94 comments

  1. jsm says:

    Go Fred! Go Fred! Go Fred!

    Man! I’ve been waiting for this guy to get some fire in his belly for this race. I still believe he’s the man for the job, and tonight gives me a glimmer of hope that he may be able to turn this race around after all.

  2. Jason Pye says:

    This is the quote of the night:

    I think that Governor Huckabee’s campaign manager said it accurately in terms of what they believe. They believe that [the Reagan Revolution] is over. This is a battle for the heart and soul of the Republican Party and its future. On the one hand you have the Reagan Revolution, you have the Reagan Coalition of limited government and strong national security.

    On the other hand you have the direction that Governor Huckabee would take us in. He would be a Christian leader, but he would also bring about liberal economic policies, liberal foreign policies. He believes we have an arrogant foreign policy in the tradition of “blame America first.” He believes that Guantanamo should be closed down and those enemy combatants brought here into the United States to find there way into the court system eventually.

    He believes in taxpayer funded programs for illegals as he did in Arkansas. He has the endorsement the National Education Association and the NEA said it was because of his opposition to vouchers. He said he would sign a bill that banned smoking nationwide, so much for federalism. So much for state’s rights. So much for individual rights.

    That’s not the model of the Reagan Coalition. That’s the model of the Democratic Party.

    I am not a fan of the foreign policy espoused by any of the candidates, but Thompson nailed Huckabee on economic issues and school choice.

  3. Unfortunately, I didn’t get to see much of the debate. We had an organizational meeting for the Middle Georgia for Huckabee….

    What I did see was that Huckabee did quite well. He’s a good horse.

  4. ConservativeCaucus says:

    Thompson’s best debate.

    Huckabee did well in defending himself, but should have been a little more assertive.

    Prediction: Thompson finishes 4th in SC and endorses McCain. Thompson’s attack is intended to lay down fire for McCain so that he doesn’t have to.

  5. Brookhaven says:

    This was better than the 2 NH debates where it seemed that Romney had 1/3 of the face time. I have little interest in Romney as his candidacy has been flawed from the outset–so tonight was an adequate dose of him.

    Thompson appeared to have a prepared, well-conceived attack of Huckabee, and Fred did much better than in the NH debates, but it is too late and he has not been consistent enough to make a real dent–although he could run well in SC.

    McCain was not terribly exciting, although he made some good points, especially about his patriotism. I think he will win the nomination, but I see too many parallels between he and Bob Dole, and you know how Dole went down.

    Rudy has been a broken record for several months and did little to revitalize his campaign, which is too bad because I would be inclined to support him. He gave the same speech about change that he gave in NH at a time when it was not called for. He has been seemingly debating himself rather than engaging the other candidates in the last 3 debates.

    Huckabee held his own pretty well in spite of the attacks. In one answer on foreign policy, he went from several incoherent sentences to making one of the more salient points of the night. His answer on the religion question was one of the best in the debate season. Still, he has already rubbed too many important Republicans the wrong way and that will be his flaw–it certainly is not his presentation.

    I am not going to vent too much about the time that was wasted over Ron Paul tonight.

    In the end, McCain appears to be headed for the nomination, but Huckabee, and even Thompson could pick up some support if there is buyer’s remorse. Rudy’s only chance is if his large-state gamble in all of these never-before-done front loaded primaries works.

  6. debbie0040 says:

    I can assure you conservative caucus that was not what Thompson was doing. Fred is giving it his all and you can expect to see more of Fred doing what he did in last night’s debate. He is going to fight for South Carolina.

    That was a rather foolish statement you made about him laying down fire for McCain.

    People are beginning to see past the campaign rhetoric coming from the Huckster and taking a look at his record. The negative ads and pointing at the Huckster’s record will intensify …

    There is pro Huckabee sentiment, but also a tremendous amount of anti Huckabee or anybody but Huckabee sentiment.

    If the GOP nominates the huckster, it will insure a Democratic victory in November.

    A co-worker made the statement to me the other day that a Huckabee presidency could do more to damage the Republican party than a Hillary Presidency. I don’t agree with that sentiment, but it is out there..

  7. eburke says:

    They said the same thing about Reagan in 76 and in 80. After eight years of his presidency the same folks were ready to cannonize him.

  8. Tea Party,,, but then again so does Bush, Taft, Coolidge, Polk, Fillmore, Garfield, Arthur and Truman.

    Yes Debbie, people are seeing through the rhetoric…. Now they are asking questions like, is it really liberal to rebuild the roadway system in the state? Is it really liberal to pay an adequate teacher salary and to increase educational standards?

    Perhaps your candidate must be for dirt roads and uneducated children? Comic books for all?

  9. Jason Pye says:

    The problem is that he didn’t cut spending before he rushed to increase taxes.

    He ignored the Murphy Commission report put together by the Arkansas Public Policy Foundation. That report had millions of dollars of wasteful spending that could have been cut out of the budget. He did nothing to reign in pork spending in his state.

    And the line about the first broad based tax cut in 160 year is a lie. Clinton signed a broad based tax cut in 1991.

    His response to raising taxes last night was, “I raised hope.” That was pathetic. Everything thing Fred Thompson said about Tax Hike Mike was true and the response from Huckabee were poor. He got flustered at a couple of point during the night.

    Huckabee is the anti-Reagan.

  10. Goldwater Conservative says:

    I still can not believe that Thompson and Paul have yet to concede and throw their support behind a candidate that can win. They are trying to increase their stock while tearing the party apart. Think General Election…not your personal ideology.

  11. JRM2016 says:

    Would y’all have had George W. Bush throw in the towel after losing to John McCain by 18 POINTS in New Hampshire in 2000?

    The idea that it is too late for anyone, Giuliani, Romney, Thompson, etc. to win is ludicrous.

  12. Doug Deal says:

    Howard Stern was on Letterman last night (no cable has reduced me to watching network tv) and his thoughts on Huckabee was that he gets votes simply because he is a Christian. I am not someone who finds Stern entertaining, but I could not agree with him more. This is also what fiscal conservatives, moderates and independents are going to think to. Huckabee will be the Walter Mondale of the Republican Party. (But, with hard work and luck, he may be able to work to become the Republican Michael Dukakis).

    Oh, and Stern’s choice for President? Rudy Giuliani.

  13. John Konop says:

    Doug Deal,

    I respectfully disagree with you about Huckabee. My wife is a democrat and she likes Huckabee. I cannot tell you how many of my friends who have wives who are Republican. Independent or Democrats who support Huckabee. I think his support among woman with children is big

    I think many people are selling him short on the likeability factor. How many voters really drill done on issues?

  14. LoyaltyIsMyHonor says:

    “President Huckabee
    It just sounds weird….”

    Tea Party, How bout, “President Huckabee, Tippy Canoe, and Tyler too”

    Oh wait, I think that’s been tried before. But I agree with you, his name sounds straight out of the mid-19th century.

  15. Hank Reardan says:

    Goldwater
    If was a betting man. I would bet Ron paul has the greatest chance on being on the ballot this Nov. over any other candidate that was in that debate last night.
    Also personal ideology is important. I want a candidate who will stand for what he believes in and will not lay down like a dog for what good for the party. We these guys are thinking is what is good for America

  16. debbie0040 says:

    No, Maurice it is not liberal to want good roads in your state or education.

    It is liberal when your first response is to raise taxes instead of cutting spending…

    Tax Hike Mike fits the Huckster well…

  17. John Konop says:

    Debbie

    We have the debt closing in on 10 trillion with most of the time under GOP control. Please do not let the facts get in the way of your spin! The truth since the NEWT days the spending has been out of control from both sides!

  18. jsm says:

    They are trying to increase their stock while tearing the party apart.

    They’re trying to fight those (FDR Republicans) who have just about torn the party apart already. Everyone else on the stage has problems with changing positions, supporting a socialist entitlement culture, and having too much “compassion” to send illegals home. I wish they had enough compassion for citizen taxpayers to look out for our interests first.

    Constitutional conservatives are looking for someone they can believe in. We need a patriot who understands the benefits of freedom and personal responsibility. These guys who believe in government programs and targeted tax advantages are going to continue to plunge this country into the toilet.

    Meanwhile, voters in this country are looking for someone who is “likeable” to elect. I cringe. Such is the depth of our Nation’s consciousness. I fear for our future.

  19. Doug Deal says:

    John,

    My family are all Republican voters, except my brother’s wife. None of them like Hucakbee and think he is running for preacher, not President. I am the youngest of 6, and all of my siblings have children, and all but one is married.

    The difference is that my family lives in Florida and Ohio, not the bible belt. People in other parts of the country get seriously turned off by bible thumping. Whether Huckabee is one or not will not matter, as that is what the Democrats will turn him into and embarassing questions like “Do you think evolution is real?” will creap into reporters questions.

    He may very well win the third of Republican voters who care only about abortion and religious credentials and win the nomination by a pluralty, but he will lose virtually every independent and get beaten worse than any Republican in history in the General election.

    Maybe this is what the Republicans need. To be taken to the woodshead in a Presidential race, so the anti-Reagan counter revolution can end early.

  20. eburke says:

    In January 1980, all the establishment of the Republican Party were on board with Connally or Howard Baker. They portrayed Reagan as being kookey and marginalized him as being a b-movie actor. However he caught fire with the working man and built a winning coalition. The establishment has pretty much destroyed the Republicans by there grab for power and win at all stakes regardless of what is good for the country.
    That a candidate is not “republican” enough might be a good thing.

  21. debbie0040 says:

    Mike Huckabee is no Ronald Reagan by a long shot.

    Doug Deal is right. I work with people that are Republican voters and they said they would never vote for Huckabee even if it meant Hillary would win. They said sometimes it is better to destroy something then rebuild it back…

    I next expect to see the Huckster taking a photo op riding around in a tank…

  22. Goldwater Conservative says:

    Politics is a business Hank. Do you really think any of the interests that are important to the survival and stability of this country will allow Paul to be on the ballot in November? It costs money to run campaigns and get elected…the invests will be made in the campaigns that will allow a point on access into public policy and administration…which is why this idea of change is naive, it will still be D.C. Sure paul may make the ballot…he will not be in the WH next January.

  23. Icarus says:

    Since this is an open thread, I’ll post this here.

    Have no idea and am too lazy to look up if this guy got elected or not:

  24. Doug Deal says:

    Debbie, I am not saying that they would vote for Hillary, but they will not be enthusiastic about having to vote for Huckabee, and lots of independents will not be as well. The “independent” voter is where Presidential elections are won and lost.

    Reving up evangelicals with too much in your face religion is a loser strategy in the long term. Even if Huckabee changes his campaign for the general election, it will still be in the minds of the non religious and privately religious voters in November, and the Republican ticket is doomed.

    Why would Catholics, who make up the largest percentage of voters in swing states, vote for an evangelical baptist who is more likely to accuse them of going to hell than anything else?

  25. debbie0040 says:

    Human Events endorses Fred:

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=24398

    We begin by recalling the profound words of Ronald Reagan at the Conservative Political Action Conference Feb. 15, 1975: “A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency or simply to swell its numbers.” We believed that then, and we believe it now. The issue for us — and for the conservative community — boils down to which of the candidates is most representative of the fundamental conservative principles we believe in. The answer is Fred Thompson.

  26. Tea Party says:

    Goldwater Conservative- I think you have pointed out the issue clearly, business as usual. Sadly, the band played on as the great ship sank slowly into the cold water.

    Frankly, the systems and processes that have lead this great Nation to this point are too far entrenched to be ‘changed.’ Keeping the status quo is usually good for business.

    How can this Country survive and be stable as our power diminishes vis-a-vis enormous debt service, aging population, etc. without change?

    When China flexes its’ muscles in Taiwan and we are powerless or any other ugly scenario occurs worldwide, people will look back angrily and say
    ‘They could have changed this.”

    The time is right now for a fundamental change in America.

    Complacency is one contingency our Founding Fathers did not anticipate. Save for present company, the average American is too busy working, raising kids, and trying to make it all work to be engaged in the political process.

  27. debbie0040 says:

    My co-workers never said they would vote for Hillary. They would vote third party. I told them that would be in essence like voting for Hillary and they disagreed.

    The ticket is doomed with Huckabee. If he is the nominee, I will vote for him.

  28. Still Looking says:

    Huckabee is proving he has national appeal. He’s doing suprisingly well in Michigan. He certaintly isn’t a regional candidate like Thompson has proven to be.

    Huckabee, dispite his Christian bona fides, doesn’t come across like he is trying to convert you. His political skills and campaign style reach across party lines. If he isn’t the nominee, he would be an asset as VP.

  29. Of course this will be a tough race. As was pointed out last night at a meeting, this is the first time in 80 years there hasn’t been a President or a VP seeking the nomination. It is a wide open field.

    A Huckabee candidacy is great for the Party. Some of our brothers have driven this country into a deep financial debt, 10 Trillion is a lot of zeros. Our manufacturing infra-structure has been parted off and shipped overseas. Three of the five candidates were all serving under this run up in BIG government, and you have the audacity to criticize Huckabee for building roads and improving schools??

    I don’t think a person’s faith is going to be a factor or a detractor. Only in a minority of the population will that factor in. The mainstream of America wants to see results, lower taxes and less government.

    Incidentally, while listening to Rush for a couple of minutes, I thought I heard the talk master saying Huckabee supporters weren’t really Republicans? That is certainly news to me… I guess my 40 plus years of working with legislators’ campaigns and sitting in Republican conventions, organizing local parties and recruiting candidates isn’t Republican. hmmmm

  30. Goldwater Conservative says:

    Tea Party

    If the U.S. reestablishes it credit we will survive. When the leader of our country forged evidence to go to war…we lost international credit. There are a couple other issues similar to this that have driven down our political capital world-wide. China is the real “paper-tiger.” Businesses like Wal-Mart keep them in business…and they are losing their political capital. In these matters, Tea Party, you have got to think about the markets…not a gold standard (which would absolutely make the U.S. a second teir financial market). The U.S. defaulting on any of its debts can quite literally cause tragedies in some foreign markets. Not to mention the amount of foreign aid that we divy out and how much our nation has invested in foreign markets. Our markets are the most important and most valuable on earth. Federalist and I spent a lot of time writing about and investigating the possibilites of our nations global financial dominance as our method of diplomacy. We met with Henry Kissinger when we were at Harvard and discussed this extensively….with no objections.

    Einstein once said that he was not sure with which weapons WWIII was fought, but he was certain that WWIV would be fought with sticks and stones. Economics will just as likely be the weapon of choice in WWIII as nuclear weapons. There is less destruction and death…allowing more infrastructure to seize.

  31. Hank Reardan says:

    Goldwater
    I do no believe he will win the race. I just believe he will be on the ballot either as a Libertarian or under another party. We need people like Paul to help shift the debate towards freedom. I tell you Paul does need as much money (even though he is raising it) as the others because his volunteers are such much more active.
    Also as a Goldwater type I would think you would be a paul supporter ( I believe his son endorsed Ron Paul).

  32. Still Looking says:

    It is hard for me to imagine that Michigan can be a good state for Romney. The economy stinks with a 7.4% unemployment – worst in the country. There are 180,000 properties in tax default in Wayne County alone. And Romney represents the managerial class in big union state.

    Huckabee’s line about – people wanting to vote for somebody like they work with and not not the person that laid them off – is going to eat up Romney.

    If Democrats can crossover in Michigan, McCain and Huckabee are going to have a field day. Ron Paul might get some of the “blowback” too.

  33. shep1975 says:

    Let me say it right here and now to be clear, I DON’T WANT ANOTHER RONALD REAGAN.

    No great leader is ever successfully copied. There has not been another TR, another Lincoln, another Jackson, Jefferson or Washington.

    I want a candidate for President who, for more than a generation after their election, Republican candidates will try to claim their mantel. Anyone who says they are the next RWR will be anything but because Reagan never claimed to be anything but himself.

    Rollins was 100% correct, and we need to take a clue from Reagan and look towards the future rather that try to resurrect our former leader. It’s funny that the party of the man who defeated Communism is doing the same thing that the Communist Politburos did with their greatest leaders, but them on display and reach into the past to invoke their memories as times of glory.

    Well, since 1980, most of the Reagan Democrats have retired or seen their jobs move to Mexico (Reagan was a NAFTA supporter). If they were 40 when RWR was elected, they’re 68 now.

    The young idealists that surrounded Reagan, the college students and young Republicans that flocked to him and provided the foot soldiers of the Reagan revolution are now more worried about if they can retire in 10 years when they reach 65.

    Revolutions don’t last, and they are not supposed to. Two things happen to Revolutions…they either effect a long-lasting change in the fundamentals of society or they fail. In addition, most leaders of the revolution either never see the leadership role they hope for (Barry Goldwater) or are absorbed and destroyed by it (Newt Gingrich).

    A few of you actually heard my speech at the last State Party Convention in Gwinnett. I said in that speech that we have a destiny to choose as a party. Reagan understood the American people had a rendezvous with destiny and he was the answer that time, that place, and that calling. One thing that seems common about all great leaders through history is they understood the calling of destiny, for good or for evil.

    Caesar, Lincoln, Churchill, and Reagan all understood and felt that history had called them to that time and place for that mission. I doubt any of the current field on the GOP side fills that way, even my pick, the Huckster.

    But on our side, we have to be intellectually honest. Goldwater, Reagan and Gingrich gave us the tools and proved to us how they work for freedom. We need to stop looking back at a time that will never be again for all of the answers for today. Thousands of young Americans are turning out in droves, displaying the kinds of emotions you see at rock concerts or religious revivals, where ever Obama appears. This scares me. Maybe the youth vote won’t make a difference…it rarely does, but are we (and I’m really talking to you baby boomers and older Gen Xers) abandoning the next generation who grew up under Bill Clinton to the Democrats?

    I was 5 when Reagan took office in 1981. I never voted for him, but I remember him and the effect that he will always have on me as his America shaped and left a lasting impression on my outlook on life. If you were 5 when Bill Clinton took office, you’re 20 and probably attending Obama rallies today.

    Reagan captured the youth (something else the establishment scoffed at in those days) and they carried his ideals into the Gingrich Revolution of the 1990’s, but a generation and 1/2 has past since Reagan led that charge. Some of those youth from then are grandparents now.

    We should not blame Rollins for where he is right, but restore our focus. The ideals Reagan embodied were not ones created by Reagan or Goldwater. Neither of them were true revolutionary leaders, but individuals who made their mark in our nation’s history by reminding us that we are children of a much older and much greater Revolution. If we are to carry on the freedom and liberty that was established by that Revolution; that all men are free; that all men are equal; that government gets its rights from the governed rather than the governed gets its rights from the government; and the government that governs best, governs least.

    That’s what’s at stake here in 2008 as you debate someone who died four years ago. We do not need to be looking for the second coming of Ronald Reagan. Reagan will not in return, descending from Heaven with the trumpet’s call. Reagan’s time has come and gone and I am frankly tired of Republican candidates, like some badly portrayed Jacob Marley in a high school production of A Christmas Carol telling the Republican base that we can only be redeemed by the ghosts of Reagan Past, Reagan Present and Reagan Future.

    Thompson has voted right, but where is the movement he’s lead?

    Paul has voted right, but where is the movement he’s led?

    McCain hasn’t even always voted right, much less led a movement.

    Rudy and the Huckster were right some times and wrong at other times, but at least Huckabee got people to lose weight.

    Romney has been every way; right, wrong, left, up, down, straight ahead and forward in reverse. He’s led the Olympics, something even Bill Campbell could do.

    Now that I have said my piece and my lunch break is over so I’ll let you all carry on the debate, but if the GOP wants to continue to focus on the past glories rather than bringing the true meaning of the Revolution these men embodied, then expect to having disappointing candidates and disappointing elections for a long time to come.

  34. jsm says:

    Huckabee, dispite his Christian bona fides, doesn’t come across like he is trying to convert you. His political skills and campaign style reach across party lines.

    Yep. He’s reaching so far that he might as well admit he’s a pro-life democrat. Can you say F-D-R?

    Let me say it right here and now to be clear, I DON’T WANT ANOTHER RONALD REAGAN.

    Shep’s right. We keep hearing about change. We need a leader with NEW ideas, a respect for those who have made positive change in the past, a clear understanding of what was imperfect about those changes, and plans for how to enact changes that are even better.

    In addition, maybe this is the year we finally change conventional wisdom about who wins nominations, how candidates are nominated, and how elections are won. It’s time. We, the People, need to break free from the media’s guiding effect on elections.

  35. DoubleDawg3 says:

    I find it ironic that there are so many people who comment here that are concerned with the fact that Mike Huckabee isn’t “Ronald Reagan Redux”…the simple fact of the matter is that these people would say the exact same thing about Ronald Reagan himself if he were alive and running for President as an unkown. Times and politics have changed since the 1980’s…it’s a little tacky to knock a candidate for not being the next “Ronald Reagan” when the simple fact remains that there hasn’t been, and likely never will be, any candidate that these critics would ever hold in high enough esteem to deem worthy of the Ronald Reagan title.

    As for those who feel a Huckabee nomination would divide the Republican party…the same thing can be said for Mitt Romney and Rudy Guiliani. While moderate Republicans might threaten not to vote for Huckabee if he’s the nominee, I can assure you that just as many conservative Republicans have the same thoughts about Romney and Guiliani. Plus, with the GOP Convention Delegates distributed in the manner they are, these “Bible Belt” states get the most delegates at the Convention, so don’t be surprised that the candidates who are going to do well in the Southern states generate a lot of the media buzz.

    The truth is, this is likely the most talented Republican field in a long, long time…everyone of us has our particular horse in the race and they’re all good candidates. I just think Huckabee has probably got the biggest target on his head right now, of all the candidates, b/c his campaign is taking off and is starting to resonate with the average voter.

    One final point…as to the earlier quote about “likeability” being an overrated character trait, I completely disagree. Lets be honest, having a President that the American public has personal confidence, trust and belief in is EXTREMELY important. Bill CLinton is proof of this (I disagree with Bill Clinton on virtually every political issue, but the guy was charismatic and he connected with the average person and people loved him b/c of it). This might just be my opinion, but I think our nation is more prosperous when we’re united under a leader that a clear majority of citizens believe in and like. Just my two cents.

  36. Big Al says:

    Let’s keep a focus on the real issues. Who is going to stop the killing of our future citizens? Who is going to support personal property rights? Who is going to support returning eduction to the parents – school choice? Who is going to focus government on the limits of the constitution and turn around the nanny state? Who is going to cut spending and free our children from the debt of the past? Who is going to stand strong for personal responsibility and fix social security and stop socialized health care? Who is going to stand immovable for traditional marriage and family?

    Duncan Hunter is the only one who ranks high on most of these – oh well. Huck is great on the moral issues and mediocre at best on the fiscal. McCain is a loose cannon doing whatever – who knows. Thompson is fair but older than dirt and might not live through the election. Mit is worse than McCain. Rudy is a complete loser on the moral/social issues. Huck wins by a landslide of one grain of sand.

  37. debbie0040 says:

    Huckabee is being attacked because he is the front runner and because of his record.

    His campaign rhetoric does not match his record.

    Do you really think this nation will be united under Huckabee? Get real…

    Under 30% Republican support is not a clear majority of Americans.

    By the way, I am a conservative and I don’t like Huckabee. He will get my vote if he is the nominee, but I prefer Rudy, Mitt or John McCain over him…

  38. Big Al says:

    DoubleDawg3 is right, though, about Huck’s ability to charm and lead a “movement”. His record is not stellar but it is fair and consistent – therefore predictable. AND, more importantly, it is principled and not prone to move with the polls. As I said – He wins, as a package, by a narrow margin.

  39. debbie0040 says:

    The huckster is not a fiscal conservative. Huckabee believes government is the solution , not the problem.

    Under Huckabee, the nanny state will have much more power.

    “He believes in taxpayer funded programs for illegals as he did in Arkansas. He has the endorsement the National Education Association and the NEA said it was because of his opposition to vouchers. He said he would sign a bill that banned smoking nationwide, so much for federalism. So much for state’s rights. So much for individual rights.”

  40. debbie0040 says:

    If Huckabee is the nominee, I can just see the ads the Dems will run. The Dems will demolish the Huckster…

  41. Doug Deal says:

    DD,

    Plus, with the GOP Convention Delegates distributed in the manner they are, these “Bible Belt” states get the most delegates at the Convention, so don’t be surprised that the candidates who are going to do well in the Southern states generate a lot of the media buzz.

    The facts do not favor you…

    http://www.republicansource.com/states/georgia.htm

    Plug in California, Ohio, Florida, New York, Illinois and Pennsylvania and even Massachusetts (non bibble belt states) , then South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, and Tennessee and see where the delegates are.

  42. Big Al says:

    I’m not saying for a moment that Huck is ideal. I would love to see him fiscally tougher. He certainly doesn’t think government is the solution but he is more apt to see a partnership where I would like to see exclusive individual responsibility. However, each one is a mixed bag. You pick what is important after you eliminate what is impossible for you to support (poisonous). When you list the bad things and good things about each candidate the only one that seems to beat Huck is Duncan Hunter and he is out.

  43. Grits says:

    Mike Huckabee is the only Republican candidate who has a shot at defeating the Democrats in November. He is articulate, well grounded, a proven leader, has a radiate personality with a great sense of humor and is a true compassionate conservative. He will set a vision for America that will point us up. He will bring America together (the vertical politics that he talks about), no liiberal or conservative, but centered on what is right for our nation.

  44. IndyInjun says:

    Shep wrote:

    “….at least Huckabee got people to lose weight.”

    Real Republicans are not so interested in getting people to lose weight as getting the GOVERNMENT to lose weight.

    Ron Paul is the only GOP candidate promising that which is CENTRAL to Republicanism and you guys are supporting the BIGGEST GOVERNMENT man in the party.

    Amazing!

    Debbie – I salute your tireless efforts to strip away all illusions about Hackabee. I NEVER thought we would be so alike in our opinions. You echo GOP stalwarts Noonan, Gold, Buckley, and Will who have written that the GOP must be purged and rebuilt.

    FT is the only other candidate I can support other than Ron Paul.

    The rest of ’em stand for the destruction of America.

    I don’t.

  45. Big Al says:

    Ron Paul is a lot like Neal Boortz – right on the issues and naturally born to break, not build, coalitions.

    The destruction of America is not an exclusive goal of the Democrats. The Republicans have been their own worst enemy for 7 years on the spending front.

    Greed crosses party lines.

    Ron Paul, Duncan Hunter, and Huckabee are the only ones that seem strong enough to resist on this front – leaving Huck as the only one with a chance.

  46. shep1975 says:

    Debbie doesn’t echo, she just re-posts what Noonan, Will, Limbaugh, etc have to say.

    Indy, if that’s all you got out of the post, about Huckabee losing weight, I feel very sorry for you.

    Ron Paul has had decades to build a movement behind him and he can’t get more than 10% anywhere he goes. As I said, he voted right, but is not an agent of change. He might as well just stay in the back row of the Congress, where he belongs as the GOP version of Dennis Kucinich.

    The fring he attracts are those that don’t understand you don’t need to just think right to change a nation, but have the ability to motivate a majority (or at least a sizable plurality) of citizens to action.

    In Iowa and NH, it seemed Dems came out 2:1 to the GOP for their contests. That means Paul is motivating 10% of 1/3 of interested voters or 3.3% of interested voters. Sometimes it’s not the message, it’s who’s carrying it.

    Ideas, even great ideas, are like cars, they need to be sold (if you don’t believe that, I’ll give you a copy of a little book called “the Federalist Papers”).

    Reagan could do that. Paul obviously can’t.

  47. IndyInjun says:

    Shep:

    You seem incapable of holding to any principles whatsoever, unlike Ron Paul.

    The folks you champion have done more damage in 7 years than the Dems did in 40. Ron Paul was the only guy with the courage to withstand the onslaught of the corruptors.

    Hackabee is more of the same disastrous politics as those illustrious CONSERVATIVE writers point out.

    You wish to point us out as divisive, but it is YOU who have strayed and it is you who destroy the party and this country.

    If it comes down to voting for Hillary or Obama to clean out the detritous of the GOP establishment SO BE IT.

  48. Bill Simon says:

    “Ron Paul is a lot like Neal Boortz – right on the issues and naturally born to break, not build, coalitions”

    So true…and, in the case of Paul, his voice is not quite the voice of a president. It’s not deep enough. This country doesn’t take to high squeaky voices too well.

  49. IndyInjun says:

    Bill Simon:

    That door to reality you opened had a high-pitched squeak.

    Do sheep naturally follow a deep-voiced shepherd?

    Alas, the answer is “yes.”

  50. debbie0040 says:

    Shep , I can see why you Hucksters don’t like what I post. You would prefer that only flattering information about Huckabee was posted.

    The truth will come out. Huckabee is a RINO. He was re-elected in Arkansas because he governs like a Democrat.

    Just because you are pro life and shout Jesus and tout your Christianity at every chance doesn’t make you a conservative.

    Jimmy Carter gave many interviews about what a devout Southern Baptist he was and that he was a Christian.

    Huckabee will do more to destroy the GOP than Hillary even thought about doing…

    Huckabee, at the moment, has around 30% of the GOP vote. That is not enough to get elected. When others drop out, the Huckster will not get their supporters vote. It will be anybody but Huckabee..

    I like you more and more everyday, Indy Injun

  51. debbie0040 says:

    The Democrats want Huckabee to be the GOP nominee. Remember that interview with Susan Estrich where she if Huckabee were the GOP nominee she would be dancing ?

  52. IndyInjun says:

    Debbie:

    They just don’t get it.

    If I were in Sanford Stadium for a football game and suddenly a team dressed in black and gold exploded from the tunnel, led by an old jalopy instead of a short-legged fat dog, I would boo loudly.

    My team switched colors and I don’t recognize them anymore.

    Sorry Bill S…………….

  53. liberator says:

    Don’t forget the Ron Paul Rally Feb 2nd at the State Capitol. Paul is the only true conservative in the race. Huckabee is a terrible combination of big government liberal on economic issues and nanny state theocrat on personal freedom issues.

  54. Somewhere in one of these threads, they get too long for the ADD eyes, a slam against Huckabee was posted about this election charting the course for the “heart and soul” of the Republican Party…. That Huckabee was the worst thing since exlax.

    Well, I found an interesting website hosted by the Feds that you can check the national debt by specific dates.

    Feb 1, 1993 4,176,491,860,224.29

    Jan. 1, 2001 5,662,216,013,697.37

    Jan. 11, 2008 9,198,377,804,543.39

    This doesn’t look too good for our Party. This the whole reason the Republican congress waa dismantled in 2006. If this is the heart and soul of the Party, you’re sipping some seriously messed up juice.

    Fred Thompson, John McCain and Dr. Paul all served under this runup in “limited fiscally responsible government”….. And you want to criticize Huckabee?

  55. IndyInjun says:

    JK –

    Bear in mind that I started out totally opposed to all of the others and prepared to vote 3rd party if Dr. Paul is not the GOP nominee or perhaps even Dem to achieve the necessary purge of the party.

    ALL of the others wish to continue or expand war without paying for it. The Iraq fiasco will cost $19 grand per capita, borrowed from the Chinese.(the legit criteria for war fit PAKISTAN – the reason I went hostile in 2002 along with Ron Paul)

    The USA is dying before our very eyes and most here on PP are like UGA cheerleaders oblivious to the fact that “their” team is suddenly wearing black and gold.

    Thompson is at least talking about the financial situation. McCain has been a spending hawk outside of the Iraq war, but that is like straining a gnat while swallowing a camel. The rest are clearly opportunists and big government people who in no manner are fiscal conservatives.

    Folks who have read their Bibles, know history, and know economics are all trembling in fear of what we have wrought and our helplessness at changing course.

    We are like the Romans in the final days.

    Carry on, oh supporters of the Deceivers. Carry on. Just remember that the dictatorial powers you lavished on GWB will soon be in hostile hands.

  56. shep1975 says:

    And Indy, like many of his supporters, who have become more of an albatross around his neck, you do Paul even more discredit with personal attacks seeking to divide rather than build.
    You’re understanding of how a Democratic-Republic works is pretty appalling. Building coalitions is how this government has worked. I hold the simple principles of freedom and liberty and limited government. But I’m also realistic enough to know you can’t just force on people what they don’t know or don’t understand. Are you a dictator or leader Indy?

    Do you shove your “principles” down the throats of others or do you win them to your side? I have seen only the latter here, but you are passionate about principles that should be so ingrained in the American mind that people only need to be reminded of them.

    That was what made Ronald Reagan great, he reminded us what it meant to be Americans and that America can be great again. Ron Paul doesn’t do that.

    Huckabee has the support of most conservatives because he knows how to articulate the conservative principles he stands for. While most of those are social conservative principles, that’s what many southerners hold most dear. The fact of the matter is most Southerners hold socially conservative ideas as more important than economic ones.

    Just because you hold economics more important than social doesn’t make you better or more right. Huckabee is in the lead in the South because the average Southerner does not trust the records of people like Rudy, Mitt and McCain, the other front runners.

    Thompson was supposed to be seen as the bridge that could link social and economic conservatives and what did they try to do to him early one, but try to show he wasn’t as socially conservative as he and his supports claimed to be. When Fred made himself a second tier candidate by his own lack of enthusiasm, most of the Fred support (except for Debbie) went to Huckabee with the compromise of, “I’d rather get half of what I want than nothing at all.”

    I’m not compromising my principles Indy, but I’m not going to starve to death because someone can only offer me half an apple than a whole apple.

    Dictators, both fascists and communists like to talk about purges. Which are you Indy, because all dictators talk freedom (go listen to Hugo Cheves) and purges as well?

  57. IndyInjun says:

    Shep –

    You read wrong. I have always known that you guys have no principles – certainly not the ones found in the Contract with America, the GOP platform, and many renditions of a party creed – and would reject Ron Paul, the only man who DOES.

    Ron Paul was the only man who could get me to vote GOP in 2008 after a lifetime of voting for your totally corrupt party.

    YOU are a fake and a deceiver. No one of character can be a GOP “leader” and make excuses for the officialdom the way you do.

    I have listed many times here the complete assault on CONSERVATISM by the GOP and not once have been offered any substantive rebuttal.

    The American people are about to PURGE you at the ballot box in the manner that the great conservative writers have prescribed.

    Hillary is a better American than you are.

  58. IndyInjun says:

    I could scarcely believe my ears when Britt Hume asked Ron Paul why he overreacted to the other candidates support of the USN’s passive response to the Iranian motorboats.

    Hume should be fired.

  59. Hank Reardan says:

    Shep1975
    You guys have had the chance to reach out and bring the Libertarian back with this Ron paul campaign. Instead we have been beat over the head by the old guard, I have yet to see on this website or another the GOp reaching out to Libertarians. I do not think Paul will win but if this was a test for the gop to see if you guys are big tent. You have failed.
    Two things could happen. You hardcore gop guys could come out and talk with us
    or # 2
    When Paul relizes he is not getting a fair shot and goes back to the Libertarin party he will take people with him and you will the chance to get guys like me to work within the gop.
    You guys have a chance of a lifetime lets see what you do with it.

  60. GOPeach says:

    Hank-

    The ONE ISSUE the GOP left Ron Paul was on the war. I am really sorry about that too.

    I LOVE RON PAUL on Economics! And I know that war and economics go hand in hand. But we need to be victorious and finish the mission.

  61. Hank Reardan says:

    GOPeach
    I understand. I just wish the Republicans would take this chance to welcome back the Libertaerians. I am not asking anyone open thier arms to Ron Paul but to relize you have a chance to work with Libertarians going forward because most ofvus are not going to change either. But if we felt welcome maybe we would stay after our short visit with the GOP ( God knows yall need the help). Or I could go back to working on Libertarian campaign and pull our 3-8% which has cost you election here in Georgia and in other states ( I believe two US Senate seats in the past cycle). I agree about 75% with the GOP and only about 25% with the Dems.
    I am not asking you guys to accept our philospy just be more accepting of us the people. You dont have to vote For Ron Paul but you also dont have to try to tear him apart as a party ( I believe campaigns should be able to do that just not at the party level)

  62. John Konop says:

    GoPeach

    The problem as I see it is containment of the Middle East and getting off the need of their oil is a better goal. Violence in Iraq is down because we now recognize local control. As many of you know I recommended this years ago.

    This problem with this containment strategy is it is not a long term solution. The idea that we will somehow be victorious convincing tribes in the Middle East that have been killing each other since 700AD to form a government that respects minority rights is naive at best.

    We must realize we can contain the situation at best but having long term military on Muslim soil does not help the situation. This is the concept of BLOWBACK , agreed on by most military experts.

    ‘….”There is no military solution to a problem like that in Iraq, to the insurgency of Iraq,” Petraeus told a news conference, adding that political negotiations were crucial to forging any lasting peace…..

    http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/08/iraq.petraeus/index.html

    We must go back to quick strikes with Special Forces if needed and stop being the policemen of the world. We cannot force tribes to stop hating each other! Nation building has never worked long term.

  63. TrueConservative says:

    Mike Huckabee has never been rude to Ron Paul. Only the candidates backed by the GOP establishment have. I agree, Ron Paul deserved better. I don’t agree on his view on the war, but he is on the money on a lot of things. Ron is a true pro-life Christian…

  64. Bill Simon says:

    Maurice,

    Serving “under” the government at the time of a run-up in the debt does NOT mean they supported it.

    Don’t go blaming sh*t about the government on individuals who count as one voice and one vote within a class of 500+ people.

    Huckabee was THE man in charge of the budget for Arkansas and had veto power. Neither McCain nor Thompson had anything closely resembling “veto power.”

    If you don’t start wising-up and demonstrate you did not sleep through your CLI classes, I’m going to come down there and give you a pop-quiz on how your government works. 🙂

  65. GOPeach says:

    John:

    I believe there is a way to leave Iraq with HONOR. We could refine the mission statement in a language that would make what we have done so far as being victorious. It sounds simple but we must remain patriots! We must have American dignity.

  66. John Konop says:

    GoPeach

    This is what we are dealing with.

    The End of Christianity in Iraq

    Iraq Constitution: Bad news for Christians

    …..The most troubling phrase in the new Iraqi Constitution is as follows: “No law can be passed that contradicts the undisputed rules of Islam.” The only undisputed rules in Islam are those found in their holy book, the Quran. Muslims believe that the Quran is the literal word of God and that it was relayed to the prophet Muhammad by the Archangel Gabriel. It is certainly not my right to question the legitimacy of another’s religion, but it is an irrefutable duty to report, accurately, on its view of Christians and Jews.

    According to the Quran, “The only true faith in God’s sight is Islam. (Q 3:19)” A few verses later, this holy book teaches, “He that chooses a religion over Islam, it will not be accepted from him and in the world to come he will be one of the lost. (Q 3:86)” The followers of Christianity have, clearly, chosen a religion over Islam and are, therefore, considered infidels and idolaters by members of the Islamic faith. This automatically puts them in grave danger in any Islamic society, as the Quran dictates that followers of Islam may “Slay them wherever you find them. Drive them out of the places from which they drove you. Idolatry is worse than carnage. (Q 2:190-3)”…….

    http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/the-end-of-christianity-in-iraq

  67. GOPeach says:

    Hank:

    I agree with you. I believe Ron Paul has revealed to the GOP how hard Libertarians work and how passionate they are in the political process. I admire the fire in the belly -types. After all – this is AMERICA!!!

  68. GOPeach says:

    John-

    I hear ya. I think we need to say that we have enjoyed getting to know you fine folks now we must get back home and build a fence.

  69. Bill, I have absolutely no problem with problemsolving, rebuilding infra-structure. Sure the man could use veto power. Sure the man could have duplicated a legislative session like Georgia had last year and is setting itself up with this year.

    The man tackled problem issues, even our illustrious former President didn’t. From all reports I’ve seen he zeroed in on the problem and fixed it.

    Are there going to be disgruntled members, of course. Who’s complaining? A literal handfull, and some political pimps. 59% of Arkansas Republicans support the governor. How on God’s green earth is anti-conservative, anti-Republican?

    CLI taught to lead with principles. It also taught that there was a time to build consensus and get the job done. From my handbook and studies he did.

    Regarding the serial rapist story: That was a horrible error in judgement, however, I don’t think that is a disqualifier.

    I know that ONE man can make a difference, a huge difference. 535 members of congress, that’s not that many people. Remember Newt? Remember Bob Dornan, Duncan Hunter and others utilizing Special Minutes to build momentum for the Contract With America?

    Where was Fred Thompson??? Where was John McCain??? Both talk of their fiscal conservatism, but the reality is, they’ve blown the budget without utilizing their voice.

  70. Additionally, consider one of our own dead weitght government entities GDOT. This organization is inept at best. Mercer University Dr. is a state highway. GDOT for the past 5 years has been working on widening a mile to 2 mile stretch, 5 years. And it still ain’t done. They work a week, off for a month. It is ridiculous. Common sense would say the cost element alone is driving up expenses.

  71. Bill Simon says:

    Maurice,

    I don’t believe John McCain can be labeled as being “apathetic” about how the federal legislative process has worked.

    I think John McCain should be nicknamed “Scrappy” since he has been scrapping with the powers-that-be for a long time.

    “Powers-that-be” being the establishment Republicans lke Bush et al.

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