Here’s your Iowa Open Thread

by Erick on January 3, 2008

Huck and Obama.

wow.

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January 4, 2008 at 3:29 pm

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shep1975 January 4, 2008 at 4:35 pm

Truthfully Debbie, I am a huge Star Trek fan(there, I’m out of the closet). I actually do feel envious of Erick’s photo shoot, especially if he got to keep the shirt. I was at one time a dues paid member of the Star Wars Fan Club (I really only did that to get the free poster of Princess Leia in the gold bikini).

I own on DVD the LOTR and Matrix sets and (don’t tell whats-her-name in Gwinnett) all 5 Harry Potter movies.

Finally, I can quote Monty Python’s Holy Grail by heart.

Yes, I am a geek concerning my entertainment choices, but at least I dress well…according to Vernon Jones.

shep1975 January 4, 2008 at 5:08 pm

By the way, anyone wonder if Hillary would accept the VP spot if Obama asked?

rugby_fan January 4, 2008 at 5:08 pm

“Truthfully Debbie, I am a huge Star Trek fan(there, I

Bill Simon January 4, 2008 at 5:37 pm

Shep,

Yeah, but WHICH of the Star Trek series? The original (and the best), or these pseudo by-product versions ad infinitum of the brand “Star Trek?”

Still Looking January 4, 2008 at 5:41 pm

HRC now has to adopt a Rudi strategy: Hang on until Florida and Super Tuesday. In the three weeks between NH and Super Tuesday, she has to be more precise on the issues, move to the left, stay positive and form some sort of emotional bond. It ain

StevePerkins January 4, 2008 at 5:50 pm

Yes, I am a geek concerning my entertainment choices, but at least I dress well

shep1975 January 4, 2008 at 6:00 pm

Not a bow tie. I’m not Van Detta!

Bill, not a fan of Enterprise or Deep Space 9. The original crew and the Next Generation crew.

shep1975 January 4, 2008 at 6:03 pm

Still…does she have to form a bond or just an impression? Retail campaigning is over with NH. Soon it will be all about smoke and mirrors.

debbie0040 January 4, 2008 at 6:44 pm

I liked the Kill Bill movies, too. Women like movies where women beat up men :)

Jason, I liked those movies and I am not a geek…

I even like the Spider Man Movies …

Did anyone see a movie called Galaxy Quest?

shep1975 January 4, 2008 at 6:47 pm

I wasn’t crazy about Spiderman 3.

You mean the movie with Tim Allen? Sure. A girl I went to high school with is in it.

debbie0040 January 4, 2008 at 6:47 pm

I did not like Spider 3 either.

Which character was she?

shep1975 January 4, 2008 at 6:59 pm

don’t remember her character’s name. She was one of the aliens.

shep1975 January 4, 2008 at 7:04 pm

We were both in the drama club at Germantown High School in Tennessee. She was a senior and I was a freshman. No chance she even knew of my existance.

GOPeach January 4, 2008 at 10:28 pm

Debbie Dear,

You and I are just not on the same page are we????

You said -

Huckabee will not be the nominee. He won Iowa, but the rest of the country is different.

PEACH – WRONG! He already has South Carolina – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu92PQAwLkk

I think that Hillary will win the Democratic nomination.

PEACH : NO WAY!!! Going down in flames

I am sure Romney will notch it up quite a bit with the negative ads against the Huckster and so will the talk shows and conservative columnists.

PEACH: That will bite his little fanny.

I am glad Thompson did well enough to stay in. He is looking at South Carolina now.

PEACH: Don’t count on it.

If Thompson does not have a good showing in South Carolina, then he will probalby drop out. He will endorse McCain but most of Thompson

Maurice Atkinson January 4, 2008 at 11:08 pm

Shep, if Obama is the nominee and he does tap Clinton as his veep it would be like Kennedy and Johnson. Those two hated each other with a passion, which left suspicion to this day.

I really think Huck is in great shape. As long as he keeps doing what he’s doing and the ground troops doing what we’re doing it will be sweet.

Romegaguy January 4, 2008 at 11:11 pm

Huckabee’s win in Iowa yesterday is as meaningful in the long term as Pat Robertson’s win there in 88.

ConservativeCaucus January 4, 2008 at 11:56 pm

lol… Romegaguy. I love it.

Congratulations on parroting the establishment media talking points – Bravo! It has been fun to watch the evolution of the establishment’s take on Huckabee:

- Baptist minister running for President (forget the fact he has a longer career in politics than his time in ministry.

- Nice guy, funny in debates, should drop out and run for the Senate

- Doing well in debates, but will never be more than an asterisk in the polls.

- Okay, well he made 10% in national polls, but that is just a small fringe group of support – it will never translate into electoral success.

- Okay, so he just convincingly beat a better funded, more organized candidate, but he can’t take his message anywhere else. He is a one-hit wonder.

As Huckabee has said, “People have been writing my political obituary for nearly a year now, and I keep hanging around.”

Will Huckabee win… I don’t know. However, I think it is entirely plausible and could make a pretty good case for it.

Oh, and by the way, congratulations on mentioning Robertson’s win in Iowa. Big problem – Bob Dole won that election, not Robertson.

GOPeach January 5, 2008 at 12:29 am

Last night CNN kept saying Huckabee’s supporteres are ALL

” Born-again Christians” over and over and over in order to purposely annoy those who aren’t…. It would be like them saying Romney supporters are ALL Mormons over and over ….. BIG WOOP!!!

Seriously…. Dose CNN think that we are TOTALLY stupid to NOT know what they are doing…. THAT will bite them!

I was just informed THAT alerted ALL the Christians in New Hampshire who ARE ” Born Again Christians” to GO VOTE!

It should be VERY interesting…. and to hear CNN say…. New Hampshire doesn’t have many Born-Again voters… Are they Crazy????

Look at this:

1. Walnut Grove Baptist Church, Rochester, NH
2. All Saints Anglican Church, Concord, NH
3. Barrington Evangelical Free Church, Barrington, NH
4. Bethany Chapel, Manchester, NH
5. Bethany Church, Rye, NH
6. Bethel Assembly of God, Portsmouth, NH
7. Calvary Assembly of God, Hudson, NH
8. Chichester Conservative Congregational Church, Chichester, NH
9. Christ Presbyterian Church, Nashua, NH
10. Christian Believers Fellowship, Somersworth, NH
11. Church Alive, Portsmouth, NH
12. Cornerstone Baptist Church, East Swanzey, NH
13. Covenant Christian Church, Bedford, NH
14. Danville Baptist Church, Danville, NH
15. Durham Evangelical Church, Durham, NH
16. Enfield United Methodist Church, Enfield, NH
17. EXETER UNITED METHODIST CHURCH, EXETER, NH
18. Faith Bible Church, Littleton, NH
19. Faith Lutheran Church, Exeter, NH
20. Fellowship In His Love – Full Gospel, Sandown, NH
21. First Baptist Church, Farmington, NH
22. First Baptist Church, Northwood, NH
23. First Baptist Church, Lebanon, NH
24. First Baptist Church of Exeter, Exeter, NH
25. First Baptist Church of Hudson, Hudson, NH
26. First Baptist Church of Sanbornton, Sanbornton, NH
27. First Congregational Church and Society, Rindge, NH
28. First Congregational Church of Kingston, NH, Kingston, NH
29. Grace Baptist Church, Merrimack, NH
30. Grace Capital Church, Concord, NH

http://www.churchangel.com/newhamp.htm#M

http://www.flockfinder.com/churches_in_new_hampshire.jsp

Never underestimate the Vote of ” Born-Again” Voters!!!!
.

GOPeach January 5, 2008 at 12:30 am

Huckabee NEVER ignored the Christian Vote…
He has reached out to them NO MATTER what PARTY!

Maurice Atkinson January 5, 2008 at 12:53 am

GOPeach, didn’t you get the memo? All Northeastern Yankees are Pagans. Not from what I saw.

maryg2g January 5, 2008 at 4:53 am

To all Huckabee supporters who truly care about U.S. sovereignty, please review this video (less than 1 min.): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_BucPcJrHI . Did you hear who Huckabee named as his foreign policy advisors?

Here’s the essence of that portion of the video: Wolf Blitzer asked Huckabee who his foreign policy advisors are.

RuralDem January 5, 2008 at 11:01 am

“Shep,

Yeah, but WHICH of the Star Trek series? The original (and the best), or these pseudo by-product versions ad infinitum of the brand

debbie0040 January 5, 2008 at 11:06 am

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080105/ap_po/huckabee_credibility

By LIBBY QUAID, Associated Press Writer
Sat Jan 5, 7:19 AM ET

MANCHESTER, N.H. – Republican Mike Huckabee won the Iowa caucuses by campaigning as an honest conservative, yet he has made a series of blunders that raise questions about his credibility.

GOPeach January 5, 2008 at 11:19 am

Maurice-

CNN painted New England like a breeding ground of for the occult. My cousins in Boston wrote me and said they are all going into New Hampshire to help Huckabee to show the media how WRONG they are to say such a thing about them.

GOPeach January 5, 2008 at 11:20 am

CHRISTIANS in NEW HAMPSHIRE UNITE!!!!

GOPeach January 5, 2008 at 11:26 am

Rual Dem-

You are so right about how Republicans should be happy of the IOWA win for HUCKABEE. He has what it takes to win the White House.

Mitt Romney is the GOP’s John Kerry. Flip Flop policy with too much hairspray.

Somone like John Edwards could kick his fanny.
That would be scarry. I would even be tempted to vote for John Edwards…. at least he is not in a CULT.

debbie0040 January 5, 2008 at 11:48 am

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/huckabee_cut_crime_and_taxes.html

Huckabee Cut Crime and Taxes?
January 2, 2008
The truth is that violent crime was higher at the end of his term than when he took office, and he raised taxes more than he cut them.

In the run-up to the Jan. 3 Iowa caucuses, Huckabee is running a TV ad featuring graphics that claim he was “tough on crime” and “brought Arkansas’ crime rate down,” and that he “cut taxes over 90 times as governor.”

In fact, the violent crime rate was higher at the end of his tenure than it was the year he took office. And the tax cuts he claims credit for were minor compared with the large increases he approved, which included an increase in the state sales tax

John Konop January 5, 2008 at 12:42 pm

Debbie,

In your own words can you tell any of us why Rudy has a better record on spending or immigration than Huckabee?

Maurice Atkinson January 5, 2008 at 12:53 pm

“He’s not plastic,” said GOP strategist Greg Mueller. “He speaks American, not Washingtonian. The way he communicates is coming off as a person who understands and can connect with middle America.”

Thats an excellent assessment.

Maurice Atkinson January 5, 2008 at 12:57 pm

shep1975 January 5, 2008 at 2:01 pm

RuralDem,

That’s what I meant, that I really didn’t care for Deep Space 9 or Enterprise, but, as campy as it is, the 1960’s cast (plus their moveis) and the Next Generation cast and their movies are the best.

shep1975 January 5, 2008 at 2:01 pm

That quote sums it up perfectly, Maurice

shep1975 January 5, 2008 at 2:12 pm

John, I think Debbie is a Thompson gal.

GOPeach January 5, 2008 at 7:15 pm

Fred is woulda shoulda coulda.

Sooo go with someone who can actually win now!!!

debbie0040 January 5, 2008 at 9:38 pm

Fred did great tonight!!

I agree with Jason about Star Trek !!

To change the subject again:

Who will win the National Championship Monday?. I say Ohio State.

ConservativeCaucus January 5, 2008 at 11:47 pm

I think LSU will do to Ohio State what Florida did to them last year.

Regarding the FoxNews debate tomorrow night… FoxNews stumbles again by not including Ron Paul. Can anyone make an argument why he shouldn’t be there?

If he isn’t included, then you could make an argument for Rudy not being at the debate (finished below Paul in Iowa) and Fred (Paul polling ahead of Fred in NH). This of course doesn’t even take into account the fact that Paul raised more money than any other GOP candidate this last quarter.

Maurice Atkinson January 6, 2008 at 12:20 am

Pat Buchanan is dead on in his assessment: http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Buchanan:_Reagan_Coalitio/2008/01/05/62035.html

Among the factors he writes which have led to the GOP’s impending downfall:

Iraq. “Parties that march nations into what the people come to see as unnecessary or unwinnable wars face the inevitable consequences.”

Truman suffered those consequences as a result of the Korean conflict as did Lyndon Johnson because of Viet Nam.

Globalism. “With the sole exception of Mike Huckabee” he wrote, “the GOP seems unable to comprehend how throwing U.S. Workers into Darwinian competition with foreigners earning one-fifth or one-tenth their wages impacts the Reagan Democrats now deserting the GOP. A party that used to admonish one and all, ‘There is no free lunch,’ cannot see that free trade is no free lunch.”

None of this means that the GOP is in grave trouble, or that defeat in 2008 is not foreordained, Buchanan admonishes, observing that the Democrats are winning “not because of the superiority of their candidates or ideas but because the Republicans are perceived as failing.”

GOPeach January 6, 2008 at 1:20 am

Here’ s John Edwards in a debate with Mike Huckabee! You must see this!!!! :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWXMWzyDYfA

debbie0040 January 6, 2008 at 8:57 am

Ron Paul should be in the debate. No question that he should.

I thought it was interesting in the debate when the Huckster said that policy could change every year and the debate moderator, Charlie Gibson noted he said that. Of course, Huckabee tried to spin it as that he meant priorities.

Huckabee keeps making these so called mistakes. Can you imagine what he will do if he is the nominee? The Dems will make mincemeat out of the Huckster….

debbie0040 January 6, 2008 at 9:13 am

What Fred Thompson Hasn’t Done

By Chris Davis
Jan 3, 2008

It’s time to wake up, conservatives! It’s time to face the hard truth of the Fred Thompson candidacy for President of the United States , time to take a look at the ugly truth. It’s time to find out just what Fred Thompson hasn’t done as a U.S. Senator from Tennessee .

What Fred Thompson Hasn’t Done (Image: Wenn)

It has become apparent that Senator Fred Thompson has ignored far too many issues during his years in office. He ignored government surpluses by voting for tax cuts that President Bush signed into legislation. Instead of leaving taxes high, he voted to spur economic growth, and help keep the country from depression after the September 11th attacks.

Senator Thompson even had the nerve in 1999 to vote for the Nickles Amendent, an amendment that called for an across-the-board spending cut. He could’ve voted no, allowing Democrats and big spending Republicans to plummet the Social Security Trust Fund. He didn’t.

He also refused to keep Partial Birth Abortion alive, voting in 1999 to kill Partial Birth Abortion, as well as voting in 2000 to kill an amendment that would repeal a ban on privately funded abortions at overseas military facilities. Senator Thompson could’ve chosen to play God, denying a human being the right to LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Rather, he allowed children the chance to participate in the greatest country in the world— America .

There is still even more that Senator Fred Thompson hasn’t done. He chose to ignore the Global Warming alarmist by voting yes in 2002 on drilling in ANWR, and on terminating Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFÉ) standards within 15 months. In 1999, Senator Thompson decided to vote no on an amendment—offered by Senator Jeffords—that would’ve added $62 million to the Energy Department’s solar and renewable energy programs, increasing the pork from Congress. Senator Thompson could’ve kowtowed to the environmental activists by voting to increase CAFÉ standards, voting no on drilling in ANWR, and voting yes on an additional $62 million in pork. He could’ve chosen to stick it to car manufacturers everywhere. He could’ve chosen to keep America more dependent on foreign oil, and he could’ve chosen to stick it to the American taxpayer, but he didn’t.

And it is even more obvious that Senator Fred Thompson has chosen to ignore the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. In 1998, he had the audacity to vote no on a bill that would’ve forced gun dealers to sell handguns with trigger locks, and in 1999, he had the intestinal fortitude to vote no on a Lautenberg Bill that would’ve forced background checks for all firearm sales at gun shows. It’s apparent that Senator Thompson has chosen to side with the rights of the private citizens to keep and bear arms, when he could’ve ignored the Second Amendment to the Constitution.

It’s obvious where Senator Fred Thompson stands on foreign policy, or is it? It’s time to take a closer look at his tarnished record in defense of the homeland. In 1996, he voted to approve the 1996 Defense Appropriations bill. He voted yes, in 1997, overturning line item vetoes of 36 military projects by Bill Clinton, and in 1999, he voted yes on deploying the National Missile Defense System as soon as possible. He even had the gall to vote no on adopting the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty, which would’ve banned nuclear weapons testing six months after ratification by the 44 nations that have nuclear power plants or nuclear research reactors. It is abundantly clear that Senator Fred Thompson could’ve decided to harm America and Americans, but he didn’t, sticking to his principles for a stronger country.

Senator Fred Thompson is no stranger to the law. He has voted yes on repealing federal speed limits, and yes on restricting class-action lawsuits in 1995. In 1996, he voted yes on limiting punitive damages on product liability cases. He also chose to vote to prohibit marriages by members of the same sex in federal law, and provide that no state is required to recognize same-sex marriages performed in other states, defining marriage is between man and a woman.

If that’s not enough, there’s even more. Senator Thompson voted no on capping the punitive damages when patients sued HMO’s, voted no on increasing tobacco restrictions, and voted yes on repealing Clinton ’s ergonomic rules on repetitive stress, making it easier for businesses. He voted no on an increase to minimum wage, and voted yes on a bill that allowed workers to choose between overtime and compensatory time.

And there’s even more. He voted for welfare reform in 1995. He voted yes on a bill, allowing Roth IRAs for retirees. He voted yes on a bill that would provide personal retirement accounts as a supplement to Social Security, and voted yes on a bill that would establish an income tax deduction for Social Security taxes paid by employees and the self-employed. He even voted for a bill that would’ve prohibited burning of the American flag.

And there’s still more. In 2001, he voted against a bill that would’ve spent $448 billion on education and debt reduction to offset the $1.6 trillion tax cut. He voted yes to permit tax-free savings accounts of up to $2000 per child annually to be used for public or private school tuition or other education expenses. He even voted for a motion to invoke cloture on a bill aimed at allowing states to waive certain federal rules normally required in order to use federal school aid, and even voted for a bill to fund abstinence education to reduce pregnancy.

Senator Thompson hasn’t done much for the United States of America , and could’ve chosen to vote no, to deny authorizing the use of military force in Iraq . To this day, he claims that we can’t cut and run in Iraq , and that the job must be finished to establish a democratic nation. He could simply have joined his liberal cohorts and spewed hatred of America . Instead, he stood by conservatism, the U.S. Constitution and President Bush.

So when you begin to caucus or primary, elect the man who hasn’t chosen to make America his enemy. Elect the man who hasn’t signed onto irresponsible environmental treaties. Elect the man who didn’t vote to leave Saddam Hussein in power, and continues to support the troops and finishing the job in Iraq . Elect the man who didn’t continue to build a surplus with higher taxes. Elect the man who refused to vote to keep Partial Birth Abortion alive. Elect the man who doesn’t believe in gay marriage. Elect the man who’s not against the Second Amendment. Elect the man who has never been pro-choice. Elect the man who doesn’t want to continue throwing money at education. Elect a man that isn’t against states’ rights and school vouchers. Elect the man who hasn’t had any forays into liberalism, choosing instead to be a consistent conservative.

So, if you don’t go to the polls for what he’s done, go and elect Fred Thompson for what he hasn’t done.

debbie0040 January 6, 2008 at 9:21 am

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110011088

The GOP’s Time for Choosing
Mike Huckabee would make the party more like Europe’s Christian Democrats.

BY HENRY OLSEN
Sunday, January 6, 2008 12:01 a.m. EST

Mike Huckabee’s stunning victory in Thursday’s Iowa caucuses does more than change the GOP nomination race. With a platform explicitly grounded in his Christian faith and a populist economic message, Mr. Huckabee offers the Republican Party a new political narrative, light years removed from the limited government principles governing the GOP in the Reagan and post-Reagan era.

This pro-faith, pro-government message may sound strange to American ears–but it is a staple of conservative political parties on the European continent. Mr. Huckabee, in other words, essentially gives Republicans a choice: Does the GOP want to become a Christian Democratic party? To answer that question, Republicans should look carefully at Christian Democracy to see if it is a model worth emulating.

debbie0040 January 6, 2008 at 9:29 am

http://www.lifenews.com/state2730.html

New Hampshire Pro-Life Group Backs Fred Thompson Before Primary Vote Email this article

by Steven Ertelt
LifeNews.com Editor
January 5, 2008

Concord, NH (LifeNews.com) — Fred Thompson has picked up an important endorsement just days before the second big presidential battleground in New Hampshire. Thompson, the former Tennessee senator, has earned the endorsement of New Hampshire Citizens for Life, a statewide pro-life organization.

Citizens for Life is the 14th state pro-life organization to endorse Senator Thompson for President, including Wyoming where Thompson came in second in Saturday’s caucus vote.

“Granite State voters like no-nonsense candidates who stand up for their beliefs. Fred Thompson is such a candidate,” Roger Stenson, the director of the group, told LifeNews.com on Saturday morning.

“Fred Thompson had a 100% pro-life voting record as a member of the United States Senate,” he added. “For all of us who care about the dignity and sanctity of human life and the most basic freedom upon which our nation was founded — the right to life – Fred Thompson is a leader of great promise.”

Thompson told LifeNews.com in a statement that he was “blessed and honored” to get the pro-life group’s endorsement.

“These folks in the Granite State are the 14th organization coast to coast that has voted to endorse my candidacy, and more likely will, because they know I have stood with them yesterday, I stand with them today, and will stand with them tomorrow,” he said.

“They know I have the ability to win this election. They know I believe in the sanctity of life and as President I will do all that I can to do to protect life,” Thompson added.

The former attorney and actor opposes abortion and has said he favors overturning Roe v. Wade and letting states again ban abortions. He also opposes human cloning, embryonic stem cell research and assisted suicide.

The New Hampshire pro-life organization joins a growing list of statewide pro-life groups backing Thompson, including North Carolina, California, Minnesota, Vermont, South Carolina, Virginia, Wisconsin, West Virginia, and New York.

Looking at endorsements from other statewide pro-life groups, former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee has the backing of Georgia Right to Life and Michigan Chooses Life.

Other pro-life advocates have endorsed Huckabee and pro-life leaders Jim Bopp, a highly-regarded attorney, and Dr. Jack Willke, widely considered to be one of the founders of the pro-life movement, have backed Mitt Romney.

Several of the organizations making endorsements have said they oppose Rudy Giuliani’s attempt to win the GOP nomination because of his pro-abortion position

John Konop January 6, 2008 at 9:33 am

Maurice Atkinson

You might find this interesting!

Pat Buchanan: Day of Reckoning

Great interviews with Pat Buchanan on trade, immigration and the economy!

Pat Buchanan: Day of Reckoning

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/pat-buchanan-day-of-reckoning

Maurice Atkinson January 6, 2008 at 10:29 am

Thats alarming stuff.

Maurice Atkinson January 6, 2008 at 10:41 am

No he is dead on.

It echoes’ a conversation I had a couple of years ago with a steel exec.. His concern was that we have nearly completely dismantled our manufacturing infrastructure. Core goods such as steel and iron, which decades before we were the worlds producer, have been liquidated and sent to Japan, China etc.

But dare we ever criticize the brokers that are the culprits of this dismantling. You get branded as a kook, zealot, ignorant and misinformed.

Maurice Atkinson January 6, 2008 at 10:44 am

Debbie, would you mind just posting the link and maybe a snipet of the article? Good Lord…

rugby_fan January 6, 2008 at 11:19 am

“Can anyone make an argument why he shouldn’t be there?”

He is not credible.

Voters and opinion polls routinely place him on the fringe of the candidates running in the GOP.

debbie0040 January 6, 2008 at 12:48 pm

Maurice, I usally do except when it is an email that I can not find posted on the internet

GOPeach January 6, 2008 at 1:28 pm

I THINK it will be Between HUCKABEE & EDWARDS!

Look this Debate!!! WOW!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWXMWzyDYfA

TrueConservative January 6, 2008 at 9:37 pm

Iowa has chosen the last 3 Gop nominees. NH has not…..

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