Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney said Friday that Mike Huckabee has won his last primary.
Pretty bold statement from Mitt. I suppose he could be right, but Romney may not win anymore either. The race is so fluid I don’t think anyone can say anything for certain. I imagine Romney’s comment will energize Huckabee’s supporters…sort of political bulletin board fodder.
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SamTeasley // Jan 11, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Unbelievable. Who says that? I understand he might think it, but who actually says that?
GodHatesTrash // Jan 11, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Mormons baptize the dead - now if they could just get them to vote, Mitt would have a chance…
souldrift // Jan 11, 2008 at 4:14 pm
How many times can Romney make an idiot of himself (wait..he is one already) before people stop voting for him?
SamTeasley // Jan 11, 2008 at 4:25 pm
Favorability/Unfavorability in GA:
Huckabee 70/10
McCain 61/17
Thompson 47/17
Giuliani 46/16
Romney 46/23
debbie0040 // Jan 11, 2008 at 4:29 pm
Maybe Mitt is prepared to advertise Huckabee’s true record. Or just maybe Mitt knows something and is prepared to use it….
I, for one, can’t wait to see…
debbie0040 // Jan 11, 2008 at 4:33 pm
One thing Romney isn’t, is a fool. Pretty sure statement-makes you wonder…
Until now most voters (not political junkies like us) just see the Huckabee his campaign rhetoric projects. In Iowa, those voters would have voted for anyone that proclaimed their christianity loudly regardless of their record. Other states are not like that.
Now the true RINO Huckabee will come to light…
IndyInjun // Jan 11, 2008 at 4:35 pm
Hackabee is the biggest crook I have seen in a Presidential race.
After GWB and Haggard, one would THINK that the evangels would have seen and heard enough of silk-tongued deceivers.
Some people really can be fooled all of the time.
ToddH // Jan 11, 2008 at 4:38 pm
Well, Mitt better get busy b/c according to one poll Huckaboom is leading in Michigan and is a competitive second in South Carolina. Incidentally, Mitt leads in neither.
debbie0040 // Jan 11, 2008 at 4:39 pm
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080111/D8U3TTKO0.html
O.J. in custody in Florida. Arrested for parole violation…
debbie0040 // Jan 11, 2008 at 4:41 pm
Huckabee made the top ten list for Judicial Watch as one of the most corrupt politicians in 2007. Really something his supporters can be proud of….Besides convincing people to lose weight…
debbie0040 // Jan 11, 2008 at 4:44 pm
FOXNEWS S. Carolina Debate Pulls 3.6 million viewers; Network’s highest of season…
dcraigwhite // Jan 11, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Judicial Watch has also sued Vice President Dick Cheney, as well as the Bush administration.
Fred Thompson recently made my list of ineffective campaigners who should drop out of the race given his dismal showings thus far. Despite his “tried and true” conservative record all the voters seem to be flocking to other candidates. His supporters can be proud of this and the fact that he did a good job playing Arthur Branch on Law and Order.
Get out of the race Fred. Please. Before you embarrass yourself and the few people who support you.
Still Looking // Jan 11, 2008 at 5:31 pm
I bet Romney lives to regret that statement. He’s pulled his ads from SC and Fl and putting all his eggs in Michigan, which is going to be a very difficult state for him. The economy stinks with a 7.4% unemployment - worst in the country. There are 180,000 properties in tax default in Wayne County alone. And Romney represents the managerial class in big union state.
Huckabee’s line about - people wanting to vote for somebody like they work with and not not the person that laid them off - is going to eat up Romney.
If Democrats can crossover in Michigan, McCain and Huckabee are going to have a field day. Ron Paul might get some of the “blowback” too.
ConservativeCaucus // Jan 11, 2008 at 5:38 pm
And the hits keep coming…
http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/01/irony_with_a_twist.html
debbie0040 // Jan 11, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Huckabee needs to get out before he embarrasses the Republican party and the country…..
If he and his wife opened a wedding registry at Target, even though they had been married over 30 years, so they could accept gifts over 100.00 when he was leaving the Governor’s office, imagine what he would do when he left the Whitehouse…
debbie0040 // Jan 11, 2008 at 7:02 pm
dcraigwhite, Judicial Watch also has Hillary and Obama on that list so don’t even try to allude it is a partisan hack. Typical Huckabee supporter, twisting the truth…
ConservativeCaucus // Jan 11, 2008 at 7:04 pm
Above: read Debbie doing her best to bring those unfavorables up.
dcraigwhite // Jan 11, 2008 at 7:18 pm
Debs:
How is it twisting the truth? I simply added factual information to the discussion. Judicial Watch has sued Dick Cheney, Haliburton, and the Bush Administration. How is that twisting the truth?
See, you are a master at taking bits and pieces of stories, posting them on here, all the while remaining deficient in terms of intellectual honesty. You take facts you like, that benefit your point of view, and couple them with unoriginal commentary in an effort to demean Huck.
It’s comical to read your wishful posts, all the while Mike Huckabee continues to move up in the polls. Not a regional candidate like your boy Thompson, Huck leads or runs second in virtually every state currently up for grabs. He leads Michigan (in some polls), Florida (in some polls), and SC (some polls). Go out west and find the same thing.
Fred Thompson…much ado about nothing.
I feel sorry for some of my friends who were duped by the hype of Fred! As I’ve said on many occasions, I don’t have a problem with the guy. Smart guy, strong personality, but not our best choice for POTUS.
Get out Fred! Now!
HUCKABEE - McCAIN 2008
debbie0040 // Jan 11, 2008 at 7:20 pm
CC, I am not going to stop either…
Are you denying what I posted about the gift registry?
debbie0040 // Jan 11, 2008 at 7:23 pm
The only polls that mean anything are the one on election day… South Carolina is a week away. Anything could happen…
Can’t wait to watch Mitt tear the Huckster apart in ads…
debbie0040 // Jan 11, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Dcraig, you obviously are a political neophyte. It helps the Huckster for Fred to stay in. It takes votes away from the others. If Fred were to drop out,his voters would not go to the Huckster and it is ridiculous to think they would..-
I would support Mitt, Rudy or McCain and the overwhelming majority of Fred supporters would too.
debbie0040 // Jan 11, 2008 at 7:31 pm
Dcraig, when I post something, I post the links so you can read the entire article and you know full well I do. You are the one that is being dishonest. Not the least bit surprised…
dcraigwhite // Jan 11, 2008 at 7:33 pm
Debs:
I do not deny (nor does Huck) that there were wedding registries set up at both Target and Dillards. Here’s where you were wrong, and posted a complete distortion - the registry was opened by friends of Janet Huckabee (not her or Mike) as a way for her to select things she liked at both stores. These friends were hosting a house-warming party for the former Governor and his wife, and wanted her to be able to actually get things she liked, thus the need to set up some sort of registry. My understanding is that there was no category for “House-Warming Parties”, so the friends of Ms. Huckabee simply registered it as a wedding.
Now, what you have done above, is provide a brief glimpse of a story, which, when explained, makes perfectly good sense, and shows no lapse in judgement. In typical “debs” fashion though, you chose to distort the story, your only goal being the dissemination of unfavorable information. You weren’t objective, you didn’t do the research, and you posted a story that portrayed the Huckabees in a bad light - hoping that your homeboy Fred might get a boost. Guess what? IT’S NOT WORKING.
debbie0040 // Jan 11, 2008 at 7:39 pm
And in typical Huckabee fashion, you distort the truth and put a spin on it.
http://www.swtimes.com/articles/2006/11/13/week_in_review/news/saturday/news09.txt
Huckabees Registered For Gifts
By John Lyon
Arkansas News Bureau • jlyon@arkansasnews.com
LITTLE ROCK — “Wedding” registries in the names of Gov. Mike Huckabee and his wife, Janet, have been set up at two department store chains in advance of the Huckabees’ move out of the Governor’s Mansion into a private home.
The term-limited governor leaves office in January, and friends of Janet Huckabee created the registries at Dillard’s and Target stores to help facilitate their transition to private life, Huckabee spokeswoman Alice Stewart said Friday.
The Huckabees purchased a 7,000-square-foot home in North Little Rock this year.
“Some ladies who are friends of Janet’s are giving her a housewarming party,” Stewart said.
Arkansas law prohibits public servants from accepting any gift worth more than $100, unless the gift is conferred “on account of a bona fide personal, professional or business relationship” independent of the recipient’s official status.
“Items costing more than $100 which are given to public servants to show appreciation for their efforts (i.e., to reward them for doing their job) or to reward them for past or future action are prohibited under this rule,” the law states.
Gifts from relatives are not prohibited, nor are wedding or engagement gifts.
The Huckabees married in 1974. They entered into a covenant marriage in February 2005.
State law also requires public servants to report all gifts they receive of $100 value or more on their annual Statement of Financial Interest.
Stewart declined to say if Huckabee was sure that accepting pricey gifts as a result of the registries would be legal or whether he plans to report any valuable gifts they receive.
The Dillard’s registry on the department store’s Web site states, “Welcome to the wedding registry of: Janet and Michael Huckabee.” The registry lists the “event date” as Nov. 14.
Items listed on the registry range in price from $14 for saucers to $300 for a KitchenAid mixer.
The Target registry, which also can be viewed online, states, “Welcome to Janet Huckabee and Michael Huckabee’s Club Wedd Registry.” Target lists the “event date” as Nov. 16.
Items on the Target registry range in price from $2 for napkins and place mats to $250 for a 12-piece Kitchen Essentials cookware set. The registry also notes that Target gift cards can be purchased for amounts up to $1,000.
Questions have been raised in the past over Gov. Huckabee’s acceptance of gifts. In 1998, a lawsuit filed by Arthur Kerns and Don Venhaus of Little Rock and Peggy Tucker of Jonesboro alleged that Huckabee misused the expense account of the Governor’s Mansion and illegally accepted as a gift about $70,000 worth of furniture.
The claim of misused funds was dropped after Huckabee agreed to a policy change; the claim of illegal gifts was dropped after Huckabee said the furniture belonged to the state, not to him personally.
Kerns said Friday he is not surprised about the gift registries.
“He’s using the trappings of the governor’s office to get everything he can, and the sad part of it is, I honestly believe he does not see anything wrong with this,” said Kerns, a retired lawyer for the Department of Veterans Affairs. “It’s like ‘ethics’ is a foreign word to him.”
Kerns said it did not matter that Huckabee is leaving office.
“That’s like me telling my wife, ‘I’m planning on filing for a divorce, and it’ll probably be effective in 90 days, so my having an affair right now does not violate the oath of our marriage, right?’” Kerns said.
Kevin Crass, a Little Rock lawyer who represented Huckabee in a number of legal disputes with the Ethics Commission, did not immediately return a message left at his office Friday.
State Sen. Gilbert Baker, R-Conway, the state Republican Party chairman, said he was not aware of the registries but saw no problem with them.
Baker said housewarming gifts for an outgoing governor “have nothing to do with bribery,” which he said the law against gifts is intended to prevent.
“I’m glad you let me know about it so I can get online and buy him something,” the senator said.
Telephone calls to the Arkansas Ethics Commission office went unanswered Friday and the commission’s executive director, Graham Sloan, did not return a message left on his personal telephone seeking comment.
debbie0040 // Jan 11, 2008 at 7:42 pm
Notice this section that deals with the law:
“Items costing more than $100 which are given to public servants to show appreciation for their efforts (i.e., to reward them for doing their job) or to reward them for past or future action are prohibited under this rule,” the law states.
Gifts from relatives are not prohibited, nor are wedding or engagement gifts.”
If their intentions were not to circumvent the ethics law then pray tell why they listed items they wanted in the registry in excess of the 100.00 limit.?
The Dillard’s registry on the department store’s Web site states, “Welcome to the wedding registry of: Janet and Michael Huckabee.” The registry lists the “event date” as Nov. 14.
Items listed on the registry range in price from $14 for saucers to $300 for a KitchenAid mixer.
The Target registry, which also can be viewed online, states, “Welcome to Janet Huckabee and Michael Huckabee’s Club Wedd Registry.” Target lists the “event date” as Nov. 16.
Items on the Target registry range in price from $2 for napkins and place mats to $250 for a 12-piece Kitchen Essentials cookware set. The registry also notes that Target gift cards can be purchased for amounts up to $1,000.
debbie0040 // Jan 11, 2008 at 7:44 pm
Since you accused me of posting only portions which favor my view point, I will post the entire articles.
http://www.townhall.com/blog/g/33391ddb-ed1f-4bc3-9d19-cdca6181d5d4
Wednesday, January 02, 2008
An Open Letter From An Arkansas Evangelical
Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at 5:41 PM
In the in-box:
A Plea from Arkansas: Christian Conservatives Need to Take a Closer Look at Mike Huckabee’s Record as Governor
by David Thompson
As a conservative, evangelical, politically-active father of four in Arkansas I believe it is imperative for like-minded voters to become more familiar with the Mike Huckabee that just completed 10 years as our governor. I realize it’s sometimes hard to know what to believe during a campaign, so I’ve tried to include links to published stories, with most coming from years past when the events noted were taking place.
For those who don’t know much about me, I attend a very conservative evangelical church in Central Arkansas that includes some other politically active members (past/present elected officials, lobbyists, candidates, etc), and our family currently homeschools our young children. Since 1996, I have been heavily involved in numerous Republican campaigns in Arkansas at all levels (even managing a few). I have also served as vice chairman of the Republican committee in Arkansas’ largest county. Yet I don’t know of a single person in these circles who is supporting Huckabee for President - although I do know many that are definitely not supporting him. Of course, this is anecdotal evidence, but consider that Huckabee just finished serving 10 years as our governor (and I am sure there are many Republicans in Arkansas who are supporting him - I just don’t know them). The truth is, most conservatives in Arkansas had written him off long before his Presidential bid.
That said, here are 7 key reasons I cannot in good conscience support Mike Huckabee as the Republican nominee for President. This is based on his record here and is not a personal attack - I cannot speak for his or anybody’s motives. This list is not the result of intense research - it’s based on what I know and have experienced first-hand as a politically-active conservative Arkansan. It’s a list I could have given you 6 months or even 2 years ago. And I am not attempting to echo or give validity to any criticism he is now receiving nationally (and I don’t think ALL of it is fair). This is the Mike Huckabee we know.
1) Governor Huckabee did lasting damage to the Republican Party and conservative movement in Arkansas.
It’s hard to go after Democrats with a conservative message when your Republican Governor is out front releasing violent criminals, providing state benefits to illegals, pushing tax increases, expanding government spending and programs, and constantly walking an ethical tight-rope (more on each of these items to follow). This tied our party’s hands - many conservatives got frustrated, apathy set in, and some quit the fight. In addition:
· Huckabee insisted on having “his people” controlling the Republican Party campaign organizations that are set up in Arkansas each election cycle. He also insisted that his guy remain as state party chairman when party leaders planned to make a change. The mismanagement and ineptness that followed was so great that the Republican Party plunged into debt and the Federal Election Commission levied the the largest fine ever against a state political party following an investigation of the 2000 and 2002 election cycles. Obviously, this set back the Republican Party of Arkansas for years.
· When Huckabee started his first full term in 1998, Arkansas had just elected a Republican Governor, Lt. Governor, U.S. Senator, and 2 Republican Congressmen. Upon his leaving office in 2007, Republicans now hold no statewide offices, have no Republicans in the U.S.Senate, and only one Republican Congressman remains.
· It was often said during Huckabee’s term that Arkansas had 3 parties: Republican Party, Democrat Party, and the Huckabee Party.
“He destroyed the conservative movement in Arkansas, and left the Republican Party in shambles.” - Phyllis Schlafly, president of the national Eagle Forum
“His support for taxes split the Republican Party, and damaged our name brand.” – Former Arkansas State Representative Randy Minton (R)
“I think if they knew [his record] it would totally de-energize them . . . his policies are just wrong.” – Former Arkansas State Senator Jim Holt’s (R) warning for conservatives around the country who think they have found their candidate in Mike Huckabee.
2) Governor Huckabee’s non-stop clemencies continually hindered the work of criminal prosecutors and miffed Republicans. The numbers are staggering - over 1,000 clemencies and commutations of criminals as governor. Most people now are familiar with his push to parole convicted rapist Wayne Dumond, who went on to rape and murder a Missouri woman less than a year after his release. But there are many more troubling facts regarding Huckabee’s pattern of releasing violent criminals. While I cannot speak for Huckabee’s motives, it seems clear that he used poor judgment and was reckless with this executive power.
· Huckabee released more criminals than the combined total of every border state to Arkansas (made up of Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Tennessee, Mississippi, and Louisiana) - even though the combined population of these states is 16 times higher than Arkansas’. He also issued more than double the clemencies of his three predecessors combined.
· In many cases, Huckabee’s actions set loose savage criminals convicted of grisly murders over the passionate objections of prosecutors and victims’ families. This American Spectator story details some of these violent cases and explains the resulting difficulties they presented prosecutors working with other victims and their families.
· Huckabee and his appointees ignored the laws on the books, including the requirement to notify victims’ families and explain the reasons for those clemencies. He said to fully explain his reasoning would cost millions of dollars and “take money away from education and Medicaid and other things.”
· A 2004 investigative article by the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette found that prisoners had a better chance of being granted clemency by Huckabee if they had a mutual acquaintance, labored at the governor’s mansion under a prisoner work program, or a minister intervened on their behalf. Prosecutors say Huckabee was more inclined to release or reduce the sentences of prisoners if he had direct contact with them or was lobbied by those close to him.
· He often refused to learn the facts of the cases (sometimes not even reading the murderer’s own confession), made no attempt to get the police/prosecutor’s case files, or even get input from the victims’ families before making his decision.
· The clemency granted to one multiple DUI offender was likely tied to large political contributions from the offender’s family, including a soft money political organization run by Huckabee’s people.
· Good summary article
“Last January, after Mississippi Gov. Ronnie Musgrove, a Democrat, lost his re-election bid, he issued 16 clemencies, and there was a huge outcry. That’s how many Huckabee averages per month.” – Arkansas Leader, (August 11, 2004)
“He seems to believe that granting clemency to murderers, rapists, drunk drivers and other convicted criminals is a part of the everyday affairs of the governor’s office rather than something that he should approach cautiously and selectively.” – Robert Herzfeld, Saline County Prosecuting Attorney during Huckabee’s tenure
“I know some of the people that Huckabee let loose have reoffended. Some of them we’ve caught and some of them we haven’t caught……I used to be able to tell the families of victims, in all good faith and candor, that it was a rare event when a governor commuted a sentence and let a murderer back out, or a rapist back out or a child molester back out. But I can’t do that anymore.” - Larry Jegley, longtime Pulaski County Prosecuting Attorney
“I felt like Huckabee had more compassion for the murderers than he ever did for the victims.” - Elaine Colclasure, co-leader of the Central Arkansas chapter of Parents of Murdered Children.
3) Governor Huckabee’s pattern was to ignore immigration laws, often in the name of Christianity.
Huckabee opposed immigration enforcement as governor on a number of fronts. Immigration enforcement groups call Huckabee’s record on immigration “a disaster” and reference him as they guy who “scares the heck” out of them.
· In 2001, Huckabee’s human services liaison Robert Trevino pushed for legislation to provide driver’s licenses for illegals. It was understood by legislators that he acted with Huckabee’s blessing.
· In 2001, Huckabee opposed a measure to require proof of citizenship to vote.
· In 2005, Huckabee supported a bill that offered illegal immigrants in-state tuition rates and made them eligible for the same merit-based scholarships to Arkansas state colleges and universities as legal citizens. The bill would have violated federal law and was not enacted by the legislature.
· In 2005, he opposed a bill that denied some state benefits to illegals and required proof of citizenship to vote (patterned after Arizona’s Prop 200 that has been successful in curtailing illegal immigration in that state). In this story, Huckabee called the measure “un-American….inflammatory….race-baiting and demagoguery.” He added that the bill “inflames those who are racist and bigots and makes them think there’s a real problem. But there’s not.” He then singled out State Senator Jim Holt, also an openly professing Christian, saying, “I drink a different kind of Jesus juice.”
· In 2005, Huckabee criticized federal agents for a recent crackdown on illegals, saying that it wasn’t fair to the innocent family members of those targeted in the operation. (No word on whether he also opposes raids on other law-breakers who might also have innocent family members affected by the fruits of their illegal activity.)
· In 2005, Huckabee promoted an “open door” policy on immigration as he addressed the League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC) national convention in Little Rock. LULAC is a left-leaning group that opposes virtually all measures of immigration enforcement.
“He was an absolute disaster on immigration as governor. Every time there was any enforcement in his state, he took the side of the illegal aliens.” - Roy Beck, president of NumbersUSA, a group that played a major role in rallying the phone calls that helped defeat this year’s Senate immigration bill.
“I would hope he could be trusted to secure the borders, but given his track record in Arkansas, I don’t see the conservative he has portrayed himself to be in Iowa.” - Jake Files, a former Arkansas state representative and current chairman of the Sebastian County Republican Party
4) Governor Huckabee was no friend to fiscal conservatives in Arkansas.
Huckabee’s record on taxes, government spending, and growing government programs was miserable. Basically, when the economy got tough, Huckabee expected families like mine to tighten our budgets in order to help state government meet its spending whims.
· In 2003, Huckabee called a special session of the legislature to push for a tax increase to make up for spending shortfalls. This led to his signing HB1039, an across the board income tax and tobacco tax increase. Huckabee even refused to consider a Republican proposal to cut spending and use general improvement funds (i.e., legislative pork) to make up for the budget shortfall. Ironically, the same day Huckabee was practically begging the Arkansas legislature to raise taxes (here’s the video), President Bush was also in Little Rock to push for his tax cut plan. (Note: When asked about this video recently, Huckabee gave a misleading response to Fox News, blaming his tax increase plea on a court order. This prompted State Representative Johnny Key, the current Republican Leader in the Arkansas House, to send out a letter correcting the accuracy of Huckabee’s statement.)
· If that weren’t enough, Huckabee called a 2nd special legislative session in 2003 to pass a nearly one-cent state sales tax increase. The measure also expanded the sales tax to include previously exempted services (for more information and context, see reason #6 below).
· During Huckabee’s term, Arkansas showed a net tax increase of $505 million, and the average Arkansan’s tax burden grew from $1,969 to $2,902. Governor Huckabee raised more taxes in 10 years in office than Bill Clinton did in his 12 years.
· During Huckabee’s 10 years as governor, state spending more than doubled (from $6.6 billion to $16.1 billion), higher education and public schools got big increases, as did social services. Meanwhile, the state added about 8,000 full-time workers to its payroll during that period, a 19% increase (according to the Bureau of Legislative Research).
· The conservative Cato Institute gave Huckabee an “F” for his final term as governor on its Fiscal Policy Report Card, saying, “Huckabee’s leadership has left taxpayers in Arkansas much worse off.” His grade was lower than 15 of the 21 Democrat Governors. His overall grade as governor was a D.
“The main reason for the drop was his insistence on raising taxes at almost every turn throughout his final term.” – Cato Institute explaining why Huckabee had dropped from a “D” to an “F” on their Fiscal Policy Report Card.
“[Huckabee] says he’s pro-family. If you’re raising taxes on the families of Arkansas, causing wives to go out and get jobs to make ends meet, that’s not pro-family.” - Former Arkansas State Representative Randy Minton (R)
“In the past, he blamed Democrats for raising taxes…We voted for them, but he proposed them.” - Arkansas State Senator John Paul Capps, a Democrat
5) Huckabee left a long trail of ethics questions while Governor of Arkansas
This is an area where I think Huckabee does receive some unfair criticism. Some of the ethics charges against him were frivolous and politically motivated. However, it has been concerning for some time just how much the governor accepted in gifts and how he was seemingly always pushing ethical limits.
· During his tenure, Huckabee accepted 314 gifts valued overall at more than $150,000, according to documents filed with the Arkansas’ Secretary of State office.
· The Huckabees set up wedding registries at local department stores as Mike was leaving office – even though they had been married for 30 years. State ethics laws prohibited Huckabee from receiving gifts of more than $100……but there was an exception for wedding gifts.
· Judicial Watch, a non-partisan group dedicted to fighting government corruption, listed Huckabee among their Ten Most Wanted Corrupt Politicians of 2007. Huckabee was one of only three Republican politicians to make the list.
6) Huckabee’s education record shows him to be an advocate of the “status quo”
The New Hampshire chapter of the National Education Association (NEA) has endorsed Hillary Clinton and Mike Huckabee for the upcoming Primary elections. This is the first time in memory that they have recommended a Republican (in 2004 they endorsed Howard Dean). They likely chose Huckabee because:
· Huckabee has consistently opposed virtually all proposals for education reform, including school choice vouchers.
· The former president of Eagle Forum of Arkansas said Huckabee “continued the Hillary Clinton education plan” as our governor.
· When the Arkansas Supreme Court ruled that Arkansas’ public school funding was “inequitable,” Huckabee took the ruling as a mandate to raise taxes in order to once again increase school funding…which he did. (To his credit, however, he also used the opportunity to consolidate some of the school districts in the state - although rural legislators severely watered down the proposal.)
7) Huckabee has very little support for his Presidential bid here in Arkansas
For the most part those in his party who know him best are not supporting him.
· In October, a University of Arkansas poll showed that, among all Presidential candidates in both parties, only 8% of Arkansans said they were supporting Mike Huckabee.
· That same week, the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette reported that only one-third of Republicans in the Arkansas Legislature said they were supporting their former governor’s Presidential bid.
· After this story, the Huckabee campaign published a list of supporters in his home state. The Arkansas News Bureau then reported that as some of the names on Huckabee’s Arkansas endorsement list were used without permission and had to be removed.
· This is purely anecdotal, but despite my involvement in Republican politics, I am unaware of any of my Republican friends who are supporting Huckabee. I have seen maybe 3 Huckabee for President bumper stickers – and I live in Republican west Little Rock and work 2 miles from the state capitol where Huckabee just completed over 10 years as Governor (my wife says she saw her first sticker today…..guess he’s picking up steam here!).
“…if Huckabee didn’t have things sewn up with Republicans back home, what kind of message did that send?….The truth is that Huckabee hasn’t had that much support from former and current Republican legislators.” - David Sanders, conservative columnist for Arkansas News Bureau (November 11, 2007)
Conclusion:
I realize the Republican Presidential field does not leave true conservatives with much to get excited about. However, it is unlikely I will support Huckabee over any of the Republican frontrunners because of his liberal record, his questionable judgment, and his reckless use of power while Governor. Now is not the time for Republicans to compromise on core conservative values. More importantly, we need a leader with a history of using strong judgment as our nation continues to lead the world in the War on Terror.
Two final questions:
1) Given the many vulnerabilities in his record, what is the likelihood that Huckabee would win in a general election? Democrat National Committee officials have already been quoted as saying that they see Huckabee as “easy kill” and refer to him as “the glass jaw — and they’re just waiting to break it.” The DNC has issued over 200 attack press releases on Republican candidates - only 4 on Huckabee, the last one coming 10 months ago.
2) Does his record as governor represent someone who should be given greater power and responsibility? Is he Commander and Chief material? Leader of the free world? National Review recently expressed concern, and Huckabee raised eyebrows with recent comments critical of U.S. Foreign policy and our role in the world - he was essentially repeating the Democrat talking points!
Feel free to pass this letter on or contact me if you have any questions about anything stated here. I have tried very carefully to be fair, accurate, and to stick to facts from Huckabee’s record. But it’s certainly possible I made a mistake somewhere or worded something poorly. I would be more than happy to further dialogue on any of these issues.
Sincerely,
David Thompson
Little Rock, Arkansas
dcraigwhite // Jan 11, 2008 at 7:45 pm
Debs said: “Can’t wait to watch Mitt tear the Huckster apart in ads…”
Do you mean the ads that Mitt isn’t running in SC or FL, because he pulled all of those earlier this week. Keep looking for it, maybe it will happen. After all, strange things happen in your mind…
Debs said: “Dcraig, you obviously are a political neophyte. It helps the Huckster for Fred to stay in. It takes votes away from the others. If Fred were to drop out,his voters would not go to the Huckster and it is ridiculous to think they would..-”
Apparently I am a political neophyte because I don’t agree with Saint Debs 100%. I know people personally who support Fred right now (not many), and when he drops out, they will support Huck. I think it’s hilarious that you think you speak for this vast majority of people who could “never” vote for Huck. Get a life.
Debs said: “You are the one that is being dishonest. ”
Yep, still waiting on the proof of that. Dishonesty is not telling the whole truth. Telling parts of the truth is just as bad as telling no truth at all. You are a master at telling parts of the truth. The parts that benefit your POV are great, but try looking at the big picture, like I’ve pointed out above.
HUCKABEE - McCAIN 2008!
debbie0040 // Jan 11, 2008 at 7:50 pm
You try looking at the facts I have pointed out. Most of the Fred people I have talked to will not support Huckabee. Fred would also endorse McCain.
You are a master of putting a spin on things. I would expect nothing less from you.
Fred may surprise a lot of people , including yourself…
debbie0040 // Jan 11, 2008 at 7:53 pm
From Romney’s interview, he obviously plans on running competitive races in those states.
Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney said Friday that Mike Huckabee has won his last primary.
Speaking via telephone with editors and reporters from the AJC, Romney said his campaign for the nomination remains strong and predicted that he will win Tuesday’s primary in Michigan.
From there, Romney said, he’ll make “a strong push in South Carolina,” and be competitive in the Jan. 29 Florida primary, all of which will lead to Super Tuesday and the Feb. 5 Georgia primary.
dcraigwhite // Jan 11, 2008 at 7:56 pm
Let’s talk about this….
From beginning to point #2:
First of all, keep in mind, that Hugh Hewitt is a huge Romney backer and has been for a long time. So just keep that in mind.
Second, when a Governor wins election (or re-election), especially in a state that has been controlled by Dems for a long period of time, the Governor usually has a pretty big role in who runs the state party. That’s the case in Georgia, and will be as long as we have a GOP Gov. That’s not unusual, and if I had to guess, this guy was on the side that was put out by Huck’s preferences. I don’t know that for sure, but that could be one explanation of his distrust.
Third, the two Reps quoted in this letter, Holt and Minton are being paid by the Ron Paul campaign to talk crap about Huck. In fact, they’re getting $5000 a pop. I would HARDLY call that objective. I’m a college student, I might start talking crap about Huck for that much money.
It’s not fair to place all of the blame on Huck for the decline of the Arkansas GOP. Let’s look at facts, in 2006, we saw a tidal wave of support for Lib-Dems nationwide. Surely, to some degree, an exiting governor could be to blame, but let’s not forget the situation all Republicans faced in 06.
Next post I’ll address 2 and 3.
dcraigwhite // Jan 11, 2008 at 8:09 pm
In point #2 the writer addresses the issue of clemencies and parole. We’ve discussed this before, and I guess you and I just have to agree to disagree. In my opinion, it’s good for an executive to review the cases of those seeking clemency, and then based on the facts he has, to grant or deny their requests. You’ve heard these facts before, but 90% of those released, over 1200 people, went on to live productive lives. Unfortunately, some of those thought to be rehabilitated weren’t, and obviously that’s not desirable. No one wants to see repeat offenders, but there is no way to foresee what may happen. The only way to prevent future crimes is never granting any sort of parole, and I don’t think that’s wise.
In point #3, the writer talks about immigration.
I’d love to see the facts behind his assertions. I am aware of the in-state tuition issue, and in my understanding of the issue, I don’t disagree with Huck. I do have questions, like how were the illegals in Arkansas schools long enough to graduate HS without anyone knowing, but that would be an issue for both former Gov’s Clinton and Tucker as well as the INS.
I would think, as a political neophyte mind you, that were there any validity to the other assertions listed in this article, that both Romney and Thompson would have taken full advantage of them, but they aren’t so until I see the facts behind the writing, I’ll remain slightly skeptical.
more coming…
HUCKABEE - McCAIN 2008!
dcraigwhite // Jan 11, 2008 at 8:16 pm
In point #4 the writer addressed Huck’s fiscal record.
As someone who is intellectually honest, I have no problem telling you that this is the one area where there are valid concerns about what type of President Huck would be. Really, it comes down to whether or not the tax hikes that were enacted were beneficial and acceptable to the people of his state. Huck’s response to this charge in the debate last night was wonderful. On top of that, he’s signed the tax pledge, which if violated would without a doubt limit him to one term. Our taxes will not go up under Huck, in fact, with a bit more support, we could see the FairTax enacted near the end of his first term.
In point 5, the writer addresses what even he calls an “unfair criticism” of Huck - the “ethics violations” of his administration.
I have addressed these already, and like the author find these to be far-fetched at best.
more coming…
HUCKABEE - McCAIN 2008!
dcraigwhite // Jan 11, 2008 at 8:29 pm
In point #6 the writer talks about Education.
There is no bigger proponent of alternative education than Mike Huckabee. That’s why he has the support of a HUGE majority of home-schooled families. Huck also recognizes the need for balanced education. As a right-brained kid, I found myself EXTREMELY bored during middle and high school…there was no balance.
Point #7 is his last point, and says that no one in Arkansas supports Huck.
Not sure when this was written, but according to:
http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/arkansas.html
Huck has 59% support among Republicans in Arkansas…I’d say that’s pretty strong.
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Here’s my take:
There are valid criticisms of Mike Huckabee, and I will be the first to acknowledge them, but this kind of attack is weak. Republicans are supposed to be the intellectually honest ones. The ones who examine the facts, and make logical decisions based on real truth. Debbie, you and I have sparred in the past, but I sincerely hope you can get beyond pot-shots offered by some and see the full truth. I like to poke fun, and try to get under your skin, but I have tried here to really answer each portion of the post. I respect that fact that you support Fred, and like I’ve said, I don’t have anything against him.
HUCKABEE - McCAIN 2008!
debbie0040 // Jan 11, 2008 at 8:33 pm
Dcraig, I will post the links that were in that article that did not get transferred over.
You seem to be very intelligent or I would not be spending my Friday night to do this. I know the University that you attend and you shoudl be very familar with the NEA. I get Matt Staver’s emails.
Just think abut one thing. Romney’s words. Do you think those things will not be used against Huckabee at some point?
I am a preachers kid. My Dad is a retired Independant Baptist Minister that graduated from Tennessee Temple in Chatanooga.
He reminded me that the children of Israel were impressed by King Saul because he was fair to look upon and was charismatic. He also has problems with the fact that if someone is truly called to preach by God, then why did he turn his back on the ministry and go into politics?
Fred’s words in the debate were right on target:
“Fred Thompson’s Statement about Huckabee in last night’s debate.
· “I think that Governor Huckabee’s campaign manager said it accurately in terms of what they believe. They believe that [the Reagan Revolution] is over. This is a battle for the heart and soul of the Republican Party and its future. On the one hand you have the Reagan Revolution, you have the Reagan Coalition of limited government and strong national security.
On the other hand you have the direction that Governor Huckabee would take us in. He would be a Christian leader, but he would also bring about liberal economic policies, liberal foreign policies. He believes we have an arrogant foreign policy in the tradition of “blame America first.” He believes that Guantanamo should be closed down and those enemy combatants brought here into the United States to find there way into the court system eventually.
He believes in taxpayer funded programs for illegals as he did in Arkansas. He has the endorsement the National Education Association and the NEA said it was because of his opposition to vouchers. He said he would sign a bill that banned smoking nationwide, so much for federalism. So much for state’s rights. So much for individual rights.
That’s not the model of the Reagan Coalition. That’s the model of the Democratic Party.”
http://www.alipac.us/article-2854-thread-1-0.html
http://www.arkansasleader.com/2005/10/edit
http://www.arkansasleader.com/frontstories/st_08_11_04/huckabee8.html
debbie0040 // Jan 11, 2008 at 8:42 pm
http://www.arkansasleader.com/2007/11/editorialswhos-biggest-tax-raiser.html
http://www.nwanews.com/adg/national/203850/
http://www.alipac.us/ftopicp-551344.html#551344
http://www.rightwingnews.com/interviews/huckabee.php
Gov. Mike Huckabee Thursday denounced a bill by Sen. Jim Holt that would deny state benefits to illegal immigrants as un-Christian, un-American, irresponsible and anti-life … Senate Bill 206, filed Wednesday, also would require proof of citizenzhip to register to vote and would require state agencies to report suspected cases of people living in the country illegally … ‘Even if benefits to people who are in the U.S illegally could be stopped, ‘I don’t understand how a practicing Christian can turn his back on a child from this or any other state,’ Huckabee said … Huckabee said he took exception to characterization of immigrants in the bill and by its supporters as exploiters of social programs. ‘They pay sales taxes on their groceries,’ Huckabee said. ‘They pay fuel taxes. If they’re using a fake Social Security number, they’re paying Social Security taxes and will never receive any benefit … Something that’s not worth sharing is not worth celebrating,’ Huckabee said. ‘This is the kind of country that opens its doors. This bill expresses an un-American attitude.’ January 28, 2005
http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2005/01/28/News/316347.html
debbie0040 // Jan 11, 2008 at 8:43 pm
Gov. Mike Huckabee Thursday denounced a bill by Sen. Jim Holt that would deny state benefits to illegal immigrants as un-Christian, un-American, irresponsible and anti-life … Senate Bill 206, filed Wednesday, also would require proof of citizenzhip to register to vote and would require state agencies to report suspected cases of people living in the country illegally … ‘Even if benefits to people who are in the U.S illegally could be stopped, ‘I don’t understand how a practicing Christian can turn his back on a child from this or any other state,’ Huckabee said … Huckabee said he took exception to characterization of immigrants in the bill and by its supporters as exploiters of social programs. ‘They pay sales taxes on their groceries,’ Huckabee said. ‘They pay fuel taxes. If they’re using a fake Social Security number, they’re paying Social Security taxes and will never receive any benefit … Something that’s not worth sharing is not worth celebrating,’ Huckabee said. ‘This is the kind of country that opens its doors. This bill expresses an un-American attitude.’ January 28, 2005
http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2005/01/28/News/316347.html
debbie0040 // Jan 11, 2008 at 8:43 pm
http://www.alipac.us/ftopicp-551344.html#551344
http://www.rightwingnews.com/interviews/huckabee.php
debbie0040 // Jan 11, 2008 at 8:44 pm
http://www.arkansasleader.com/2007/11/editorialswhos-biggest-tax-raiser.html
http://www.nwanews.com/adg/national/203850/
dcraigwhite // Jan 11, 2008 at 8:50 pm
Debbie,
Tennessee Temple - good school. I have many friends who attend there, and a great friend who was just hired as the Campus Pastor for Spiritual Life.
King Saul is an interesting case. God promised the people a King, they wanted it on their terms, not on God’s. They put their stock in the man that, by the world’s standards, was the best man for the job. Saul was tall, dark, handsome, and a fierce warrior. He was everything they expected a “king” to be. They found out, fairly quickly, that God’s best was much different then their “best”. Many times, we think we know what’s best, when in all actuality, we have no idea. That’s the lesson I take from my man King Saul.
Now, I gotta take issue with your dad’s point about leaving ministry for politics. You and I would both agree that nowhere is a minister more needed then in politics. My dad is also a pastor, so I know the world you come from (and probably still live in). I know countless people who were once in ministry and now serve in other areas. God calls us to do different things at different times in our lives. This, to me, is no valid criticism of Huck.
Now, for Fred’s comments last night, we all knew what was coming. Everyone and their brother knew that he was going to attack Huck because he has to do be competitive. To say that Huck is part of the “blame America first” crowd is so far fetched it’s not even funny. Great line, but not true. Fred’s going to do everything he can to win SC, I predict a 3rd or 4th place finish at which point he drops out, and like you say, endorses John McCain.
McCain or Huck will win Michigan, thus taking Mitt out.
I think at that point, FL goes to Huck and we see he and McCain battle it out until the convention, with the winner picking up the loser as the VP.
GOPeach // Jan 11, 2008 at 9:31 pm
Damn Debbie-
You need your own blog….TMI girl!
GOPeach // Jan 11, 2008 at 9:36 pm
90% of what Debbie has posted is written by threatened paranoid people like Fred, Mitt, Rudy campaign people -
Notice John McCain people are not ripping Huckabee because they have this thing called CLASS!
Buzz - when Huckabee gets in the White House - don’t act like you were “just kidding” here on Peach Pundit.
We have plenty of evidence that you launched a HATE campaign for Gov. Huckabee!
Icarus // Jan 11, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Who the hell opened up the Costco sized can of “Crazy” tonight?
TrueConservative // Jan 11, 2008 at 9:46 pm
Debbie, you remind of Romney. Everyone hates you.
For more info on Debbie goto:
http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/273570/results
GOPeach // Jan 11, 2008 at 9:49 pm
MIKE HUCKABEE IN MARIETTA!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elZrTFUXATA&feature=related
GOPeach // Jan 11, 2008 at 9:56 pm
True Conservative-
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Icarus Not Costco! SAM’s Size!
Costco gives money to DEMOCRATS!
SAMS gives money to REPUBLICANS!!!
It’s SAM’S size Crazy up in here, Dude!
GOPeach // Jan 11, 2008 at 10:00 pm
This is the way I am seeing Debbie when she blog’s her Huckabee smear campaign -
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g213/adam8smart/crazy_face.jpg
GOPeach // Jan 11, 2008 at 10:01 pm
Just kidding!
GOPeach // Jan 11, 2008 at 10:01 pm
I am in a crazy mood myself!
GOPeach // Jan 11, 2008 at 10:02 pm
Just nit THAT crazy.
GOPeach // Jan 11, 2008 at 10:02 pm
*not …
ConservativeCaucus // Jan 11, 2008 at 10:03 pm
lol Icarus
albert // Jan 11, 2008 at 10:34 pm
nah dude, this is the poll. http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/273570/
TrueConservative // Jan 11, 2008 at 10:39 pm
Now that is funny…..
ConservativeCaucus // Jan 11, 2008 at 11:13 pm
Romney’s comment smacks of a campaign that is desperate. It strikes me as if Romney has asked himself, “how is this former Baptist preacher with no money beating me?”
GOPeach // Jan 12, 2008 at 2:29 am
CC-
I am sure Romney it baffled!
Brian Laurens // Jan 12, 2008 at 5:25 am
Governor Romney knows what he is doing. While that comment might be questionable, he has the funds, organization, and support to run until after Feb. 5th. In fact he is the only candidate that has and will continue to campaign in every state.
debbie0040 // Jan 12, 2008 at 6:03 am
Peach you need to go back to school and learn math. Most of what I have posted has come from conservative columnists or newspaper articles, not any of the candidates. I have posted maybe 10 % of what the campaigns have said. To be honest, I don’t care what you think.
Peach, get over your fantasy about Buzz…
CC, that poll was from last year. If you think for one minute that I will be silenced by someone like you then think again.. It just motivates me that much more because you and others like you don’t like it.
Bill Simon is right on target:
http://politicalvine.com/politicalrumors/rumors/mike-huckabee-the-man-with-no-commonsense/
debbie0040 // Jan 12, 2008 at 6:04 am
When Huckabee loses, you arrogant Huckabee people will have a lot of crow to eat….
debbie0040 // Jan 12, 2008 at 6:09 am
Peach, from what I have heard, you have quite a few of your own problems to worry about…
Besides your Buzz fantasty…
debbie0040 // Jan 12, 2008 at 6:12 am
CC, I noticed you have taken a page out of the Clinton playbook. If you can not attack the message then attack the messenger….
Clinton must have left behind his campaign playbook for the Huckster because the Huckster’s campaign reminds me more and more of Clinton’s campaign..
debbie0040 // Jan 12, 2008 at 6:58 am
Conservative Caucus, Peach, you both attacked me personally. You did not attack the position I held and not my candidate. I won’t forget it. Knowing both of you, I am surprised you did that..
If your strategy was to silence me, it WON”T work..
You can’t discredit the message so you attack the messenger. So Clintonesque…
John Konop // Jan 12, 2008 at 8:25 am
Debbie.
As I said in the past I am neutral on Huckabee. The reason why many of people on all side have defended Huckabee, Obama and Paul is the cherry picking vicious attacks are a real turn off. The Clinton/Bush style attacks you seem to thrive on helps the other candidate.
Even if you think your spewing of hate helps your candidate does it not bother you? You have made racist remarks, you have compared Huckabee supporters to people who supported Jim Jones…….. As I said I am praying, you will see the light!
Since you sited a source that attacks Huckabee on ethics do you agree with the same source that Bush and Cheney should be impeached? And if not why would use that source?
Tea Party // Jan 12, 2008 at 10:13 am
Debs and DC should date.
Debs you made the comment ‘political neophyte’ some along your verbosity and believe that most people are turned off by politics because of the truly brutish nature of the business.
In the end, it is the same polemic inflexibility witnessed in this tiny microcosm that so well represents this Nations’ death spiral of political gridlock.
Vision, not vengeance, is the path toward redemption of American progress over issues such as healthcare and insurance reform, workable border security, and a very long list of legitimate issues.
As Goldwater Con and I agree, whomever becomes POTUS in November, little will change in the big issues.
IMO we all wait for the’ other shoe to drop’ in a reactive and not proactive state.
I urge that we all become part of the solution, and not a continuance of the problem.
ConservativeCaucus // Jan 12, 2008 at 10:47 am
Debbie, I am extremely confused on a number of issues:
1) What poll is from last year?
2) How did I attack you personally? Please show me where I did this. I re-read the entire post and I see no place where you could get this impression. In fact, in previous posts, I have stood up for you - where does this come from?
3) I fully acknowledge that Huckabee could lose. In fact, he still has a long way to go. The smart money is on McCain right now. Do I think Huckabee can win? Absolutely! But by no means do I think he has it in the bag.
4) How did I attack the messenger and not the message? By saying that it sounds like his campaign is desperate? Please tell me that isn’t attacking the messenger…
Heck, even Brian admits the comment was “questionable.”
eburke // Jan 12, 2008 at 10:52 am
Deb,
negative campaigning doesn’t work against candidates perceived to be nice guys. It only makes the one who run the ads look mean. I think that is what happened to Mitt. He was leading until he started going negative on everyone. My own favorability of Romney has dropped substantially over the last month. He has really turned me off.
Still Looking // Jan 12, 2008 at 11:08 am
Does anyone care about a Target gift registry? It just doesn’t seem to have much signifigance. If you want to beat up on Huckabee, there is plenty of more viable material: fair tax, evolution, foreign policy experience. We need to stick to things that matter.
eburke // Jan 12, 2008 at 11:18 am
Also note that for King Saul’s faults, he did reign for 40 years and brought stability to Israel and was used be God to keep order.
souldrift // Jan 12, 2008 at 12:22 pm
I’m enjoying watching the far right goons flip out now that Huckabee is in the lead in Georgia. The fiscal conservatives have ridden the backs of the social conservatives for YEARS f not DECADES; now what they’ve sown is finally coming back to them, and THEY DO NOT LIKE IT!
I’m also enjoying that Huckabee and Obama are showing the pompous blow-hards on conservative talk radio that cordiality and avoiding talking down to ones’ opponents is attractive to the American people. It restores my faith in us. Again, the self-important fiscal conservative crowd DOES NOT LIKE IT!
Ha! This is truly awesome.
Bill Simon // Jan 12, 2008 at 12:23 pm
At the time of that poll (June 2006), Stephanie Mills was not familiar with GOPeach’s rantings. In fact, back then, no one was.
But, we’re ALL better educated today.
Grits // Jan 12, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Mike Huckabee has a lot more going for him than the Evangelical vote: Fair Tax vote, Pro-Life vote; and people who realize that this man is a leader (Baptist Asso, Governors Asso). He will set a vision for America that will point us up - vertical politics that he talks about. Plus, he is real, has a radiate personality, is very articulate and is a true compassionate conservative. I could go on and on. Mike is the man!
GOPeach // Jan 12, 2008 at 4:44 pm
Debbie:
You have aligned yourself personally with all the outrageously loooooooooooong posts. You have personally insulted the Huckabee supporters ( now me included).
I did not start out with Huckabee! I was talked into it and I am glad I was. I began with Ron Paul. But I can not stand with him on the war.
You have smeared smeared smeared Huckabee for his FAITH! That is wrong!
I can not forget that. It is way over the top.
GOPeach // Jan 12, 2008 at 4:48 pm
Still Looking-
How is EVOLUTION an issue????????????????
That is a SAM’s size can of CRAZY!!
I would not give a hoot in hell who said we came from monkeys or angels! BIG WOOP!
GOPeach // Jan 12, 2008 at 4:51 pm
I thought I would share this just in case:
THREE CROW RECIPES
From Debbie, courtesy of her Mom’s WW II cookbook
Crow and Mushroom Stew
3 crows
1 Tbsp lard/shortening
1 pint stock or gravy
2 Tbsp cream
1/2 cup mushrooms
salt and pepper
cayenne pepper
Clean and cut crows into small portions and let them cook a short time in the lard/shortening in a saucepan, being careful not to brown them.
Next, add to the contents of the pan, the stock or gravy, and salt, pepper and cayenne to taste.
Simmer 1 hour, or until tender, add mushrooms, simmer 10 minutes more and then stir in cream.
Arrange the mushrooms around the crows on a hot platter.
Potted Crow:
6 crows
3 bacon slices
stuffing of your choice
1 diced carrot
1 diced onion
chopped parsley
hot water or stock
1/4 cup shortening
1/4 cup flour
buttered toast
Clean and dress crows; stuff and place them upright in stew-pan on the slices of bacon. Add the carrot, onion and a little parsley, and cover with boiling water or stock.
Cover the pot and let simmer for 2-3 hours, or until tender, adding boiling water or stock when necessary.
Make a sauce of the shortening and flour and 2 cups of the stock remaining in the pan.
Serve each crow on a thin slice of moistened toast, and pour gravy over all.
Crow Pie:
1 crow
stuffing of your choice
salt and pepper
shortening
flour
2 Pie crust mixes
2-3 hard-boiled eggs
Stuff the crow. Loosen joints with a knife but do not cut through.
Simmer the crow in a stew-pan, with enough water to cover, until nearly tender, then season with salt and pepper. Remove meat from bones and set aside.
Prepare pie crusts as directed. (Do not bake)
Make a medium thick gravy with flour, shortening, and juices in which the crow has cooked and let cool.
Line a pie plate with pie crust and line with slices of hard-boiled egg. Place crow meat on top. Layer gravy over the crow. Place second pie dough crust over top.
ENJOY!
GOPeach // Jan 12, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Eburke- Amen!
souldrift // Jan 12, 2008 at 5:32 pm
“I began with Ron Paul. But I can not stand with him on the war.”
GOPeach - You’ve mentioned one of Huck’s drawbacks, his insistence on following the Bush plan on the war. ON that issue, I’m with Paul. WE HAVE TO STOP being Team America/World Police.
If it’s Huck-Obama, I’m voting Obama. If it’s Huck-Clinton, even though I’m a social liberal (i.e. EVOLUTION–yes, it’s an issue), I’m torn. I could see myself voting for Huck, though I’m not entirely sure.
GOPeach // Jan 12, 2008 at 5:41 pm
Souldrift:
I would write in the name of my dog - Nepolian
before voting for any baby killer candidate.
Nelpolian loves babies - he licks them.
GOPeach // Jan 12, 2008 at 5:42 pm
FYI - My grandkids named him after Nepolian Dynomite
Still Looking // Jan 12, 2008 at 6:42 pm
Peach,
In case you didn’t know Huckabee doesn’t believe in evolution. That just might be an issue.
rugby_fan // Jan 12, 2008 at 8:33 pm
“with all the outrageously loooooooooooong posts.”
That is quite rich coming from GOPeach.
Maurice Atkinson // Jan 12, 2008 at 9:15 pm
The more I learn about Mike Huckabee, the more I am impressed with what he stands for. I do agree with Fred Thompson however, this election is for the heart and soul of the Republican Party.
For the past decade, or more, we’ve been sold a bill of goods. Under the banner of “fiscal conservatism” we’ve run our national debt to nearly 10 trillion dollars. We’ve destroyed our manufacturing base, shipping jobs to who knows where, and we “little people” are told to shut up; that we’re too stupid to understand their economics.
I’m no economist, but one thing I can certainly understand is that these 535 members of congress have left an IOUs that are going to be paid by generations to come.
If it were our local government, we would have run them off.
Where were Fred Thompson’s press conferences warning the people of what this congress was doing. Where were John McCain and Ron Paul imploring our leadership to come to its senses?
I remember in the early 90’s when Newt Gingrich, Bob Dornan, Duncan Hunter and others rallied the leadership and sold the Contract With America. That regime is gone. What we replaced it with was meaningless rhetoric.
Yes there is a war, but the war didn’t cost 5 trillion dollars. In my opinion, our leadership in congress has maintained an arrogant bunker mentality with the American people.
Mike Huckabee represents a new idea, which really is an age old idea, a government of the people, by the people and for the people. Amidst all the political rhetoric, to me, he is a voice of reason. Can we really afford to buy the same line we’ve always bought? Its way too expensive and doesn’t live up to its promise.
http://www.hucksarmy.com/video.php
ConservativeCaucus // Jan 12, 2008 at 10:24 pm
Still Looking,
I don’t see how his answer on evolution should
a) disqualify him to be President
b) put him against 90%+ of the American people
When asked whether he believed in evolution, he said that if you are asking whether he believed in a God or not, he admitted that he believes in God. But then he went on to say that he believed that God was active in the creation process.
He then goes on to say, “Now how did He do it, and when did He do it, and how long did He take, I don’t honestly know.”
This puts him in line with 90%+ of the American people… hardly an out of the mainstream view.
ConservativeCaucus // Jan 12, 2008 at 10:26 pm
Debbie, I am still very anxious to get your reply to my post at 10:47am.
You probably have better things to do today than check on a political blog (good for you by the way!), but I am truly interested in your response.
debbie0040 // Jan 12, 2008 at 10:29 pm
CC. I apologize, I meant to write True conservative. too early in the morning.
As for GOPeach, anyone want to know who she is?
IndyInjun // Jan 12, 2008 at 10:36 pm
MA Wrote:
“Where were John McCain and Ron Paul imploring our leadership to come to its senses?”
Paul was consistently voting against unbalanced budgets, tax increases, writing and warning of the immense financial damage being done. Google ‘Ron Paul and the Federal Reserve” and you will see ample proof.
Maurice, you are totally offbase in blaming the fiscal irresponsibility on the fiscal conservatives, who have been resolute in their objections to the Bush administration.
It was the brain-dead evangels who rescued the most corrupt POTUS in history in 2004 after we fiscal conservatives abandoned him for the disastrous 70% increase in social programs and the doubling of the debt. BTW the only GOPer on the Georgia delegation at the time who voted against the mad spending was our Charlie Norwood.
Unlike Dr. Paul, Hackabee LOVES tax increases and is a democrat running in the GOP, as Fred Thompson accurately pinned him.
My Bible teaches equally against lying and stealing, as much so as against killing babies, but the “Christian Right” or social conservatives turn a blind eye when these things are practiced by their heros Hackabee and GW Bush. What gives with that?
You folks really are a confused and confusing lot.
debbie0040 // Jan 12, 2008 at 10:37 pm
CC, I haven’t been online all day. I was typing while reading your post and put you instead of TC. I owe you lunch next time you are over this way. I am truly sorry
I have been all day where you were last weekend..
I was mostly referring to Peach about the arrongance part…
Anyone that thinks Romney if finished is foolish.
Barak Obama’s Church. Interesting reading..
http://www.tucc.org/about.htm
ConservativeCaucus // Jan 12, 2008 at 10:47 pm
Okay. I hoped that was the case.
Romney is a strong candidate (I do confess I believe he is flawed, but a strong candidate nonetheless).
You are correct… those that think their guy has it in the bank are counting their chickens before they hatch.
I can see a credible way for all five to become the nominee and I would submit that Thompson and Huckabee’s are the most narrow. Huckabee needs to do nicely in Michigan (third is fine, but a strong third is important), but he needs to win SC. If he doesn’t win SC, then Romney’s prediction could be almost true (I do like Huckabee’s chances in Arkansas and for that matter GA).
We have a strong field, but all of them have serious strengths, and all have significant weaknesses.
If not Huckabee, then please Thompson.
debbie0040 // Jan 12, 2008 at 10:52 pm
Peach, I have not smeared Huckabe because of his faith. I believe he is using his faith or religion to get elected and to hide his record and I do object to that.
Peach what is it with Huckabee and his supporters? You all seemed to be fixated on body parts, you on Buzz’s legs and Huck on Fred’s rear…
Friday, January 11, 2008
MIKE HUCKABEE, FRED THOMPSON
Huckabee: ‘Fred Needs Some Metamucil.’
Huckabee, asked about Thompson going after him last night:
JOE SCARBOROUGH: Last night, now tell me what was happening. It certainly looked like Fred Thompson was doing John McCain’s bidding. You know Fred, I love him, I served with him up in Congress, but he’s been asleep for the last couple months. He woke up last night, and he had a hatchet, and he used it all over your head now. What’s going on here?
MIKE HUCKABEE: That he did.
SCARBOROUGH: Why?
HUCKABEE: Well, I think Fred needs some Metamucil. I think it would help a lot if he gets some. You know, he was in a bad mood last night.
BRZEZINSKI: Did he just say that?
HUCKABEE: But the truth is he’s going to have to hope that this writers’ guild strike ends soon. He needs some new lines, and he needs to get some good research. Because when he was out there calling me things like a liberal, of all the things I’ve been called that’s a laughable line, that’s gotta be one of the great ones.
The Thompson campaign’s response:
So Fred Thompson criticizes Huckabee’s political positions, and Huckabee’s response is…a juvenile personal insult?
You stay classy, Huckabee.
http://www.evangelicalsformitt.org/
Mitt is not even close to being out …Looks Huckabee is slinging mud as well.
debbie0040 // Jan 12, 2008 at 11:03 pm
I will support whoever is the GOP nominee. The Supreme Court is way too important. We are all family after all…
Barak Obama could be the Democratic nominee and that is scary…Almost as scary as Hillary. Those are reasons for us all to put all our differences aside after the GOP nominee is chosen and work our tails to ensure whoever the GOP nominee is, he wins in November..
One thing that puzzles me about the whole primary season is that McCain is doing so well…Huckabee, I could see coming , but not McCain…
CC, You said,”We have a strong field, but all of them have serious strengths, and all have significant weaknesses.” You are correct. The perfect candidate would be if you combined Huckabee and Thompson. He would have Fred’s belief’s and record and Huckabee’s personality and dedication.
Maurice Atkinson // Jan 12, 2008 at 11:26 pm
Indy, to simply vote against a measure is hardly leadership. He was ONE of 435 house members. ONE person could make a difference. Remember ’94?
Fred, McCain and Paul left a 10 trillion dollar debt. Huckabee left a surplus, overhauled a dilapidated infrastructure and enhanced the educational environment moving them from 49th to 8th? That’s problem solving. If that’s liberalism, I’m all for it. I would rather see results than excuses.
Consider Georgia DOT, it takes 20 years to STUDY a 2 mile stretch of roadway. It takes 4 years to widen a 2 mile stretch (Mercer University Dr.). Where is the uproar. When a group complains they’re branded as kooks. Then when an administrative change is made and the incompetence is exposed what happens, our FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE brothers wheel and deal to slam the door shut on her. Its repugnant.
I’m thoroughly sick of the establishment’s excuses. I’m looking forward to a wholesale change in government. The problem is, there aren’t enough COMPETENT people involving themselves in the process, and what’s left is covering their own.
IndyInjun // Jan 13, 2008 at 12:01 am
Maurice,
I believe that you and Shep are good folks.
You wrote “… I’m looking forward to a wholesale change in government. The problem is, there aren’t enough COMPETENT people involving themselves in the process, and what’s left is covering their own.”
I could vote for either of you (hahaha but not if you ran on the Fair???tax), but I really believe that Huckabee is a false prophet, just as Bush 43 is.
Many times Paul was on the losing end of 425-3 votes. It was a lonely position to be in, no?
What we all need is a unifying candidate. There are two in SC, DeMint and Sanford. There is another in OK named Coburn.
I never felt that Dr. Paul was going to win. People vote on subjectives that he was too old, too unknown, and not physically imposing enough to overcome. It is sad that the masses chose on such bases, but it is undeniable.
This is the most important election in our lives and I think we are all bummed out at the choices.
On the economic front, there is no one like Ron Paul and in the all-to-near future there is going to be a financial collapse worse than 1929. I will be proud that I tried everything in my power to get the one man who could help elected, even if we did fall short.
The Fair???tax will get Huckabee wiped out in the general election. GOPers are afraid to take on the powerful corporate interests behind it.
At the state level, nothing is being said about we conservatives putting up opposition to the ruinous Chambliss so that we actually have a CHOICE in that race.
You guys are as frustrated as I am, but we disagree on the solution.
Maurice Atkinson // Jan 13, 2008 at 12:21 am
We rip on the Clinton years. He started with a 4 trillion debt, left us with 5 trillion. Bush is leaving us with 10 trillion!! And, we ran both houses of congress for the bulk of it.
So who is liberal?
IndyInjun // Jan 13, 2008 at 1:09 am
Maurice,
Exactly.
Nearly ALL are liberal, with less than 50 in the House and Senate deserving of a conservative label.
What we all should find frightening is the expansion of the powers of the state just as the excesses from the size of the state threaten a financial collapse. The forces in play won’t lead to a return to conservatism, limited government, and the Constitution, but to the domination of the nanny state over us all.
If we don’t get the direction changed NOW, we may not get another chance.