t win SC, then Romney’s prediction could be almost true (I do like Huckabee’s chances in Arkansas and for that matter GA).

We have a strong field, but all of them have serious strengths, and all have significant weaknesses.

If not Huckabee, then please Thompson.

debbie0040 January 12, 2008 at 10:52 pm

Peach, I have not smeared Huckabe because of his faith. I believe he is using his faith or religion to get elected and to hide his record and I do object to that.

Peach what is it with Huckabee and his supporters? You all seemed to be fixated on body parts, you on Buzz’s legs and Huck on Fred’s rear…

Friday, January 11, 2008

MIKE HUCKABEE, FRED THOMPSON

Huckabee: ‘Fred Needs Some Metamucil.’

Huckabee, asked about Thompson going after him last night:

JOE SCARBOROUGH: Last night, now tell me what was happening. It certainly looked like Fred Thompson was doing John McCain’s bidding. You know Fred, I love him, I served with him up in Congress, but he’s been asleep for the last couple months. He woke up last night, and he had a hatchet, and he used it all over your head now. What’s going on here?

MIKE HUCKABEE: That he did.

SCARBOROUGH: Why?

HUCKABEE: Well, I think Fred needs some Metamucil. I think it would help a lot if he gets some. You know, he was in a bad mood last night.

BRZEZINSKI: Did he just say that?

HUCKABEE: But the truth is he’s going to have to hope that this writers’ guild strike ends soon. He needs some new lines, and he needs to get some good research. Because when he was out there calling me things like a liberal, of all the things I’ve been called that’s a laughable line, that’s gotta be one of the great ones.

The Thompson campaign’s response:

So Fred Thompson criticizes Huckabee’s political positions, and Huckabee’s response is…a juvenile personal insult?

You stay classy, Huckabee.

http://www.evangelicalsformitt.org/

Mitt is not even close to being out …Looks Huckabee is slinging mud as well.

debbie0040 January 12, 2008 at 11:03 pm

I will support whoever is the GOP nominee. The Supreme Court is way too important. We are all family after all…

Barak Obama could be the Democratic nominee and that is scary…Almost as scary as Hillary. Those are reasons for us all to put all our differences aside after the GOP nominee is chosen and work our tails to ensure whoever the GOP nominee is, he wins in November..

One thing that puzzles me about the whole primary season is that McCain is doing so well…Huckabee, I could see coming , but not McCain…

CC, You said,”We have a strong field, but all of them have serious strengths, and all have significant weaknesses.” You are correct. The perfect candidate would be if you combined Huckabee and Thompson. He would have Fred’s belief’s and record and Huckabee’s personality and dedication.

Maurice Atkinson January 12, 2008 at 11:26 pm

Indy, to simply vote against a measure is hardly leadership. He was ONE of 435 house members. ONE person could make a difference. Remember ’94?

Fred, McCain and Paul left a 10 trillion dollar debt. Huckabee left a surplus, overhauled a dilapidated infrastructure and enhanced the educational environment moving them from 49th to 8th? That’s problem solving. If that’s liberalism, I’m all for it. I would rather see results than excuses.

Consider Georgia DOT, it takes 20 years to STUDY a 2 mile stretch of roadway. It takes 4 years to widen a 2 mile stretch (Mercer University Dr.). Where is the uproar. When a group complains they’re branded as kooks. Then when an administrative change is made and the incompetence is exposed what happens, our FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE brothers wheel and deal to slam the door shut on her. Its repugnant.

I’m thoroughly sick of the establishment’s excuses. I’m looking forward to a wholesale change in government. The problem is, there aren’t enough COMPETENT people involving themselves in the process, and what’s left is covering their own.

IndyInjun January 13, 2008 at 12:01 am

Maurice,

I believe that you and Shep are good folks.

You wrote “… I’m looking forward to a wholesale change in government. The problem is, there aren’t enough COMPETENT people involving themselves in the process, and what’s left is covering their own.”

I could vote for either of you (hahaha but not if you ran on the Fair???tax), but I really believe that Huckabee is a false prophet, just as Bush 43 is.

Many times Paul was on the losing end of 425-3 votes. It was a lonely position to be in, no?

What we all need is a unifying candidate. There are two in SC, DeMint and Sanford. There is another in OK named Coburn.

I never felt that Dr. Paul was going to win. People vote on subjectives that he was too old, too unknown, and not physically imposing enough to overcome. It is sad that the masses chose on such bases, but it is undeniable.

This is the most important election in our lives and I think we are all bummed out at the choices.

On the economic front, there is no one like Ron Paul and in the all-to-near future there is going to be a financial collapse worse than 1929. I will be proud that I tried everything in my power to get the one man who could help elected, even if we did fall short.

The Fair???tax will get Huckabee wiped out in the general election. GOPers are afraid to take on the powerful corporate interests behind it.

At the state level, nothing is being said about we conservatives putting up opposition to the ruinous Chambliss so that we actually have a CHOICE in that race.

You guys are as frustrated as I am, but we disagree on the solution.

Maurice Atkinson January 13, 2008 at 12:21 am

We rip on the Clinton years. He started with a 4 trillion debt, left us with 5 trillion. Bush is leaving us with 10 trillion!! And, we ran both houses of congress for the bulk of it.

So who is liberal?

IndyInjun January 13, 2008 at 1:09 am

Maurice,

Exactly.

Nearly ALL are liberal, with less than 50 in the House and Senate deserving of a conservative label.

What we all should find frightening is the expansion of the powers of the state just as the excesses from the size of the state threaten a financial collapse. The forces in play won’t lead to a return to conservatism, limited government, and the Constitution, but to the domination of the nanny state over us all.

If we don’t get the direction changed NOW, we may not get another chance.

GOPeach January 13, 2008 at 7:18 am
GOPeach January 13, 2008 at 7:22 am

“I understand the workers in this state. I can see the fear in their eyes. They know that any day could be the day when they are told their jobs are headed to Mexico or the Middle East, and when that happens they’ll wonder how they’re going to put food on the table.”

Huckabee said he knows winning Tuesday’s primary in Michigan will be tough.

He points out Arizona Sen. John McCain won in the state’s 2000 GOP primary and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney has strong ties, having grown up in Michigan and is the son of three-time governor George Romney.

The schedule Saturday for McCain included Warren, Livonia and Clawson.

But Huckabee said both opponents are Washington insiders and multi-millionaire businessmen, out of touch with the common man.

“I know there are people out there who run around the house turning off the lights not because Al Gore tells them to, but because they want to lower next month’s electric bill,” he said.

GOPeach January 13, 2008 at 7:41 am

Okay –

I really respect John McCain as a POW. He served our nation like so many others. He is lucky. My brother died in Viet Nam. John McCain lived and became a US Senator. That is wonderful.

I just do not think he has the charisma to beat Obama or Hillary. I would hate to see him dishonored by them – that would be heartbreaking.

John Konop January 13, 2008 at 8:36 am

ConservativeCaucus

You might find this interesting!

From Daily Kos

In 1972, Republican voters in Michigan decided to make a little mischief, crossing over to vote in the open Democratic primary and voting for segregationist Democrat George Wallace, seriously embarrassing the state’s Democrats. In fact, a third of the voters (PDF) in the Democratic primary were Republican crossover votes. In 1988, Republican voters again crossed over, helping Jesse Jackson win the Democratic primary, helping rack up big margins for Jackson in Republican precincts. (Michigan Republicans can clearly be counted on to practice the worst of racial politics.) In 1998, Republicans helped Jack Kevorkian’s lawyer — quack Geoffrey Feiger — win his Democratic primary, thus guaranteeing their hold on the governor’s mansion that year.

With a history of meddling in our primaries, why don’t we try and return the favor. Next Tuesday, January 15th, Michigan will hold its primary. Michigan Democrats should vote for Mitt Romney, because if Mitt wins, Democrats win.

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/democrats-for-romney

debbie0040 January 13, 2008 at 10:35 am

This really sounds like Huckabee will unite people. I can imagine the ads the Dems will run against Huckabee.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/12/AR2008011202718.html

Huckabee: Evangelical Christians Now Have a Chance to Lead GOP

By Perry Bacon Jr. and Juliet Eilperin
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, January 13, 2008; Page A17

GRAND RAPIDS, Mich., Jan. 12 — Former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee touted his candidacy Saturday as a chance for evangelical Christians to lead the Republican Party rather than just support its candidates.

“I don’t presume that you automatically support me because of a common faith,” Huckabee told a group of more than 100 conservative pastors. “I know I have to earn that. But I also recognize that there is a unique kind of opportunity. For a long time, those of us who are people of faith are asked to support candidates who would come and talk to us. But rarely has there been one who comes from us.”

GOPeach January 13, 2008 at 11:23 am

Why is it okay for:

Rudy to rally Trial Lawyers…
Mitt to rally Venture Capitalists…
McCain to rally Veterans…
Ron Paul to rally Doctors…

but when Mike Huckabee rallies Pastors….
everyone sucks all the air out of the room!!!!!!

We all COME FROM SOMEWHERE!

It would not be right for Mike Huckabee to apologize for being a former Baptist pastor — That is who he is!

GOPeach January 13, 2008 at 11:34 am

Debbie:

Arrogance???? Me??????
Look …. Anything I said to insult you was a joke!!!

I could care less if you support FRED THOMPSON! He is not bad compared to Hillary and Obama.

I doubt I could ever be a Fred Fan or a Fred Head but I would vote AGAINST Hillary and Obama early and often! :)

But the “insults” were jokes…. I am known for NOT always being serious. You are TOO serious and when you start all those loooooooooong posts it is like you really need your own blog to post threads for other people to comment on YOUR BLOG! It’s like you do not leave COMMENTS like it states above this box I am typing in…. ” LEAVE A COMMENT” … Not ” LEAVE AN ARTICLE” … :)

It is better when you leave a paragraph and a link
unless of course YOUR COMMENT is LONG! That is different … at least it is YOUR COMMENT not someone else’s article….

That’s all!! Ya got me ?

GOPeach January 13, 2008 at 11:39 am
GOPeach January 13, 2008 at 11:40 am

It looks like McCain and Romney could split the ticket for HUCKABEE to slide past the and take the lead AGAIN! :)

GOPeach January 13, 2008 at 11:41 am

slide pass * them and take the lead…

GOPeach January 13, 2008 at 11:45 am

Mike Huckabee’s MICHIGAN TV AD – WOW!!!

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/10/huckabees-michigan-ad/

GOPeach January 13, 2008 at 11:48 am

Huckabee has been using the “guy that they work with, not the guy that laid them off” line for a couple of months now, yet no one in the media has picked up on the fact that Bain Capital, founded by Romney, is a private equity firm that buys distressed companies and salvages them by cutting costs (laying people off) then sells them for a profit. In fact, Romney keeps referring to Bain as a venture capital company which is a romantic euphemism, at best.

GOPeach January 13, 2008 at 12:02 pm

Domino’s Pizza founder endorses Romney.

I KNEW I liked Stevie B’s and Papa John’s! :)
Seriously Domino’s is too salty for my taste!

GOPeach January 13, 2008 at 12:03 pm

9th post…. just kidding!

Bill Simon January 13, 2008 at 12:37 pm

Grits,

Huckabee also has the Get-Out-of-Jail-Free-Card Vote:

http://huckabeefacts.com/?p=1

Bill Simon January 13, 2008 at 12:44 pm

At the end of THAT video is a copy of the letter Huckabee wrote to dear old recidivism candidate Wayne Dumon in 1996:

Dear Wayne,

My desire is that you be released from prison. I feel now that parole is the best way for your reintegration into society.

After his “desire” was met to release Dumon 25 years earlier than he should have been released, Huckabee’s “releasee” went out and murdered a woman within 1 year of being released.

Here’s the video on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFTdif_Lvsk

ConservativeCaucus January 13, 2008 at 1:34 pm

It is convenient in “gotcha” politics to leave out the context of that letter from Huckabee to Dumond:

1) He denied his clemency four times.
2) There was a lot of speculation at the time that the original trial was improper.
3) Dumond had good behavior in prison.
4) The parole board were the ones to release him under parole supervision.
5) A previous administration was the one to make parole possible in the first place.

Huckabee’s response to this:
http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=TruthSquad.DumondRes

National Review’s (which chose to endorse another candidate) take on this:
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=M2IyZjUzM2I3NjQ2MjhkMGZkMTI4ZTIwNDlmMTY0MzM=

He has admitted that he was wrong about thinking that Dumond had cleaned up his act, but this issue is not as straightforward as his opponents would have us believe.

GOPeach January 13, 2008 at 1:41 pm

UNDER ROMNEY – MURDERS & ROBBERY WENT UP!

Romney became governor in January 2003 and left office in January 2007. Comparing the numbers between 2002 and 2006, we can calculate how crime rates changed in Massachusetts during the Romney administration.

Murders went up from 173 in 2002 to 186 in 2006, for an increase of 7.5 percent. The murder rate — the number of people murdered per 100,000 people — moved up from 2.7 to 2.9.

Robberies increased more than murders. Robberies in Massachusetts increased from 7,169 to 8,047, a jump of 12.2 percent. The robbery rate increased from 111.5 to 125.

So what made the violent crime rate go down if murders and robberies went up? The biggest category decline under Romney was aggravated assault, which declined from 22,018 to 18,800, a drop of 14.6 percent.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/194/

TrueConservative January 13, 2008 at 1:59 pm

Debbie, take your medication…

debbie0040 January 13, 2008 at 2:03 pm

Dummond’s victim pleaded with Gov. Huckabee not to release him. Parole Board members have said the Huckabee put pressure on them to release Dummond.

Huffington Post has letters from Dumond’s rape victims:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/05/exclusive-the-complete-h_n_75373.html

The article below details Huckabee’s role. I would advise you read the entire article as I have included a snipit and it is very informative:

“Editor’s note, Sept. 1, 2005: Wayne Dumond, convicted of rape in Arkansas and murder in Missouri, died of apparent natural causes in prison Tuesday.

The occasion prompts us to republish Murray Waas’ prize-winning article for the Arkansas Times in 2002 about the extraordinary steps Gov. Mike Huckabee took to help win Dumond’s freedom. He has since blamed others for Dumond’s release to kill again, but his actions over many years demonstrated his support for Dumond and, ultimately, the instrumental role he played in the parole board’s decision to free him.”
http://www.arktimes.com/Articles/ArticleViewer.aspx?ArticleID=154e1aad-fd18-4efd-8d80-b5dab8559419

Let us not whitewash governor’s Clemencies

http://www.arkansasleader.com/frontstories/st_07_28_04/huckabee6.html

debbie0040 January 13, 2008 at 2:07 pm

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=12430

Read the entire articles as I included snipits:

Over the course of his 10 and a half years as governor, Huckabee granted a staggering 1,033 clemencies, according to the Associated Press. That was more than double the combined 507 that were granted during the 17 and a half years of his three predecessors: Bill Clinton, Frank White, and Jim Guy Tucker.

In many cases, Huckabee’s actions set loose savage criminals convicted of grisly murders over the passionate objections of prosecutors and victims’ families.

“I felt like Huckabee had more compassion for the murderers than he ever did for the victims,” Elaine Colclasure, co-leader of the Central Arkansas chapter of Parents of Murdered Children, a group that works on behalf of victims’ families, told TAS. “He was kind of like a defense attorney. He couldn’t see the pain and suffering that the victims were going through.”

Among the violent criminals Huckabee granted clemency to were Denver Witham, who was “convicted of beating a man to death with a lead pipe at a bar,” according to the AP; Robert A. Arnold Jr., who was convicted of killing his father in law; Willy Way Jr., who pled guilty to shooting a grocery store owner as his wife looked on; and James Maxwell, who murdered a reverend. According to the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, when the reverend’s daughter met with Huckabee to plead that Maxwell be denied clemency, Huckabee “‘affectionately referred’ to her father’s killer as ‘Jim.'”

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YWFjYjFmOWMwYThjYzcwM2FiYmE5MDcyMmM4NzlkMGQ=%26w=MA

The question is if there was there a connection between his wife Glenda Fields’s five-figure political donations and Huckabee’s action. On April 14, 2004, then-Gov. Huckabee commuted the sentence of Mr. Fields — then a four-time driving-while-intoxicated offender — granting him early release from prison. Fields, a resident of the western Arkansas town of Van Buren, was a habitual offender. He had already been convicted of DWIs in 1996, 1998, and 2000, but his 2001 felony-DWI conviction resulted in the maximum six-year prison sentence and a $5,000 fine.

The political contributions by the Fields family — large by Arkansas standards — went unreported at the time Huckabee granted Eugene Fields executive clemency. The size of the donations places the Fields family in the top tier of the state GOP’s donors, alongside Arkansas aristocracy like the scions of the Fords and Stephens families. Both Scott Ford, CEO of Alltel, and Warren Stephens, CEO of Stephens, Inc., gave the Arkansas Republican party $10,000 in 2003. (Full disclosure: I write a column that is distributed by Stephens Media.)

ConservativeCaucus January 13, 2008 at 2:07 pm

Debbie, I imagine that you and I are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

I would like to point out that Huffington Post is not usually the best source for updates on GOP candidates.

The parole board members who claimed that Huckabee pressured them (you know, the ones who were appointed by Jim Guy Tucker and Bill Clinton) only said so AFTER he didn’t reappoint them. I am sure that they had no ulterior motives.

TrueConservative January 13, 2008 at 2:17 pm

The woman on the parole board who claims Huckabee pressured her to release Dumond only “remembered” this pressure the first time he ran for re-election after Dumond’s release. Mike has publicly said he regrets writing the letter to Dumond saying he wanted him to be released; the last part of that sentence says, but “I refuse your request for commutation” (which Mike did 4 times to Dumond!).

debbie0040 January 13, 2008 at 2:19 pm

You are right about the Huffington post. The letters speak for themselves, it does not matter where they are posted. They are letters from Dumond’s victim, no disputing that.

Dumond was not the only murderer Huckabee pardoned.

Speaking of ulterior motives, Huckabee has a bigger motive than anyone to lie about what happened. The Huckabee campaign even denied the existance of the letter Huckabee wrote to Dumond until it was presented to them and they had no alternative but to admit it at that point.

debbie0040 January 13, 2008 at 2:24 pm

There is no doubt in my mind that he pressured the parole board.

What about the other murderers he released besides Dumond?

Close your eyes and imagine that you had a loved one brutally murdered . The murderer was sentenced to life in prison. You feel some sense of justice knowing he would never be free again. Then the murderer has a jailhouse conversion and his sentence is commuted d by Gov. Huckabee. The Governor pays no heed to your pleas not to release him. The Governor is even arrogant and does not follow the law about the commutations.

Imagine you wake up one day and find this man running for President. How would you feel?

ConservativeCaucus January 13, 2008 at 2:25 pm

Debbie, if you want to try to distort the truth about Dumond, be my guest, but he DID NOT pardon Dumond. Perhaps it is an honest mistake on your part, but please state it honestly. You can say he was in favor of parole or speculate that he “pressured” the Democrat-appointed parole board to parole him, but to state that he pardoned him is simply not true.

Dumond was paroled by the parole board and Huckabee DENIED any and all commutations.

debbie0040 January 13, 2008 at 2:26 pm

This is powerful :

“I felt like Huckabee had more compassion for the murderers than he ever did for the victims,” Elaine Colclasure, co-leader of the Central Arkansas chapter of Parents of Murdered Children, a group that works on behalf of victims’ families, told TAS. “He was kind of like a defense attorney. He couldn’t see the pain and suffering that the victims were going through.”

debbie0040 January 13, 2008 at 2:27 pm

I should have said paroled not pardoned. I would advise you to read the articles posted. He only denied the commuation after public outcry and then put pressure on the parole board.

GOPeach January 13, 2008 at 2:32 pm

Debbie:

” I felt like Huckabee had ..”

Anyone can have a “feeling”.

GOPeach January 13, 2008 at 2:33 pm

By the way that is not ” powerful”. :)

GOPeach January 13, 2008 at 2:36 pm

Shall we go to the FBI web-site and site every crime under Romney’s watch?

Or better yet how about under Rudy’s watch?

I find it over petty to go after Huckabee for a tragic mutder. I am sure he was very sad for the family of this victim. The picture is painted like he is some cold hearted person .

Yeah – right! Everyone believes that!

GOPeach January 13, 2008 at 2:37 pm

* murder

Maurice Atkinson January 13, 2008 at 2:38 pm

Nah, but Debbie ought to start her own 900 line. This woman KNOWS all about all.

Back home they called them busy bodies.

debbie0040 January 13, 2008 at 2:40 pm

It wasn’t just one member that said Huckabee lobbied for Dumond’s release:
On Oct. 31, 1996, Huckabee met with the parole board. Huckabee has categorically denied that he supported the Dumond parole during the closed portion of the meeting, but four current and former board members tell the Times that Huckabee in fact did so.

The minutes of the Oct. 31, 1996, open meeting provide no detail as to what transpired.
The minutes simply state: “Governor Mike Huckabee and the board went into executive session. The board appreciates the governor meeting with them to discuss his and other concerns regarding criminal justice and rehabilitation and sharing his viewpoints on other issues.”

Present at the meeting were Brownlee, Chastain, Allen, Pieroni and Suttlar.

Chastain, Suttlar and two other board members who spoke on the condition of anonymity said that Huckabee made it known that he favored a commutation of Dumond’s sentence.

All four also said it was when Huckabee brought up the subject that the chairman, Brownlee, closed the meeting to the press.

They further contradicted Huckabee’s later claims that it was Chastain and not Huckabee who first raised the Dumond issue.

“It was thought to be a routine meeting,” Chastain recalled. “Huckabee said, ‘There is this one case I want to talk to you about.’ ”

Brownlee then had the board go into executive session, Chastain said. “The governor commented that Wayne Dumond had received, from his perspective, a raw deal, that he was someone from the wrong side of the tracks … and that he had received what he thought was too long a sentence for that type of crime.”

Suttlar also said Brownlee closed the meeting after Huckabee raised the Dumond case.

Huckabee and his spokesman Rex Nelson have also claimed that any mention of the Dumond matter at the October meeting was fleeting, but Chastain and other board members dispute that. They say the remarks were substantive.

Suttlar noted that just prior to Huckabee’s appearance before the board the board had voted 4-1 against Dumond’s parole. After Huckabee’s board appearance, her colleagues largely reversed themselves, voting 4-1 for Dumond’s release.

“Why did all the votes change?” Suttlar asked. The board members knew the governor’s position. And Huckabee knows what influence a governor has over a board. Who’s going to turn down a governor?”

A board member, who only agreed to speak on condition of anonymity, said, “We are not talking rocket science here. The board jobs are known to some degree [to be] political patronage, and they’re not the most difficult jobs for the pay.” Board members currently earn more than $70,000 a year.

“And then there’s the most obvious: If the governor likes you, you might get to keep your job.” One board who voted for Dumond, Railey Steele, was reappointed shortly before his vote. Brownlee was reappointed by Huckabee this year.

On Aug. 29, 1996, the parole board denied Dumond parole on a 4-1 vote. Dr. Charles Chastain voted for parole; August Pieroni, Railey Steele, Fred Allen and Suttlar voted against. Brownlee didn’t vote. (Chastain’s vote was part of a board custom of giving inmates one positive vote as an encouragement for good behavior.)

On Sept. 10, 1996, the board took another vote, going 5-0 against recommending executive clemency and 5-0 against recommending an executive pardon. The no votes were cast by Steele, Brownlee, Pieroni, Suttlar and Fred Allen.

On Sept. 20, Gov. Huckabee announced his intention to commute Wayne Dumond’s sentence to time served.

The governor and his staff were unprepared for the public outcry that followed his announcement that he was likely to free Dumond.

Under state law, the governor had to wait at least 30 days — but not more than 120 — after his Sept. 20 clemency announcement to allow the public, legislators, prosecutors, and other interested parties to present their views before he made a final decision. Huckabee was required to make a decision before Jan. 20, 1997. As it turned out, the board voted four days before the deadline to parole Dumond, sparing Huckabee from the decision.

GOPeach January 13, 2008 at 2:43 pm

If Romney is attacking Huckabee on COMPASSION…. that is not cool. Huckabee could talk about how MURDER AND ROBBERY went UP under Romney’s Watch!

I guess he was too bust cutting deals or ,preaching as a MORMON BISHOP!!! That’s right – Romney is a MORMON Missionary and Bishop!

Romney served in France for 30 months as a missionary for LDS Church.

In addition to his missionary work in France, Romney has served as a part-time lay minister, called a bishop, and has also been a stake president in his church.

So Huckabee is not the ONLY former minister running for office!!!!

GOPeach January 13, 2008 at 2:45 pm
GOPeach January 13, 2008 at 2:46 pm

*busy

GOPeach January 13, 2008 at 2:50 pm

Here is the way the Mormon church leadership is laid out:

http://www.carm.org/lds/ldsstructure.htm

So as we can see – Romney was a congregational leader ( like a pastor) and a leader to pastors ( Stake President ) … someone over several Wards ( congregations) .

GOPeach January 13, 2008 at 2:52 pm

Bishop Romney for President! :)

TrueConservative January 13, 2008 at 3:37 pm

If you want to know the in-depth detailed answers as to how Mike plans to lead this Great Country and lift up ALL people – not just the impoverished and not just the wealthy – and if you want to experience how inspiring he truly is, watch his speech to the Detroit Economic Club. Without negativity or attacks, he clearly outlines how well-applied fiscal conservatism, and the FairTax, raises up everyone and generates productivity and ingenuity and renews hope. He discusses that, and much more, in detailed, simple, clear and inspiring language

GOPeach January 13, 2008 at 3:40 pm

TC –

Give a link!

debbie0040 January 13, 2008 at 3:49 pm

Maurice, and we call people like you political hacks. You buy hook, line and sinker the spin from the Huckabee camp and then proceed to defend his record. You get very angry when someone disputes that and shows facts to dispute that. Tough. You can not dispute the facts so you insult the messenger to try to silence them. Not going to work.

True conservative, you need to quit drinking the Huckabee joy juice and face reality.

If you want to know how the Huckster would lead, then you look at how he has lead in the past . In other words, believe his record not his campaign rhetoric..

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/huckabee_cut_crime_and_taxes.html

Huckabee Cut Crime and Taxes?
January 2, 2008
The truth is that violent crime was higher at the end of his term than when he took office, and he raised taxes more than he cut them.
Summary
In the run-up to the Jan. 3 Iowa caucuses, Huckabee is running a TV ad featuring graphics that claim he was “tough on crime” and “brought Arkansas’ crime rate down,” and that he “cut taxes over 90 times as governor.”

In fact, the violent crime rate was higher at the end of his tenure than it was the year he took office. And the tax cuts he claims credit for were minor compared with the large increases he approved, which included an increase in the state sales tax.

GOPeach January 13, 2008 at 4:03 pm

This post was so sweet:

“I am a single parent mom raising two children on my own. I have carefully studied the positions of all of the candidates running in both primaries and watched very carefully all of the statements that they have made. I am fully supporting Mike Huckabee. I urge anyone who reads this to form their own opinion by researching the facts. Mike Huckabee can win, if the populace of our country will ignore the pundits and make a decision for themselves. Our future as a country, and the future of those of us who understand the difficulties of raising a family as a single parent, must get involved… Mike Huckabee actually cares about what is happening to us…and has innovative and conservative policies to address the issues. Please consider voting for Mike Huckabee, and get involved on a grassroots level…our government should be of the people, by the people, for the people…that is a republican view!”

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/01/12/politics/fromtheroad/entry3704178.shtml

GOPeach January 13, 2008 at 4:06 pm
John Konop January 13, 2008 at 4:25 pm

Debbie

For you to call Maurice Atkinson a “political hack” is sick! I generally agree with Maurice but when I do disagree any objective person would find him thoughtful and a man who thinks for himself!

Also the racist attacks on Obama will only help him. I disagree with Obama on many issues but I respect how he has not used race like Jessie Jackson to become a front runner. The Klan type attacks you spew hurt our country, can you not sick to issues and stop the hate.

You need real help and I will pray for you.

Bill Simon January 13, 2008 at 4:31 pm

Well…upon checking FactCheck.org, it seems Mr. Huckabee is quite the pathological liar:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/huckabees_attack_ad_runs_after_all.html

Wow…and he being a “Baptist preacher” and all.

Mike Huckabee: 2008’s reincarnation of Bill Clinton.

debbie0040 January 13, 2008 at 4:52 pm

John, I will not say this again. You are making accusations that are not true. but then you don’t care about the truth. You live in your own little fantasy world, perhaps in one where you actually beat Price and were actually not humilated by him.
You spout outright lies. You are delusional.

You accused me of being racist. Show me where I was.

For the record Maurice attacked me by calling me a busy body and I then responded back.

And please quit posting links trying to direct people here to your site. Your site is irrelevant and no one cares what you think.-

I found the best way to handle trolls like you is to ignore them.

Maurice Atkinson January 13, 2008 at 5:07 pm

This is too hilarious. Debbie, it takes an awful lot to make this hack mad…

Maurice Atkinson January 13, 2008 at 5:08 pm

The estimated population of the United States is 304,072,442so each citizen’s share of this debt is $30,265.16.The National Debt has continued to increase an average of $1.48 billion per day since September 29, 2006!  Concerned?

GOPeach January 13, 2008 at 5:14 pm

What is this??? A HACK ATTACK??? :)

Maurice Atkinson January 13, 2008 at 5:19 pm

Peach, Romney bought Dominos for a billion in ’98. I would be running faster than Ralph at an indian casino if someone was buying my business for that. Heck yeah.

Maurice Atkinson January 13, 2008 at 5:20 pm

Couldn’t pass on that. I can’t run so, I guess I should say I would gimp faster. har har.

John Konop January 13, 2008 at 5:35 pm

Debbie

THE TRUH WILL SET YOU FREE!

Bill Simon January 13, 2008 at 5:41 pm

Peach,

I’m betting $100 that it will be discovered that that blog post from a supposed “single parent with 2 children” will be discovered as being authored by an inside-the-Huckabee-camp worker. It’s just TOO pat of a post not to be professinally written.

GOPeach January 13, 2008 at 6:06 pm

No Bill-

Some people actually have warm blood instead of ice water that flows through their veins.

GOPeach January 13, 2008 at 6:13 pm

How do you get a KSU graduate off your front porch?A: Pay him for the pizza :)

GOPeach January 13, 2008 at 6:15 pm

How do you get a ROMNEY SUPPORTER off your front porch? A: Pay him for the pizza! :)

Brian Laurens January 13, 2008 at 6:39 pm

Thank you Peach, You are the best spokesman that Romney has. Keep on preachin sista!

debbie0040 January 13, 2008 at 7:32 pm

Brian Laurens, email me.

TrueConservative January 13, 2008 at 8:46 pm

Can a true Christian support a Mormon?

http://www.mrm.org/

If Romney is the nominee, The GOP is the party of the Christian Conservative no more….

albert January 13, 2008 at 9:03 pm
albert January 13, 2008 at 9:05 pm
Hank Reardan January 13, 2008 at 9:11 pm

TrueConservative
You are a f%$?ing loser.

GOPeach January 13, 2008 at 9:26 pm

Brian –

I would support Romney over Hillary & Obama!

GOPeach January 13, 2008 at 9:31 pm

But….. it would be really hard.

GOPeach January 13, 2008 at 9:33 pm
GOPeach January 13, 2008 at 10:11 pm

Huck has MO! Momentum!

ConservativeCaucus January 13, 2008 at 10:14 pm

There is plenty to attack Romney on, please leave religious discussions out of it. If you want to talk religion, please find a religious blog.

I truly enjoy religious discussions, and we are, as a whole, a religious people, but PLEASE I beg you, stick to the issues!

GOPeach January 13, 2008 at 10:37 pm

Okay CC! I’ll stop preachin! :)

GOPeach January 13, 2008 at 10:43 pm

In fact … I am sorry.

I should never repay evil with evil. I saw how Gov. Huckabee kept getting attacked by people because of his faith … and …. I thought …

You can dish it out but you can NOT take it!
I’ll get back up on the high road. Peace :)

TrueConservative January 13, 2008 at 10:46 pm

My faith is at the heart of every policy that I believe in. I will not put my faith on a shelf to make you happy, that would make me a hypocrite.

Here is Mitt on policy:

http://conservativesagainstromney.com/

I wonder how the Republican establishment thinks they will win without the conservative Christian base? After they have conspired against a good man in Mike Huckabee, do they think we will come crawling back and support their nominee? They are sadly mistaken. This conservative Christian will find it his duty is to become an independent and convince others in the Christian community to vote anything but Republican.

GOPeach January 13, 2008 at 11:06 pm

I think the Christian base ignores the establishment. I know I do! :)

Bill Simon January 13, 2008 at 11:48 pm

“True Christians” would not involve themselves in politics.

TrueConservative January 13, 2008 at 11:59 pm

A consistent trait throughout history is that societies to break down, decay, and eventually disappear. It is also true that a society cannot operate long in a moral vacuum. When people of good conscience fail to influence society with their values, other influences will fill the gap. This has happened in America. In the past one hundred years, most fundamental Christians have left the political arena, considering it “worldly” and outside the legitimate realm of Christian influence.

TrueConservative January 14, 2008 at 12:03 am

Christians need to be involved in the political process in order to have a positive effect on the future of our communities and our nation. It is poor citizenship and poor Christian stewardship to permit this great nation to plunge on toward destruction because Christians were misinformed and did nothing.

Bill Simon January 14, 2008 at 12:09 am

But who’s to say Christians are being informed properly now?

Bush, Jr. should convince you that you folks CAN be easily misled. You act as if you cannot be misled again.

The easist mark (i.e., “victim”) to take advantage of is one who perpetually believes the smooth con-man who says exactly what he knows the victim will want to hear is THE hero to follow.

Huckabee is a con-conservative. The antitheseis of a Conservative. Just like Brudda Bush.

GOPeach January 14, 2008 at 1:30 am

We can ALL be misled. Name me ONE person on this blog who have NEVER been misled!!!

THAT is not the point. The point is pick the candidate who you see representing what matters to you and then hold their feet to the fire.

I think most Christians grew apathetic with Bush. But we can not afford to sleep at the wheel. We have to splash cold water in our face, get some coffee and keep going forward -eye on the road ahead…. not looking in the rear view mirror!!!

We must for our kids and grandkids!

GOPeach January 14, 2008 at 1:31 am

*has NEVER

debbie0040 January 14, 2008 at 5:50 am

Huckabee is a Christian moderate, not a conservative.

I would choose Mitt any day of the week over a supposed preacher that has no problems lying .

Everytime I Huckabee it was for the children, I hear Bill and Hillary saying the same thing.

We all do make mistakes , but I don’t want a President that is as mistake prone as the Huckster is.

Huckabee has said that his nomination would insure that the Evangelical Christians would control the GOP. He is toast in November if he is nominated…

debbie0040 January 14, 2008 at 5:52 am

Some Christians are gullible enough to believe the rhetoric not the record.

I am a Christian and I do not like the Huckster. Other Christians are the same way. We are not easily led astray , nor are we blinded by campaign rhetoric…

John Konop January 14, 2008 at 6:14 am

Debbie

Why do you disagree with Huckabee’s immigration plan?

Huckabee Immigration Plan

The Secure America Plan

A 9-Point Strategy for Immigration Enforcement and Border Security

Overview: Implement a broad-based strategy that commits the resources of the federal government to the enforcement of our immigration laws and results in the attrition of the illegal immigrant population.

1. Build the Fence

Ensure that an interlocking surveillance camera system is installed along the border by July 1, 2010.

Ensure that the border fence construction is completed by July 1, 2010.

2. Increase Border Patrol

Increase the number of border patrol agents.
Fully support all law enforcement personnel tasked with enforcing immigration law.

3. Prevent Amnesty

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/huckabee-immigration-plan

debbie0040 January 14, 2008 at 7:07 am

http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin411.htm

CHRISTIANS NEED TO BEWARE OF MIKE HUCKABEE

By Pastor Chuck Baldwin

November 2, 2007

NewsWithViews.com

With Christian conservatives trying to scramble to find a Republican presidential candidate they can support, some of them seem to be coalescing around former Arkansas governor, Mike Huckabee. Janet Folger, especially, seems to be trumpeting his candidacy. But is Mike Huckabee someone Christian conservatives should be supporting? Not everyone thinks so.

Randy Minton, chairman of the Arkansas chapter of Phyllis Schlafly’s national Eagle Forum, said, “We called him a pro-life, pro-gun liberal, when I was in the state legislature and he was governor.” Phyllis Schlafly herself was even more direct.

President and Founder of Eagle Forum, Phyllis Schlafly, said this about Governor Huckabee: “He destroyed the conservative movement in Arkansas, and left the Republican Party a shambles.” She went on to say, “Yet some of the same evangelicals who sold us on George W. Bush as a ‘compassionate conservative’ are now trying to sell us on Mike Huckabee.”

Even one of Huckabee’s strongest supporters within the Religious Right, Pastor Rick Scarborough, head of Vision America, admitted, “Mike has always sought the validation of elites.” Of course, my question for Rick Scarborough is, With an indictment such as that, how can you continue to support Mike Huckabee?

According to an opinion piece written by John Fund in the Wall Street Journal, “Paul Pressler, a former Texas judge who led the conservative Southern Baptist revolt, told me, ‘I know of no conservative he [Huckabee] appointed while he headed the Arkansas Baptist Convention.'”

Fund went on to say that “Mr. Huckabee’s reluctance to surround himself with conservatives was evident as governor, when he kept many agency heads appointed by Bill Clinton.”

Fund also said this about Huckabee: “‘He’s just like Bill Clinton in that he practices management by news cycle,’ a former top Huckabee aide told me. ‘As with Clinton there was no long-term planning, just putting out fires on a daily basis. One thing I’ll guarantee is that won’t lead to competent conservative governance.'”

Mike Huckabee is also terrible on immigration. According to Jim Boulet, Jr., executive director of English First, “Rudy Giuliani spent years defending the right of New York City to remain a sanctuary for illegal aliens. Yet Giuliani was a veritable Lou Dobbs Jr. on illegal immigration in comparison to Mike Huckabee.”

Regarding Huckabee’s stance on immigration, Mr. Minton said, “Until of late, he has been an open-borders guy on immigration–amnesty, the whole works. As governor, he wanted to give free college scholarships to all illegals.”

Minton’s assertion is backed up by Daniel Larison at The American Conservative. He said, “Like his fellow presidential candidate [who recently dropped out of the race], Sen. Sam Brownback, Huckabee regards it as his Christian duty to help subvert and liberalize U.S. immigration laws. Together, they embrace the notion that fidelity to the Gospel requires privileging the interests of non-citizens over those of fellow citizens.”

Ann Coulter agrees: “On illegal immigration, Huckabee makes George Bush sound like Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-CO). Huckabee has compared illegal aliens to slaves brought here in chains from Africa, saying, ‘I think, frankly, the Lord is giving us a second chance to do better than we did before.’

“Toward that end, when an Arkansas legislator introduced a bill that would prevent illegal aliens from voting and receiving state benefits, Huckabee denounced the bill, saying it would rile up ‘those who are racist and bigots.’

“He also made the insane point that companies such as Toyota would not invest in Arkansas if the state didn’t allow non-citizens to vote, because it would ‘send the message that, essentially, “If you don’t look like us, talk like us and speak like us, we don’t want you.”‘

“Like all the (other) Democratic candidates for President, he supports a federal law to ban smoking–unless you’re an illegal alien smoking at a Toyota plant.”

A former state lawmaker, Minton also said, that Huckabee was not a “fiscally conservative Republican.” Rather, Huckabee was regarded as just another liberal “tax and spender” in fiscal matters. This is in direct opposition to Huckabee’s boast of “90 tax cuts during his tenure.” And the facts seem to validate Minton, not Huckabee.

An Arkansas Department of Finance and Administration report showed a “net tax increase of $505 million, a figure adjusted for inflation and economic growth” on Huckabee’s watch.

That Huckabee is a liberal “tax and spender” is also affirmed by Tom Roeser. According to Roeser, “[Huckabee] hiked state spending 65.3%, from 1996 to 2004. He supported five tax increases, leading the ‘Club for Growth’ to call him a liberal in disguise . . .”

Roeser also points out that “The Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank with heavy ties to the national GOP, gives him an F grade for spending and taxes in 2006 and an overall grade of D in his governorship. During his tenure, the number of state employees increased over 20% and Arkansas’ general obligation debt rose by almost $1 billion.”

Furthermore, according to the Washington Times, “Until recently, he [Huckabee] had refused to sign the famous no-tax pledge offered to candidates by Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform.”

In spite of Huckabee’s proven big-government, big-spending, and pro-amnesty record, however, some Christian conservatives are falling for his conservative rhetoric. It seems that all a Republican candidate has to do is start talking “pro-life” and “pro-marriage” and he or she will gain the support of certain Christian conservatives.

First it was Bob Jones, III endorsing the liberal former governor of Massachusetts, Mitt Romney, and now it is Janet Folger endorsing the liberal former governor of Arkansas, Mike Huckabee. Why any Christian leader would want to support a man with such a dubious record truly escapes me.

Christians need to beware of Mike Huckabee. He is not a conservative. Even worse, he is not a constitutionalist. He is an opportunist, however. This is demonstrated by the fact that many of his supporters are openly posturing (with Huckabee’s consent, obviously) for an opportunity to run Huckabee as a potential Vice Presidential candidate with either Giuliani or Romney at the top of the ticket

debbie0040 January 14, 2008 at 7:16 am

http://www.betterimmigration.com/candidates/2006/HuckabeePres08.html

Huckabee’s comments on his immigration plan:
“But that pathway to get back here legally doesn’t take years. It would take days, maybe weeks, and then people could come back in the workforce.”

Mike Huckabee Touchback Amnesty illegal aliens back in days!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jKeWIrlzLw#GU5U2spHI_4

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316253,00.html

WALLACE: But last year in an interview, you said something somewhat different. You said this, “I think that the rational approach is to find a way to give people a pathway to citizenship.” Governor, in your new plan, the only path is to go home and to get on the back of the line, which, of course, would mean years of waiting. Why the change?

HUCKABEE: Well, I don’t think there’s an inconsistency. When I said a pathway, I didn’t say what the pathway was.

I now believe that the only thing the American people are going to accept — and, frankly, the only thing that really makes sense — is a pathway that sends people back to the starting point.

But this idea of the waiting years — no, I don’t agree with that. In fact, look, if we can get a credit card application done within hours, if we can get passports done within days, if we can transact business over the Internet any place in the world within seconds, do a background check instantaneously — it’s our government that has failed and is dysfunctional.

It shouldn’t take years to get a work permit to come here and pick lettuce. So part of the plan that I have is that we seal the borders. You don’t have amnesty and sanctuary cities. You do have a pathway that gets you back home.

But that pathway to get back here legally doesn’t take years. It would take days, maybe weeks, and then people could come back in the workforce.

Let me tell you why that’s important. Two reasons. Number one, the American people say, “Do something. Do it now. We don’t want to have this country ignoring the illegal problem.” I get it.

Secondly, I want people who are in this country to hold their heads up high. You know, right now there are a lot of people who really are here because they’re trying to feed their families. I don’t begrudge them that.

I say every day I thank God I’m in a country people are trying to break into, not break out of. But let’s give them a means by which they can get here through the door legally, and when they’re here they don’t have to hide, they don’t have to keep their heads down and hope nobody catches them, they have their heads held high.

Everyone living within the borders of the United States ought to do so with dignity and with a sense of pride, not a sense of fear.

John Konop January 14, 2008 at 8:01 am

Debbie

Rudy amd McCain wnat no touchback just apply here. Fred and Romney have never said they were against touchback.

Do you just hate Huckabee?

John Konop January 14, 2008 at 8:02 am

Sorry want not wnat.

debbie0040 January 14, 2008 at 8:13 am

http://www.fred08.com/virtual/Immigration.aspx

No Amnesty. Do not provide legal status to illegal aliens. Amnesty undermines U.S. law and policy, rewards bad behavior, and is unfair to the millions of immigrants who follow the law and are awaiting legal entry into the United States. In some cases, those law-abiding and aspiring immigrants have been waiting for several years.

Attrition through Enforcement . Reduce the number of illegal aliens through increased enforcement against unauthorized alien workers and their employers. Without illegal employment opportunities available, fewer illegal aliens will attempt to enter the country, and many of those illegally in the country now likely will return home. Self-deportation can also be maximized by stepping up the enforcement levels of other existing immigration laws. This course of action offers a reasonable alternative to the false choices currently proposed to deal with the 12 million or more aliens already in the U.S. illegally: either arrest and deport them all, or give them all amnesty. Attrition through enforcement is a more reasonable and achievable solution, but this approach requires additional resources for enforcement and border security:

http://www.numbersusa.com/index

How Good Are The Promises of GOP Candidates to Prevent Amnesties & Send Current Illegal Aliens Home?

ABYSMAL — John McCain
BAD — Rudy Giuliani
FAIR — Mike Huckabee
GOOD — Ron Paul
EXCELLENT — Mitt Romney
EXCELLENT — Fred Thompson
EXCELLENT — Duncan Hunter

http://www.betterimmigration.com/candidates/2006/prez2008.html

GOPeach January 14, 2008 at 10:32 am

HERE A FEE W PASTORS WHO ENDORSE HUCKABEE:

Flanked by several dozen members of the Iowa clergy, Republican Presidential Candidate Mike Huckabee today announced his campaign’s Iowa Pastors Coalition, the endorsement of Iowa family values leader Chuck Hurley and the support of nationally known religious leader Tim LaHaye and his spouse, Beverly LaHaye, who founded Concerned Women of America.

“I’m honored to have the support and encouragement from this fine group of faith leaders,” Huckabee said. “We share a commitment to preserving life, strengthening families and making this country a better place for all Americans.”

Huckabee, the former governor of Arkansas who now leads the polls in Iowa and has vaulted to second place in national polls, also announced the support of Luana Stoltenberg, a Davenport pro-life activist.

Hurley, the president of the Iowa Family Policy Center, is a former state legislator who has devoted his career to strengthening Iowa’s families by championing traditional values. “I’m humbled and honored to support such a fine man for such a vital office at this vital time,” said Hurley, who noted the endorsement was a personal one and not on behalf of the IFPC.

Stoltenberg has been involved with Crisis Pregnancy Center in the Quad Cities. She also has been a board member and spokesperson for the Life and Family Coalition. A former supporter of Sen. Sam Brownback’s presidential effort, Stoltenberg is active in Operation Outcry: Silent No More.

Huckabee said he welcomed the support as candidates continue to battle for support as the Iowa caucuses are just 30 days away.

The LaHayes are prominent national leaders who have provided a strong moral compass for America. “During the 25 years I have known Mike Huckabee, he has proven himself to be a Christian conservative who stands without apology for the pro-life, pro-marriage platform that is so important in this time of moral collapse,” Tim LaHaye said.

Beverly LaHaye said, “I support Mike Huckabee because he is genuinely pro-life – true to Biblical morality – a man of absolute faith in God and courageous enough to try to do something to bring America back to its foundation.”

For 25 years, Tim LaHaye pastored one of the nation’s outstanding churches in San Diego, Calif., which grew to three locations. It was during this time he also founded two accredited Christian high schools, a school system of 10 Christian schools, San Diego Christian College and assisted Dr. Henry Morris in the founding of the Institute for Creation Research, the nation’s foremost exponent of creationist materials. LaHaye has written more than 50 non-fiction books on a wide range of subjects such as family life, Bible prophecy, the will of God, Jesus Christ, and secular humanism. His books have been translated into 32 languages, with more than 13 million in print.

Beverly LaHaye is chairman of the board and founder of Concerned Women for America. The LaHayes have been married for over 55 years and live in southern California. They have four grown children, nine grandchildren, and seven great grandchildren.

Speaking on behalf of the pastors coalition, Pastor Brad Sherman of the Solid Rock Christian Church, Coralville, said he endorsed Huckabee because he was “first struck by, not only his position on the issues, but his skill at communicating his position in way that made sense.”

Sherman added, “Then I noted that he is governed by principle, not by the direction of the political breeze. He holds the same positions today that he did yesterday. That is a solid indicator where will stand tomorrow. This nation badly needs Mike Huckabee in the White House.”

Members of the Huckabee Pastors Coalition include: Terry Amann, Walnut Creek Community Church, Windsor Heights; B. Mark Anderson, Muscatine; Steve Benton, Faith Bible Church, Cedar Rapids; Bruce Branson, Central Avenue Baptist Church, Hartley; Bruce Brooks, Ninth Street Baptist Church, Spencer; Brett Callaway, Faith Bible Church, Baxter; Kevin Collins, Vinton; Kelvin Cooke, Grace Brethren Church, Waterloo; Dustin Cox, Celebration First Assembly of God, Waterloo; Roger Crawford, Calvary Baptist Church, Union; Van Davis, First Baptist Church, Swea City; Rex Deckard, Calvary Apostolic Church, Des Moines; Brien Deverick, Jordan creek Baptist Church, St. Charles; Larry Doughan, Colfax Center PCA, Grundy Center; Sam Dronebarger, Cedar Rapids; Lloyd Eaken, Anamosa; Ben Eilers, Shiloh Bible Church; Mairi Golnick, Faith and Christ Fellowship, Cherokee; LaVerne Harris, Upper Room Tabernacle, Waterloo; Wayne Herman, Berean Bible Fellowship, Glidden; Todd Hessel, Algona Evangelical Free Church; Kevin Hollinger, First Baptist Church, Algona; Mark Holton, Trinity Bible Church, Waterloo; Larry C. Hoop, Colfax Center PCA, Holland; Kerry Jech, New Hope Christian Church, Marshalltown; Joel Jorgensen, Grandview Baptist Church, Estherville; William King, First Apostolic Church, Indianola; Ken Klingman, Trinity Bible Church, Cedar Falls; John Lynn, Dysart; Ken Matteson, Grace Brethren Church, Waterloo; Robert McMurdock, Church of Promise (Buckingham) Waterloo; Dan Merchant, Cedars Street Baptist Church, Tipton; Marcus Moffit, Calvary Baptist Church, Archer; Daniel J. Moore, Cromwell Congregational UCC, St. John’s UCC, Creston; Claude Perhelth, Wapello Church of the Nazarene, Wapello; Pinky Person, Faith and Christ Fellowship, Cherokee, Royce Phillips, Tabernacle Baptist Church, Tiffin; Dan Reid, Ottumwa Baptist Temple, Ottumwa; Tim Rude, Walnut Creek Community Church, Johnston; Steve Russell, Jordan Grove Church, Cedar Rapids; Andy Schmidt, Calvary Baptist Church, Waterloo; Phillip Schrauben, First Christian Church, New Sharon; Eric Schumacher, Marion; John Shaull, Iowa Baptist Convention, Winterset; Emad R. Shenouda, St. Mary Coptic Orthodox Church, Urbandale; Brad Sherman, Solid Rock Christian Church, Coralville; Mark Smeltzer, Glenwood Community Church, Glenwood; John Tank, Grace West, Des Moines; Terry Vance, First Church of the Nazarene, Burlington; Mark Waits, The Apostolic Pentecostal Church, Centerville; Kenneth Walker, Jesus Loves You/The River Jordan, Atalissa; Paul Warder, Evangelical Covenant Church, Stanton; Earl Warstler, Waterloo; Bob Waters, Des Moines; David Welch, Plano Christian Church, Plano; Darran Whiting, Marion; and Scott Wilson, Clear Lake Christian Church, Mason City.

These endorsements represent the personal views of these individuals and not those of the organizations they represent.

Maurice Atkinson January 14, 2008 at 10:39 am

Huckabee has won his last primary? Not hardly.

GOPeach January 14, 2008 at 10:39 am

Notice theses pastors are not all just Baptist! They are Methodists, AME, Catholics, Assembly of God,Church of God, Word of Faith, Vineyard, etc…

They are not all just white either! They are of all races and various denominations.

I hardly think one little Baptist pastor’s phobia has merit now.

GOPeach January 14, 2008 at 10:44 am

Hummmm

EE-nee ME-nee MY-nee MO!

Which person with a “lying problem” to we pick?

The Common Salt of the Earth 10 year Governor of Arkansas?

OR

The Mormon Salt Lake City 4 year Governor of Massachusetts?

GOPeach January 14, 2008 at 10:46 am

The media can make ANYONE into a LIAR.

I say check out the facts for yourselves and vote for your “favorite liar”. :)

rugby_fan January 14, 2008 at 11:07 am

“Name me ONE person on this blog who have NEVER been misled!!!”

Speaking.

debbie0040 January 14, 2008 at 11:14 am

Huckabee has been deceitful a number of times. He doesn’t needs the media’s help in that regard. He does quite nicely on his own.

Maurice Atkinson January 14, 2008 at 11:40 am

http://www.hermancain.com/news/press-opinion-010708.asp

“…Mike Huckabee’s surge has now evolved into Huckabee’s success, so far, in the presidential race. As his success continues, the greater the attempts will be to derail him by the liberal opposition, the Republican establishment and, naturally, his Republican presidential rivals. “

Doug Deal January 14, 2008 at 12:11 pm

Maurice,

I would hardly call his opposition the “liberal”. I am sick of people looking toward the government for answers, and particularly the federal government, and Huckabee is a little too loving of government involvement.

In a free society the President has no business getting involved in what is “good” for someone’s day to day wellbeing. It is why I cannot stand Mitt “Mandated Health Care” Romney or all of the Democratic candidates, as well as Huckabee.

If anything, Huckabee is the liberal who just happens to hide his liberalism in bible verse.

GOPeach January 14, 2008 at 5:19 pm

Well Doug –

I disagree with you, Darlin.

I think Huckabee is able to defeat any Democrat!

That is his strength! He is a proven Donkey Slayer!

How many Democrats has John MCCain conquered? How many had Mitt Romeny?

See…. Huckabee is a GREAT is a great candidate because he is VERY appealing to the broad base…. namely the ONE group witll go vote!

GOPeach January 14, 2008 at 5:20 pm

Rugby –

HAhahahahahahahahahahahahahahah …
Weren’t you a BIG Whitehead Fan?????

GOPeach January 14, 2008 at 5:26 pm

I played football wit da JAWJAH BUH DAWGS –
Vote FAH MAY – Jeeee-Um Whitehead.
Duuuuuhhhh Foooo Bawl –

These people need to buy stock in Lotrimin!

GOPeach January 14, 2008 at 5:29 pm

Just kidding…. ya’ll don’t go all Vince Dooley on me!

GOPeach January 14, 2008 at 5:31 pm

Will Michigan be Romney’s last stand?

Mr. Huckabee remains, as he was in Iowa, a wild card: an engaging public speaker who reaches across the spectrum. In a state with many Christian evangelicals, Mr. Huckabee can remind voters he is a minister. In a state known as a cradle of rock and soul, Mr. Huckabee, himself a rock bassist, ended a speech by recounting the time he gave a gubernatorial pardon to Rolling Stones guitarist Keith Richards.

The importance Mr. Romney places in a Michigan win became apparent the day after New Hampshire, when the state’s political schedules began filling with Romney events. Mr. McCain, by comparison, flew in for two airport rallies before jetting off to South Carolina, where Republicans vote on Saturday.

“We’re after every group. Catholics are important to us. But just the general voter. We’re going after everybody,” said Chuck Yob, Michigan’s Republican National Committeeman and a prominent McCain supporter.

“I think McCain does well with independents, too,” Mr. Yob said.

Those independents could matter greatly. Under Michigan’s primary rules, independent voters are permitted to cast ballots in either the Democratic or Republican races and, with all major candidates save Mrs. Clinton off the ballot, independents could be drawn to the Republican contest.

Because the Democratic National Committee has essentially voided Michigan’s Democratic Primary, vowing not to seat any delegation chosen in Tuesday’s vote, the Democratic candidates have avoided campaigning here. Of the first-tier candidates, only Hillary Clinton remained on the ballot.

The temptation could arise for Democrats to cross over and choose from the full slate of candidates on the Republican ticket.

If that were to happen, it could redound to Mr. McCain’s favor. In 2000, when Democrats had no primary and Republicans did, state party officials estimated that as much as 20 percent of that vote was Democrats crossing over. That was the year, noted party chairman Saul Anuzis, that Mr. McCain carried the state over Mr. Bush, largely on the strength of that crossover vote.

On a swing through the eastern half of the state yesterday, Mr. McCain declined to speculate on whether that pattern could repeat.

“I don’t have a way of knowing,” Mr. McCain said. “We obviously need the Republican base. We would like to have any other voter who supports me for president. But I don’t know what the turnout’s going to be or who’s going to turn out.”

To carry Michigan, candidates will need to convince primary-goers that they can do something to reverse an economic and population decline that Mr. Romney himself described as a “one-state recession.” Unemployment here is 7.4 percent, the highest in the nation. Along with Rhode Island, Michigan shares the unhappy distinction of being one of two states to suffer a net loss of population in recent years. Once a source of wealth beyond calculation, Michigan’s automobile industry has declined.

“Only two states have actually lost jobs — Michigan and Louisiana after Katrina. We didn’t even have a hurricane,” said Faith Steketee, executive director of the Ottawa County Republican Committee.

Last week’s business news here was dominated by worried speculation that Japan’s Toyota, having displaced Ford as the No. 2 automobile manufacturer, is poised to displace No. 1 General Motors as well.

“My congregation has lost members,” said the Rev. Tim McCoy, pastor at Liberty Baptist Church in the Detroit suburb of Belleville.

In language uncharacteristic of the free-market rhetoric in most Republican circles — but widely heard at GOP gatherings in the state’s east — Mr. McCoy called for government to do something.

“We’ve lost, I think, 30,000 people in the last year. Every time you turn around we’re being taxed to death. We’ve got no more to give. It’s time that they gave back to us,” Mr. McCoy said.

At present, he’s leaning toward Mr. Huckabee.

debbie0040 January 14, 2008 at 6:07 pm

Fred in statistical tie for second in South Carolina. Fred is on the move:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/south_carolina/election_2008_south_carolina_republican_primary

Monday, January 14, 2008
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Over the past several days, the only real movement in South Carolina’s Republican Presidential Primary has been a four-point gain for Fred Thompson and a five-point decline for Mike Huckabee.

The big winner from that trade-off is John McCain.

The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey shows McCain at 28%, Huckabee at 19%, Mitt Romney at 17%, and Fred Thompson at 16%. Rudy Giuliani and Ron Paul are tied with 5% support. Giuliani is betting his entire campaign on a strong showing in Florida, where he is now tied for the lead with three others.

IndyInjun January 14, 2008 at 6:48 pm

Bill Simon:

Hackabee has TWO cons going – his past as a Baptist preacher and the Fair???tax con job.

Debbie:

You miss the Fair????tax con job. Do not underestimate the power of selling the masses on getting “100% of your paycheck” when the reality is that they don’t and, if they do, they sure won’t keep it long in this hyper inflationary typhoon that Bush has us in.

Carry on with the party, don’t let conservative reality spoil things is the Hackabee world view.

Up until now “Party Hardy” mantra wasn’t felt here to pertain to Baptists, but these are eye-opening times.

Bill Simon January 14, 2008 at 6:54 pm

In the past 32 years, how many GOOD Presidents have we had that were Southern governors?

Answer: ZERO

Jimma from 1976-1980
Billy from 1992-2000
Dubya from 2000-2008.

The South’s governors should stop aspiring to be President; their predecessors demonstrate a clear record of ineptitude. Disagree?

Let meknow here:

http://politicalvine.com/politicalrumors/rumors/the-record-of-southern-governors-who-become-president-doesnt-work-for-america/

Romegaguy January 14, 2008 at 7:17 pm

I wonder if the horse track owners that the Hucksters helped legalized slot machines at their race tracks for are donating to his presidential campaign?

rugby_fan January 14, 2008 at 8:09 pm

“Weren’t you a BIG Whitehead Fan?????”

Absolutely not.

Someone once told me I’ve never been misled, so I believed him.

GOPeach January 14, 2008 at 10:21 pm

Romeguy-

I sure as hell hope so! :)

GOPeach January 14, 2008 at 11:52 pm

Huckabee”s what Leadership looks like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr58xZdHo9Q

He”s an adroit public speaker who awakens his listeners to their own empowerment; he summons them to action in order that “Main Street,” and not “Wall Street,” prevails in guarding the founding values and beliefs of the Republic.

debbie0040 January 15, 2008 at 5:39 am

Indy, I no longer support Fair Tax. I started doing research a month or so ago and do not support it.

I do support reforming our tax code with a simplified flat tax.

debbie0040 January 15, 2008 at 7:21 am

http://www.arkansasleader.com/2008/01/editorial-huckabee-can-rejoice.html

Even the right-leaning commentators tended to dismiss Huckabee as a one-state phenomenon because of the unrepresentative evangelical vote in that state, but they underestimate him and the nature of his appeal. It may speak badly of the rest of the field, but he is the glibbest and, at a surface level, the most likeable of the Republicans. No one can be sure what Mike Huckabee really stands for — he has been at some point or another in the past 10 years on different sides of just about every issue — but humor and easy grace will carry a politician a long way once people think they know him. Huckabee had a full year to define himself without much interference.

The peril for Mike Huckabee remains what it has been from the first, his inveterate inclination to fudge the truth or to lie outright, even when the truth would serve him well, and to make up facts and policy on the spot when he has neither. Candidates to be the leader of the free world must not be seen to be so rash. That weakness has been on display since the opening salvos of his campaign, when he fabricated much of his fiscal record in Arkansas, and then when he issued numerous statements that misled people on what he had done to free the rapist and murderer Wayne DuMond.

debbie0040 January 15, 2008 at 8:17 am

http://www.arkansasleader.com/2007/12/editorialspure-fiction-from-rollins.html

Saturday, December 29, 2007
Pure fiction from Rollins

When he famously directed Ronald Reagan’s re-election campaign in 1984, Ed Rollins showed a knack for creating agreeable fancy about the president’s leadership.

With the communist-bloc countries boycotting the summer Olympic Games in Los Angeles, the United States swept them in a glorious way and Rollins fashioned the campaign around that triumph, boasting that it was Morning in America.

As the new chairman of the Mike Huckabee for president campaign, Rollins has a bigger job minting the former Arkansas governor as a conservative leader in the Reagan mold. It looks like his tactic will be fiction.

Appearing before a national audience for the first time on CBS News over the weekend, Rollins had this to say about Huckabee as a fiscal conservative:

“You know, one of the things he had to do was fix the educational system. The state Supreme Court ordered him to raise $300 million to add an additional $300 million to education. The voters in the state had voted for a highway program that was totally unfunded. He went forth and made it an issue.

And then the voters themselves voted for a three-cent increase in taxes. He cut income taxes. At the end of the day the story that’s not told is this is a guy who inherited a $250 million deficit. And, at the end of the day, he left $850 million in the treasury.”

It was pure fiction. None of it ever happened, although there was a tiny grain of truth in a couple of phrases. Let’s take them in order:

“The state Supreme Court ordered him to raise $300 million. . . .”

The Supreme Court never ordered the governor or the state to raise a dime of taxes. It said the quality of education across the state was uneven and by and large inadequate. It left it to the legislature how to equalize and strengthen the schools.

The legislators and Gov. Huckabee decided to do it by raising taxes rather than redirecting existing resources. Huckabee also wanted to achieve equality by consolidating most of the state’s school districts, which the Supreme Court did not order and the legislature ultimately did not accept.

“The voters in the state had voted for a highway program that was totally unfunded.” What Rollins was talking about we have no idea. The voters approved an interstate highway program in 1999 but it was 100 percent funded. It was a bond issue supported by Huckabee. The bond issue was paid off from existing state taxes and federal receipts.

“He went forth and made it an issue. And then the voters themselves voted for a three-cent increase in taxes.” Didn’t happen. The voters never voted for a tax increase of any size to pay for highways. That three-cent gasoline tax, which Huckabee proposed, was passed into law by the legislature and was collected before people voted on the highway bond issue. Again: Although Huckabee has said so repeatedly, voters never had a chance to vote on taxes.

“He cut income taxes.” Okay, a grain of truth here. Gov. Jim Guy Tucker proposed an omnibus income tax cut — actually, seven separate tax cuts rolled into one bill — but he resigned from office in 1996 before the legislature assembled.

Democratic legislators — 83 of them and not one Republican— picked up Tucker’s proposal and sponsored it in the session that assembled soon after Huckabee became governor.

His own tax plan (a $25-a-person rebate) having foundered, Huckabee capitulated and signed the Democratic tax cut. The lawmakers were amazed when, during his re-election campaign the next year, Huckabee took credit for forcing the tax cut through the legislature. That has been his account of it ever since.

“At the end of the day the story that’s not told is this is a guy who inherited a $250 million deficit. And, at the end of the day, he left $850 million in the treasury.” Not true. Huckabee did not inherit a $250 million deficit but a SURPLUS of close to that sum.

Conservative budgeting by the legislature and Gov. Tucker in 1995 produced a surplus that was $107.4 million the day that Huckabee took over from Tucker in July 1996.

The Tucker budget produced another surplus of $118 million in the new fiscal year that was beginning and which Huckabee had absolutely nothing to do with. So Huckabee and the new legislature had a surplus of about $225 million to spend when it assembled in January 1997. It was that surplus that gave them the leeway to cut income taxes.

As for the $850 million surplus that Huckabee left, there is some substance to it. The surplus, built by tight budgeting under the direction of House Speaker Bill Stovall, was actually about $470 million when Huckabee left office in January but a batch of tax increases that he had helped pass between 2001 and 2005 sent the surplus soaring to $850 million by the end of this June, six months after he left office.

All those tax increases help account for the increase in size of the state government from $7.1 billion a year when Huckabee took office to about $17.1 billion when he left 10 ½ years later.

No court ordered him to do it and Arkansas voters had almost nothing to do with it. That is a Reagan-sized accomplishment all right — remember that Reagan tripled the national debt in eight years — but fiscal conservatism is a description that only Ed Rollins could apply.
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GOPeach January 15, 2008 at 7:48 pm

It looks like HUCKABEE has left for South CAROLINA and THAT is where the SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN!!! Woooo Hoooo!

He basically planted as much seeds as he could in the Michigan snow and headed to WARMER people in the South!

South Carolina will pull HUCKABEE into the NOMINATION!

GOPeach January 15, 2008 at 7:51 pm

Sooo back to the THREAD TITLE –

IOWA was the 1st PRIMARY VICTORY – SOUTH CAROLINA will be the NEXT WIN!!!! KNOW IT!

The Huckabee People are VERY motivated now!!!

GOPeach January 15, 2008 at 8:00 pm

HUCKABEE on FISCAL ISSUES

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gBO_upLO5c

Romegaguy January 15, 2008 at 8:04 pm

I thought you said he was going to carry New Hampshire…

GOPeach January 15, 2008 at 8:20 pm

He carried the ” bronze medal” in NH along with the “GOLD medal” around his neck.

It’s down to the wire and he has to take SOUTH CAROLINA… and he will! I KNOW IT!

http://www.HUCKSARMY.com

GOPeach January 15, 2008 at 8:29 pm

South Carolina GOVERNOR endorsed HUCKABEE!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=k4ACaG-VB48

GOPeach January 15, 2008 at 8:32 pm

FAIR TAX

The Flat Tax is a terrible idea that will actually increase American’s tax burden.

The IRS has capitulated to the facts established at lost horizons dot com that paying individual income tax is voluntary.

Know The Law. Know Your Rights. Don’t be fooled by Flat Tax Mumbo Jumbo.

GOPeach January 15, 2008 at 8:34 pm

“No capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.”

United States Constitution, Article 1, Section

joe January 15, 2008 at 9:00 pm

GOPeach,

Read the 16th Amendment.

Icarus January 15, 2008 at 9:07 pm

Everyone should buy their WalMart stock before this thread reaches 500 comments.

GOPeach January 15, 2008 at 10:23 pm

JOE-

“We are of opinion, however, that the confusion is not inherent, but rather arises from the conclusion that the 16th Amendment provides for a hitherto unknown power of taxation; that is, a power to levy an income tax which, although direct, should not be subject to the regulation of apportionment applicable to all other direct taxes. And the far-reaching effect of this erroneous assumption will be made clear by generalizing the many contentions advanced in argument to support it…”

“[Taxation of “income” is] in its nature an excise entitled to be enforced as such unless and until it was concluded that to enforce it would amount to accomplishing the result which the requirement as to apportionment of direct taxation was adopted to prevent, in which case the duty would arise to disregard form and consider substance alone, and hence subject the tax to the regulation as to apportionment which otherwise as an excise would not apply to it” (That is, if the “income” tax ever comes to be administered as something other than an excise, or on something unsuited to an excise, the rule of apportionment must be applied.)

United States Supreme Court, Brushaber v. Union Pacific R. Co., 240 U.S. 1 (1916)

“The provisions of the Sixteenth Amendment conferred no new power of taxation . . .”

United States Supreme Court, Stanton v. Baltic Mining Co., 240 U.S. 103 (1916)

“The Sixteenth Amendment, although referred to in argument, has no real bearing and may be put out of view. As pointed out in recent decisions, it does not extend the taxing power to new or excepted subjects…”

United States Supreme Court, Peck v. Lowe, 247 U.S. 165 (1918)

“The Supreme Court, in a decision written by Chief Justice White, first noted that the Sixteenth Amendment did not authorize any new type of tax, nor did it repeal or revoke the tax clauses of Article I of the Constitution, quoted above. Direct taxes were, notwithstanding the advent of the Sixteenth Amendment, still subject to the rule of apportionment and indirect taxes were still subject to the rule of uniformity.”

Howard M. Zaritsky, Legislative Attorney, American Law Division of the Library of Congress, Report No. 80-19A, entitled “Some Constitutional Questions Regarding The Federal Income Tax Laws”, page CRS-5 (1979)

“The legislative history merely shows… …that the sole purpose of the Sixteenth Amendment was to remove the apportionment requirement for whichever incomes were otherwise taxable. 45 Cong. Rec. 2245-2246 (1910); id., at 2539; see also Brushaber v. Union Pacific R. Co., 240 U.S. 1, 17 -18 (1916).”

United States Supreme Court, South Carolina v. Baker, 405 U.S. 505 (1988)

So, the 16th Amendment has nothin’ to do with nothin’ about any of the foregoing…

“We must reject… …the broad contention submitted in behalf of the government that all receipts– everything that comes in– are income…”

United States Supreme Court, So. Pacific v. Lowe, 247 U.S. 330, (1918)

Just so. What is called “income” in the internal revenue laws (that is, what is taxed under those laws) is NOT “money” or “receipts” or “earnings”, etc.. It is the exercise of federal privilege, which is measured, for purposes of determining the tax, by the receipts brought in by that exercise. Thus, it is only receipts resulting from the exercise of federal privilege that are relevant to those laws and the related taxes.

GOPeach January 15, 2008 at 10:25 pm

Did you get THAT????

debbie0040 January 16, 2008 at 5:26 am

http://www.arkansasleader.com/2008/01/editorial-huckabee-can-rejoice.html

Huckabee has not been honest about his fiscal record, the Dumond commutation and other commutations, his college degrees, his immigration plan, etc.

It is foolish to believe anything he says he will do if President.

debbie0040 January 16, 2008 at 5:28 am

Peach, you also said Romney would not win Michigan .

debbie0040 January 16, 2008 at 8:56 am

Gov. Huckabee Vetos Ethics Bill but refuses to veto gambling bill.

http://www.arktimes.com/Articles/ArticleViewer.aspx?ArticleID=3e2c09d6-253d-4ae7-bfa5-535548b0c763

An Aug. 25 Arkansas Times article concerning possible conflicts of interest by college and university trustees failed to mention that earlier this year the legislature approved a bill to regulate business dealings between trustees and their institutions, and Gov. Mike Huckabee vetoed it.

The bill (HB 2501), introduced by Rep. Jodie Mahony, would have prohibited contracts between members of state boards and commissions and the agencies they serve unless the contract was approved by the state Ethics Commission. The bill also would have applied to state employees. A similar law already applies to board members and employees of the public schools.

http://www.arktimes.com/Articles/ArticleViewer.aspx?ArticleID=35db4438-89b1-4940-be3f-5dc64b1dc76a

Lack of leadership

There’s an old saying that a politician must sometimes rise above his principles. Governor Huckabee has soared well above his in regard to the casino gambling bill approved by the legislature.

The governor was praised for his flexibility by Sen. Robert Johnson, the sponsor of SB 999. If one didn’t know that Senator Johnson is a dangerously serious fellow, one might have thought he was joking when he said of Huckabee “I, for one, am very much appreciative of what he did … to allow this to become law in the face of his own personal convictions.” Personal convictions, sometimes known as “family values,” are OK to have as long as they don’t get in the way of big money.

Huckabee, a Baptist preacher by training, is declining to veto a casino gambling bill for Hot Springs. There was a time, years ago, when nothing united fractious Baptists — and other church groups, for that matter — like their opposition to gambling at Hot Springs. They defeated the gamblers in statewide referenda. They forced the legislature to recall from the governor’s office a bill that the lawmakers had already passed to legalize casinos.

debbie0040 January 16, 2008 at 8:58 am

http://www.arkansasleader.com/2007/12/editorialspure-fiction-from-rollins.html

Saturday, December 29, 2007 Pure fiction from Rollins

When he famously directed Ronald Reagan’s re-election campaign in 1984, Ed Rollins showed a knack for creating agreeable fancy about the president’s leadership.

With the communist-bloc countries boycotting the summer Olympic Games in Los Angeles, the United States swept them in a glorious way and Rollins fashioned the campaign around that triumph, boasting that it was Morning in America.

As the new chairman of the Mike Huckabee for president campaign, Rollins has a bigger job minting the former Arkansas governor as a conservative leader in the Reagan mold. It looks like his tactic will be fiction.

Appearing before a national audience for the first time on CBS News over the weekend, Rollins had this to say about Huckabee as a fiscal conservative:

“You know, one of the things he had to do was fix the educational system. The state Supreme Court ordered him to raise $300 million to add an additional $300 million to education. The voters in the state had voted for a highway program that was totally unfunded. He went forth and made it an issue.

And then the voters themselves voted for a three-cent increase in taxes. He cut income taxes. At the end of the day the story that’s not told is this is a guy who inherited a $250 million deficit. And, at the end of the day, he left $850 million in the treasury.”

It was pure fiction. None of it ever happened, although there was a tiny grain of truth in a couple of phrases. Let’s take them in order:

“The state Supreme Court ordered him to raise $300 million… .”

The Supreme Court never ordered the governor or the state to raise a dime of taxes. It said the quality of education across the state was uneven and by and large inadequate. It left it to the legislature how to equalize and strengthen the schools.

The legislators and Gov. Huckabee decided to do it by raising taxes rather than redirecting existing resources. Huckabee also wanted to achieve equality by consolidating most of the state’s school districts, which the Supreme Court did not order and the legislature ultimately did not accept.

“The voters in the state had voted for a highway program that was totally unfunded.” What Rollins was talking about we have no idea. The voters approved an interstate highway program in 1999 but it was 100 percent funded. It was a bond issue supported by Huckabee. The bond issue was paid off from existing state taxes and federal receipts.

“He went forth and made it an issue. And then the voters themselves voted for a three-cent increase in taxes.” Didn’t happen. The voters never voted for a tax increase of any size to pay for highways. That three-cent gasoline tax, which Huckabee proposed, was passed into law by the legislature and was collected before people voted on the highway bond issue. Again: Although Huckabee has said so repeatedly, voters never had a chance to vote on taxes.

“He cut income taxes.” Okay, a grain of truth here. Gov. Jim Guy Tucker proposed an omnibus income tax cut — actually, seven separate tax cuts rolled into one bill — but he resigned from office in 1996 before the legislature assembled.

Democratic legislators — 83 of them and not one Republican— picked up Tucker’s proposal and sponsored it in the session that assembled soon after Huckabee became governor.

His own tax plan (a $25-a-person rebate) having foundered, Huckabee capitulated and signed the Democratic tax cut. The lawmakers were amazed when, during his re-election campaign the next year, Huckabee took credit for forcing the tax cut through the legislature. That has been his account of it ever since.

“At the end of the day the story that’s not told is this is a guy who inherited a $250 million deficit. And, at the end of the day, he left $850 million in the treasury.” Not true. Huckabee did not inherit a $250 million deficit but a SURPLUS of close to that sum.

Conservative budgeting by the legislature and Gov. Tucker in 1995 produced a surplus that was $107.4 million the day that Huckabee took over from Tucker in July 1996.

The Tucker budget produced another surplus of $118 million in the new fiscal year that was beginning and which Huckabee had absolutely nothing to do with. So Huckabee and the new legislature had a surplus of about $225 million to spend when it assembled in January 1997. It was that surplus that gave them the leeway to cut income taxes.

As for the $850 million surplus that Huckabee left, there is some substance to it. The surplus, built by tight budgeting under the direction of House Speaker Bill Stovall, was actually about $470 million when Huckabee left office in January but a batch of tax increases that he had helped pass between 2001 and 2005 sent the surplus soaring to $850 million by the end of this June, six months after he left office.

All those tax increases help account for the increase in size of the state government from $7.1 billion a year when Huckabee took office to about $17.1 billion when he left 10 ½ years later.

No court ordered him to do it and Arkansas voters had almost nothing to do with it. That is a Reagan-sized accomplishment all right — remember that Reagan tripled the national debt in eight years — but fiscal conservatism is a description that only Ed Rollins could apply. posted by THE LEADER at 7:26 AM

debbie0040 January 16, 2008 at 9:15 am

From Redstate:

Push Poll for Huckabee:

Alan M. Teitleman

Phone: 843-634-3513 Fax: 704-625-0945 119 N. McGregor Ave Ruby, SC 29741 [email protected]

January 15, 2008

Open Letter to South Carolina Attorney General Henry McMaster:

Earlier this evening, at approximately 8:50 PM on Tuesday, January 15, 2008, I received a telephone call from telephone number 703-961-1077 with the Caller ID of “Hinton, L”. Answering the phone, I was asked if I would participate in a 45 second poll on the presidential primary. After being asked if I supported President Bush and was planning to vote in the South Carolina Primary, I was asked whom I planned to support. I responded Fred Thompson. I was immediately thrown into a series of questions asking my position on illegal immigration, abortion, and others. Each question went as follows: “Are you pro-life” My answer “Yes”. Their response: “Did you know that Senator Fred Thompson [contradicting pro-life stance], and that Governor Mike Huckabee has [supporting pro-life stance]. After answering two of the questions, I took out my tape recorder and recorded the rest of the conversation. Being acutely aware of push polling tactics and negative campaigning, I answered some of the questions based on the responses that would illicit a negative response from the caller. I have attached a copy of the voice recording of the second half of the auto call (unfortunately the really good nasty stuff was during the first half of the call), as well as photos of the caller ID displaying the callers name, telephone number, and time of call.

It is my request that you pursue these individuals to the fullest extent of the law. You may reach me at the contact information listed above.

Sincerely,
Alan M. Teitleman

Bill Simon January 16, 2008 at 9:34 am

Sounds like Ralph Reed is at it again in SC….

debbie0040 January 16, 2008 at 9:44 am

On his radio show this morning 920 am, Hugh Hewitt predicted a Thompson upset win in South Carolina.

jsm January 16, 2008 at 9:51 am

Mike Huckabee – “…that’s what we need to do is to amend the Constitution so it’s in God’s standards rather than try to change God’s standards…”

http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id=8b121636-c88e-474f-943c-18b2db3f8807

What?

Is this really the guy we want representing the GOP? I believe in Christian moral principles, but it is not government’s place to promote them. Just keep America free, and let churches do their job! Government CANNOT do it for them.

If Huckleberry is speaking of the gay so-called marriage issue in this clip, there are many reasons for government to protect marriage as originally defined without ever invoking God’s standard. A good candidate, who understands and believes in the Constitution, would approach this much differently.

This guy is dangerous.

debbie0040 January 16, 2008 at 9:58 am

Someone that believes in the U.S. Constitution would say that matters such as abortion and marriage should be left to the states to decide …

JSM, he is MUCH more dangerous than you think…
Want to know about the real Huckabee? Go to these sites and do a search for Huckabee.

http://www.arktimes.com/

http://www.arkansasleader.com

rugby_fan January 16, 2008 at 10:17 am

GOPeach claims Huckabee and Paul are ideologically similar.

Wonder how she will feel if she reads/chooses not to ignore this.

debbie0040 January 16, 2008 at 10:43 am

Which GOPEACH? Hasn’t anyone noticed at times it seems like there are two different people posting under Peach?

She will claim that Huckabee’s words were taken out of context…. Or that she agrees with him.

Some Huckabee supporters can’t see beyond the Huckster getting the GOP nomination. They can’t see the things the Democrats will throw at him if he is the nominee. They can’t see the Dems running ads with Huckabee saying the Evangelical Christians will run the Republican party if he is the nominee. They can’t see that the Dems will run that clip above over and over again. They can’t see that will hurt the entire GOP ticket… The Dems will have the ammunition to paint the GOP as an extremist party if Huckabee is the nominee..

Jace Walden January 16, 2008 at 11:12 am

For all intents and purposes, the GOP is an extremist party…so at the very least, those Dem ads would be accurate.

jsm January 16, 2008 at 11:47 am

Jace, thinking logically, you must believe then that the democrats are an even more extremist party.

Doug Deal January 16, 2008 at 12:23 pm

Huckabee cannot win the nomination. The southeast will not give it to him and NH and Michigan has shown he has no appeal outside baptist churches in farm country and the southeast.

Finishing in the teens in the states that actually have large delegate counts, and winner take all states like California (which also has the most delegates) make his winning impossible.

Your choices are, and will remain Romney, McCain and Rudy (until at least Florida).

debbie0040 January 16, 2008 at 2:42 pm

Fred could put a kink in that by winning South Carolina

Jace Walden January 16, 2008 at 2:48 pm

JSM,

The Democratic Party is as extremist as the Republican Party. They’re both equally extremist organizations.

Doug,

You can go ahead and cross Rudy off that list. His campaign strategy of “Don’t do a damn thing until a month into primary season” is a loser. His campaign is dead. Many of his staffers are having to work for free.

As much of a fan of 9/11 as Rudy is, it wasn’t enough to save his campaign.

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 2:52 pm

Rugby –

I never said Huckabee & Paul are “IDENTICALLY SIMILAR” you Goober!

I said they are both:

100% PRO -LIFE – NO ACCEPTIONS ( unlike Fred)

They are both for FAIR Trade ( not FREE Trade) HUGE difference!

They are both for STATE CONTROL on issues like “Civil Unions” etc…..

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 2:56 pm

HUCKABEE IS IN IT!!!!!!!

The Conservative Base lost in 2006 – BUT NOT AGAIN! Noooo Sir Reee !!!

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 2:58 pm

Debbie –

Are you on acid?

Jace Walden January 16, 2008 at 3:00 pm

Huckabee just said he wants to change the wording of the constitution so that it mirrors the exact wording of the Bible.

Huckabee is a stupid, mouth-breathing hick.

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 3:00 pm

Okay I am going to say this ONE TIME so listen closely!

WE NO NOT NEED ANOTHER TRIAL LAWYER IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!!

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 3:01 pm

EXECUTIVES GOVERNORS belong in the WHITE HOUSE!

Doug Deal January 16, 2008 at 3:02 pm

Jace,

I think he made a mistake too, and had a horrible start, but if he manages to do well in Florida, all will be forgotten.

If he does well enough in Florida, he will do well in NY, California and NJ during super Tuesday (326 delegates) as well as a number of smaller states.

If he doesn’t at least have a virtual tie for first in Florida, it will probably be over.

With no candidate getting “momentum” with a string of victories, no percieved front-runner is out of it yet, and it is delegates not public perception that wins the nomination.

Jace Walden January 16, 2008 at 3:05 pm

He won’t win Florida.

Giuliani is officially a fringe candidate. Ron Paul has twice as many delegates as Giuliani already. It’s only going to get worse.

debbie0040 January 16, 2008 at 3:10 pm

Peach, you said,They are both for STATE CONTROL on issues like “Civil Unions” etc…

Huckabee wants to amend the Constitution so it’s God’s standards… Sounds like federal control of marriage, abortion, etc…

Paul wants the Constitution be followed not amended to match one’s religious beliefs…

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 3:10 pm

I am not opposed to Ron Paul as you know.

But Rudy – HELL NO!

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 3:11 pm

HE DID NOT say THAT !! He meant ABORTION!!

Jace Walden January 16, 2008 at 3:12 pm

Huckabee=Talibaptist

Jace Walden January 16, 2008 at 3:13 pm

Huckabee thinks the bible is the constitution.

GOPeach,

Huckabee said that we should amend the constitution so it mirrors the bible.

He’s the Christian version of the Taliban.

Jesus is so proud of him.

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 3:13 pm

I AGREE 100% that TAX PAYERS Should NOT fund the MURDER of UNBORN AMERICANS!!!!! Ron Paul AGREES!!!

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 3:14 pm

Jace-

You are silly to say that! C’mon!

Jace Walden January 16, 2008 at 3:15 pm

Huckabee agrees 100% that we should use the government to force people to convert to Christianity…just like the Crusades or the Inquisition.

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 3:16 pm

HE DOES NOT!!!! You are wacked!

debbie0040 January 16, 2008 at 3:16 pm

Huckabee said, that’s what we need to do is to amend the Constitution so it’s in God’s standards rather than try to change God’s standards…”

Peach, you need to listen to it. Those are his words…

Huckabee is in South Carolina complaining about a conspiracy against him because Club For Growth and other conservative groups are in South Carolina holding press conferences about the Huckster’s record.

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 3:16 pm

Puhleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze!!!

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 3:18 pm

HE DID NOT SAY TAKE POWER AWAY FROM THE STATES …. DID YOU HEAR HIM SAY
DENY THE STATES THEIR RIGHT??????

Jace Walden January 16, 2008 at 3:18 pm

Huckabee=Talibaptist

Next thing we’ll know, he’ll be advocating that we stone to death gays and adulterers.

I feel sorry for Decaturguy if Huckabee is elected. I hope they don’t make us stone him

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 3:19 pm

That was a SOUND BITE – ATTACK!!!

TYPICAL… HE IS WINNING SOUTH CAROLINA and folks are TRIPPIN!!! GOOD!! TRIP On!!!

Jace Walden January 16, 2008 at 3:20 pm

Huckabee also wants to put Aids patients in concentration camps.

Jesus is proud of Huckabee.

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 3:20 pm

HUCKABEE LOVES GAYS!

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 3:21 pm

HUCKABEE has GAYS working in his campaign. I know them!!!

Jace Walden January 16, 2008 at 3:22 pm

Give him credit though…he was good about insuring that his citizenry gave to Caesar that which is Caesar.

In fact, he made them give 47% more of Caesar’s money back to Caesar.

Jesus is proud of Huckabee.

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 3:22 pm

You all are W R O N G about Him!

Jace Walden January 16, 2008 at 3:22 pm

Too bad he’ll probably have them stoned to death if elected.

Bill Simon January 16, 2008 at 3:22 pm

Dang, Jace…got a little inspired today to go after the Huckster, huh?

Jace Walden January 16, 2008 at 3:23 pm

Actually Bill, I’m just having fun messing with GOPeach.

But I do think Huckabee is a stupid, mouth-breathing hick.

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 3:24 pm

Typical CUT & PASTE SOUND BITES….

Yawn! What’s new.

Jace Walden January 16, 2008 at 3:24 pm

GOPeach,

I just said that Jesus is proud of Huckabee…and now you tell me I’m wrong.

Ok. I’ll accept that.

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 3:24 pm

JACE –

Kiss my GRITS!

Doug Deal January 16, 2008 at 3:25 pm

Jace,

Counting the delegates now, is like declaring the winner of the Presidential election by whoever is leading when the polls close in KY and IN at 6PM.

Right now Huckabee has 4 delegates (1 from New Hampshire, 3 from Michigan), since Iowa selects delegates at the state convention, which hasn’t been held yet.

McCain has 15 (7 from NH and 8 from MI).

Romney has 23 (4 from NH and 19 from MI).

So, Romney is OBVIOUSLY the runaway winner as he has a majority of actually assigned delegates.

Jace Walden January 16, 2008 at 3:25 pm

GOPeach,

You know I love you. I’m just playing around. But seriously, I can’t stand Tax Hike Mike.

Jace Walden January 16, 2008 at 3:26 pm

Doug,

Romney isn’t losing to Ron Paul 2:1 in the Delegate Count.

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 3:26 pm

BUT THAT WILL CHANGE!

Jace Walden January 16, 2008 at 3:27 pm

Indeed.

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 3:28 pm

Okay Jace. I love you too.

debbie0040 January 16, 2008 at 3:34 pm

Jace, that was pretty funny I have not stopped laughing …

Jace Walden January 16, 2008 at 3:36 pm

Which part, the crack about Giuliani’s delegate count, or about Huckabee?

debbie0040 January 16, 2008 at 3:37 pm

Both .

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 3:53 pm

Honestly – This ” Tax Hike Mike ” shit is getting old!

The people in Arkansas VOTED it in to get NEW ROADS because they were TIRED of their flippin CARS breaking down!!!!

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 3:57 pm

Honestly – this “Tax Hike Mike” sh*t is getting OLD!

The people in ARKANSAS VOTED FOR a TAX INCREASE to GET NEW ROADS!!!! The were tired of their CARS tearing up … OKAY???!!!

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 3:58 pm

* they

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 4:01 pm

JESUS does not like to drive on BAD ROADS and MIKE KNEW that… do did the VOTERS in ARKANSAS!!!

http://www.trincoll.edu/depts/csrpl/images/Jesus.jpg

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 4:02 pm

* so did the voters …

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 4:03 pm

GOPEACH – Blogging for Blessings! :)

Jace Walden January 16, 2008 at 4:03 pm

GOPeach,

The people NEVER voted on a Tax Increase. The legislature passed a tax increase, but the people NEVER voted on a tax increase for the roads. This is an outright lie by Huckabee, and has been debunked over and over.

Jesus is proud of his lying minister.

Jason Pye January 16, 2008 at 4:05 pm

GOPeach,

That is a blatant lie. The legislature voted on the tax increase and Huckabee signed it before the voters voted on a non-binding ballot question.

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 4:06 pm

CBS NEWS!

Mike Huckabee was quick to put his distant third place in Michigan behind him and look forward to Saturday’s race in South Carolina.

He told his supporters: “It looks like I won Iowa, John McCain won New Hampshire, Mitt Romney won Michigan. Ladies and Gentlemen, we are going to win South Carolina.”

Huckabee got off to a good start in the Mid-West state of Iowa before Michigan and New Hampshire, two northern states, slowed his progress.

Huckabee has every reason to feel confident about heading south. After all, a southern Baptist preacher has every chance of doing well in a southern, Christian, conservative state.

As many as half of those expected to vote in South Carolina are so-called “values voters”.

Huckabee’s calls for constitutional amendments to ban abortion.

Jace Walden January 16, 2008 at 4:08 pm

Huckabee calls for a constitutional amendment to turn the Constitution into the Bible.

Icarus January 16, 2008 at 4:15 pm

“JESUS does not like to drive on BAD ROADS”

I think that comment alone is responsible for WalMart stock being up about $.50 today. Peach has to be about ready to return to Sams Club and stock up on “Crazy” soon.

debbie0040 January 16, 2008 at 4:16 pm

Huckabee has lied about his fiscal record in Arkansas:

http://www.arkansasleader.com/2007/12/editorialspure-fiction-from-rollins.html

“The state Supreme Court ordered him to raise $300 million… .”

The Supreme Court never ordered the governor or the state to raise a dime of taxes. It said the quality of education across the state was uneven and by and large inadequate. It left it to the legislature how to equalize and strengthen the schools.

The legislators and Gov. Huckabee decided to do it by raising taxes rather than redirecting existing resources. Huckabee also wanted to achieve equality by consolidating most of the state’s school districts, which the Supreme Court did not order and the legislature ultimately did not accept.

“The voters in the state had voted for a highway program that was totally unfunded.” What Rollins was talking about we have no idea. The voters approved an interstate highway program in 1999 but it was 100 percent funded. It was a bond issue supported by Huckabee. The bond issue was paid off from existing state taxes and federal receipts.

“He went forth and made it an issue. And then the voters themselves voted for a three-cent increase in taxes.” Didn’t happen. The voters never voted for a tax increase of any size to pay for highways. That three-cent gasoline tax, which Huckabee proposed, was passed into law by the legislature and was collected before people voted on the highway bond issue. Again: Although Huckabee has said so repeatedly, voters never had a chance to vote on taxes.

ConservativeCaucus January 16, 2008 at 4:16 pm

wow Jace. That was a lot of venom/humor you unleashed on Huckabee.

I know it is fun to distort comments that he made and take it to insinuate that he is on the same level as a terrorist, but that is recklessly irresponsible.

I understand that you disagree with him on the issues, but the vindictive personal attacks are unfortunate. Anyone who knows him realizes that he is an extremely intelligent man who is a powerful communicator.

He made a comment which, on its face, I disagree with. I would like to hear him clarify his remarks. Anyone who has followed his candidacy realizes that he is talking about abortion and traditional marriage, not turning our country into sharia-like law. Your comment about conversion is absurd and weakens the potentially valid point you are trying to make.

Jace Walden January 16, 2008 at 4:18 pm

Peach,

What kind of car does Jesus drive?

I’d have to say a Chevrolet…because he walks everywhere he goes.

LOL. ROFLMAO. I’m here all week folks.

debbie0040 January 16, 2008 at 4:22 pm

Most of what Jace posted was in jest.

Huckabee did make that statement and the Democrats will replay it over and over again. They will also use Huckabee’s statement that if he is the GOP nominee , the evangelical christians would control the GOP. Some things are better off thought and not said..

The bottom line is , you just really don’t how far the Huckster is willing to go to legislate his will on people. He had talked about banning smoking nationwide but has since backed away from that comment.

It is amazing how much running for President causes these conversions….

Huckabee supporters are hypocrites for criticizing Romney for his changes…

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 4:24 pm

Jace , Baby – You need to do your homework.

The State of Arkansas House & Senate voted to put the BONDS on the BALLOT for the VOTER’S APPROVAL to pay for Highway Construction.
THE VOTERS APPROVED!!!!!

June 1999 – Act 1028 & Act 1027
Legislature Put the Bond on the Ballot.

Call Stephen – Arkansas House of Representatives – 501-682-7771 to verify this.

Jace Walden January 16, 2008 at 4:25 pm

ConservativeCaucus,

Huckabee is a stupid, mouth-breathing hick. He’s also a talibaptist who deliberately lies about his fiscal record.

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 4:25 pm

The PEOPLE voted for the BONDS — FUEL TAX INCREASE!

Jace Walden January 16, 2008 at 4:27 pm

Besides CC,

You “conservatives” are good at distorting things to make people seem like terrorists…just ask Max Cleland.

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 4:27 pm

BONDS have to be PAID by TAXES!!!

HELLO!!!!!

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 4:35 pm

Bad joke Jace!

Here is the REAL Answers:

JESUS drives a HONDA because He and the APOSTLES are in ONE ACCORD! :)

debbie0040 January 16, 2008 at 4:37 pm

“The voters in the state had voted for a highway program that was totally unfunded.” What Rollins was talking about we have no idea. The voters approved an interstate highway program in 1999 but it was 100 percent funded. It was a bond issue supported by Huckabee. The bond issue was paid off from existing state taxes and federal receipts.

“He went forth and made it an issue. And then the voters themselves voted for a three-cent increase in taxes.” Didn’t happen. The voters never voted for a tax increase of any size to pay for highways. That three-cent gasoline tax, which Huckabee proposed, was passed into law by the legislature and was collected before people voted on the highway bond issue. Again: Although Huckabee has said so repeatedly, voters never had a chance to vote on taxes.

debbie0040 January 16, 2008 at 4:40 pm

It is clear that Huckabee is a master of doing just like Bill Clinton. They take an untruth and add a small grain of truth to it and twist to suit their political purposes.

I thought preachers were not supposed to lie or be sleezy like Clinton.

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 4:41 pm

Jesus – old Plymouth because “the Bible says God drove Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden in a Fury.”

But in Psalm 83, the Almighty clearly owns a Pontiac and a Geo. The passage urges the
Lord to “pursue your enemies with your Tempest and terrify them with your Storm.”

Perhaps God favors Dodge pickup trucks, because Moses’ followers are warned not to go up a mountain “until the Ram’s horn sounds a long blast.”

Some scholars insist that Jesus drove a Honda but didn’t like to talk about it. As proof, they cite a verse in St. John’s
gospel where Christ tells the crowd, “For I did not speak of my own Accord.”

Joshua drove a Triumph sports car with a hole in its muffler: “Joshua’s Triumph was
heard throughout the land.” And, following the Master’s lead, the Apostles car-pooled in a Honda: “The Apostles were in one Accord.”

Jace Walden January 16, 2008 at 4:43 pm

GOPeach,

Did I mention that I love it when you call me “baby”?

Icarus January 16, 2008 at 4:47 pm

Sounds like it was a long week at camp, Jace.

Jace Walden January 16, 2008 at 4:52 pm

Icarus,

I would appreciate it if you wouldn’t refer to it as “camp”. It’s not like we were doing arts and crafts and having recreation hour.

The installation we were at is called “Camp Blanding”. Sort of like “Camp Rudder” or “Camp Pendleton”.

That said, it was a long week. But let’s change the subject, I don’t really like to wear the fact that I’m in the Guard on my sleeve. Don’t get me wrong, I’m proud of it, but I don’t want to be associated with some people who attempt to use their military service as a shield against criticism.

On to GOPeach…word on the street is that GOPeach is what us in the younger generation would refer to as a “MILF”. Is this in fact true? Not that it matters, I am very happy with my girlfriend…just curious.

Icarus January 16, 2008 at 4:59 pm

Jace,

Seriously dude,

lay off the cough syrup.

I’m worried about you man.

IndyInjun January 16, 2008 at 5:05 pm

Hackabee is the most slimy, lying character to run for POTUS in a lifetime that includes LBJ, Tricky Dick and Bush 43.

This campaign has been gratifying. Back when Erick, et al, banned Ron Paul candidates from RedState, I confidently predicted that Dr. Paul would be around a LOT longer than most of the ‘front runners’ candidates, particularly Erick’s man FRED!

Ron Paul is the most kind, decent, principled man that I have ever met in politics. For these reasons he could never win and, frankly, I really did not want him to.

The FACTS are inescapable for us all, not just the ‘winner.’ At $30,000 in official debt per capita with the shortest maturities in a lifetime, $180,000 per capita NPV of future liabilities, and both set against family incomes of less than $50,000. There TWO AND ONLY TWO ways out – a declaration of bankruptcy or hyperinflation that will dwarf Zimbabwe and the Weimar Republic. (Well there IS a third and that is to use our military might to TAKE what we need – OIL and the world’s resources.)

This election is only entertainment to determine whose butt fries as POTUS along with all of us. Other than Dr Paul, who has a lifetime of fiscal responsibility, love of the Constitution, and loathe of big government, the rest of ‘em deserve what is coming.

Dr. Paul will never be the same. The $25 million he raised, the media attention, and the loyal following mean that his wisdom and influence are far greater than any of us imagined at the start of this campaign.

Never forget who destroyed the greatest nation on earth. He/she is as close as the nearest mirror.

Face the facts – we hold the power and we decide to cede it over to the likes of the liar Hackabee.

The real conservatives like Paul and Buchanan were dismissed as ‘kooks.’ At least the fall cannot be placed at their feet.

The Talibaptist, eh…..HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

I can never forgive myself for voting for Bush 43. He was the final nail in the coffin.

It was the biggest wrong that I have ever done in my life.

Icarus January 16, 2008 at 5:09 pm

Indy,

Seriously dude,

lay off the cough syrup.

I’m worried about you man.

IndyInjun January 16, 2008 at 5:14 pm

Icarus,

Thanks for reminding me to buy cough syrup.

After it gets inflated to the max and I have to pay the Taxabee Fair????tax, I won’t have money to give to the party Hacks, which will leave me hacked off.

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 5:42 pm

Silly Silly Silly ….

You people are sooooo sil wee!

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 5:43 pm

Like YOU have better idea!

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 5:47 pm

Be nice –

Debbie is a Baptist.

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 5:48 pm

When Debbie goes to Heaven, I think God is going to make sure she has a mansion next door to Mike Huckabee in the Baptist section! :)

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 6:16 pm

Indy –

“He was the final nail in the coffin.”

Did you mean COUGHIN? :)

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 6:18 pm

SNOWIN in ATLANTA!

Looks like there SNOW stoppin Huckabee!

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 6:19 pm

Huckalujah!

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 6:42 pm

http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/01/16/with-race-wide-open-accusations-fly-in-south-carolina-republican-contest/

he Club for Growth — an economic watchdog that has aggressively gone after the former Arkansas governor for raising taxes in his state.

Huckabee’s campaign released a list of seven Romney donors it claims have given at least $585,000 to The Club for Growth.

“What does $585,000 buy you?” a campaign statement asks. “It bought Mitt Romney backers a smear job against Mike Huckabee orchestrated by Beltway insiders.”

Romegaguy January 16, 2008 at 6:44 pm

So I am scrolling through the useless crap posted on this one and come across the line of the day that Huckabee Loves Gays. Someone should really hire Ralph Reed to make some calls with that one in South Carolina. Far better than McCain and the black baby.

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 6:49 pm

Rome-

Look … Huckabee was a PASTOR!!!!
Pastors LOVE EVERYONE!!!
Jesus LOVES Gay Folks! C’mon!

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 6:50 pm

The Baby was from INDIA!!! She is not black.
Even if she were black – So what??
My grandkids are black!

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 6:51 pm

Ralph Reed loves my grandkids!

rugby_fan January 16, 2008 at 6:53 pm

“Pastors LOVE EVERYONE!!!”

Ted Haggard, Jerry Falwell, and Orel Roberts immediately come to mind.

debbie0040 January 16, 2008 at 6:54 pm

“When Debbie goes to Heaven, I think God is going to make sure she has a mansion next door to Mike Huckabee in the Baptist section! ”

I want my mansion in the nice section of heaven, not trailer park row where Huckabee will be…

rugby_fan January 16, 2008 at 6:54 pm

“I want my mansion in the nice section of heaven”

That is called the Catholic section.

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 7:02 pm

Rugby will have is mansion next to Mary.

Debbie will have her’s next to Mike and Janet.

I will have mine next to Jesus – where the Messianic Jews live !!!!! Hava Nagila

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a-lQCm6f_s

debbie0040 January 16, 2008 at 7:04 pm

I just found out Mitt Romey is almost 61 years old. He has aged very well….

GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 7:14 pm
GOPeach January 16, 2008 at 7:16 pm
debbie0040 January 16, 2008 at 10:10 pm

322 posts What is the record?

ConservativeCaucus January 16, 2008 at 10:30 pm

I think it is the Cobb GOP chair’s race from last year – 544.

Huckabee becomes first Presidential Candidate to sign “No Amnesty” Pledge.

The link will change, but as of right now this is current:
http://www.numbersusa.com/index

Also, his commitment to stop illegal immigration is rated excellent by Numbers USA.

IndyInjun January 16, 2008 at 11:13 pm

CC – Hooray!

How many nanoseconds will it last?

It is hard to spin faster than the Mormon, but by golly, Huckabee is giving him a run for it.

ConservativeCaucus January 16, 2008 at 11:30 pm

Huckabee has been talking about securing the border this entire campaign.

Jason Pye January 16, 2008 at 11:35 pm

Yeah, he supported illegals before he was against them.

ConservativeCaucus January 16, 2008 at 11:51 pm

lol Jason. That was a good comeback.

Jason Pye January 17, 2008 at 12:00 am

Huckabee has been criticized from illegal immigration alarmists for being too compassionate to them. I’m simply pointing it out.

ConservativeCaucus January 17, 2008 at 12:09 am

He has been criticized for his record in Arkansas where he did not seem to understand the gravity of the situation.

I am pleased that he has studied the issue more deeply and has come out for securing our borders and cracking down on employers who hire illegals.

Maurice Atkinson January 17, 2008 at 12:24 am

So Debbie, you must be moving up. tsk tsk

I went the Capital today for the Governor’s address and ran into some folks. Somehow our conversation ended up discussing the Peach Pundit. The one person never heard of it, while the other was fully aware of it and indicated at some point had felt the wrath. We agreed it has become the Georgia Enquirer of the political realm.

It is kind of humorous in a juvenile way that one can literally trash someone’s character that they have no clue about while hiding behind a alias. However, it does serve a valuable purpose. The folks on this electronic rag are from all over the state so you get some sense of what is happening.

Interestingly enough, I got an email from one of my class members from a few years ago who suggested I stop my ranting and should read a couple of Milton Friedman’s books. I’m not certain what the individual was referring to. I didn’t think Milton Friedman advocated running the national debt up 5 trillion dollars in less than 8 years. Hmmm I must have gone to the wrong school.

Debbie, I have no problem you slinging mud at Huckabee as long as you get the context right. I do, however, believe you’re going to have a real credibility problem in the fall excusing the massive runaway spending our lack of leadership has dumped on the American people. I really find it disingenuous that legislators who participated in the run up of the massive expansion in government are now running to the platform and want to lead us out of what they got us into.

If the national debt is not registering on your radar screen consider this. The candidate you are promoting has said this:
• $9 trillion debt affects our national security. (Dec 2007)
• We’re spending next generation’s money with no restraint. (Dec 2007)
• Mandatory future spending lockdown is unsustainable. (Oct 2007)
• No reason to believe we’re headed for recession. (Oct 2007)
• Weak dollar damages us internationally. (Oct 2007)
• Trillions in debt will cause fiscal tsunami in a few years. (Sep 2007)
These are all true statements. Out of 100 senators, where was his leadership building a coalition to halt this drunkenness? Where was John McCain and Ron Paul? I exclude Duncan Hunter, because he is the only legislator running that actually did something about it. He was instrumental in the overhaul in ’94, but he isn’t registering on the radar screen in this election.

For Romney, he’s every man’s candidate. He can articulate well both sides of the issue. He can effectively argue on all sides of the issue and actually make sense, but where is his core? What does the man believe in?

Huckabee, he accomplished something we can’t seem to accomplish in Georgia, as great a place as this is. He completely overhauled his roadways and left a surplus after inheriting a deficit. There are no road wizards that wave their wands and poof there’s a road; no educational wizards that place competent teachers in front of little Johnny and make him Einstein. Unfortunately or fortunately, there is a role of government. From all indicators he made it work. So you tell me who is a liberal, one who did something and left something positive for generations to come (plus a budget surplus) or the one who left over 5 trillion in debts for future generations to have to deal with? Who is the real liberal?

Darn government roads…. Oh well time for Milty.

debbie0040 January 17, 2008 at 5:44 am

You Huckabee supporters are rather humerous trying to spin the Huckster’s record and defend it.

Conservative Caucus: Huckabee still supports college tuition for children of illegal aliens. Huckabee’s plan is nothing more than shamnesty. 84 out of 85 anti illegal immigration oppose him and his so called plan. He stated in interviews that they would have to leave and take their place in line behind others following the laws but they could be back in this country days or even weeks. That is amnesty. They are being rewarded for their illegal behavior by being allowed to stay and just have to leave for a few weeks. I have posted the transcript of that interview above in an earlier posting in this thread.

I am simply pointing out facts about Huckabee’s record. That is not trashing. If Huckabee would be honest, that would not be necessary.

The Supreme Court did not order a tax increase to improve education.

“The Supreme Court never ordered the governor or the state to raise a dime of taxes. It said the quality of education across the state was uneven and by and large inadequate. It left it to the legislature how to equalize and strengthen the schools.

The legislators and Gov. Huckabee decided to do it by raising taxes rather than redirecting existing resources. Huckabee also wanted to achieve equality by consolidating most of the state’s school districts, which the Supreme Court did not order and the legislature ultimately did not accept.”

While it is not liberal to want good education, it is liberal when your first reaction is to raise taxes and not try to reallocate resources and try to cut spending.

As for Huckabee inheriting a deficit and leaving a surplus, that is not true. Another one of the Huckster’s falsehoods.

“Huckabee did not inherit a $250 million deficit but a SURPLUS of close to that sum.

Conservative budgeting by the legislature and Gov. Tucker in 1995 produced a surplus that was $107.4 million the day that Huckabee took over from Tucker in July 1996.

The Tucker budget produced another surplus of $118 million in the new fiscal year that was beginning and which Huckabee had absolutely nothing to do with. So Huckabee and the new legislature had a surplus of about $225 million to spend when it assembled in January 1997. It was that surplus that gave them the leeway to cut income taxes.

As for the $850 million surplus that Huckabee left, there is some substance to it. The surplus, built by tight budgeting under the direction of House Speaker Bill Stovall, was actually about $470 million when Huckabee left office in January but a batch of tax increases that he had helped pass between 2001 and 2005 sent the surplus soaring to $850 million by the end of this June, six months after he left office.

All those tax increases help account for the increase in size of the state government from $7.1 billion a year when Huckabee took office to about $17.1 billion when he left 10 ½ years later. ““The voters in the state had voted for a highway program that was totally unfunded.” What Rollins was talking about we have no idea. The voters approved an interstate highway program in 1999 but it was 100 percent funded. It was a bond issue supported by Huckabee. The bond issue was paid off from existing state taxes and federal receipts.

“He went forth and made it an issue. And then the voters themselves voted for a three-cent increase in taxes.” Didn’t happen. The voters never voted for a tax increase of any size to pay for highways. That three-cent gasoline tax, which Huckabee proposed, was passed into law by the legislature and was collected before people voted on the highway bond issue. Again: Although Huckabee has said so repeatedly, voters never had a chance to vote on taxes.”

http://www.arkansasleader.com/2007/12/editorialspure-fiction-from-rollins.html

debbie0040 January 17, 2008 at 5:47 am

Huckabee is saying anything to get elected. Voters should look at the record to make their decisions not campaign rhetoric.

Huckabee has not been honest on his record numerous times so why trust him to keep his word about his campaign promises?

debbie0040 January 17, 2008 at 5:57 am
debbie0040 January 17, 2008 at 7:16 am

Huckabee keeps changing his positions on illegal immigration. It is very clear that he will say anything to get elected. In that respect, he is a lot like Bill Clinton.

He is not to be believed…

debbie0040 January 17, 2008 at 7:21 am

The exit polls from Iowa, Michigan and New Hampshire also show that he has no appeal outside of evangelicals. That is not enough to get him elected… Fred Thompson is surging and has broad appeal.

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=12588

The final tactical consideration is the province of Evangelical, conservative Christians. It has now become increasingly clear, from exit polls, that Mike Huckabee has not effectively expanded his appeal beyond the Christian Right — not in Iowa, not in New Hampshire, not in an unexpectedly poor, momentum-killing vote performance in Michigan. Continued insistence on such a one-trick pony could easily have the effect of marginalizing the Christian Right, especially considering the phenomenal number of respected conservative leaders who have warned that a Huckabee win would mean disaster. A healthy Thompson campaign, on the other hand, gives pro-life, pro-Second Amendment voters another viable option. It is for good reason (Thompson’s solid record) that the National Right to Life Committee endorsed Thompson, and a discernibly strong move of Evangelicals to the Tennessean would give them a huge amount of influence in a Thompson presidency while realigning social conservatives with their brethren among economic- and strong-defense conservatives.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080117/NATION/213689491/1001&template=nextpage
Huckabee’s new immigration stance. Anyone keeping a tally sheet of his change in policies?
Mr. Huckabee has faced some of the same questions, and yesterday’s pledge — signed at a press conference with Numbers USA Executive Director Roy Beck — was an effort to provide answers.

It’s a major reversal from less than two months ago, when Mr. Beck told The Washington Times that Mr. Huckabee was “an absolute disaster” on immigration during his time as governor. Americans for Better Immigration, another group Mr. Beck runs, has rated Mr. Huckabee’s record as “poor.”

Mr. Huckabee fought for tuition breaks for illegal-alien college students, failed to complete an agreement to let state police enforce federal immigration law and criticized enforcement efforts both at the federal and state level.

But Mr. Beck yesterday said Mr. Huckabee has made a number of key promises going forward, including to not grant illegal aliens long-term legal status; to reject a guaranteed right of return for those who go home voluntarily under his nine-point plan; and to not increase green cards as a way of allowing them to come back more quickly.

“Probably, this is the strongest no-amnesty, attrition plan of any of the candidates,” Mr. Beck said.

Numbers USA does not plan to endorse a candidate. The group has asked all of the candidates to sign the pledge, but Mr. Huckabee is the only one to do so.

Mr. Beck said doing so will improve Mr. Huckabee’s rating on the issue, bringing him in line with Mr. Thompson, Mr. Romney and Rep. Duncan Hunter of California.

Did Huckabee just Self Destruct?
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/01/did_huckabee_just_self_destruc.html

John Konop January 17, 2008 at 7:33 am

Debbie

Please seek help!

GOPeach January 17, 2008 at 7:47 am

John-

REALLY!!!

GOPeach January 17, 2008 at 7:53 am

FOR THE RECORD:

HUCKABEE ON THE ISSUES

1. TAXES/ECONOMY –Governor Huckabee supports The FairTax because it will restore the “Made in America” label, making American goods 12-25% more competitive, boosting economic growth, increasing our exports, and securing American jobs. It also prevents criminals or illegal aliens from avoiding taxes, and makes the taxes we all pay 100% transparent.

2. GOVERNMENT SPENDING – Governor Huckabee is committed to reducing government spending. One way he’ll do this is by reducing the cost of welfare. Governor Huckabee will work with states to reduce welfare roles through programs like the one he implemented in Arkansas, which reduced welfare roles by 50%.

3. HEALTH CARE –Governor Huckabee will implement a consumer-based healthcare system that emphasizes preventative medicine and wellness. Because 70% of our $2 trillion dollar healthcare costs is spent treating chronic, preventable diseases, this approach will make healthcare more affordable for everybody while keeping us healthier.

4. FAMILY VALUES –Governor Huckabee supports a federal constitutional amendment to protect the right to life. He Successfully fought for Arknasas’ marraige amendment and strongly supports a similar, federal constitutional amendment defining marriage as a union between one man and one woman.

5. IMMIGRATION –Governor Huckabee will secure the border (with physical barriers, electronic surveillance, and more border-patrol personnel and detention facilities). He will also end sanctuary cities and increase penalties on, and enforcement against, employers who hire illegal immigrants. Governor Huckabee will make sure the border patrol has adequate funding to end our “catch and release” system so that everyone caught trying to enter illegally, overstaying their visa, or committing a crime will be held until they’re tried, convicted, and deported.

6. WAR ON TERROR AND IRAQ – Governor Huckabee knows it takes a large, well-equipped military to ensure our national defense and to deter conventional military confrontations. He also knows we need large, well-equipped intelligence and Special Forces operations for our national offense – so we can effectively find and eliminate terrorists threats at home or abroad. Governor Huckabee will be a Commander in Chief who knows that IF WE HAVE TO FIGHT A WAR, our President has to fight it the way our GENERALS tell him it can be won, not the way we wants it to be won.

7. ENERGY INDEPENDENCE –Governor Huckabee will implement a program to end the import of foreign oil in the next ten years by increasing domestic oil production in the short term, and then replacing oil-based energy infrastructure with alternative and renewable energies.

8. CLEMENCIES – Arkansas Governors grant clemency, but the parole board grants parole. Wayne DuMond’s parole was granted by the board and NOT Governor Huckabee.

9. TAXES –When Governor Huckabee left office, the tax rates remained exactly the same as when he first came into office. Governor Huckabee returned almost $400 million to Arkansas taxpayers, and he also DOUBLED the standard deduction for individuals and married couples, DOUBLED the childcare tax credit, and eliminated the marriage penalty. He also repealed capital gains taxes for home sales, lowered the capital gains rate by 25%, expanded the homestead exemption, and set up tax-free savings accounts for medical care and college tuition.

Philly January 17, 2008 at 7:54 am

I was at the Wild Hog event and had several people tell me that I needed to check out this thread.

Very informative.

I choose to support McCain because I believe he has the best shot at winning in the general election. His campaign is on fire, and he has the big mo on his side. His campaign rallies are electric!

Thompson and Huckabee are finished. Thompson never caught on fire and with each and every day Huckabee is self destructing. Their supporters need to jump aboard the McCain Train!!

John Konop, you are the poster child for a sore loser. When Tom defeated you soundly, you supported his democratic opponent. It is apparent that you still have not recovered.

You are the one that needs psychiatric attention. You post on this board to try to draw traffic to your blog. It hasn’t escaped everyone’s attention that you post url’s to your blog at every chance.

John Konop January 17, 2008 at 8:06 am

Philly

I never endorsed Tom Price’s opponent. Also I have said in public that I agree with Tom Price on mandatory pay healthcare.

People like you who support the spewing of hate on both sides from supporters like Debbie need to look at your own life.

Debbie and her friends ( Ralph Reed} attacked McCain in 2000 with the black baby incident. Do you know about the latest attack?

REAL AMERICANS!

Real Americans do not attack VETS over service to our country bottom line! I did not support Kerry and do not support McCain but as an American and a human being I respect their service end of story!

Anti-McCain Flyer Begins Nasty South Carolina GOP Campaign

The mastermind of the anti-McCain veterans mailer, Jerry Kiley of the group Vietnam Veterans Against McCain, told NBC News/National Journal that he created the ad, and it was printed and mailed by a group that publishes the like-minded journal US Veteran Dispatch.

Among Kiley’s claims is that McCain gave his captors information about U.S. flight paths in exchange for better medical care after being shot down in Hanoi. He added that a similar effort to discredit McCain will be made in other states in the future.

SEE FLYER

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/real-americans

This is what happens when people like you support or say nothing about people like DEBBIE!

GOPeach January 17, 2008 at 8:07 am

Philly-

If you know ANYTHING about the Military…
When the bomb hits the the target, the plane catches flack!!

The Huckabee Campaign in the Plane!

GOPeach January 17, 2008 at 8:09 am

I happen to think John Konop is an great example of a “looser”. Most people who loose a campaign fade off into the sunset.

John build a web-site and stays involved. Like him or not – he is not going anywhere. I respect!

GOPeach January 17, 2008 at 8:10 am

John * built a web-site…

GOPeach January 17, 2008 at 8:11 am

I respect *that!

GOPeach January 17, 2008 at 8:14 am

THIS MORNING!!!

MYRTLE BEACH, S.C. — Mike Huckabee, written off as a long shot for much of the presidential campaign, emerged as one of the leaders of the Republican pack!

GOPeach January 17, 2008 at 8:19 am

The Huckabee Camp has VICTORY in their blood!

Philly January 17, 2008 at 8:35 am

Konop , there you go again. Spreading falsehoods. I saw Debbie’s response to the Reed thing in South Carolina. She didn’t know Reed at that time.

Now you are trying to link me in with that. You are deplorable and in urgent need of treatment. Your logic escapes reality.

Just because you support someone does not mean you condone everything they do.

I do remember having Tom’s opponent on your radio show. I do remember you spewing hate as you call it against Tom Price. It was clear that to all that you supported Tom’s opponent.

There you again linking to your web site. John, just how many blogs do you troll to and link to your site? Can’t you generate enough traffic on your own?

I read where there have been there have been complaints filed with the South Carolina’s Attorney General’s office about pro Huckabee push polling phone calls being made in South Carolina.

Posting facts about someone’s record is not hateful . That sounds just like something the Democrats would say. Konop, you are showing your true colors, you Democrat!!!

GOPeach January 17, 2008 at 9:41 am

Philly-

Everyone gets complaints filed. That is typical. That’s politics. It doesn’t mean there is any merit to the complaint. Let the Attorney General make that call. BTW – Who filed the complaint?

Jace Walden January 17, 2008 at 9:48 am

I have a multiple choice question:

Mike Huckabee is best described as:

(a) A Talibaptist
(b) A Christofacist
(c) A Jesushadist
(d) Bap-Qaeda
(d) All of the Above

rugby_fan January 17, 2008 at 9:48 am

John is a “looser”?

Who put him in charge of the hounds?

Remember GOPeach was at one time an editor of a newspaper.

Jace Walden January 17, 2008 at 9:48 am

sorry

(e) All of the Above

Philly January 17, 2008 at 9:53 am

debbie0040 // Jan 16, 2008 at 9:15 am

From Redstate:

Push Poll for Huckabee:

Alan M. Teitleman

Phone: 843-634-3513 Fax: 704-625-0945 119 N. McGregor Ave Ruby, SC 29741 [email protected]

January 15, 2008

Open Letter to South Carolina Attorney General Henry McMaster:

Earlier this evening, at approximately 8:50 PM on Tuesday, January 15, 2008, I received a telephone call from telephone number 703-961-1077 with the Caller ID of “Hinton, L”. Answering the phone, I was asked if I would participate in a 45 second poll on the presidential primary. After being asked if I supported President Bush and was planning to vote in the South Carolina Primary, I was asked whom I planned to support. I responded Fred Thompson. I was immediately thrown into a series of questions asking my position on illegal immigration, abortion, and others. Each question went as follows: “Are you pro-life” My answer “Yes”. Their response: “Did you know that Senator Fred Thompson [contradicting pro-life stance], and that Governor Mike Huckabee has [supporting pro-life stance]. After answering two of the questions, I took out my tape recorder and recorded the rest of the conversation. Being acutely aware of push polling tactics and negative campaigning, I answered some of the questions based on the responses that would illicit a negative response from the caller. I have attached a copy of the voice recording of the second half of the auto call (unfortunately the really good nasty stuff was during the first half of the call), as well as photos of the caller ID displaying the callers name, telephone number, and time of call.

It is my request that you pursue these individuals to the fullest extent of the law. You may reach me at the contact information listed above.

Sincerely,
Alan M. Teitleman

Icarus January 17, 2008 at 10:00 am

Jace,

I think you forgot Mouth Breathing Hick-ite.

(Just trying to help).

GOPeach January 17, 2008 at 10:05 am

Rugby –

Go back to bed!

I was never an editor! I was a writer.
That is why I can spell better when
I write like this in a column than when
I am forced to write all the way across the comptuter srceen liek thiis!

GOPeach January 17, 2008 at 10:15 am

Philly-

Mr. Teitleman is funny. There is no law in South Carolina against this type of phone call. The Thompson and McCain people are already doing this exact same thing to me in GEORGIA.

Let’s see…. let me send a few letters off to Thurbert Baker to openly complain!

GOPeach January 17, 2008 at 10:17 am

Thompson is circling the drain.

GOPeach January 17, 2008 at 10:18 am

He looks like he is always smelling a fart.

jsm January 17, 2008 at 10:23 am

This thread has been one of the most entertaining I’ve seen in a while…

I would like to hear him clarify his remarks.

CC, I’m betting most of Huck’s supporters would like to as well.

I thought preachers were not supposed to lie or be sleezy like Clinton.

Debbie, have you watched TBN lately?

Huckalujah!

That sounds a lot like ‘Hock a lugey.’

GOPeach January 17, 2008 at 10:26 am

Which best describes Mitt?

(a) Moron
(b) Ladder Day Ain’t
(c) Bishop Pizza
(d) Romoney
(e) All the Above

jsm January 17, 2008 at 10:28 am

Thompson is circling the drain.

He looks like he is always smelling a fart.

Such thoughtful debate on this issues there, Peach. Isn’t it funny that no one can debate Fred on the issues?

America, being led by big media, may be missing a great opportunity to elect a true Constitutional conservative, because he’s not jumping through the flaming hoops and doing the dance like the ‘shining’ so-called front runners. Sad.

GOPeach January 17, 2008 at 10:29 am

TBN??? Hahahahahahahahahahaha

How about 700 Club? Pat luvs Rudy!

GOPeach January 17, 2008 at 10:33 am

jsm:

This is a true constitutional conservative?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp1TGBFtgEI

GOPeach January 17, 2008 at 10:36 am
John Konop January 17, 2008 at 10:37 am

First Debbie did support Ralph Reed after knowing about the racist attacks on McCain. Also Debbie has used the spewing of hate on this blog for supporters of Huckabee, Paul and Obama. One example of numerous attacks by Debbie is comparing the supporters of Huckabbe as the same as the followers of mass murder Jim Jones.

Second on my radio show and blog Tom Price was invited and he declined. Also if you did listen topmy show I had numerous guest from Libertarians, Democrats and Republicans. The ads on my blog are paid for if you want you can advertise.

As far as Party affiliation I have made no secrete that I am independent now. Republican like you who support out of control spending, tax breaks without spending cuts; nation building and trade policy that sells out Americans and promotes slave labor have left people like me without a Party.

How you can sleep at night knowing that you are leaving a debt of close to 10 trillion and counting to our kids shows your true colors!

GOPeach January 17, 2008 at 10:41 am
GOPeach January 17, 2008 at 10:45 am
GOPeach January 17, 2008 at 10:47 am

John –

I have a real hard time sleeping at night because of this. Seriously.

GOPeach January 17, 2008 at 10:52 am

The ZEAL of the FRED THOMPSON campaign!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMSrHYrK1ek&feature=related

If only Fred has Debbie’s coffee. We will never know. If Fred was a real friend to John McCain, he would stop smearing Huckabee and drop his ass out of the race and endorse his fellow senator.

But nooooooo – he has to mozey around Charleston with Jeri looking at artwork and such.

jsm January 17, 2008 at 10:53 am

This is a true constitutional conservative?

You’re kidding, right, Peach?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1846031/posts

Griffin was a very early, very informal adviser to AR Gov. Mike Huckabee. He is a protege of GOP strategist Barbara Comstock, who now works for Mitt Romney. Comstock co-owns a consulting firm with Thompson’s unofficial press secretary, Mark Corallo.

Griffin is very unpopular with liberals who believe he was part of a 2004 scheme to disenfranchise black voters in Florida. But he is highly regarded by Republicans, having served as a dep. pol. dir. in the White House before his Army Reserve service.”

jsm January 17, 2008 at 10:58 am

Wow, Peach! Checking out the blogroll of the videomakers you enjoy so much there at headzup.tv, you and the Huckleberry are in great company!

GOPeach January 17, 2008 at 11:14 am

jsm….. ya gotta laugh some time.

This stuff gets so stuffy – ya know?

GOPeach January 17, 2008 at 11:15 am

I am kidding!

Just having some fun on this snowy day in A-town.

Philly January 17, 2008 at 11:20 am

John, you did some spewing of hate of your own about Tom Price and other congressmen and continue to do so on your web site. You seem to think that because you criticize someone or their record, that is spewing hate . Apply that spewing hate label to yourself, let’s not be selective.

You are laughable. You take comments out of context then twist them around to suit your twisted idea of what the truth is.

I have searched threads about the Presidential elections and did not one thread in which Debbie spewed hate as you wildy claim . I did see where she was critical of Paul supporters behavior at the Rudy event.

I have seen you spewing hate as well. Don’t be selective, John. I have seen others spewing hate according to your standard, yet you single Debbie0040 out.

Be consistent…

debbie0040 January 17, 2008 at 11:37 am

Philly, please just ignore John as most on this blog do. Don’t encourage him.

I take exception when you said that Fred is dead. Fred is doing well in South Carolina and some radio talk show hosts think he may pull off an upset and win. South Carolina has a habit of deciding on their own.

John Konop January 17, 2008 at 12:27 pm

Debbie and Philly

You have no facts only hate. I have demonstrated by your lack of reply to the facts I presented that you admit you are wrong. I will pray for you and Debbie that you see the light.

John Konop January 17, 2008 at 12:47 pm

Philly,

Do you agree with Debbie that Huckabee supporters are the same as people who followed Jim Jones?

I challenge you to show any personal attack on Tom Price or his family from me?

Do you think because I pointed out his pork votes on Highway, Energy, Farm…. And supportedf No Child Left Behind that is a personal?

Do you think that is same as the racist attacks from people like Debbie against Huckabee, Obama and McCain?

Do you think that is the same as the attacks on McCain military record?

Do you get people are tired of the attacks ads that having nothing to do with issues just pure hate!

Doug Deal January 17, 2008 at 12:57 pm

Interesting exit poll numbers for the Michigan primary. It had Romney beating Huckabee in his own core supports. More evidence that outside of Bible Belt states he won’t do well.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#MIREP

drjay January 17, 2008 at 1:05 pm

unless he drops out–i bet huck still wins arkansas on super tuesday…

Icarus January 17, 2008 at 1:26 pm

“unless he drops out–i bet huck still wins arkansas on super tuesday…”

I’m not sure he can survive this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYB16MJDVZs

Tommy_a2b January 17, 2008 at 3:01 pm

Dang you guys are really keeping this thread alive.

rugby_fan January 17, 2008 at 3:07 pm

No Tommy, we are keeping the dream alive.

The dream of setting a new record for most number of comments in a thread.

Icarus January 17, 2008 at 3:12 pm

I belive Rugby, I believe.

And with a little bi-partisan help, and the continued refusal of the primary posters to take their meds, I know we’ll get there.

Philly January 17, 2008 at 3:20 pm

Konop, I challenge you to prove the things you said Debbie0040 said. What threads were they in? You live in your own little delusional world.

I have researched your posts and found some to be hate filled. Don’t be a hater, John…

By the way, I unscribed today from your hate filled newsletter.

You are selective in who you say pushes hate. I have seen much worse comments from others and that does not seem to bother you. Quit being such a overbearing a$$.

You are delusional. They have medication to help people like you.

Philly January 17, 2008 at 3:21 pm

Konop, I believe your problem is that you hate women, especially strong women. Quit being a sexist John.

ConservativeCaucus January 17, 2008 at 3:34 pm

I don’t know anyone who is saying that Thompson isn’t a conservative – I for one, believe that he is.

My particular issue with Thompson (who I could enthusiastically support in the general) is that he has very little to show for his senate career (except for being a vocal supporter of McCain-Feingold) and that I don’t believe that he is the best communicator of conservative principles.

I think he is a good man and a conservative. Our country would be blessed to have him in the White House, I just believe that we can do better.

rugby_fan January 17, 2008 at 3:35 pm

“and the continued refusal of the primary posters to take their meds”

I say this with pride; I have never agreed to take mine!

ConservativeCaucus January 17, 2008 at 3:39 pm

Sorry to double-post, just doing my part to break the record.

Huckabee becomes first Presidential candidate to sign “No Amnesty” Pledge:

http://www.numbersusa.com/hottopic/011608ABI_pressrelease.html

Governor Huckabee understands his pledge to mean that:

1. The 12 million illegal aliens now here will have to go home.

2. They will not get any legal status while here that allows them to remain long-term.

3. Once in their home countries, they may apply for re-admittance to the U.S. as immigrants, visitors or temporary workers through normal channels.

4. But they will not receive any special privileges on the basis of their having been in the U.S. illegally, such as being put to the front of a line.

5. There will be no new categories or programs through which they may re-enter.

6. There will not be an expansion of green cards in any existing categories that will speed up their movement to the front of the line.

GOPeach January 17, 2008 at 3:46 pm

Philly –

A$$ LOL

Now that was cute. I like that.

GOPeach January 17, 2008 at 3:47 pm

If only Thompson has some Beano.

GOPeach January 17, 2008 at 3:48 pm

What is the record? In the most posts????

GOPeach January 17, 2008 at 3:53 pm

HUCKABEE SIGNS NO AMNESTY PLEDGE!

Son – that is H U G E !!!!

Put that in your pipe Mitt and smoke it!
Oh that’s right – you are a Mormon Bishop.
Maybe Obama can teach you how to smoke!

http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/bigstory-20070117-obama-tm.jpg

Bill Simon January 17, 2008 at 4:02 pm

Wow….I leave for 24 hours and 70 posts fill-in the void on this thread.

whitemalevoters January 17, 2008 at 4:06 pm

John Konop,

The word from Philly (the person not the place) is that you hate women, especially strong ones.

If this is the case, please let us know. As you know, we have made a living out of keeping women and dangerous minorities in the political wilderness. We could really use a he-man woman hater like you to further our cause.

We have to defeat the forces of equality! Together we can accomplish this. Let us know if you are in.

We have to beat Hillary Clinton (both literally and electorally), and Barack Obama!

Are you with us?

Doug Deal January 17, 2008 at 4:08 pm

Bill,

You can leave for an hour and there will be 15 posts, if GOPeach is one of the posters.

What’s that record again?

John Konop January 17, 2008 at 4:15 pm

Philly

How would I know you are a woman from your comments? Once again you have no facts just more spewing of hate. If you had any facts you would use them. I will pray for you and Debbie.

John Konop January 17, 2008 at 4:19 pm

Philly,

Do you agree with Debbie that Huckabee supporters are the same as people who followed Jim Jones?

ConservativeCaucus January 17, 2008 at 4:19 pm

Peach, you did say you would leave religion out of this – stick to the issues.

Talk about how Romney has been on both sides of every important issue or something of that nature. I don’t care if he is baptist, mormon, methodist, atheist, agnostic, deist, etc – the question is if he is the right leader for our party and our country.

Philly January 17, 2008 at 4:47 pm

I never said I was a woman, John. You just incorrectly assumed that. You always attack Debbie0040 for hate filled speech, but I see much more from some of the men and you don’t say a word about. I assumed you did not like strong women. You are very selective in accusing posters of being hate filled. Don’t be a sexist, John.

I asked you to provide the thread where Debbie0040 said those things you accuse her of. Please give me the name of the thread so I can see the context as well. I am sure you have selective memory.

Don’t be a hater, John..

You Thompson, Romney and Rudy people just need to come and get on the McCain train so Huckabee can be stopped before the GOP self destructs. Your candidates can not win. Don’t you want a candidate that can win in November?

Huckabee has limited appeal and changes positions on issues as often a baby has to have his diaper changed. Then there is the religion thing. He also suffers from foot in mouth disease and is not a conservative.

Romney will not appeal to Southern voters and neither will Rudy. Romney has changed his positions, too. Rudy is just a social liberal.

You really hate the GOP Congressmen and attack them. Maybe it is because you are jealous because you are not one.

Get over your hate and sexism

John Konop January 17, 2008 at 5:01 pm

Philly

Debbie knows she made the comment or other wise she would deny it. I challenge you to demonstrate a sexist comment I made. In fact when Karen Handel was getting attack and Mary Wilhite on the PP I defended them as well.

Once again you are grasping at straws and not dealing with facts.

John Konop January 17, 2008 at 5:03 pm

Philly,

Once again do you agree with Debbie that Huckabee supporters are the same as people who followed Jim Jones?

GOPeach January 17, 2008 at 5:09 pm

South Carolina LT. GOV. ENDORSES HUCKABEE !!!!

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/17/584264.aspx

CHARLESTON, SC — During a visit to a Nucor Steel facility here this morning, Huckabee received the endorsement of South Carolina Lt. Governor Andre Bauer, and he tried to distinguish himself from his biggest rival in the state — McCain — by hammering away on the theme that “Washington insiders don’t solve Washington problems.”

GOPeach January 17, 2008 at 5:13 pm
Bill Simon January 17, 2008 at 5:41 pm

Philly IS Debbie.

Bill Simon January 17, 2008 at 5:43 pm

I thought we settled this LAST year?

GOPeach January 17, 2008 at 6:00 pm

HUCKABEE & MCCAIN TIED 24-24!

GO MIKE GO! GO MIKE GO! GO MIKE GO!

The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of South Carolina’s Republican Presidential Primary shows that John McCain and Mike Huckabee are tied at 24%.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/south_carolina/election_2008_south_carolina_republican_primary

debbie0040 January 17, 2008 at 6:06 pm

Bill, you are wrong.

Rasmussen was on Hannity and said Romney’s support ing South Carolina is very soft. 41% of the voters said they could change their minds.

South Carolina is make or break for Fred and he will do better than expected..

Bill Simon January 17, 2008 at 6:09 pm

Time for Ralph Reed to whip-out the old KKK voicemail tape for South Carolinians and knock McCain down a few.

Alert: McCain stole a black baby right from his mother’s arms.

GOPeach January 17, 2008 at 6:11 pm

Those Suthin PAYPUL ah not about to elect a MOH-MON….

And they AH not too crazy about a MooVee Stah
EEthah.

A Mini sttah -Guvnah = Now tha-at is mo-ah like it.

debbie0040 January 17, 2008 at 6:11 pm
GOPeach January 17, 2008 at 6:21 pm

Have we reached the record in posts yet???

What was the record before?

GOPeach January 17, 2008 at 7:26 pm

Doug – I guess that is something we have to DEAL with – especially you! :)

GOPeach January 17, 2008 at 7:28 pm

A picture of McCain’s black baby:

http://www.peteykins.com/sparklepics3/TarBabyMcCain.jpg

GOPeach January 17, 2008 at 7:32 pm
GOPeach January 17, 2008 at 9:37 pm

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gJibleTYDScOm5cW2IfWOEKMrrVwD8U7VMM01

Huckabee Says Let SC Decide on Flag

“You don’t like people from outside the state coming in and telling you what to do with your flag,” Huckabee, a former Arkansas governor, told supporters Thursday in Myrtle Beach, S.C.

“In fact, if somebody came to Arkansas and told us what to do with our flag, we’d tell ‘em what to do with the pole, that’s what we’d do,” Huckabee said.

Maurice Atkinson January 17, 2008 at 11:19 pm

This whole thing is anyone’s guess, which is awesome. Conceivably, this could go to the convention.

Debbie, your posted link to redstate mentions that Fred’s numbers are going up and that Huckabee’s numbers are softening. There is a direct correlation to the amount of media the candidate garners. I still say Huckabee’s numbers can shift. With the current and former governors endorsements I would guess it would help put him up a few spots by Saturday. I doubt his numbers will pull from Fred. My guess is that they’ll soften McCain’s.

Ross Perot’s flaming against McCain is going to sting dependent upon how much the televised media gives to it.

Romney didn’t do himself any favors by getting in the feud with the reporter on camera. However, his deep pockets will keep him moving.

This whole race has done some great things for our Party. It has ignited the base and stimulated a “real” grassroots movement. If the campaigns don’t get too out of hand, I would anticipate it would set us up for the fall in a great way.

We still have to deal with the big government runup. Fighting over who is the real conservative is a moot issue. This administration and the prior Republican congress haven’t been anywhere close to conservative. Perhaps this election season will breed a new level of conservative congressional leaders.

At any rate, it is healthy. Iron sharpens iron.

GOPeach January 18, 2008 at 12:53 am

Here is a RON PAUL supporter Voting for MIKE HUCKABEE …. Like ME!!! I found somebody who says what I have been thinking…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CmlNoQ6FY0

GOPeach January 18, 2008 at 5:52 am

Debbie –

Here are a few things you may want to know ……

Question: What does $585,000 buy you?

Answer: It bought Mitt Romney backers a smear job against Mike Huckabee orchestrated by Beltway Insiders.

The Club for Growth has an affiliated 527 group, Club for Growth.net, running anti-Mike Huckabee ads in early primary states.

– At least $585,000 in contributions from Mitt Romney financial backers.

– Club for Growth has spent $750,000 against Governor Huckabee in Iowa, South Carolina and Michigan. Here are donors that have donated both to Club for Growth.net* and Mitt Romney: Name: John Childs**

Contribution to Beltway Group $100,000 on 11/16/07

$100,000 on 12/31/07

Contribution to Mitt Romney $2,100 on 1/8/07 Name: Bob Perry

Contribution to Beltway Group

$200,000 on 12/12/07

Contribution to Mitt Romney $2,300 on 3/13/07

Name: Kristen Hertel

Contribution to Beltway Group

$25,000 on 12/21/07

$25,000 on 1/02/08

Contribution to Mitt Romney $1,000 on 2/6/07

Name: Muneer Satter

Contribution to Beltway Group

$25,000 on 12/21/07 $25,000 on 1/02/08

Contribution to Mitt Romney

$2,300 on 2/6/07

Name: Michael Valentine

Contribution to Beltway Group

$40,000 on 1/3/08

Contribution to Mitt Romney

$2,300 on 4/4/07

Name: Travis Anderson

Contribution to Beltway Group

$25,000 on 12/19/07

Contribution to Mitt Romney

$2,100 on 2/8/07

Name: Richard Gaby

Contribution to Beltway Group

$20,000 on 12/19/07

Contribution to Mitt Romney

$1,000 on 2/12/07 * Only represents donors that contributed more than $20,000 to Club for Growth.net in 2007/2008. ** “Boston investor John Childs, who donated $2,100 to Romney in 2007, recently gave 100,000 to the Club for Growth.” [Morain, Dan. “Huckabee foes open their wallets for attack ads,” The Los Angeles Times. 1 January 2008.]

debbie0040 January 18, 2008 at 7:01 am

I support Club For Growth and value their opinion over Tax Hike Mike’s.

Huckabee has been dishonest about his college degrees, fiscal record , Wayne Dumond. He is untrustworthy. He changes his immigrations positions at will.

Peach you fail to realize that Club For Growth has facts to back up their attacks.

I would much rather see McCain or Romney win South Carolina than Tax Hike Mike.

You just never know what will happen. Fred could do better than expected.

John Konop January 18, 2008 at 7:30 am

The real question is cutting taxes without the needed spending cuts, which has driven out of control debt and drove the dollar in the ground fiscally responsible? The ideal situation is cutting taxes and spending, but any rational person knows balancing a budget is better than running out of control red ink!

The concept of pay as you go mobilized our country toward rational fiscal policy. Newt got the message when Perot got 19% of the vote as an independent based on controlling debt as a major issue!

This is why the GOP trashing Ron Paul is very similar to what happen to Perot. The GOP does not get real fiscal conservatives understand cutting taxes without proper spending cuts is irresponsible and immoral to future generations.

Doug Deal January 18, 2008 at 8:56 am

GOPeach,

That’s original and clever. In all the years of having my last name, no one, and I do mean no one, has ever come up with that hilarious pun. You are a wordsmith of the first order.

:-)

IndyInjun January 18, 2008 at 9:12 am

JK wrote:

“This is why the GOP trashing Ron Paul is very similar to what happen to Perot. The GOP does not get real fiscal conservatives understand cutting taxes without proper spending cuts is irresponsible and immoral to future generations.”

Perot DID temporarily stun the 2 parties into sanity. The Repugs claim it was their control of the House and the Dims claim it was Clinton, but Perot’s 19% of the vote was the sledgehammer.

As it now looks this will be the first presidential election in my lifetime that I sit out. In fact there are only a few races at all in which I am interested – DUMP SAXBY CHAMBLISS and KEEP PAUL BROUN being foremost.

I find myself with a burning hatred of the Republican Party and mere distain of the Democratic Party.

jsm January 18, 2008 at 9:19 am

Those Suthin PAYPUL ah not about to elect a MOH-MON….

And they AH not too crazy about a MooVee Stah
EEthah.

A Mini sttah -Guvnah = Now tha-at is mo-ah like it.

One who enjoys dining on fried squirrel?

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/01/17/huckabee-proud-of-his-fried-squirrel/

Jace Walden January 18, 2008 at 9:40 am

IndyInjun,

Although he has denied it, my gut feeling is that Ron Paul will run as an independent. If this is the case, we won’t have to sit out.

Actually, I think a three way Presidential Race between a Republican, a Democrat and an Independent Ron Paul actually favors Paul. He’ll only have to deal with TWO big government candidates. Right now he’s having to deal with 5.

rugby_fan January 18, 2008 at 10:01 am

Does anyone know what $585,000 will get you these days?

More importantly, does anyone know when Paul Broun will be sworn in?

We are 120 comments away from a new record.

I respectfully call for a a moratorium at 543 comments.

Icarus January 18, 2008 at 10:12 am

Rugby,

Have you ever even seen Paul Broun?

How do we even know he really exists? Perhaps that’s why he can’t get sworn in.

GOPeach January 18, 2008 at 10:12 am

jsm –

You can see now that Gov. Huckabee is down to earth – Unlike Mitt and his flippin “varment” story. What a Mama’s Boy. He probably had to go to he beauty shop with his mother like John Edwards did instead of going outside with a shot gun.

Now… I personally do not eat squirrel – we are Kosher… but… that Huckabee is so colorful! Such wit. Always putting people at ease. Good for him.

rugby_fan January 18, 2008 at 10:21 am

“Have you ever even seen Paul Broun?

How do we even know he really exists? Perhaps that’s why he can’t get sworn in.”

Dear god, its quite possibly the greatest conspiracy of all time.

And worst of all, it is genius, pure, bloody genius.

GOPeach January 18, 2008 at 10:41 am

Rugby – You must be a Ron Paul supporter :)

debbie0040 January 18, 2008 at 10:43 am

Huckabee is so down to earth he will probably put in a trailer park on Whitehouse grounds…

Headed to South Carolina. HAve fun breaking record.

Peach, BREAK the RECORD!!!

GOPeach January 18, 2008 at 10:50 am

Debbie:

Huckabee has a theology degree!

THE VOTERS voted to raise taxes – Huckabee sign what THEY WANTED – Hell it’s their roads and their money! Let them spend it on what they want. You think Mitt Romney would dare drive his Rolls-Royce down through Arkansas???

And let me seeeeeee you actually think Governor Huckabee was sitting at his desk thinking … ” I know what I will do today – I will let a criminal out of jail so he will go kill someone.!!!!!”

Debbie THAT rhetoric is S I C K !!!!!!
It’s like my sister saying – ” I know what I will do, I will give my stepson the car keys so he can get drunk and kill someone in the car.” Which is what happened!

To blame Governor Huckabee for a tragedy is cruel!

GOPeach January 18, 2008 at 10:56 am

Well Debbie – you may just see my son with his Rotary Club friends between Hilton Head and Charleston with the Huckabee SIGNS!

LOW- COUNTRY Victory … I can smell the fried squirrel all the way to Vinings!

BTW Debbie – Who are you campaigning for now Fred? Rudy? or Mitt? You seem a little “undecided”. :)

GOPeach January 18, 2008 at 11:12 am

MIKE

GOPeach January 18, 2008 at 11:12 am

HUCKABEE

GOPeach January 18, 2008 at 11:12 am

WILL

GOPeach January 18, 2008 at 11:12 am

WIN

GOPeach January 18, 2008 at 11:13 am

:)

GOPeach January 18, 2008 at 11:14 am
Icarus January 18, 2008 at 11:14 am

Peach, you’re cheating. The record will now forever have an * next to it.

GOPeach January 18, 2008 at 11:15 am

The following officials, former officials and South Carolina public figures have officially endorsed
Governor Mike Huckabee for President of the United States:
Mike Campbell, State Chairman
Former First Lady Iris Campbell, Honorary State Chair
Former Governor David Beasley (see endorsement video)
Former First Lady Mary Wood Beasley
US Congressman Bob Inglis
State Senator David Thomas
State Senator Danny Verdin
State Representative Liston Barfield
State Representative Rex Rice
State Representative Glenn Hamilton
State Representative Keith Kelly
State Rep. Richard Chalk
Former SC GOP Chairman George Graham
Former State. Sen. Bob Waldrep
Former State Representative Warren Arthur
Tim Scott, Charleston County Council Chairman
Fred Payne, Greenville County Council

GOPeach January 18, 2008 at 11:17 am

Oh – did I mention Jesus? :)

Jace Walden January 18, 2008 at 11:17 am

I will never join Huck’s Army.

I am still debating on whether or not to join Dumbledore’s Army though.

GOPeach January 18, 2008 at 11:18 am

What is the record????

Jace Walden January 18, 2008 at 11:20 am

GOPeach there is rampant speculation that you have been using a comment enhancing keyboard.

Are these allegations true?

GOPeach January 18, 2008 at 11:24 am

rampant speculation ????? Comment enhancing?

what?

GOPeach January 18, 2008 at 11:26 am
GOPeach January 18, 2008 at 11:28 am

You are the cutest blogger … well you and Clayton.
He is cute too with those little boys he has.

GOPeach January 18, 2008 at 11:29 am

Let’s seeee hummmmm What else can I post ?????

GOPeach January 18, 2008 at 11:30 am
Icarus January 18, 2008 at 11:32 am

Well Peach, I’m kind of curious as to your position on whether or not giraffe meat is Kosher. In theory, it is, but there appears to be another school of thought that it is not, as there is not a proper place on the neck of the giraffe to slaughter the animal.

rugby_fan January 18, 2008 at 11:46 am

Several things have popped in my head recently.

First and foremost, Peach did not answer the question of using a comment enhancing keyboard.

Second, Jace is now Peach’s new flame. Well done sir.

Third, Huckabee’s theology degree is honorary. I know you would like to think that is the same thing as having a real degree, but, would you like an honorary lawyer or doctor representing or operating on you?

If yes, no rational conversation could be had with you. If no, you realize that honorary degrees are just that and to represent it as something else is a lie.

Moreover, how does Peach know Jesus is for Huckabee?

I am pretty sure Jesus endorsed my candidate; Saint Michael Jesus Archangel.

debbie0040 January 18, 2008 at 11:59 am

I am headed to South Carolina for Fred this afternoone. Was there last Saturday as well. I will support Fred as long as he stays in. If he drops out it is Mitt, McCain, Rudy, Hunter

You just keep ignoring the fact Huckabee lied about his fiscal record and the Dumond commutation.

http://www.arkansasleader.com/2007/12/editorialspure-fiction-from-rollins.html

http://www.arktimes.com/Articles/ArticleViewer.aspx?ArticleID=154e1aad-fd18-4efd-8d80-b5dab8559419

debbie0040 January 18, 2008 at 12:18 pm

I left off Paul. They all would get my vote before the Huckster would

debbie0040 January 18, 2008 at 12:21 pm

Group push polls against Thompson, McCain

http://www.letfreedomringblog.com/?p=2401

Mike Huckabee’s Ties to Common Sense Issues

Yesterday, Common Sense Issues got caught on tape push-polling South Carolina. This morning, I decided to check into them so I started with their website. Here’s what I found on their About page:

Common Sense Issues is a 501(c)(4) social welfare, grassroots lobbying organization, comprised of individuals dedicated to educating and informing citizens in an in-depth manner about public policy issues. We encourage citizens to seek ways to work together to encourage opinion leaders and public officials to approach America’s problems using basic common sense principles. We seek solutions to public policy problems and issues that mirror the God-given common sense of the American people.

That’s a crock. Based on this report from South Carolina, their goal is to smear any candidate not named Huckabee:

Among the people receiving the push polling calls was a county co-chairman of former Sen. Fred Thompson’s campaign.

Jason Goings, the Aiken County co-chairman for Thompson, said the call he received started by asking him if he was a Republican who planned to vote in Saturday’s primary and then asked whom he supported. After he hit the button for Thompson, a voice highlighted Huckabee’s position against abortion and said Thompson worked as a lawyer for a lobbying firm that protected abortion rights.

The call also attacked Thompson, a former Tennessee senator and actor, on same-sex marriage, illegal immigration and taxes.

Let’s hope South Carolinians take their anger at Common Sense Issues out on Gov. Huckabee. To say that Common Sense Issues is a sleazy operation is understatement.

Here’s some more information on Common Sense Issues:

An organizer for Mike Huckabee supporters in southern Tennessee and northern Georgia made a large donation to the group that has been sending out hundreds of thousands of automated telephone calls to voters in South Carolina attacking Huckabee’s opponents for the Republican nomination for president.

Common Sense Issues Inc. portrays itself as an independent political organization and Huckabee’s campaign denied any involvement with the group and disavowed its tactics, which have included millions of phone calls in Iowa, New Hampshire, Michigan and Nevada.

Mark West of Ooltewah, Tenn., near Chattanooga, gave a total of $48,500 to Common Sense Issues Inc., according to Federal Election Commission records. West and his wife, Lori, also gave the maximum of $2,300 each to Huckabee’s presidential primary campaign.

And West is the organizer of the Chattanooga Mike Huckabee supporters meet-up group and the northern Georgia meet-up group as well. Huckabee has no formal state organizations in either state, according to his campaign Web site, but supporters are encouraged to click on a link that takes them to the online meet-up groups in their community, including West’s two groups.

It’ll next to impossible for Huckabee to distance himself from the Wests now that that’s public. this isn’t just an unknown contributor to Huckabee. This is a Huckabee campaign insider. He’s also paying for alot of the push-polling that’s going on.

Davis said Common Sense Issues is not affiliated with Huckabee and does not coordinate with his campaign. He said his group backs the former governor because of his views on issues including a strong defense and cutting taxes.

“The folks who have been critical of our phone calls generally are supporting Mike Huckabee’s opponents. They criticize the fact that the calls are happening, but there has not been criticism of the fact that the information we provide is factual,” he said.

Factual? Technically, that might be true. What isn’t difficult is saying that the statements on the public record are deceptive at best. It’s time that the Huckabee campaign apologized to Sen. Thompson and Sen. McCain. As I said here, Davis’ statement that they’re supporting Huckabee because of “his views on issues including a strong defense and cutting taxes” didn’t pass the laugh test:

That’s laughable. Why would this organization tell South Carolinians that Fred Thompson supported “partial birth abortion” if they’re now saying that they’re “backing Huckabee because of his views on issues including a strong defense and cutting taxes”?

It’s one thing to have Democrats pull this type of crap. That’s expected. Having a Republican pull this is totally unacceptable. It’s time voters shut down the Huckabee campaign. He’s a disgrace to Christians and Republicans.

Jace Walden January 18, 2008 at 1:14 pm

You are the cutest blogger … well you and Clayton.

I’m glad someone’s noticed. ;) Just kidding. Actually, I have to assume you’re joking.

Rugby,

GOPeach and I aren’t “officially” an item. I have a girlfriend and I’m pretty sure she’s married. That’s not to say that if I knew that NO ONE would ever find out…

rugby_fan January 18, 2008 at 1:22 pm

You are pretty sure your girlfriend is married?

Jace Walden January 18, 2008 at 1:28 pm

I’m pretty sure GOPeach is married.

Icarus January 18, 2008 at 1:31 pm

Jace,

Take some advice from someone who knows these things,

Don’t try dating your married girlfriend and married GOPeach at the same time.

There are way, way too many people involved for that to end well.

IndyInjun January 18, 2008 at 2:04 pm

Suspected here is that the age difference is too great. Jace is a LOT older than Peach.

Jace, Dr. Paul won;t run third party because ballot access would cost the campaign $150 million (their estimate.)

Ron Paul has ignited a movement that is not going away and that will be fanned by the monstrous financial imbalances unleashed by the two party hacks. Too, the Iraq ‘surge’ is unsustainable and Pakistan, a country Paul warned about in 2002 is spinning out of control. We have squandered a couple of $trillion in an unnecessary war, while the real safe harbor for terror received our aid. The history that this was sheer lunacy vindicates Dr. Paul and we who tried to save America.

Maybe a Hackabee Presidency is just what those seeking it deserve.

The folks paying attention don’t. Many are leaving the USA for good reason. Hackabee as POTUS makes the logic even more compelling.

The people ultimately hold the power and the vast majority use this power based upon age, looks, depth of voice, race, or other irrelevant criteria.

I am hearing it over here. The church crowd is for Huckabee because he was a Baptist preacher – END OF STORY, END OF THOUGHT.

One wants to ask since when has being antiabortion trumped being a liar, deceiver and a crook?

rugby_fan January 18, 2008 at 2:12 pm

Icarus:

I have found that dating a married girlfriend and a married GNPeach is actually quite manageable.

IndyInjun January 18, 2008 at 2:52 pm

Yeah, but you enjoy rugby……………………….

John Konop January 18, 2008 at 2:52 pm

Indy is right about Iraq!

Ailing GIs deployed to war zones

DP-Fort Carson sent soldiers who were not medically fit to war zones last month to meet “deployable strength” goals, according to e-mails obtained by The Denver Post.

One e-mail, written Jan. 3 by the surgeon for Fort Carson’s 3rd Brigade Combat Team, says: “We have been having issues reaching deployable strength, and thus have been taking along some borderline soldiers who we would otherwise have left behind for continued treatment.”

Capt. Scot Tebo’s e-mail was, in part, a reference to Master Sgt. Denny Nelson, a 19-year Army veteran, who was sent overseas last month despite doctors’ orders that he not run, jump or carry more than 20 pounds for three months because of a severe foot injury.

Nelson took the medical report to the Soldier Readiness Process, or SRP, site on Fort Carson, where health-care professionals recommended Nelson stay home.

The soldier, who has a Bronze Star and is a member of the Mountain Post’s Audie Murphy Chapter, was sent to Kuwait on Dec. 29.

Nelson says he was one of at least 52 soldiers deployed who should not have been, and a veterans group says the military is endangering soldiers to meet its goals.

UPDATE

Army Chief Of Staff: “The Surge Has Sucked All Of The Flexibility Out Of The System”

HP-Defense Secretary Robert Gates has said he hopes to see the U.S. military presence fall below 130,000 by the end of 2008, a position shared by many senior Pentagon commanders who worry the high troop levels in Iraq are causing growing manpower strains on the army.

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/ailing-gis-deployed-to-war-zones

rugby_fan January 18, 2008 at 5:34 pm

And what, exactly, are you trying to imply Indy?

That Ruggers are a marauding lot of drunken hedonists?

Quite frankly sir, I am a little offended by that suggestion.

We like to think of ourselves as a lot of marauding drunk heathens with little to no regard for societal norms.

Honestly, we are 70 or so comments away from breaking the record. Let us not lose our focus now!

As I do like a clever turn of phrase, especially in verse, thought I might as well pass this on.

Fred Thompson was huffin’ and puffin’,
Like Reagan he said he’s a tough ‘un.
They said “Fred you are…”
“like a bright shiny star.”
But the old goat amounted to nuffin’.

Ron Paul is a Doctor from Texas
who sees how the government vexes.
From the president’s lying
about FBI spying
to their “cover your asses” reflexes.

drjay January 18, 2008 at 5:36 pm

31-17

IndyInjun January 18, 2008 at 5:51 pm

Doc,

Inflicting pain and suffering is not necessary….even if it is fun.

I remember a painful day in 1974 in Sanford Stadium. Pepper Rodgers was the coach across the way. It was mid-40’s, windy, and raining. Despite it all, the Techies were rockin in the rain.

34-14.

Ugh…….a. (He was drier, warmer and happier than I.)

Back to topic, Rich Lowery wrote a good column on why Hackabee won’t win.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/01/huck_hoax_why_he_wont_break_ou.html

Bill Simon January 18, 2008 at 7:28 pm

EVEN Mike Huckabee considers John McCain to be the BEST conservative:

Bill Simon January 18, 2008 at 7:29 pm

Oops. Here’s the YouTube link of Huckabee:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xadOKIuaKLw&eurl

Bill Simon January 18, 2008 at 7:34 pm

I imagine the full name of the “Jesus” who endorsed Huckabee is named “Jesus Horatio Gomez.” :-)

GOPeach January 18, 2008 at 8:25 pm

Nope! ((((((((((BUZZZZZ))))))))))))))

Wrong answer Bill!

It was JESUS the Jewish Guy you should find out more about.

Icarus January 18, 2008 at 8:37 pm

Come on Peach, I’ve got to get to Kroger before the blizzard sets in.

Do you consider giraffe meat kosher or not?

Romegaguy January 18, 2008 at 9:16 pm

Who would’ve thought that Konop would link to a blog that nobody reads?

GOPeach January 19, 2008 at 12:01 am

Icarus –

Giraffe is in deed kosher and you are right – nobody eats it because they must know where on the neck to slaughter it.

And…. there is not giraffe meat at Kroger – so get to the store before you get stuck in the storm!! Ya hear?

GOPeach January 19, 2008 at 1:24 am

n a new McClatchy-MSNBC poll, McCain is leading the ex-Arkansas governor 27% to 25%. Mitt Romney, the former governor of Massachusetts and the winner of the Michigan primary, trails both McCain and Huckabee with 15% while ex-Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson is pulling in 13%.

HUCKABEE PEOPLE … CALL these HQ’s to see how you can help!!!!!

The Midlands and State Headquarters are located at 1722 Main Street, Ste. 104 in Columbia, SC. You can contact our Columbia office at: 803.733.5510

The Lowcountry Headquarters are located at 8310 Rivers Avenue in N. Charleston, SC. Our Charleston office can be reached at: 843.576.2534

The Upstate Headquarters are located at 101-A Regency Commons in Greer, SC. The phone number for the Greer office is: 864.469.0270

GOPeach January 19, 2008 at 1:28 am

We CAN DO it Ya’ll!!!!!

H U C K A B E L I E V E !!!!

Holly January 19, 2008 at 11:16 am

I cannot believe I just read as many comments as I did. (Granted, I skimmed quite a few, but still. . .)

Who did Gresham and Joe endorse? Anyone?

Icarus January 19, 2008 at 11:33 am

Holly,

You’ve read through 475 comments, ranging from Peach’s brand preference for “crazy”, Debbie’s alter ego, Jace’s preference for dating married women, fried squirrel, kosher giraffe, three recipies for crow, IndyInjun’s addiction to Nyquil, Rugby’s eternal damnation because of Catholic schooling, Jesus’s various cars, One time that Tech actually beat UGA 33 years ago, 33-17, at least one posting of “the badger song”, and an accusation that one of the Republican candidates has a gas problem.

And you want to skip all of that and ask a question that’s on topic? Please.

GOPeach January 19, 2008 at 12:48 pm

Icarus-

LOL – ONLY ON PEACH PUNDIT!

What an wonderful synopsis! Kudos!

GOPeach January 19, 2008 at 12:51 pm

What is the longest thread on Peach Pundit? Does anyone know that? Have we gone over that yet?

rugby_fan January 19, 2008 at 1:01 pm

Peach;

The longest thread was 544 comments on the Cobb GOP Chair race, of which, you contributed some 250 under GOPeach, and another 1oo or so under various monikers.

To be honest, I am a little disappointed in your output here.

albert January 19, 2008 at 1:48 pm

and an accusation that one of the Republican candidates has a gas problem..

Yeah, got that right. Make it two.

GOPeach January 19, 2008 at 2:30 pm

Rubgy!

Oh yeah! I remember that!

Albert –

We all have gas problems – $3 a gallon -

Romegaguy January 19, 2008 at 3:33 pm

Jace I would think her husband would be happy to get rid of her

joe January 19, 2008 at 4:04 pm

Icarus and GOPeach,

You are both sick. I would never even consider eating my giraffe. He is just like one of the family. I bet you both eat dog and cat too.

Disgusting!

rugby_fan January 19, 2008 at 5:38 pm

Well Icarus is a Georgia Bulldog and what do they say? Its a dog eat dog world?

Icarus January 19, 2008 at 5:40 pm

Rugby,

Care to wager that Jace is currently teaching GOPeach the proper way to kill a giraffe?

Joe,

let’s hope for everyone’s sake that he’s not doing it at your house.

GOPeach January 19, 2008 at 5:48 pm

Giraffe Love …. can’t see myself being that hungry.

http://www.genkizenki.net/images/apsbisd_BABY_GIRAFFE_005JT.jpg

Romegaguy January 19, 2008 at 9:25 pm

AP and CNN projecting Huckabee to be the first loser in South Carolina; McCain the winner

Romegaguy January 19, 2008 at 9:25 pm

God truly answers prayers

Bill Simon January 19, 2008 at 10:17 pm

Hmmm…wonder what is going to happen in Georgia on Feb. 5?

Maurice Atkinson January 19, 2008 at 10:53 pm

We’re looking real good, but who knows. Interestingly enough, as much dirt as was thrown at Huckabee and McCain this week, McCain had twice as many votes as the third place and Huckabee nearly twice as many votes.

Those darn liberals!

I was watching Fox News this afternoon. After a week of Rush, Hannity and Debbie saying these two candidates were liberal, Carl Cameron said something like, there’s nothing liberal about the Republican field of candidates. Its humorous how we brand these folks.

IndyInjun January 19, 2008 at 11:26 pm

Outside of Dr. Paul, there is not too much CONSERVATIVE about the rest of the gang, all of whom are HUGE government people and bigger spenders.

Carl Cameron is a GOP promoting hack who would not know a real conservative if he saw one.

The GOP is heading full speed ahead into a much-deserved wipe-out.

Maurice Atkinson January 19, 2008 at 11:58 pm

Not being rude, but why is it that he can’t get above 5 or 6% in the polls?

From what I’ve seen and listened to, folks like his economic policies, but the fringe element makes people turn of the lights.

The next President is going to by default have to adopt some conservative principles. The runaway spending and mounting debt is going to force us into more than a recession.

IndyInjun January 20, 2008 at 12:15 am

Maurice,

I would say that the majority of folks are not conservatives either, hence the fact that the GOP is now a party of socialists and the Dems are approaching communism.

My take on our impending doom, which is buttressed by the majority clamoring for “stimulous” money to be created out of thin air, is that the masses will NOT flock to the smaller government, return-to-Constitution, and sound money positions of Ron Paul, but will jump on board the big government train of folks like the other GOP candidates and Ms. Clinton.

As for Paul’s low %, he got ridiculed all over by the MSM, he is 72 years old, he has a high voice, and too many in the GOP establishment don’t want reform.

The way one looks and his mannerisms are ultimately greater determinants of success than having real principles and real thought. This has been born out many times.

Your guy ain’t gonna win either, but at least mine had real principles, not the rantings of a false prophet.

We both could probably agree that a Mark Sanford, Jim DeMint, or a Tom Coburn would be infinitely better POTUS candidates than either Ron Paul or Mike Huckabee.

Alas they are not running.

Icarus January 20, 2008 at 12:23 am

“As for Paul’s low %, he got ridiculed all over by the MSM, he is 72 years old, he has a high voice, and too many in the GOP establishment don’t want reform.”

Let’s continue to conveniently leave out the fact that he’s a bigot and anti-semite. Unless you consider that part of his positives.

http://redstate.com/stories/elections/2008/republicans_to_ron_paul_seriously_get_lost

DoubleDawg3 January 20, 2008 at 12:47 am

No offense to the Ron Paul people out there, but I’m contributing some of it to the fact that his supporters that I know and others I have met, have divisive personalities and only like to criticize every other candidate rather than spend time discussing their own candidates positives.

Dr. Paul himself has not been one to throw darts, that I have seen, but his supporters certainly are…they’re quick to criticize anyone and everyone not named “Ron Paul.” Oh yeah, and a few of them I know think they’re the only “real” political supporters in the US today, b/c they’re supporting the “only” candidate with “real principles” – ha. There’s clearly a reason why Ron Paul’s campaign is a joke… he’s viewed as “fringe” and his supporters don’t do anything to help him in that category. Also, as to why Paul’s campaign hasn’t taken off…look at reasons why the Libertarian party hasn’t taken off, I’d say there’s a lot of similar reasons, considering almost every Paul supporter I know is a Libertarian or at least a Libertarian leaning Republican.

Can’t wait to see the response this generates…the Paul supporters are certainly not one to hold back commenting on a political blog (geez, maybe if they spent as much time actually doing grassroots campaigning as they did writing on blogs and voting in every online poll known to man, they might be the “Mike Huckabee Success Story” of 2008!)

McCain – Huckabee in 2008 (Now THAT is a ticket that can beat Hillary or Obama).

GOPeach January 20, 2008 at 2:10 am

I think McCain would be great on foreign affairs and Huckabee awesome on domestic. He could learn under McCain and then he could become president in 2012.

Anyway… I will still be supporting him as long as he runs!

Hey check out http://www.NumbersUSA.com
Huckabee is PRAISED!!!

GOPeach January 20, 2008 at 2:15 am

Gov. HUCKABEE get’s a call from God. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yj_okz7ZwI

Sonny is on the stage too… this is cute!

joe January 20, 2008 at 8:31 am

“We both could probably agree that a Mark Sanford, Jim DeMint, or a Tom Coburn would be infinitely better POTUS candidates than either Ron Paul or Mike Huckabee.”

Can we even hope for a brokered convention?

John Konop January 20, 2008 at 8:36 am

DoubleDawg3,

I agree with you that many Ron Paul supporters are aggressive. In fairness the GOP establishment spit in the face of Ron Paul as they did with Ross Perot. And as you know for every action there is reaction.

The real question Republicans should ask themselves can they win without Ron Paul supporters. Also does GOP have room for traditional conservatives anymore?

SamTeasley January 20, 2008 at 9:25 am

Congratulations to John McCain. I am proud of Mike Huckabee, he was very gracious in defeat last night and stayed around to talk with supporters for quite some time.

I have found him over and over again to be an extremely genuince and thoughtful man. It is disappointing that he didn’t win. I know this seems to set up McCain to win the nomination, but 4 months ago, people were saying that he should get out, Thompson was going to go head to head with Giuliani.

Just two weeks ago, Mitt was said to be done, but he is certainly alive. I personally think that McCain’s victory last night not only dealt a blow to Huckabee, but to Romney and Giuliani as well.

rugby_fan January 20, 2008 at 10:07 am

Wow, Mike Huckabee doesn’t even have enough support to win a primary in a state filled with Evangelicals.

Allegedly Evangelicals made up 60% of the primary.

GOPeach?

Holly January 20, 2008 at 10:43 am

I’m an evangelical – same denomination as Mike Huckabee. I’m not voting for him because I feel there are better candidates.

As to Ron Paul, I think you all know that I’ve got a bit of a soft spot for this camp because I am a libertarian-leaning Republican. Here’s my take (from someone who has worked for a few “GOP imposters” in my time) on why Ron Paul’s voice gets drowned out. I’ll do my best not to upset anyone, but I can’t promise. I will not attack other candidates in my post, promise. :-)

1. The establishment GOP has a spending problem. We’re all aware of it. Most of us hear about it in the form of “earmarks”, but that’s really like trying to save a sinking cruise liner with one pail. Controlling spending doesn’t happen at the appropriations level. The levels of spending are already set – by the Budget Committee. The appropriators decide where to spend the money. Ron Paul is one of the few members of the entire Congress that understands this and is willing to say it. Everyone else runs around tossing out the label of “pork projects” because it sounds good, but they do nothing to add to the level of spending that the Budget Committee has already set. Georgia Republicans should be proud to note that Phil Gingrey is another one. He gets almost no press for this, but on every spending bill I’ve seen, he introduces amendments to cut the entire budget by between 1% and 5%. Sadly, they’re always voted down. Republicans who are not for real reform are a bit scared of Ron Paul because they already know that he’ll be heavy-handed with that veto pen and the government gravy train would come to a virtual stand-still. But on the up side, he understands that the entire process has to be reigned in.

2. Ron Paul does attract “the fringe” because of some of his non-establishment beliefs. He also puts out the party’s dirty laundry for all the world to see. Lots of Republicans respond negatively to that, and often quite angrily. Why is that? Well. . . it’s hard to take the truth. I, for one, know I’m a lot more hot-headed when someone says something that’s true about myself that I don’t like rather than when it’s something that’s untrue. Most people are like that, I believe. They don’t like hearing that our past actions as a country set into motion the events that eventually led to 9/11. Most of them place Ron Paul as a “blame America” guy, and the first time I heard him, I thought the same. But then I started listening to him during debates, and a lot of what he was saying actually had merit, even when I didn’t want it to. But my point of bringing this up is that a) establishment Republicans don’t support him because he points out our faults and b) “fringe” people are fed up with the establishment because they know that the two parties are sadly becoming more interested in posturing than they are in doing things to benefit the country.

I’ll write more when I think of more. Can’t wait to hear what other people think on the topic!

rugby_fan January 20, 2008 at 11:08 am

As Icarus alluded to, if you want people’s thoughts on the topic, look elsewhere.

Icarus January 20, 2008 at 11:33 am

Rugby,

That sounds mean. Holly’s cool. She’s a believer. Give her a few more years and another CD10 race or two, and she’ll be just as cynical as us.

IndyInjun January 20, 2008 at 11:48 am

Icarus: Regurgitating RedState has no validity. Dr. Paul very successfully addressed these claims early on and they are dredged up in the same manner as some of the absurd attacks on Obama. I support eliminated aid to Israel, along WITH THE ARABS. It doesn’t make me or Paul “antisemitic”, just fair.

DD3: Your candidate is a liberal and belongs in the Dem Party as FRED! told him in the SC Debate. As for REAL CONSERVATISM go look up the Contract with America and the last GOP platform and get back to me on how many of the others fit it. You also must have missed my listing of preferred candidates who bridge the divide, which does not include Ron Paul.

Holly: You did an excellent job of summing up the problem with the GOP establishment. I support Dr. Paul despite some aspects of his campaign that I find absurd – like eliminating the income tax and the IRS altogether. However, on cutting government, restoring the Constitution, ending a misguided war that weakened USA capability to deal with REAL terrorists in Pakistan, and restoring sound money, Dr. Paul really captured me.

Analytically we are here – The Indies and fiscal conservatives gave McCain, who the GOP base cannot stand, frontrunner status. The GOP socon base is lined up behind Hackabee, who the Indies and Fiscal Conservatives cannot stand. Everyone else, mostly folks wanting a moderate or those liking one who “looks and sounds Presidential” are behind Romney.

We will end up with Romney vs. Hillary, two candidates not liked by majorities of their parties, just not totally detested.

It will take strong, principled leadership to get us out of the financial mess we are in, but the majorities don’t want it.

Sometimes the pain must become excruciating for folks to modify their behavior and act responsibly again. The signs are all over the place that we are about to find out whether American’s under duress find their roots in the Constitution, limited government, and freedom or whether they seek even BIGGER government. Right now it looks like the latter is true with conservatism DEAD and the choices we have being between the GOP socialist party and the Dem communist party.

Most folks do not waste their time with politics. I think I am on the verge of joining them.

debbie0040 January 20, 2008 at 11:52 am

I worked the past two week ends in Greenville, SC for Thompson. I can tell you that Thompson supporters would not have voted for Huckbee if Thompson were not in the race. They would mostly go to Romney and a few to McCain. Thompson voters vote for Thompson because they believe he is the most conservative.

They are taken by by Huckabee’s overtly religious overtones in his campaign and his fiscal liberal record and his record on illegal immigration. Thompson’s supporters look more at record not rhetoric like Huckabee supporters do.

Huckabee supporters were caught putting flyers on windshields on cars at Thompson’s Friday night rally. These flyers accused Thompson of being a baby killer. When they were caught putting out the flyers, they admitted they were Huckabee supporters. Then there were the push poll phone calls a group associated with Huckabee made..

Did anyone hear that blurb on Fox News that the Huckabee campaign blamed McCain supporter Ralph Reed for some flyers put on care windshields about Mike Huckabee’s fiscal liberalism?

Many Thompson supporters from all over the US were here in Greenville helping out Thompson. We watched the returns together and all cheered very loudly and applauded when it was realized that Huckabee had lost.

The fact Huckabee is saying that had Thompson not been in, he would have won South Carolina is ridiculous.

Huckabee can not appeal to voters outside of the evangelicals and that is not enough to win. Huckabee had to win South Carolina in order to have a chance to win. Huckabee could not win a state where 60% of the voters are evangelicals. McCain got 26% of the evangelical vote. Huckabee got something like 56%. The difference between Iowa and South Carolina is that a lot of evangelicals in South Carolina look at both record and rhetoric.

Thompson is the best choice for President but has proven not to be the best candidate..

I think that ultimately the race will come down to Romney and McCain….

Icarus January 20, 2008 at 11:57 am

“Most folks do not waste their time with politics. I think I am on the verge of joining them.”

I wish you all the best in your future endeavors.

IndyInjun January 20, 2008 at 12:14 pm

Ha – You fakes and impostors only wish……Hell hath no fury like a conservative betrayed.

Pummeling the likes of the deplorable Saxby Chambliss with his sorry record is more fun than I ever imagined.

Icarus January 20, 2008 at 12:18 pm

It’s a little early for the Nyquil today, Indy. But do what you have to to keep warm.

John Konop January 20, 2008 at 2:22 pm

Holly

That was a great post I agree with much of what you wrote!

Maurice Atkinson January 20, 2008 at 2:59 pm

“””I worked the past two week ends in Greenville, SC for Thompson. I can tell you that Thompson supporters would not have voted for Huckbee if Thompson were not in the race.”””

So you’re the blame of Thompson’s poor showing…. Debbie, please visit Florida. We could also use you in Georgia….

debbie0040 January 20, 2008 at 3:47 pm

GOPeach kept bragging about how well the Huckster would do in South Carolina and even bragged about him winning big. Peach keep on bragging about Huckabee… Brag even more. Huckabee is competing for VP now. He has no chance to win the nomination after South Carolina..

Huckabee should have won South Carolina but he was stopped. If I had anything to do with pulling votes away from Huckabee , then I am very happy about that.

It is now all about stopping Huckabee…

IndyInjun January 20, 2008 at 5:30 pm

Funny, when this campaign started, I figured the GOP would be down to Romney by March.

Everything else is just noise.

debbie0040 January 20, 2008 at 5:38 pm

Indy, I think you may be right.

John Konop January 20, 2008 at 6:21 pm

Debbie

FROM YAHOO

….Thompson’s presence in the South Carolina primary hurt Huckabee’s chances, said his senior adviser and fellow Arkansas Republican, former U.S. Senator Tim Hutchinson. Both candidates competed for the support of evangelical voters.

“He peeled away too many votes from us,” Hutchinson said. “We just couldn’t overcome that.”….

From Rasmussen Report

McCain’s lead grew as Fred Thompson chipped away at Huckabee’s support. …

The facts are the facts Debbie.

albert January 20, 2008 at 6:29 pm

debbie stupid is as stupid does… dork

Romegaguy January 20, 2008 at 6:32 pm

Here’s a fact for you John… Hutchinson is spinning after his candidate the Huckster couldnt deliver the big win they thought they had. So instead of saying “Gee we really suck and most people dont like us” Hutchinson comes up with “it’s all Thompson’s fault.”

John Konop January 20, 2008 at 6:45 pm

Rome

Do you think Huthinson works for Rasmussen?

ConservativeCaucus January 20, 2008 at 6:57 pm

Debbie,

You very well may accomplish your goal of stopping Huckabee and get McCain’s pathway to citizenship as your reward.

Maurice Atkinson January 20, 2008 at 8:02 pm

Rome, it wasn’t a win, however it wasn’t a sloppy second either. Between the two of them they garnered 63% of the vote. Even Huckabee nearly doubled the votes of the third.

We definitely needed or wanted South Carolina, but we move forward. Florid, as from what I’ve seen is an absolute toss up. There are four candidates that are in a virtual plus or minus. It will come down to turnout, as it always does. My guess, Florida will go to who works it.

Huckabee cannot be dismissed in Florida, Georgia, Texas, Alabama, Arkansas and even California.

We’ll certainly know in a couple of weeks what the landscape looks like. I personally like the drama. Its pretty healthy and great for the Party, if they’re willing to tap into the campaigns. These are tremendous assets for the fall.

This is going to be work. Our candidate knew it from the beginning, however, he definitely has tapped into the pulse of our Party and is delivering an effective message. I agree with what Fred Thompson said a week ago. This race is for the heart and soul of our Party. We’ve seen what some groups have done with it, I would like to see it go to the fiscal/social conservatives.

ConservativeCaucus January 20, 2008 at 8:11 pm

Foxnews reports:

“Thompson, the former Tennessee senator and “Law & Order” star, returned home Saturday from South Carolina to consult with his mom about his plans.”

Romegaguy January 20, 2008 at 8:53 pm

John,

Have I EVER said that Hutchinson works for Rasmussen? Your first quote is from Yahoo which quotes Hutchinson who works for Huckabee. Your “fact” is not a fact but a spin. Kinda like when you say that experts say that you would have beaten Price in a General election. Whenever you are asked to name names or site an expert for this you conveniently dont answer the question. Glad the voters, including some of my relatives, were able to see through your campaign and returned a good man to Congress.

If I need to use smaller words for you to fully grasp their meaning, please let me know.

John Konop January 20, 2008 at 9:12 pm

Rome

Hutchinson gave an opinion that matched a poll from Rasmussen. I did know that I had to help you put the two concepts together. I am sorry. I thought you could process information beyond a talking point. If you need further help I will do my best to help you.

As far as the constant personal attacks against me by you really do not bother me, I just consider the source.

If you think a 9 trillion dollar debt is good government that is your right. If you agree with the pork filled highway bill, energy Bill, Farm bill, failed No Child left Behind……like Tom Price that is your right.

It is Republicans like you is why many may not show up in 08!

rugby_fan January 20, 2008 at 9:16 pm

20 comments away from the record…

ReaganRepublican January 20, 2008 at 10:50 pm

McCain/huckabee ticket would stop Billary. Probably the only ticket that would…..

Jace Walden January 21, 2008 at 5:52 am

18

Jace Walden January 21, 2008 at 5:52 am

Seventeen

Jace Walden January 21, 2008 at 5:53 am

16

Jace Walden January 21, 2008 at 5:53 am

Fifteen

Jace Walden January 21, 2008 at 5:53 am

14

C’mon people, I can’t do this all on my own. We’re almost there.

Jace Walden January 21, 2008 at 5:54 am

13

Jace Walden January 21, 2008 at 5:54 am

12

Bill Simon January 21, 2008 at 9:52 am

Albert,

Is life really like a box of chocolates? :-)

Holly January 21, 2008 at 10:02 am

Debbie, were you only in Greenville? You’d get a very different opinion from voters in Inglis’s district than you would from the other areas. . .

rugby_fan January 21, 2008 at 10:24 am

535

rugby_fan January 21, 2008 at 10:26 am

536

rugby_fan January 21, 2008 at 10:27 am

537

Icarus January 21, 2008 at 10:31 am

So Close, and yet, so far.

rugby_fan January 21, 2008 at 10:34 am

539

rugby_fan January 21, 2008 at 10:34 am

540

Romegaguy January 21, 2008 at 10:34 am

Hutchinson was spinning. Does Yahoo say Hutchinson was quoting Rasmussen? Whenever I read your posts John I too consider the source.

Icarus January 21, 2008 at 10:35 am

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rugby_fan January 21, 2008 at 10:35 am

542, if anyone writes comment 545, my wrath will be unleashed.

rugby_fan January 21, 2008 at 10:36 am

544

rugby_fan January 21, 2008 at 10:36 am

That’s it!

A new Peach Pundit Record!

rugby_fan January 21, 2008 at 10:38 am

I’d like to thank debbie and GOPeach for all their hard work helping to make this dream of mine come true.

Now that we have seen 545 reached, why not shoot for 1,000!

With your hard work, thoughts, and prayers, anything can be done!

John Konop January 21, 2008 at 10:41 am

Romegaguy

I will help you with this concept. If you take two different sources and they come to the same conclusion this is a solid indicator that validates the idea. In the real world a successful business man uses data like this to make decisions. I hope this helps you understand the concept of deductive reasoning.

albert January 21, 2008 at 10:42 am

Bill, God I hope not I’d have some really bad gas.

Icarus January 21, 2008 at 10:43 am

Saxby Chambliss is a personal hero of mine.

The FairTax will save the world.

Ron Paul is an anti-semetic bigot.

The GOP leadership would be fine with just a little bit of tweaking.

(There Rugby, I did my part. That should be good for 20-30 posts from IndyInjun, as well)

John Konop January 21, 2008 at 10:51 am

Icarus

A “personal hero” (Saxby) that supported every pork bill that put us 9 trillion in the red and growing?

Jace Walden January 21, 2008 at 10:51 am

Georgia Tech is the fifth best football program in the state of Georgia:

(1) University of Georgia
(2) Valdosta State
(3) Georgia Southern
(4) Lowndes County High School
(5) Georgia Technical Institute

31-17.

Romegaguy January 21, 2008 at 10:54 am

So you are saying Hutchinson wasnt spinning his candidate’s loss, just like you spin your dramatic loss by saying that some experts say you almost won or you would win in a General Election matchup…

I call it a coincidence that Hutchinson’s spin matches the unsourced Rasmussen quote. I could probably search the internet and find views that dont match Hutchinson’s spin but I will let you do that since you seem to have lots of free time.

After you find some, please feel free to link it to your blog. Oh but then nobody would read it would they?

John Konop January 21, 2008 at 11:05 am

Rome

If you did research other than tell what you feel you would find most agree Thompson hurt Huckabee in SC. Also it is no secrete that McCain and Thompson are very close friends and Thompson did endorse McCain against Bush.

Are you getting the concept of deductive reasoning yet?

drjay January 21, 2008 at 11:08 am

are you implying that thompson was/is a stalking horse for mccain??

if so the troops haven’t gotten the message–ajc insider guys report EJ has jumped the thompson ship into the romney yacht…

Jace Walden January 21, 2008 at 11:14 am

Rome,

Depending upon how much stock you put into the ramblings of the mainstream media, I can see where John is getting his information from. It was largely reported as fact (both on Fox and CNN) during the election coverage that around 20% of Huckabee’s evangelical “base” had ended up voting for Thompson.

Like I said, whether or not you believe that is completely dependant on whether or not you trust the MSM, which has been about as consistent as John Kerry or Mitt Romney.

I think both of you are partly right. The loss of evangelicals most likely hurt Huckabee. I’m not sure if it hurt him enough to sway the election to McCain or not…I’m pretty sure McCain would have won anyway, but it would have been much closer.

That’s all. You two can go back to comparing your penis sizes.

rugby_fan January 21, 2008 at 11:17 am

556 comments and Peach Pundit still can not get Paul Broun or Erick sworn in, nor is anyone (other than myself of course) thinking of the children.

Most influential blog in Georgia my left foot.

Jace Walden January 21, 2008 at 11:22 am

Rugby,

As one who is knowledgeable about these types of things, what are your thoughts on the current Presidential race? I mean, does it really matter who wins? Because what is honestly the likelyhood of that man or woman being sworn in?

Could it be that this “race” is just a farce?

Holly January 21, 2008 at 12:03 pm

nor is anyone (other than myself of course) thinking of the children.

Nancy Pelosi will smite you for saying that.

rugby_fan January 21, 2008 at 12:09 pm

Well Holly, if she isn’t sworn in (which I have a hunch is the case), I do not fear her.

Jace, I’ve often thought that 544 officials in Washington will say one day, “this was all a big lie, we’ve never been sworn in. Paul Broun made it known to the wider public and there is no use keeping it a secret.”

Interesting that I would bring this theory to light in a thread where we were trying to surpass 544 comments. That, to me, seems a little more than coincidental.

rugby_fan January 21, 2008 at 12:13 pm

BREAKING NEWS:

I just put a phone call into Speaker Pelosi and Harry Reid’s office, as well as the White House, and asked if they had been sworn in.

All three times the other end immediately hung up on me.

Whoa…

In the spirit of GOPeach:

WAKE UP P E O P L E!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

albert January 21, 2008 at 12:24 pm

I think someone ate a box of exlax. Those don’t count as chocolate….

albert January 21, 2008 at 12:24 pm

got gas?

Icarus January 21, 2008 at 12:35 pm

Jace,

Another interesting tidbit about our friends at the North Avenue Trade School:

I was told this weekend that you don’t have to be a Tech student to be a member of their marching band. Apparently, at a school filled with nerds, they don’t have enough talented nerds to even fill the band. Very, very sad.

Holly January 21, 2008 at 1:13 pm

The best question is why were any of them in the office today?

But since I’ve been scolded for trying to stay on topic, I’ll ask my pressing question of the day:

I am going to buy a new coffeemaker. I want one of the single-cup deals, and I’m leaning toward the Tassimo. Do any of y’all have one? If so, do you like it? I’ve heard good things, and I like that it’ll make lattes and cappucinos as well as the normal coffees, teas, and hot chocolates that the other one-cup machines can make. Thoughts?

Bill Simon January 21, 2008 at 3:40 pm

Jace & Icarus,

You guys reeeeeeeeally have some hard-ons for GT grads.

ConservativeCaucus January 21, 2008 at 4:08 pm

(Repeat post from yesterday that I was hoping to get an answer to)

Debbie,

You very well may accomplish your goal of stopping Huckabee and get McCain’s pathway to citizenship as your reward.

Icarus January 21, 2008 at 4:11 pm

No Bill, Nerds don’t do it for me. Sorry.

Icarus January 21, 2008 at 4:16 pm

Holly,

An excellent question, and one much more appropriate for the quality discussion going on in this thread.

I don’t know anything about coffee makers, but like most people here, that one make me hesitate for one minute about offering my opinion.

I think the FairTax will solve your coffee problem. If it doesn’t, Saxby Chambliss will in the new farm bill. Some will argue that you can’t have quality coffee again until all exisitng coffee producers are purged from the system. Only then can we have true conservative coffee.

I’m pretty sure that if GOPeach recommends a coffee maker, Debbie won’t like that one.

And why are you trying to make coffee anyway when you still haven’t made me cookies?

whitemalevoters January 21, 2008 at 4:20 pm

ICARUS,

YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT!!! ALL OF THESE detractors WHO COME OUT AGAINST SAXBY AND THE FAIRTAX ARE REALLY CHARLATANS. SAXBY CHAMBLISS SUPPORTS true TAX REFORM. JOHN LINDER, NEAL BOORTZ, AND SAXBY CHAMBLISS SHOULD RUN (in some combination) FOR PRESIDENT AND VP. SAXBY’S A true FISCAL CONSERVATIVE WHO BELIEVES IN SAVING MONEY AND LOWERING TAXES.

ALL OF THOSE WHO HATE THE FAIR TAX ARE TOO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND TAXES AND ECONOMIKS. PLANE AND SIMPLE.

Bill Simon January 21, 2008 at 4:45 pm

John Linder and Neal Boortz are wholly unqualified to run for President/VP.

Their names (“John” and “Neal”) are too common. You need to have a one-name brand to run for office.

If you mention “Saxby”, “Sonny”, “Mitt”, “Rudy, “Hillary”, or “Fred”, people won’t need to ask you “which one?”

whitemalevoters January 21, 2008 at 4:49 pm

BILL,

YOU ARE WRONG!!!!!!!!!

JOHN LINDER AND NEAL BOORTZ ARE THE only FISCAL CONSERVATIVES LEFT IN THE RACE. THEY SUPPORT THE fairTAX FOR THE LOVE OF THE CHRIST!!!

WE need TO ELECT real FISCAL CONSERVATIVES TO OFFICE.

LINDER/BOORTZ
LINDER/HUCKABEE
LINDER/CHAMBLISS

BOORTZ/LINDER
BOORTZ/HUCKABEE
BOORTZ/CHAMBLISS

HUCKABEE/BOORTZ
HUCKABEE/LINDER
HUCKABEE/CHAMBLISS

CHAMBLISS/BOORTZ
CHAMBLISS/LINDER
CHAMBLISS/HUCKABEE

any OF THESE COMBINATIONS WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO FISCAL CONSERVATIVES AND INDEPENDENTS.

IndyInjun January 21, 2008 at 5:31 pm

WMV…..hahahahahaha…….and I suppose Hillary is a nun, too.

drjay January 21, 2008 at 8:20 pm

rugby–i did enjoy watching your fsu hockey team defeat both tech and fla this weekend to win the thrasher cup down in sav’h they performed admirably–scoring the winnigngoal against the gators w/ 3 secs left in ot…

Holly January 21, 2008 at 10:33 pm

Stupid farm bill. Hopefully it loses those crazy tax hikes in Conference.

Holly January 21, 2008 at 10:34 pm

On another note, how many of you have lobbied your rep / senator to co-sponsor legislation to maintain that manure is not a hazardous waste, hm?

Icarus January 21, 2008 at 10:57 pm

Holly,

If it’s one subject I’m sure our State Reps are experts on, it is manure. I’ll trust they’ll do the right thing.

As for your Tassimo machine, it looks pretty nifty. My concern would be, how readily available will the “T-discs” be that produce the coffee? Since it’s a new product to the market, and a bar-code on the disc is required to make coffee, you’re limiting yourself to one supplier for your morning cup. What happens if the product fails in the market? You’re stuck with a coffee maker that makes nothing. Or even if it is a successful product, seems like you’re at the company’s mercy if they decide to change prices.

Icarus January 22, 2008 at 7:06 pm

I leave you people alone all day and you just let this thread die? Shame. Shame. Shame.

Jace Walden January 23, 2008 at 10:16 am

31-17

Holly January 23, 2008 at 10:47 pm

Good points, Icarus.

And that bill is a federal bill. There could be a state version, too, though I’m not sure.

Bill Simon January 23, 2008 at 11:49 pm

Holly, it ain’t the machine that’s the most imporant…it’s the coffee.

Icarus January 25, 2008 at 5:15 pm

Can’t believe this thread has just been left to die.

It was so carefully nurtured.

And, of course, well fertilized by Debbie and Peach.

(sadness…)

rugby fan January 25, 2008 at 5:19 pm

The dream of 1000 comments still lives Icarus.

“It” burns brightly in our hearts, much like the dream of getting either Erick or Paul Broun sworn in (I’ve come to realize having both sworn in will never happen. One, maybe.).

Icarus January 25, 2008 at 5:20 pm

Well, if we have to settle for one, which should it be?

Icarus January 25, 2008 at 5:21 pm

Perhaps we should let Duncan Hunter decide?

Holly January 25, 2008 at 5:22 pm

Duncan Hines?

Icarus January 25, 2008 at 5:23 pm

A good cook such as yourself has probably never cheated and used a mix, Holly.

rugby fan January 25, 2008 at 5:24 pm

Have we established who Duncan Hunter is? If there is confusion about his existence, I am a little weary of assigning him the task of choosing.

If we knew who the “real Mitt Romney” was, maybe he could be trusted.

Icarus January 25, 2008 at 5:26 pm

Honestly, I’m really more concerned about what Holly decided about her coffee maker than getting anyone sworn in this weekend.

rugby fan January 25, 2008 at 5:28 pm

Now that you mention it, that is the question everyone wants to know the answer to.

Doug Deal January 25, 2008 at 5:29 pm

Rugby,

How many comments are we away from 1000?

(Just doing my part).

Icarus January 25, 2008 at 5:30 pm

Doug,

Icarus January 25, 2008 at 5:31 pm

If you were really doing your part,

Icarus January 25, 2008 at 5:31 pm

(just doing my part).

Icarus January 25, 2008 at 5:32 pm

would have been a separate comment.

Doug Deal January 25, 2008 at 5:36 pm

Icky,

I was just trying to not look too much like GOPeach.

So, are we there yet?

Icarus January 25, 2008 at 5:38 pm

No

Icarus January 25, 2008 at 5:38 pm

Not Yet.

rugby fan January 25, 2008 at 5:39 pm

I believe

rugby fan January 25, 2008 at 5:40 pm

Another 400 comments

Icarus January 25, 2008 at 5:41 pm

600!

rugby fan January 25, 2008 at 5:41 pm

will do it.

Doug Deal January 25, 2008 at 5:49 pm

Sadly,

I have no internet or cable at home due to living in a sub-division that the Cox monolpoly refuses to serve. Therefore, as I have to rely on dispatches as they arrive on horseback for the remainder of the weekend as my only source of news and entertainment, I will not be able to assist in this any further.

Holly January 26, 2008 at 10:44 am

Only if Bisquick counts. Can’t make Aunt Lou’s sausage rolls without it!

And I’m postponing the coffeemaker decision until next month. (i.e., I’m going to buy myself a birthday present.)

Icarus January 26, 2008 at 10:47 am

Bisquick is not a mix. I’m pretty sure GA law requires it as a staple in any good Southerner’s home.

Holly January 26, 2008 at 10:49 am

Thank all. I’m safe.

rugby fan January 26, 2008 at 10:59 am

I thoroughly disagree.

http://www.americangoodies.nl/catalog/images/untitled%202.bmp

The word “mix” is clearly visible on the package. Ergo, its a mix.

Sorry Holly.

rugby fan January 26, 2008 at 11:00 am

With this, we are at 607 comments.

Think of the irony if GOPeach is the 666th comment.

And if I am the 666th, that is just to be expected.

Icarus January 26, 2008 at 11:13 am

Rugby,

I’m sure you don’t have experience with church “covered dish” dinner etiquette, but it’s fine, upstanding, steel-magnolia blue hairs that decide what is a mix (betty crocker, duncan hines), and what is merely a secret ingredient (bisquick).

Holly January 26, 2008 at 11:42 am

Rugby makes a valid point. . .

rugby fan January 26, 2008 at 11:46 am

If there is one person I didn’t want to discredit on Peach Pundit, it is Holly.

Many apologies.

Bill Simon January 26, 2008 at 11:52 am

Heck, my California-based sister-in-law uses Bisquick as her secret ingredient.

I think it even has its own abbreviation on the Periodic Table of Elements, Bq I think is its abbreviation.

Holly January 26, 2008 at 11:52 am

Sigh. It’s all right. I don’t use cookie mix, though.

debbie0040 January 26, 2008 at 11:54 am

Who is going to win the Super Bowl? I say the Giants will pull an upset.

Holly January 26, 2008 at 12:02 pm

That’s the spirit, Debbie!

Icarus January 26, 2008 at 12:06 pm

So you’re saying the Pats have won thier last Super Bowl?

drjay January 26, 2008 at 1:17 pm

can we confirn either the giants or pats are actually in the super bowl?

rugby fan January 26, 2008 at 1:52 pm

You know drjay, I don’t know if we can.

Icarus January 26, 2008 at 8:16 pm

Well, at least these kids didn’t shoot their eye out:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,325845,00.html

Maurice Atkinson January 26, 2008 at 9:13 pm

HOLY COW!!! STOP THE PRESSES…. I agree with Debbie on something… Go Giants.

rugby fan January 27, 2008 at 12:43 am

I’ve often thought a lamp is an appropriate recovery gift.

Now, Icarus, you seem like a sophisticated man, what sort of lamp should one send these children?

Maurice Atkinson January 27, 2008 at 12:50 am
Icarus January 27, 2008 at 10:04 am

Why Rugby,

There are many choices out there.

But assuming a lamp with a genie in it is unavailable, I think the next best choice would be a female mannequin’s leg wearing fishnet stockings.

Icarus January 28, 2008 at 12:32 am

623

rugby fan January 28, 2008 at 10:21 am

35-28, no that’s not it.

27-17, that is the one.

Icarus January 28, 2008 at 10:30 am

Do you mean 31-17, or is this another famous beatdown score?

rugby fan January 28, 2008 at 11:03 am

35-28 was the score from FSU’s “bowl game”.

27-17 was when FSU ended Boston College’s national title hopes

Icarus January 28, 2008 at 12:21 pm

Sorry, I was going to guess that’s the estimate of FSU players on scholarship that won’t be available next season because of a “testing” issue.

drjay January 28, 2008 at 12:47 pm

http://www.curryforamerica.com/

well now huck has to contend w/ this guy…

Icarus January 29, 2008 at 12:52 pm

I think we should try to guess the ingredients of Aunt Lou’s sausage rolls.

rugby fan January 29, 2008 at 1:01 pm

Sausage and rolls is my guess.

Doug Deal January 29, 2008 at 1:08 pm

rugby and Icarus,

I would have thought:

1 Aunt Lou

rugby fan January 29, 2008 at 1:16 pm

That’s why when I tried to create the recipe, it didn’t work. I forgot to pick up some Aunt Lou.

Doug Deal January 29, 2008 at 1:18 pm

rugby,

Make sure you get organicly grown free range Aunt Lou. It may sometimes be a little more gamey, but you don’t get all those preservatives and chemicals they put in the other stuff.

IndyInjun January 29, 2008 at 1:30 pm

Does Hackabee use Bisquick?

Whatever he uses, he best stock up before his 30% FAIR???tax is passed.

Icarus January 29, 2008 at 5:35 pm

Geez fellas,

We kind of have an unwritten rule around here that Holly is the golden child and cannot be unmercifully picked on.

While there are no rules that I’m aware of about Aunt Lou, I’m sure she’s a fine woman who makes excellent sausage rolls.

And Rugby, I’m thinking you’re really going to have to bring your “A” game if you’re going to try and pick up Aunt Lou.

Icarus January 30, 2008 at 9:56 am

How many states has Huckabee won now? The premise of this thread appears to be holding.

Jace Walden January 30, 2008 at 9:59 am

There is a chance that after Super Tuesday, this thread may actually come full circle, meaning the discussion will actually revert back to the threads intention.

drjay January 30, 2008 at 10:02 am

i still think huck has a decent shot at winning arkansas and maybe places like okla and mizzou where he has been campaigning–but we’ll know next tuesday–does buzz get and award for posting the record holding comment thread??

Bill Simon January 30, 2008 at 10:04 am

One state. Iowa.

Icarus January 30, 2008 at 10:05 am

“does buzz get and award for posting the record holding comment thread??”

– Peach may give him his gym shorts back.

Grits January 30, 2008 at 10:07 am

I like what Martha had to say about the primary vote this morning. She said one should vote their convictions in the primary and then decide the best candidate in the general. I agree and most folks in Ga seem to agree according to the polls.
Mike Huckabee is a man of character, well grounded, with the right values – Faith, Family, Freedom!

Bill Simon January 30, 2008 at 10:25 am

If “freedom” means having one religion dictate to the rest of the inhabitants of a country how they should worship, then, yes, Huckabee is your man.

Icarus January 30, 2008 at 10:28 am

Come on Bill,

Just go ahead and convert so we don’t have to kill you once we get our freedom loving conservative government in place.

Doug Deal January 30, 2008 at 10:28 am

This thread has no chance at 1000. You people don’t have the guts.

Icarus January 30, 2008 at 10:29 am

No, but we do have cable TV, country boy.

rugby fan January 30, 2008 at 10:29 am

“There is a chance that after Super Tuesday, this thread may actually come full circle, meaning the discussion will actually revert back to the threads intention.”

Why on Earth, would anyone want that?

rugby fan January 30, 2008 at 10:33 am

“This thread has no chance at 1000. You people don’t have the guts.”

Oh how dare you.

How dare you.

That is offensive on so many levels.

Icarus January 30, 2008 at 10:33 am

On how many levels exactly, Rugby?

rugby fan January 30, 2008 at 10:36 am

Around 28.3 I’d say.

rugby fan January 30, 2008 at 10:37 am

Some would say 650.

IndyInjun January 30, 2008 at 10:38 am

Did Hackabee take all the Bisquick out of the governor’s mansion along with the furniture when he left?

If we elect another Arkansan, they best bolt everything down in the White House.

Bush only stole elections.

Bill Simon January 30, 2008 at 10:48 am

Indy,

Now you’re going from just sounding silly to being a whiny twitty Dem.

It was proven by your much-heralded media pals that they proved upon recounts they took that Bush won, fair and square.

jsm January 30, 2008 at 10:50 am

Bush only stole elections.

This lie is so old. Will people ever tire of telling it?

rugby fan January 30, 2008 at 10:53 am

No.

654

Jace Walden January 30, 2008 at 10:54 am

Indy,

If you want to talk about wanting the GOP to die off, I’m with you. If you want to talk about teaching the GOP a “lesson” for ignoring fiscal conservatives and independents, I’m with you.

But when you say stuff like “Bush only stole elections”, all you’re doing is helping perpetuate this myth that all Ron Paul supporters are believers in the “Black Helicopters” and the “NWO”.

You’re a better man than that.

drjay January 30, 2008 at 10:54 am

i for one do want to see this thread reach 1000 comments and am hereby boycotting it and urge all decent and honorable posters on this site to join me in doing the same!

Icarus January 30, 2008 at 10:55 am

I’m with you Dr. Jay

Icarus January 30, 2008 at 10:56 am

Let the boycott commence.

Icarus January 30, 2008 at 10:57 am

No more decent or honorable bloggers allowed here.

rugby fan January 30, 2008 at 10:58 am

“and urge all decent and honorable posters on this site”

That excludes me.

Wonderful!

Icarus January 30, 2008 at 10:58 am

He’re our official boycott video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6IonAo3izw

rugby fan January 30, 2008 at 10:59 am

661

rugby fan January 30, 2008 at 11:00 am

663

Icarus January 30, 2008 at 11:00 am

You know Rugby,

It’s about time someone cleared out the riff-raff around here. Those high minded decent folks just bring the mood down.

rugby fan January 30, 2008 at 11:01 am

665

Icarus January 30, 2008 at 11:01 am

Somehow I doubt we cleared many people out by only excluding the decent and honorable posters, though.

rugby fan January 30, 2008 at 11:02 am

666!

HAHA!

I feel like Putty.

Icarus January 30, 2008 at 11:03 am

Crap, Can’t exclude the decent and honorable posters, that would have to include Holly.

rugby fan January 30, 2008 at 11:03 am

Well Icarus you are officially kicked off this thread for posting the 666th comment.

Icarus January 30, 2008 at 11:04 am

Oh, man, I think I just stole the mark of the beast.

Icarus January 30, 2008 at 11:05 am

O.K., I’ll just sit back and wait for Holly to end the boycott, so we can catch up on Aunt Lou.

IndyInjun January 30, 2008 at 11:10 am

LOL,

Of the objective is to get to 1000, no hyperbole is too great.

This medium allows for no inflection or tone….so y’all cannot tell that I am joking, poking, and stoking the flames to 1000.

If the idiot stole the election in 2000, I helped him do it.

665?

rugby fan January 30, 2008 at 11:13 am

Indy:

Your number is incorrect.

Do try to keep up.

673

IndyInjun January 30, 2008 at 11:13 am

Y’all are too fast.

Seriously, what is it about Bill, Hill, and Hack that make them feel ENTITLED to executive mansion furnishings?

I suppose there is no FAIR???tax on thievery.

IndyInjun January 30, 2008 at 11:20 am

Bill S.

Whiny, twitty Dems generally have not voted 95% GOP for a lifetime nor have they donated many $thousands over the last 10 years to GOP candidates.

Labeling and name calling is fine, I suppose. As far as the GOP is concerned there is one descriptor that fits me to a ‘T”.

G-O-N-E

But alas not forgotten. All the money encouraged them to keep hounding me for more. Right now I am content to fill their collection plate with insults.

Icarus January 30, 2008 at 11:22 am

Rugby,

comment number 541 has been disqualified, according to the East German judge.

You are now awarded comment #666.

Doug Deal January 30, 2008 at 12:02 pm

Ickster,

I may not have cable, but at least I have extra expensive, lower bandwidth, premium wireless internet.

Anyway, did anyone catch what the count is up to? And why does UGA suck so much?

Bill Simon January 30, 2008 at 2:10 pm

The real Mark of The Beast (as you folks believe one exists) was found last year to actually be the number 616.

Get with the freaking program if you’re going to proclaim the cult you’re in.

Doug Deal January 30, 2008 at 2:14 pm

Bill,

If you have ever seen the scene in the Omen when Damian finds the numbers on his scalp, maybe they are actually meant to be viewed in the miror, and the numbers are actually 999 (or 919).

Icarus January 30, 2008 at 2:15 pm

Dr. Jay had the 616th comment.

Jace Walden January 30, 2008 at 2:17 pm

Doug,

I heard that Georgia Technical Institute [sic] might end up a preseason favorite to take the title of “5th Best Football Program in the State of Georgia” this year…I’ll be pulling for you.

Icarus January 30, 2008 at 2:17 pm

But after disqualifying comment 541, once again, Rugby has the 616th comment.

For once, Bill may be on to something.

Icarus January 30, 2008 at 2:18 pm

Jace,

Colquitt County hired that dude From MTV this morning.

I think they just pushed Tech out of the state rankings.

Icarus January 30, 2008 at 2:20 pm

For Doug, and the rest of you without cable Tee-Vee,

MTV is a cable network that shows 14-16 year olds in “reality” shows that are getting a lot more action than you probably did in college.

Doug Deal January 30, 2008 at 2:22 pm

Jace,

I think you failed to count intramural teams. But dyed-in-the-wool Tech fans like you can only overblow your teams relevance. 5th best, my butt!

Arf Arf Arf Arf, Go DAWGZ!!!!!!

Doug Deal January 30, 2008 at 2:25 pm

Icarus,

What in the tarnashun is TeeVee? Is that that blistery causing thing the doc’ tested me fer? Or are you talking about that new fangled mystical magic picture box?

Jace Walden January 30, 2008 at 2:26 pm

Doug,

Here is list (sorted by prestige and talent from the top down, with the teams at the top of the list having the most prestige and talent):

1) University of Georgia
2) Georgia Southern
3) Valdosta State
4) Lowndes County High School/Roswell High School
5) Georgia Technical Institute [sic]

How am I wrong here?

Jace Walden January 30, 2008 at 2:28 pm

But then again, I haven’t seen Animal House, so take my rather astute observations with a grain of salt….as I’m sure you already do.

Doug Deal January 30, 2008 at 2:35 pm

There you go again, you Tech Nerd ™. Putting your beloved moths in the top five. I can name at least 15 high school gym class teams better than your Jack-its.

Go DAWGZZZES! Yipe Yipe Yipe Yipe!

Icarus January 30, 2008 at 2:46 pm

Doug,

I think you should have your well water tested.

IndyInjun January 30, 2008 at 2:55 pm

Ic-

DD’s water comes from a fire hydrant – the outside of it, preferably after a UGA visit.

Ah, the sweet nectar of a victorious team is intoxicating to the Red and Black Faithful…..what’s a taste of UGA salt in our water anyway?

Me – UGA Class of ’74 and you best not forget it, although it might be fading a bit here.

It was in the days before Arkansans started stealing executive office furniture and there still was a railroad trestle at the east end of Sanford Stadium. Ahhh………………………..

Doug Deal January 30, 2008 at 2:55 pm

I don’t need a well. I just collect the water that drips out of the old rusted-out steam train refilling tank down the road.

It has a distinctive rainbow coloring, and a taste that can’t be beat.

Anyway, like I said before, you guys lack the necessary essentials to make it to 1000. The drive has already sputtered.

Icarus January 30, 2008 at 2:59 pm

Indy,

That’s pretty good. Nice to see you break out some new material. The “Saxby Chambliss is a communist whore” stuff is getting old. At least mix it up a bit.

Icarus January 30, 2008 at 3:01 pm

Doug,

We will make it, and before Huckabee wins his next primary (which will really be his first, since Iowa was a caucus).

Once Rugby realizes he was the 666th poster after all, he’ll get us over the finish line.

Doug Deal January 30, 2008 at 3:52 pm

A quick poll.

Who thinks we will make it to 1000?

rugby fan January 30, 2008 at 3:56 pm

“How am I wrong here?”

You had a tie for fourth, ergo, GT should be sixth.

Whether or not I can claim the 616th post or 666th as my own, or neither of them at all, I believe I am the sole reason this thread is what it is today.

And for that, we should be thankful.

rugby fan January 30, 2008 at 3:58 pm

Doug:

I do.

More importantly, all of Peach Pundit does. Because Peach Pundit and her readers dare to dream. And we will not be deterred.

Icarus January 30, 2008 at 4:04 pm

Daddy always said, if you’re going to dream, dream big.

And 1,000 is like the biggest number in the whole wide world.

Doug Deal January 30, 2008 at 4:04 pm

Anyone for a game of hangman?

——– — — — —- ——-?

— Just doing my small part

Doug Deal January 30, 2008 at 4:07 pm

Well that didn’t work. Erick has new fangled mess up what you write tools installed. it should be.

======== === === === ==== =======?

Icarus January 30, 2008 at 4:14 pm

E

rugby fan January 30, 2008 at 4:20 pm

R

Doug Deal January 30, 2008 at 4:31 pm

======ee === === === ==== =r===r=?

Good guesses!

Icarus January 30, 2008 at 5:03 pm

I’d like to solve the puzzle Pat (Doug):

Huckabee has won his last primary?

Bill Simon January 30, 2008 at 5:03 pm

Jace,

Let’s see if you have missed any other movies you should have seen. Do you know the one movie that matches all of these quotes:

“Ready Willard and Simka on Catch 3 & 4…”

“Bullsh*t 10 minutes. This thing will be over in 2. Get on it!”

Jace Walden January 30, 2008 at 5:07 pm

Bill,

As embarrassing as it is to say this, especially since I could google those quotes and give you an answer, I don’t know.

Bill Simon January 30, 2008 at 5:09 pm

Hm. Ever seen Top Gun?

Doug Deal January 30, 2008 at 5:50 pm

Icarus,

How did you get to be so smart. You are precisely correct.

Anyway, what are you going to spend your winnings on in our prize showcase, or will it all go on a Tiffany’s gift certificate?

IndyInjun January 30, 2008 at 6:08 pm

Has Taxabee pleaded for his last tax increase?

McCain and Romney both branded the FAIR????tax for the joke that it is and won’t want its champion as a running mate.

Boortz, Linder, the FAIR???taxers, and the corporate financiers hiding behind the 501 (c)(4) con jobbers will soon be back to the drawing board and looking for another idiot front man.

Icarus January 30, 2008 at 6:11 pm

I’d like to spend it on the macrame hoop earrings please. That will leave me with just enough left over for a bottle of Nyquil for my buddy Indy.

Jace Walden January 31, 2008 at 9:25 am

I have seen Top Gun, is that where those quotes come from?

Doug Deal January 31, 2008 at 9:34 am

So how are the polls in Georgia? Will Huckabee win his next last primary?

Icarus January 31, 2008 at 9:41 am

I’m thinking not Doug,

I got a voter registration card at my house for a Mr. Bull Moose. My mom says she got one at her house too. Best friend, yep, him too. neighbor across the street, check. Dentist, check. Cashier at Publix, check.

I’m thinking there’s going to be some voter fraud of major proportions here.

Doug Deal January 31, 2008 at 9:44 am

I wonder who Bull Moose supports? He really likes to keep that information to himself.

Doug Deal January 31, 2008 at 9:49 am

Icarus,

Oh, also. What is the status on the race? Is it currently a marathon or a sprint?

Also, any ideas who the one consistant conservative in this race is?

Jace Walden January 31, 2008 at 9:54 am

I think Bull Moose mentioned supporting Romney in a previous thread. Something about Ensuring GOP Defeat and the need to support Romney.

rugby fan January 31, 2008 at 9:54 am

Hangman anyone?

————

Jace Walden January 31, 2008 at 9:56 am

R

rugby fan January 31, 2008 at 9:58 am

Good guess.

I think one is only allowed a certain number of dashes. From now on, a dash and * mean the same thing.

—-****–r-

Bill Simon January 31, 2008 at 9:59 am

Yes, Jace. It was towards the end of the movie in the heat of the F-14 vs. Mig fight. Those were uttered by the commander in the control room of the carrier.

rugby fan January 31, 2008 at 10:00 am

There are 12 letters in this word, the 11th is “r”

Bill Simon January 31, 2008 at 10:03 am

Wonder where the King of Ca-Ca is these days with his ego that lambasted Bull Moose for his ealry support of MCain?

I am talking, of course, about GaWire.

Doug Deal January 31, 2008 at 10:03 am

rugby,
Q

Jace,
But that doesn’t answer the questions as to whether it is still a marathon. I am beginning to think it is a high-hurdles relay.

rugby fan January 31, 2008 at 10:05 am

0

That is a head.

**********r*

Q

Doug Deal January 31, 2008 at 10:07 am

Bill,

I do not think there is a issue with lambasting someone for early support for a candidate with such little respect for the 1st amendment and border security.

With the Rudy endorsement, McCain probably has a stranglehold on the nomination, since he will win all the winner-take-all states, but he is by no means a great candidate.

Icarus January 31, 2008 at 10:07 am

Who won the pool on the “when will McCain drop out of the race”?

Doug Deal January 31, 2008 at 10:08 am

Can I buy a vowel, Pat (rugby)?

E

Icarus January 31, 2008 at 10:08 am

A

Doug Deal January 31, 2008 at 10:09 am

Icarus,

I revise my prediction to November 4, 2008.

rugby fan January 31, 2008 at 10:09 am

e*ee******r*

0

Q

Bill Simon January 31, 2008 at 10:11 am

Doug,

McCain, for all of his faults, isn’t anything like the pathological liar that Romney is, or the non-conservative that Huckabee is.

Last night in the debate, I heard Huck clamore right off the bat that he wanted to amend the Constitution with the marriage definition amendment and the anti-abortion amendment.

Yes, Virginia, those two issues are, truly, the MOST important issues for a president to deal with…if you live in some other country besides the USA.

Icarus January 31, 2008 at 10:11 am

Jace,

Your homework for the weekend is to rent and watch the movie Stripes.

Bill Simon January 31, 2008 at 10:12 am

Doug, Part 2

WHICH part of the 1st Amendment are you referring to that you think McCain disagrees with?

Doug Deal January 31, 2008 at 10:13 am

I would like to gander a guess….

eleemosynary

rugby fan January 31, 2008 at 10:15 am

Doug:

You would be correct!

Doug Deal January 31, 2008 at 10:19 am

Icarus, in reference to your comments about Jace.

“Thats a fact, JACK!”

Bill,

I could not see last nights debacledebate due to my well publicized cable troubles. However, I agree with your assessments about the Huckster.

His support of McCain-Fiengold was the worst attack on free speach that I can remember. The most important form of free speach is that which involves elections and support of a candidate for office.

Doug Deal January 31, 2008 at 10:21 am

rugby,

I learned that word in eleemosynary
school.

Doug Deal January 31, 2008 at 10:22 am

Bill, paragraph 2 was supposed to reference McCain’t not the Huckster.

Icarus January 31, 2008 at 10:23 am

O.K., my turn:

***** *** **** ** *********?

Bill Simon January 31, 2008 at 10:25 am

Doug,

Do you blame your GOP reps who voted for McCain-Feingold as much as you blame McCain?

I’ll bet not. I’ll bet you STILL idolize your GOP members of Congress who voted for it, and continue to vote for them every single time they appear on the ballot.

rugby fan January 31, 2008 at 10:32 am

A thousand comments will be reached by Monday.

Does anyone remember what this thread was supposed to be about?

Icarus January 31, 2008 at 10:35 am

Yes, It’s a tribute to Aunt Lou, and her famous sausage rolls.

Doug Deal January 31, 2008 at 10:36 am

Bill,

I have no idolation for any currently elected US Representative, US Senator, President, Vice President, or GA Governor. Half the time I leave my vote blank for Representative, as they are running unopposed.

Anyway, those other Representatives did not chose to be the chief sponsor of the bill. Also, they did not use a campaign finance reform crusade to make cover for their own ethical problems in the Keating 5 incident.

Look at the Senate roll call vote. The Yeas on the Republican side were:

Chafee (R-RI)
Cochran (R-MS)
Collins (R-ME)
Domenici (R-NM)
Fitzgerald (R-IL)
Jeffords (R-VT)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCain (R-AZ)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Thompson (R-TN)

Other than maybe Lugar and Thompson, not exactly Senators that I respect.

Now look at the ONLY Democrats who opposed it:

Breaux (D-LA)
Hollings (D-SC)
Nelson (D-NE)

So McCain is absolutely great at working with the bad Republicans and the Democrats, but I do not side with the Republicans to elected a RINO.

Doug Deal January 31, 2008 at 10:37 am
Icarus January 31, 2008 at 10:41 am

A moment of silence please, as we remember and reflect on the horror of exactly one year ago.

The city of Boston was gripped with terror. Our silence shows our solidarity with our Patriot and Red Sox friends to the north.

I think only now, the city is beginning to rebuild, after the horror, the terror, of 20 Lite Brites bringing the evil message of “Aqua Teen, Hunger Force” to Beantown.

Doug Deal January 31, 2008 at 10:44 am

Icarus,

I remember exactly where I was when I heard about that. Absolutely chilling!

Bill Simon January 31, 2008 at 10:44 am

Thanks, Doug.

Doug Deal January 31, 2008 at 10:47 am

Bill,

Don’t get me wrong, I will support McCain in the GE, like I did GW, as he is better than the alternatives, but the Republican party better start fielding better candidates, as I, and many others, can only swallow so much of this crap.

Icarus January 31, 2008 at 10:55 am

01001001 00100000 01100001 01110011 01101011 00100000 01100001 01100111 01100001 01101001 01101110 00101100 00100000 01010111 01001000 01000101 01010010 01000101 00100000 01010100 01001000 01000101 00100000 01001000 01000101 01001100 01001100 00100000 01001001 01010011 00100000 01000100 01000101 01001101 01001111 01001110 01000010 01000101 01000011 01001011 00111111

IndyInjun January 31, 2008 at 11:04 am

Let’s not stop with McCain-Feingold. Must reading for any CONSERVATIVE are the votes on Medicare D, NCLB, and votes that doubled the funding for the department of Education.

The assault on conservatism by GOPers is not confined to McCain-Feingold.

The good news in Taxabee’s descent into irrelevancy is that the FAIR????tax is SOL for another 8 years or so.

Bill Simon January 31, 2008 at 12:01 pm

Icarus,

I see you have never heard Rush’s* song that starts with “1001001…SOS…”

’cause none of your binary streams start with a “1”.

(*NOT Rush Dimwaugh…the 3-member band named “Rush”)

Icarus January 31, 2008 at 12:18 pm

I’m a UGA boy, remember. I don’t speak binary. I had to use a translator.

Icarus January 31, 2008 at 4:25 pm

The post next to this one is about 14% of Fred! heads “living life to the fullest” every day. I wonder if that number has increased or decreased since Fred! dropped out.

joe January 31, 2008 at 4:50 pm

Icarus // Jan 31, 2008 at 10:55 am

01001001 00100000 01100001 01110011 01101011 00100000 …

I don’t think you’re allowed to say that on a blog. I understand 01000100 01000101 01001101 , but the rest needs to be cleaned up a bit.

Icarus January 31, 2008 at 4:59 pm

It’s O.K. Joe.

Jace is the only kid who hangs out here, and he can’t read binary.

Doug Deal January 31, 2008 at 5:23 pm

I have a proposed improvement on binary, that I call trinary. It’s estimated to be 50% more efficient than binary.

12002120 12010211

Icarus January 31, 2008 at 5:27 pm

I think I’m going to go with the Ronulans on this one, and insist we go back to unonary.

000000 0000000 000 0000000000000000000 000000 0000

Doug Deal January 31, 2008 at 5:29 pm

Unonary is the “gold standard” of numeric systems. The quintessential champagne of numerics.

Icarus January 31, 2008 at 5:36 pm

And will end inflation forever.

Doug Deal January 31, 2008 at 5:40 pm

Icarus,

Also, base 1 is the only constitutional system supported by the founding fathers, much better than fiat bases like 2 and 10.

Icarus January 31, 2008 at 5:45 pm

I think they were really more interested in apple pi.

Doug Deal January 31, 2008 at 5:53 pm

I hear in Alabama, apple pi is defined as 3 apples.

Doug Deal January 31, 2008 at 5:54 pm

Let me add, just like it says in the Bible.

Icarus January 31, 2008 at 7:27 pm

Where is Holly? We need an update and more info on Aunt Lou and her sausage balls.

Doug Deal January 31, 2008 at 7:43 pm

If she has sausage balls, wouldn’t that be Uncle Lou.

I told you guys that this thread would peter out well before 1000. We are strugling to even reach 800.

Without Debbie and Peach pulling some of the weight, this is hopeless.

Romegaguy January 31, 2008 at 8:33 pm

Peter Out? Are we talking about Sen Craig again?

joe January 31, 2008 at 8:58 pm

Icarus,

I have programmed in binary encoded octal. I much prefer it to binary. Trianary and unonary (which is actually nullanary) are much more cumbersome.

Icarus February 1, 2008 at 12:39 pm

Joe,

I’m betting you have some serious flashbacks involving punch cards.

Icarus February 1, 2008 at 1:11 pm

From the “Things you did not expect to learn today” department:

The British Medical Journal is upset with a candy manufacturer for changing the shape and design of their chocolate. The BMJ had been recommending their candy, “teasers”, as a device to measure men’s testicles.

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/335/7633/1287?fmr

Bill Simon February 1, 2008 at 2:36 pm

“We were recently dismayed to discover that the manufacturer has changed the shape of both these chocolates. Both are now flat bottomed (figure), and even non-specialists will notice that they bear little resemblance to testes. More disturbingly, they are no longer much use for assessing testicular volume. Only one of six paediatric endocrine specialists (comprising trainees, consultants, and specialist nurses) felt confident that they could use the new Teasers or Truffles to gauge testicular volume relative to the 8 ml cut-off which indicates that puberty is proceeding satisfactorily.2″

I don’t think anyone should use the word “cut-off” in anything describing testicle-related.

IndyInjun February 1, 2008 at 3:04 pm

Testicles have anything at all to do with Hackabee?

Rumor has it that he won’t win another primary.

Could this be true?

Icarus February 1, 2008 at 3:07 pm

He was in that movie where he said, “life is like a box of chocolates”, wasn’t he?

IndyInjun February 1, 2008 at 3:14 pm

His box of chocolates stayed in the blazing sun too long, or what that his tax reform plan?

IndyInjun February 1, 2008 at 3:17 pm

This page takes longer to load than a muzzleloader after a miss on a trophy buck who is still standing there…….

Icarus February 1, 2008 at 3:20 pm

Almost forgot something important:

Happy Birthday Holly, wherever you are!

Icarus February 1, 2008 at 3:28 pm

End of week Haiku
contest is now underway,
Submit entries here.

Icarus February 1, 2008 at 3:43 pm

Speaker Richardson
Fails to get his way; heads roll.
Dems back in charge soon.

Jace Walden February 1, 2008 at 3:47 pm

My submission:

01000111 01101100 01100101 01101110 01101110 00100000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01100111 01101111 01101001 01101110 01100111 00100000 01100100 01101111 01110111 01101110 00001101 00001010 01001000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01110100 01100001 01111000 00100000 01101001 01100100 01100101 01100001 00100000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01100001 00100000 01110011 01101000 01100001 01101101 00001101 00001010 01010011 01101111 01101111 01101110 01100101 01110010 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01100010 01100101 01110100 01110100 01100101 01110010

Icarus February 1, 2008 at 3:49 pm

Excellent Jace,

and I agree, the sooner the better.

Jace Walden February 1, 2008 at 3:52 pm

IndyInjun would have wanted to pass this one along:

01010011 01100101 01101110 01100001 01110100 01101111 01110010 00100000 01000011 01101000 01100001 01101101 01100010 01101100 01101001 01110011 01110011 00001101 00001010 01001001 01110011 00100000 01101010 01110101 01110011 01110100 00100000 01100001 00100000 01100010 01101001 01100111 00100000 01100011 01101000 01100001 01110010 01101100 01100001 01110100 01100001 01101110 00001101 00001010 01000110 01100001 01101100 01110011 01100101 00100000 01000011 01101111 01101110 01110011 01100101 01110010 01110110 01100001 01110100 01101001 01110110 01100101

Icarus February 1, 2008 at 3:55 pm

Erick’s in D.C.,
Hears Paul Brown has been sworn in.
Lies. Lies. Lies. Lies. Lies.

Icarus February 1, 2008 at 3:57 pm

I think Indy normally says fraud, but charlatan work for the needed syllables.

IndyInjun February 1, 2008 at 4:02 pm

Add 200 to the post count…..I put up that many smoke signals.

IndyInjun February 1, 2008 at 4:03 pm

Fraudsters.

Charlatans.

My favorite – Impostors.

Icarus February 1, 2008 at 4:05 pm

He is still out there,
withholding his wit from us.
I miss Demonbeck.