1. shep1975 says:

    With a tip of the hat to Bull, it was also a good night for McCain.

    After $10 million, to have 75% of people vote against you, Romney is gone if he loses in NH.

    Huck shows a little likeability goes a long way.

  2. waterboy says:

    Huge win by Obama. Huckabee had to win this one. Romney is still in great shape moving forward and McCain still has life. Thompson and Edwards need to go home. Rudy…Rudy…Rudy….anybody seen Rudy???

  3. StevePerkins says:

    I agree with Shepherd… if Romney doesn’t pull out a DOMINATING victory in New Hampshire, he’s done.

    I still don’t see Huckabee building off this too much… he doesn’t have the money/organization to turn the tide in upcoming states that are less evangelical.

    Thompson is a waste of space… he’s doing JUST good enough to not drop out, yet not good enough to accomplish anything by staying in.

    McCain is looking more and more like the future nominee with each passing moment. To have not even visited Iowa until the last minute, and to tell subsidized corn farmers to go stuff themselves when he is there, and yet still come within a hundred votes of 3rd place… WOW.

    Great to see Paul break double-digits. You may or may not like the guy, but he’s come from fringe to at least moderately respectable… and brought thousands of us independent-minded small government types to the table who otherwise probably wouldn’t have given the GOP a look this cycle. If the Party is smart, the laughter will stop and they’ll put some effort toward encouraging us into the fold.

    I’m going to go out on a limb and predict that Rudy’s “big state” strategy will be a dud. I know he didn’t really campaign in Iowa, but for the nationwide “front runner” to get his ass kicked by Ron Paul almost three-to-one (with another ass kicking on its way in New Hampshire), I don’t see how his poll numbers stand up between now and Super Tuesday.

    On the Democratic side, I’m not shocked to see Obama win (Iowa is a strange beast, and he seemed to be everybody’s 2nd-choice). I AM a little surprised to see Hillary come in third. Edwards is done… all the anti-Hillary vote will start to coalesce around Obama now. If Clinton doesn’t make a stand in New Hampshire next week, this WILL get interesting.

  4. My thoughts…

    3rd place is very bad for Mrs. Clinton.

    3rd place is pretty good for Mr. Thompson.

    1st place is very good for Mr. Obama and Mr. Hucakbee. If Obama follows this up with a win in NH he’s in like Flynn. The challenge for Huckabee is to raise money and get organized in the other states….like tomorrow.

  5. GOPeach says:

    I just spoke to a friend who spent the weekend in New Hampshire helping with the Hickabee phone bamks. She is a veteran campaigner here in Cobb and is very confident that Huckabee will “warm the hearts of the cold folks in New Hanpshire”

    HUCKABEE will win in New Hampshire. Huckabee has MO! Momentum –

  6. Never trust those polls…..

    The Kool-Aid must be real good in Iowa.

    This only the start, but Huckabee has proven he is able to tap a broad cross section of voters. That’s the big fear of the insiders.

    Consider this, people are tired of smut politicking and are interested in ideas and leadership.

    I recall an election a couple of years ago…..

  7. waterboy says:

    Is Chris Dodd the campaign manager for Hillary Clinton?

    Maurice – save the Huckabee glory. He isn’t the second coming.

  8. ConservativeCaucus says:

    Good night for Huckabee. Good night for McCain. Good for Paul. Bad for Edwards. Bad for Giuliani.

  9. waterboy, I’m not asserting that he is the second coming, but he did prove he is a strong competitor and know how to GOTV.

    From what I hear Romney spent $250 a vote and still got whipped by 9 points. That’s substantial. When you have an individual who can generate that type of commitment, you’ve got a good horse. That’s all.

  10. souldrift says:

    Best outcome I could think of. Both guys are the positive kind of politics this country is starving for, and honestly–with no respect for blabbering talk-radio pipsqueaks implied–it’s long overdue.

    Many great storylines:
    – The Three Stooges get upstaged
    – Voters ignore Rush’s lack of support for Huckabee
    – The conventional wisdom is entirely overturned, at least in one contest

    I haven’t ever been this excited about a primary.

  11. waterboy says:

    Maurice – I agree that he had an outstanding GOTV strategy. The church crowd came out with a strong showing for him. You gotta find the votes where you can and he managed that in Iowa. Campaign finances are important to every election and Romney certainly has the resources coupled with great results in public service and private industry. It will be up to the voters to help finance Huckabee, so we’ll see how strong that committment really is. Good luck to you and your horse.

  12. Still Looking says:

    Democratic turnout was record high. Over 220,000 versus four years ago 120,000! Obama atracks a lot of new voters and still maintains base. He spells trouble for whoever GOP picks.

  13. juliobarrios says:

    If only he climbed up a pole in Iowa and camped out on it until his message was heard, Dodd might not have had to drop out of the race.

  14. Bull Moose says:

    Thompson shares 3rd w/ McCain.

    That’s huge for McCain. He barely contested Iowa and Thompson spent the past 15 days in the state.

    Props to the Thompson folks for the effort that they mounted in Iowa, they are to be commended for their showing and their determination and loyalty to FDT.

    Whatever happens tomorrow and through the weekend, we are all a better country for the spirited competitive races and the candidates who put themselves out there.

  15. Still Looking says:

    When a black man wins a state that is 94% white, you have to believe that people are hearing and responding to his message.

    Edwards vote will colapse to Obama in NH and SC. Stick a fork in him.

  16. Groseclose says:

    I think Huckabee winning the GOP nomination is a real possibility. First, I think McCain beats Romney in NH, essentially eliminating Romney from consideration. Thompson will place 5th in NH and probably 3rd or so in South Carolina. Thus, I think Romney and Thompson are either out by Feb 3 or not realisitically in contention. That would leave Huckabee, Rudy, and McCain. I think Huckabee wins social conservatives outright. Then Rudy and McCain probably split national security conseratives. That leaves economic-focused voters in the balance. I think Huckabee, with his fair tax proposal, has the possibility of winning some of those voters. That put Huckabee in a good position to win the nomination. Not inevitable, but certainly possible!

  17. Ms_midtown says:

    Romney may lose New Hampshire, but he will not officially drop out until at least Feb 5th, Utah primary. He may even stick around till May-June for Idaho, Montana, New Mexico.
    Even having a 100 delegates in Minneapolis could be a strong hand.
    Bill Bennett made a good point on CNN tonight,
    ‘Riots and murder in Kenya, bombs and assassination in Pakistan. Thank God we live in America

  18. Brian Laurens says:

    Under Jasons logic,

    65% of Iowans voted against Huckabee

    87% of Iowans voted against McCain

    87% of Iowans voted against his saviour Fred

    and drumroll…

    96% of Iowans voted against Rudy

  19. rightbeforeleft says:

    I’m not sure if anyone really thinks this way, but people have to begin to contemplate what happens when people are able to act anonymously. The caucuses are a social beast, and it doesn’t take much shame or neighborly influence etc. to turn someone when their vote is on public display. I am impressed by Obama’s passionate support, but I do wonder if he still gains the same support behind the curtain in a primary. It is a whole lot easier for democrats to publicly support Obama than it is for them to do so privately, and yes I am playing the race card here. If you disagree I do not blame you, but we all think very differently in our own minds than we do in our conversations.

  20. debbie0040 says:

    Huckabee will not be the nominee. He won Iowa, but the rest of the country is different.

    I think that Hillary will win the Democratic nomination.

    I am sure Romney will notch it up quite a bit with the negative ads against the Huckster and so will the talk shows and conservative columnists.

    I am glad Thompson did well enough to stay in. He is looking at South Carolina now.

    If Thompson does not have a good showing in South Carolina, then he will probalby drop out. He will endorse McCain but most of Thompson’s supporters will not switch to McCain. They will go with either Mitt or Rudy.

    As long as Huckabee is not the nominee, I will be happy…

  21. debbie0040 says:

    Romney could lose New Hampshire and do well in South Carolina.

    Romney is a fighter and he has money. It is about to get very nasty.

    In South Carolina, voters are not evangelicals easily duped by Huckabee like they were in Iowa.

    I will even support McCain over the Huckster…

  22. debbie0040 says:

    Maurice, Huckabee has not proven he can tap across a broad section of voters. 6 in 10 that participated in the Iowa caucus were evangelicals. 8 in 10 of Huckabee supporters are evangelicals.

    Faith was a determining factor for many Republican caucus participants.

    A significant chunk of Huckabee supporters

  23. Brian Laurens says:

    Reagan, Bush 41, and Clinton all lost Iowa when they ran for President. Iowa does not seem to be the anointing that the press has made it into. Romney is still alive and has millions in the warchest.

  24. John Konop says:

    Is Rush on the outs?
    January 4th, 2008 by JohnKonop
    Rush was slamming Huckabee and McCain and they were the two biggest surprises in Iowa! In fact a poll showed the g0t the most last minute undecided votes according to Fox. What does this say about Rush?

    Rush: No to Huckabee, McCain, and Giuliani

    Rush implicitly endorsed Romney and Thompson on his show this afternoon (who happen to also be my top two legitimate choices in this race) by saying this about the other three front-runners:

    Limbaugh seemed to swipe at McCain, Huckabee and Rudy Giuliani, respectively, in responding to a caller about which candidate had true conservative bona fides.

  25. Debbie, it is undeniable that there are a lot of evangelicals in Iowa. However, the man to 34% of the vote. Under your logic, all the deacons must have shown up to support their boy. That’s ridiculous.

    Iowa continues to give us Charles Grassley, the Senator who is on a hunt for Religious renagades. Under your logic, you could possibly stretch that to say, “all the deacons showed up to vote to send a clear message to Grassley, stay out of our offering plates.” That probably wasn’t the case either.

    I disagree with the NH assessment. Romney will not go quietly. He’s got some of the sharpest ads, however, they’re either fluff or negative.

    Romney has the most limited public service experience of any candidate in either party. His public service experience was not remarkable. So, he will have to rely on his executive experience… That will be problematic for the whole ticket.

    NH won’t be the same as Iowa, but you will STILL see strong support there as well. I was surprised to see the enthusiasm in CT. I totally expected them to be supporting Romney or Thompson. Everyone I spoke with didn’t trust Romney, his arrogance was a huge turnoff.

  26. John Konop says:

    Maurice Atkinson

    The interesting part is Huckabee won in the big Cities in Iowa. I am guessing Huckabee also got a lot of support from fair tax people.

  27. Dave says:

    We saw two impressive candidates last night. Huckabee kicked butt and took names. People are really warming to him, big time. He’s no flash in the pan.

    Obama was even more impressive. Did yall see Hillary’s robotic, passionless speech. My God! She is on her way to be yesterday’s potatoes.

    Obama’s speech was full of inspiration and passion. Damn!! We republicans better get our act together. This guy is the real deal.

  28. debbie0040 says:

    The numbers don’t lie Maurice. Huckabee took 34% of the voter. 6 in 10 that participated in the caucus were evangelicals. 8 in 10 Huckster supporters were evangelicals. Evangelical support is not enough to win in November…

    I would much rather see Romney as the nominee than Huckabee. Huckabee is the candidate that will be problematic for the ticket in November…

    The anti illegal immigration groups are not going to give up on defeating Huckabee and neither are the fiscal conservative groups… I expect they will all notch it up quite a bit…

    Huckabee was named by Judicial Watch as one of the top ten most corrupt politicians in 2007… Another group attacking the Huckster..

  29. John Konop says:


    As I said before the Iowa caucus the hate people like you and Rush spew are helping Obama, Huckabee, McCain and Paul! People like you on both sides killed Romney, Hillary, Rudy, Thompson

  30. Paul Shuford says:

    I think it’s a bit premature to be calling things in favor of Huckabee. Outside of the evangelical ranks, a lot of Republican voters are really, really tired of the theocrats hijacking the party. This sentiment is pretty strong in New Hampshire, from what I’ve been told, and could take all the wind out of Huckbee’s sails. I think that, given this strong showing in Iowa, he’ll stay in the primary race until the end, but what will really tell the tale is whether the evangelicals have a strong enough presence and motivation to get out the vote and send in the donations in favor of their candidate, or if the backlash over Huckabee and other’s theocratic ways will cause the other side to redouble their efforts to get a more secular candidate elected in the primaries. It remains to be seen.

    While Huckabee’s win is a big story, I think Obama’s win and Clinton’s 3rd place finish is a bigger one. If Clinton doesn’t pull out win in New Hampshire, she’s probably finished.

  31. Mark Rountree says:

    A real story here is being missed.

    The Democrats had over 225,000 voters turn out to caucus. This is much higher than in past years.

    Republicans had around 120,000. While somewhat higher than in past years, it’s not good when compared to the Dems.

    What the results portray is that the Republicans are fielding candidates who, so far, are not catching fire with regular folks — just mainly with political folks.

    Other than Huckabee coming out for the Fair Tax (but not really campaigning on it), our GOP candidates do not have the “Big Idea” that captivates voters in the way that Reagan’s 1980 Tax Cuts did.

    Howard Dean is as crazy a nut as there is. But he had a good point about turnout — the Dem team dramatically grew their turnout, while our team is simply excited about getting a bigger piece of a half-sized pie.

  32. John Konop says:


    The reason Obama is doing so well with Independents and Republicans is all the nasty stuff being thrown out. I am on Wall Street with conservative business people. And when people like Rush pushed people like Debbie to make racist remarks about Obama it was a real turn off. In fact win or loose any rational person would want a guy named Obama helping negotiate in the Middle East.

    NH will be the real test how strong Obama is with crossover voters. I disagree with many issues with Obama but for a black guy to win a state that is 97% white is amazing. I do hope Obama style black politicians become successful and drown out the Jessie Jackson message!

  33. waterboy says:

    John Konop supports Huckabee….that’s good enough for me to scratch the Huckster from my list. Who else you supportin Johnny? This makes politics really easy!

  34. Paul Shuford, what theocrats are in leadership? I would hardly call Huckabee a theocrat. Are you asserting that anyone who has a ‘religious” belief system a theocrat?

  35. Carpe Forem says:

    All in all a good showing for Ron Paul. He won 1 couny, placed second in 4 and 3rd in 12. Here are two links that show county by county results:
    Link 1
    Link 2
    If I ever have to live in Iowa, I know where to go; Libertyville,IA Jefferson county.

  36. juliobarrios says:

    Thompson came in third and McCain came in fourth. Which is huge for Thompson for as little time as he’s been a candidate compared to McCain – who has basically been running for the last 12 years.

  37. Bill Simon says:

    The last time a self-proclaimed evangelical Christian was elected President of this country was 2000.

    You folks who think this country will trust another one after the “do as I say, not as I do” example set by the Bush Administration are, truly, smoking dope, whether literally or figuratively.

  38. I’ve not seen any internals, but it does seem that if anyone turned out some ‘new’ people, it was Huckabee, just based on the fact that there were 40,000 to 50,000 more gop caucus voters than projected, and that he won convincingly.

    Ron Paul was basically a flop, given all the claims of support. But he *did* go from being a 1,000 vote candidate to a 10,000 vote candidate, and that was interesting. I assume half of these are people who are not ‘regulars’. Kudos.

    But the GOP intensity is not there based on the overall numbers. Huckabee is the candidate of “default” right now — the one who is not Rudy or Romney, yet who seems to want the job. Could have been, should have been, my guy Thompson.

    Whether you agree with these proposals or not, this could have been Fred’s marketing niche:

    1. Openly campaigning on the Fair Tax as his #1 proposal and plan (which Huck supports but doesn’t talk much about);

    2. Fred could campaign as a 100% “secure our borders” guy (the other ‘real’ candidates really aren’t);

    3. Consistently pointing out that the other major candidates are “fakes”, and using the word to SAY so. Frankly, conservatives pretty much thinks that already. But no major candidate says so.

    The famous Jack Kemp line, when Kemp came to Atlanta to the GOP ’88 debate, was “if you nominate George Bush, the Reagan Revolution is dead” (meaning Bush #1,). Kemp was right, and it was his only real applause of the whole debate. Too bad for him he didn’t say to earlier in that race.

    It’s not too late.

  39. Carpe Forem says:

    If you thank about it, the results was expected as for the GOP. Even though Iowa is a GOP state, it is also the subsidy capital of all the states. In NH the fiscal minded conservatives out number the evangelical conservative and will be a better test for the McCain, Thompson and Paul. We’ll also see if the Party leadership and insders stick with Romney or jump ship. And if they jump, where do they land.

  40. Still Looking says:

    Mark, See my 12.03 AM post regarding turnout.

    The reason nobody campaigns on the Fair Tax is because everyone that has seriously examined it realizes it is a loser in terms of rational tax policy and a camaign message. You can bet that every campaign has considered it.

    Thompson is a lousy candidate even if he has the right conservative message on immigration, abortion and taxes. He’s been trending downward in NH since August. McCain and Romney are likely to finish 1 or 2 in NH. Huckabee gets a modest bounce and holds third. To finish 4th, Thmpson still has to overcome Rudi and Paul who are both polling ahead of him. He is in danger of beating only Duncan Hunter! After a showing of somewhere between 4th and 6th in NH, Thompson will not survive past SC.

  41. shep1975 says:

    Brian, the difference between Romney’s repuditation and Iowa and the others is the simple fact Romney spent more time and money in Iowa than probably the others combines. Rudy didn’t even contest Iowa. People generally don’t vote for people who don’t ask for their vote, but Iowa wasn’t Rudy’s strategy.

    Most people ARE saying that 60% of Democrats in Iowa voted against the Clinton machine…not that it was a conscience decision like, “Hey, I want to vote against the Clinton Machine…now who do I pick?”

    It was just the machine did not attract them.

    Romney threw millions of his own dollars into the race and became the early frontrunner.

    Most Republicans, check that, most Americans, don’t like the idea of someone trying to buy their way into the White House. George W. Bush probably was just as wealthy as Forbes and Kerry in 2004, but Forbes and Kerry were seen as the ones with silver spoons in their mouth.

    Most Americans want a President who is like their co-worker, not their boss.

    People say Huck reminds them of them, and Romney reminds them of their boss. Think about Roy Barnes in 2002. You can throw all the money you want into a race, but if you’re not likeable, you won’t win.

    Like Barnes, Romney overloaded the airwaves. He went negative, hard, and ticked people off. He looked more like mean Mr. Potter going after George Bailey than the next President of the United States (wonder if Romney aired any of those negative ads during “It’s a Wonderful Life” in Iowa).

    I will also agree with Mark in that Huck has the mantel that should have gone to Fred. I still think Fred is the best candidate on paper, but his campaign has all of the energy of a dead battery and the organization of D.C. traffic circle.

    He is making the mistakes folks like Rudy, Mitt, McCain, etc made months ago and have had time to correct.

    The trouble for Fred is this is not the dress rehearsal, this is opening night and missed stage directions or lines can mean an early curtain for the Fred Thompson show.

    Once these votes are over, their over. He can’t exactly say, “Hey, I think I can do Iowa a little better. How about a 2nd take?”

    “Iowa Caucus starring Fred Thompson, take 2!”

    Politics doesn’t work like that.

  42. Still Looking says:

    FOX News is holding a debate on Sunday, but they have excluded Ron Paul from appearing. What happened to “We report. You decide.”???

  43. debbie0040 says:

    The states that have yet to hold primaries are not like Iowa.


    Six in 10 GOP voters said they were born again or evangelical Christians, and by far the largest share _almost half _supported Huckabee. Romney led among non-evangelical voters, getting a third of their support.

    More than a third of Republicans said having the same religious beliefs as their candidate was very important, and of that group just over half favored Huckabee.

  44. StevePerkins says:

    Yeah, that upcoming Fox debate is pretty shameful. It’s one thing to exclude candidates who do not meet some defined threshold. It’s another thing to cherry pick and exclude candidates based on ideology. Paul is polling 3 to 4 times Fred’s numbers in New Hampshire, and has dramatically outdone him in fundraising, but Thompson DOES meet the “criteria”. What a joke.

  45. ConservativeCaucus says:

    You’re right Steve. It is shameful. I learned long ago that “Fair and Balanced” is just a catchy slogan.

  46. Jace Walden says:

    I hate doing this, but I have to admit that I was wrong about Thompson. I thought his campaign was DOA. It isn’t exactly full of life, but at least he still has something on which to build.

    Ron Paul was very impressive. He’ll do even better in NH. Early predictions for NH:

    John McCain
    Mike Huckabee
    Mitt Romney
    Ron Paul
    Fred Thompson
    Rudy Giuliani

    Barack Obama
    Hillary Clinton
    John Edwards

  47. Doug Deal says:


    I think Rudy will do better in NH because it is a primary, and a less percentage of the voters will be from “abortion is the only issue of importance” crowd. However, he will not do well, and I have him in the lower half.

    McCain will win it this time, as he seems to resonate in NH, and it is why I think he is the most likely to carry the general election, because of this appeal to “moderates”. Sadly, he is just so wrong on the issues most important to me, like immigration reform and free speach (McCain-Feingold).

    Like I said before, Huckabee will play well in caucuses from more religious states like Iowa, and in primaries in some southern states, but will fall flat in places where there is more seperation between religion and politics. Publicity from Iowa, however, will carry him to win at least a bronze medal in NH, but probably a silver, the other one on the podium will be Romney.

    Beyond that, everyone else is a crap shoot, and will place in random order.

    Paul is a special case, as I think he attracts a different type of voter, so it is impossible to know where he will finish from state to state. I think he will do better in caucuses because of the lower turnout, and devotion that is required of voters to participate. I do not think Paul attracts a lot of voters from the “mainstream” so his voters will number the same whether caucus or primary, but will be watered down by the unwashed casual voters in an easy to vote primary.

    On the Dem side, I think Obama takes it, but it will still be a close three way race. I think that there are enough Democrats who think that the country will not elect a minority to the Presidency to keep Edwards alive in the race a lot longer than he should ever be, so it will remian a three way for a while.

  48. GodHatesTrash says:

    The stupid and superstitious have spoken – they said “Give us the televangelist. GIVE US THE HUCKLEBERRY!”


  49. Still Looking,

    I was referring to the political advantages of the Fair Tax in the Republican primary. It’s clearly a political winner in a Republican primary, especially when seeking to differentiate. The general election would be tougher, yes, because it’s an easy issue to demagogue.

    You wrote, “everyone that has seriously examined it realizes it is a loser in terms of rational tax policy and a camaign message”.

    Does this count Dr. Dale Jorgen, chairman of the Harvard Economics Department?

    And as for a campaign message, does your calculation include the 60 US Congressman who are co-sponsors of it? Might have missed that…

    Did it include the tens of thousands of “Fair Tax” bumper stickers on people’s cars? Or the fact that the book became #1 on the NY Times list?

    hmmm…you might be missing something here…

  50. John Konop says:


    I never said I supported Huckabee. But people like you and Debbie are helping him with your nasty comments!

    I will repeat Ron Paul, Huckabee and Obama should thank people like you for all the voters you guys drove to them!

    You guys are better than paid staff!

  51. GodHatesTrash says:

    Boomers are damn fools to support the so-called Fair Tax – we were taxed when we earned our money, now Lindner and Boortz and the amalgamated morons of the GOP want to tax us when we spend it, too.

  52. GodHatesTrash says:

    Of course, we are all damn fools to pay into Social Security, especially gen Xers and millenials – the system was bled dry by the misnamed Greatest Generation, who robbed their children’s futures to pay for their cushy retirements out of some weird sense of entitlement to other peoples’ money…

  53. shep1975 says:

    I still think Romney places 2nd in NH. Huck placing 2nd would almost be as good, if not better, than an outright win.

    The biggest concern I have is the slash-and-burn Romney machine doing so much damage to McCain and Huck that they will be unelectable.

    HRC has to win NH. Bill can say all he wants that he didn’t win until he came to GA, but Bill was a little known former governor from Arkansas, not the former First Lady and NY Senator who has been the Dem. frontrunner since Jan. 20, 2001.

    Iowa voters are not always bad decision makers and they don’t always pick the most conservative (or most liberal).

    Winners have been…
    1972: “Uncommitted” beat Muskie causing him to cry and push 3rd place finisher, McGovern, to the nomination.
    1976: Carter (eventual winner); Reagan challenged Ford (eventual nominee and only challenge to an incumbent Pres.) and lost.
    1980: George H. W. Bush (eventual VP and moderate to RWR’s eventual conservative revolution).
    1984: Mondale (eventual nominee)
    1988: Dole and Pat Robertson beat GHW Bush; Dick Gephart and Paul Simon (not the singer for you younger bloggers) beat Dukakis.
    1992: Home boy Tom Harkin with Uncommitted, Tsongas and Clinton following.
    1996: Dole (eventual nominee)
    2000: Bush and Gore (eventual nominees)
    2004: Kerry (eventual nominee) followed Edwards (eventual VP nominee) followed by Dean (eventual scream)

    If you look at modern history, Iowa has been a good predictor. Overall, Iowa has not been that bad. Taking a look at the caucus (and removing the years when an incumbent was unchallenged), it has predicted the winner of the nomination 57% (4 of 7) of the time for Dems and 60% (3 of 5) of the time for the GOP.

    New Hampshire has had the same results as a percentage of winners going to get the nomination, but has not predicted the GOP nominee since 1988’s win by Bush (though on the Dem side Gore and Kerry were winners in 2000 and 2004).

    As for taking a pass like Rudy did, he should have taken note of Joe Lieberman and retired General Wesley Clark, at one time considered the leading candidates for the Democrats. They both took passes on Iowa and never recovered.

  54. shep1975 says:

    Good point, John. Nothing is driving me faster from Romney and Thompson than the vitriol of their supporters. McCain’s people are generally positive as are Rudy’s.

    Remember, you get more flies with honey than vinegar. Republicans especially should be looking to explain why their candidate is the best, not tear down the other GOP candidates until our own people won’t even vote for them.

    Tell me why your candidate is better, not why mine sucks! You want me to circle the wagons faster, attack my guy. Nothing helps me think more of mine and less of yours than that.

    I’ll give the same advice to the Dems.

  55. debbie0040 says:

    Record does matter especially when a candidate tries to disort it as Huckabee does. I can see why Huckabee’s supporters would like to ignore his record though. The record is coming out sooner or later, might as well come out now before it is too late.

    Huckabee supporters that claim that true Christians support Huckabee and that Huckabee is the only true Christian in the race drive people away.

  56. Tea Party says:

    What is truly amazing:

    The high turnout was primarily composed of younger voters…Fantastic!!!

    America is showing the World that we are capable of choosing our next President from a pool of candidates including a woman and an African American. This is HUGE!

    2008 is gonna be great!

  57. debbie0040 says:

    Fred does have a plan to reform the tax code. He need to start touting it.

    From Fred08:
    Expand Taxpayer Choice. The Thompson plan would give Americans greater choice about how to pay their federal taxes. This plan is based on a proposal developed by the House of Representatives Republican Study Committee that would provide taxpayers the option of remaining under the current, complex tax code or opting for a simplified, flat tax code. The simplified tax code would contain two tax rates: 10% for joint filers on income of up to $100,000 ($50,000 for singles) and 25% on income above these amounts. The standard deduction would be more than doubled to $25,000 for joint filers and $12,500 for singles. The personal exemption amount would be increased to $3,500. Therefore, a family of 4 would be exempt from income tax on the first $39,000 of income. The simplified tax code would contain no other tax credits or deductions. It would also retain the 15% tax rate on capital gains and dividends. This approach would dramatically simplify taxes for tens of millions of Americans. In addition, the larger standard deduction and personal exemption amounts will still provide significant tax relief to families with children. This proposal would serve as a stepping-stone to fundamental tax reform.

  58. Bill Simon says:


    That’s too much to read and comprehend for the people who only know to tell you to “go read Boortz’s book” in answer to any challenge of the Fair???? Tax bill.

  59. shep1975 says:

    Debbie, you know why no one is attacking Fred? Because no one sees Fred as a threat. Same reason no one is bothering with Duncan Hunter. (We bother with Ron Paul just because it’s so much fun to see his supporters get into a frenzy).

  60. shep1975 says:

    No, Reed’s vitriol was enough. I didn’t need his supporters, who were rarely positive.

    By the way Bill, I would expect a better analysis of logic from a Tech grad…of course, Tech grads are not as logical as their hero, Mr. Spock, regardless of how many of them own Vulcan ears and can d the “live long and prosper” thing with their hand. If you don’t believe me, simply listen to their rhetoric around the last weekend in November. Absolutely no logic to be found!

  61. John Konop says:


    Ralph Reed is the king of negative campaigning. The reason he lost is it caught up with him bottom line. Rational people did not like the racist attacks on John McCain that Ralph did and you supported. I have been outspoken about McCain and immigration, but to attack people they way you guys went after McCain and other via Reed tactics is wrong!

    Iowa demonstrated the mood of the country is feed up with the hate people like you spew. It did not work for Romney or Hillary!

  62. debbie0040 says:

    At least Fred’s plan has a better chance at passing than Fair Tax… Fair Tax has too many problems…

  63. debbie0040 says:

    My hubby is a UGA graduate so I do cheer for Georgia when they are not playing Alabama to keep peace in the family. I do like Georgia Tech as well. If memory serves me correctly, GT was the last Georgia team to win a national championship..

    Jason, you went over the top when you made fun of Mr. Spock 🙂 Some GT graduate will come up behind you and suprise you with the old Vulcan nerve pinch if you don’t watch out.

    I bet you didn’t like Lord of the Rings or The Matrix either…

  64. debbie0040 says:

    I can not believe why anyone would not like The Matrix. I did not like the final one but liked the first and second one.

    We took an IT field trip from work to see LOTR 2 and 3 , Matrix 2 and 3 and Star Wars 2 and 3 opening day.

    I don’t think it is geeky at all to like those movies..

  65. Still Looking says:

    John Konop,

    I’m with you on negative campaigning. Voters are sick of it. The Iowa voters were bombarded with political ads. Those that went negative like Romney were punished. Huckabee’s news conference announcing he was pulling negative ads was rewarded.

    HRC will be tempted to go negative against Obama. When she does, it will cost her. She’ll appear to be from the old school and it will revive the Clinton fatique.

    This is an election about competancy, change and uniting the country. Wedge issues and negative campaigns used so effectively in the past by Rove, Reed and Atwater won’t work.

  66. SpaceyG says:

    Man oh man, wait ’til the Clinton machine gets to SC to wage war on Obama there. Yikes. Even poor Lee Atwater’s ghost should be shakin’ by now.

    And Erick, hon. Seems Matt’s pollin’ was right all along. First to call Huckabee… Last minute IA poll showed Obama ahead. Time to refresh the ‘tude, eh?

  67. debbie0040 says:

    I have been a GOP activist since 1976. Every election cycle I hear, “Voters are sick of negative campaigning and it will backfire this time.”

    You know what you still have negative campaigning because it works. It will continue as long as it works..

    It did not work in Iowa because the voters cast their vote for Huckabee because Huckabee touted his religion. 6 in 10 were evangelicals. They were mostly one issue voters. They could care less about Hucksters record or the fact he is a fiscal liberal. They just like what they heard from Huckabee.

    Other states are not like Iowa. It will be interesting to see how the Huckster holds up under negative campaigning in other states.

    The way Huckster conducted his campaign in Iowa will hurt him in other states.

  68. debbie0040 says:

    Monday, November 13, 2006 12:13 PM CST
    Huckabees Registered For Gifts

    By John Lyon

    Arkansas News Bureau

  69. shep1975 says:

    Truthfully Debbie, I am a huge Star Trek fan(there, I’m out of the closet). I actually do feel envious of Erick’s photo shoot, especially if he got to keep the shirt. I was at one time a dues paid member of the Star Wars Fan Club (I really only did that to get the free poster of Princess Leia in the gold bikini).

    I own on DVD the LOTR and Matrix sets and (don’t tell whats-her-name in Gwinnett) all 5 Harry Potter movies.

    Finally, I can quote Monty Python’s Holy Grail by heart.

    Yes, I am a geek concerning my entertainment choices, but at least I dress well…according to Vernon Jones.

  70. Bill Simon says:


    Yeah, but WHICH of the Star Trek series? The original (and the best), or these pseudo by-product versions ad infinitum of the brand “Star Trek?”

  71. Still Looking says:

    HRC now has to adopt a Rudi strategy: Hang on until Florida and Super Tuesday. In the three weeks between NH and Super Tuesday, she has to be more precise on the issues, move to the left, stay positive and form some sort of emotional bond. It ain

  72. shep1975 says:

    Still…does she have to form a bond or just an impression? Retail campaigning is over with NH. Soon it will be all about smoke and mirrors.

  73. debbie0040 says:

    I liked the Kill Bill movies, too. Women like movies where women beat up men 🙂

    Jason, I liked those movies and I am not a geek…

    I even like the Spider Man Movies …

    Did anyone see a movie called Galaxy Quest?

  74. shep1975 says:

    We were both in the drama club at Germantown High School in Tennessee. She was a senior and I was a freshman. No chance she even knew of my existance.

  75. GOPeach says:

    Debbie Dear,

    You and I are just not on the same page are we????

    You said –

    Huckabee will not be the nominee. He won Iowa, but the rest of the country is different.

    PEACH – WRONG! He already has South Carolina – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu92PQAwLkk

    I think that Hillary will win the Democratic nomination.

    PEACH : NO WAY!!! Going down in flames

    I am sure Romney will notch it up quite a bit with the negative ads against the Huckster and so will the talk shows and conservative columnists.

    PEACH: That will bite his little fanny.

    I am glad Thompson did well enough to stay in. He is looking at South Carolina now.

    PEACH: Don’t count on it.

    If Thompson does not have a good showing in South Carolina, then he will probalby drop out. He will endorse McCain but most of Thompson

  76. Shep, if Obama is the nominee and he does tap Clinton as his veep it would be like Kennedy and Johnson. Those two hated each other with a passion, which left suspicion to this day.

    I really think Huck is in great shape. As long as he keeps doing what he’s doing and the ground troops doing what we’re doing it will be sweet.

  77. Romegaguy says:

    Huckabee’s win in Iowa yesterday is as meaningful in the long term as Pat Robertson’s win there in 88.

  78. ConservativeCaucus says:

    lol… Romegaguy. I love it.

    Congratulations on parroting the establishment media talking points – Bravo! It has been fun to watch the evolution of the establishment’s take on Huckabee:

    – Baptist minister running for President (forget the fact he has a longer career in politics than his time in ministry.

    – Nice guy, funny in debates, should drop out and run for the Senate

    – Doing well in debates, but will never be more than an asterisk in the polls.

    – Okay, well he made 10% in national polls, but that is just a small fringe group of support – it will never translate into electoral success.

    – Okay, so he just convincingly beat a better funded, more organized candidate, but he can’t take his message anywhere else. He is a one-hit wonder.

    As Huckabee has said, “People have been writing my political obituary for nearly a year now, and I keep hanging around.”

    Will Huckabee win… I don’t know. However, I think it is entirely plausible and could make a pretty good case for it.

    Oh, and by the way, congratulations on mentioning Robertson’s win in Iowa. Big problem – Bob Dole won that election, not Robertson.

  79. GOPeach says:

    Last night CNN kept saying Huckabee’s supporteres are ALL

    ” Born-again Christians” over and over and over in order to purposely annoy those who aren’t…. It would be like them saying Romney supporters are ALL Mormons over and over ….. BIG WOOP!!!

    Seriously…. Dose CNN think that we are TOTALLY stupid to NOT know what they are doing…. THAT will bite them!

    I was just informed THAT alerted ALL the Christians in New Hampshire who ARE ” Born Again Christians” to GO VOTE!

    It should be VERY interesting…. and to hear CNN say…. New Hampshire doesn’t have many Born-Again voters… Are they Crazy????

    Look at this:

    1. Walnut Grove Baptist Church, Rochester, NH
    2. All Saints Anglican Church, Concord, NH
    3. Barrington Evangelical Free Church, Barrington, NH
    4. Bethany Chapel, Manchester, NH
    5. Bethany Church, Rye, NH
    6. Bethel Assembly of God, Portsmouth, NH
    7. Calvary Assembly of God, Hudson, NH
    8. Chichester Conservative Congregational Church, Chichester, NH
    9. Christ Presbyterian Church, Nashua, NH
    10. Christian Believers Fellowship, Somersworth, NH
    11. Church Alive, Portsmouth, NH
    12. Cornerstone Baptist Church, East Swanzey, NH
    13. Covenant Christian Church, Bedford, NH
    14. Danville Baptist Church, Danville, NH
    15. Durham Evangelical Church, Durham, NH
    16. Enfield United Methodist Church, Enfield, NH
    18. Faith Bible Church, Littleton, NH
    19. Faith Lutheran Church, Exeter, NH
    20. Fellowship In His Love – Full Gospel, Sandown, NH
    21. First Baptist Church, Farmington, NH
    22. First Baptist Church, Northwood, NH
    23. First Baptist Church, Lebanon, NH
    24. First Baptist Church of Exeter, Exeter, NH
    25. First Baptist Church of Hudson, Hudson, NH
    26. First Baptist Church of Sanbornton, Sanbornton, NH
    27. First Congregational Church and Society, Rindge, NH
    28. First Congregational Church of Kingston, NH, Kingston, NH
    29. Grace Baptist Church, Merrimack, NH
    30. Grace Capital Church, Concord, NH



    Never underestimate the Vote of ” Born-Again” Voters!!!!

  80. maryg2g says:

    To all Huckabee supporters who truly care about U.S. sovereignty, please review this video (less than 1 min.): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_BucPcJrHI . Did you hear who Huckabee named as his foreign policy advisors?

    Here’s the essence of that portion of the video: Wolf Blitzer asked Huckabee who his foreign policy advisors are.

  81. RuralDem says:


    Yeah, but WHICH of the Star Trek series? The original (and the best), or these pseudo by-product versions ad infinitum of the brand

  82. GOPeach says:


    CNN painted New England like a breeding ground of for the occult. My cousins in Boston wrote me and said they are all going into New Hampshire to help Huckabee to show the media how WRONG they are to say such a thing about them.

  83. GOPeach says:

    Rual Dem-

    You are so right about how Republicans should be happy of the IOWA win for HUCKABEE. He has what it takes to win the White House.

    Mitt Romney is the GOP’s John Kerry. Flip Flop policy with too much hairspray.

    Somone like John Edwards could kick his fanny.
    That would be scarry. I would even be tempted to vote for John Edwards…. at least he is not in a CULT.

  84. debbie0040 says:


    Huckabee Cut Crime and Taxes?
    January 2, 2008
    The truth is that violent crime was higher at the end of his term than when he took office, and he raised taxes more than he cut them.

    In the run-up to the Jan. 3 Iowa caucuses, Huckabee is running a TV ad featuring graphics that claim he was “tough on crime” and “brought Arkansas’ crime rate down,” and that he “cut taxes over 90 times as governor.”

    In fact, the violent crime rate was higher at the end of his tenure than it was the year he took office. And the tax cuts he claims credit for were minor compared with the large increases he approved, which included an increase in the state sales tax

  85. “He’s not plastic,” said GOP strategist Greg Mueller. “He speaks American, not Washingtonian. The way he communicates is coming off as a person who understands and can connect with middle America.”

    Thats an excellent assessment.

  86. shep1975 says:


    That’s what I meant, that I really didn’t care for Deep Space 9 or Enterprise, but, as campy as it is, the 1960’s cast (plus their moveis) and the Next Generation cast and their movies are the best.

  87. debbie0040 says:

    Fred did great tonight!!

    I agree with Jason about Star Trek !!

    To change the subject again:

    Who will win the National Championship Monday?. I say Ohio State.

  88. ConservativeCaucus says:

    I think LSU will do to Ohio State what Florida did to them last year.

    Regarding the FoxNews debate tomorrow night… FoxNews stumbles again by not including Ron Paul. Can anyone make an argument why he shouldn’t be there?

    If he isn’t included, then you could make an argument for Rudy not being at the debate (finished below Paul in Iowa) and Fred (Paul polling ahead of Fred in NH). This of course doesn’t even take into account the fact that Paul raised more money than any other GOP candidate this last quarter.

  89. Pat Buchanan is dead on in his assessment: http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Buchanan:_Reagan_Coalitio/2008/01/05/62035.html

    Among the factors he writes which have led to the GOP’s impending downfall:

    Iraq. “Parties that march nations into what the people come to see as unnecessary or unwinnable wars face the inevitable consequences.”

    Truman suffered those consequences as a result of the Korean conflict as did Lyndon Johnson because of Viet Nam.

    Globalism. “With the sole exception of Mike Huckabee” he wrote, “the GOP seems unable to comprehend how throwing U.S. Workers into Darwinian competition with foreigners earning one-fifth or one-tenth their wages impacts the Reagan Democrats now deserting the GOP. A party that used to admonish one and all, ‘There is no free lunch,’ cannot see that free trade is no free lunch.”

    None of this means that the GOP is in grave trouble, or that defeat in 2008 is not foreordained, Buchanan admonishes, observing that the Democrats are winning “not because of the superiority of their candidates or ideas but because the Republicans are perceived as failing.”

  90. debbie0040 says:

    Ron Paul should be in the debate. No question that he should.

    I thought it was interesting in the debate when the Huckster said that policy could change every year and the debate moderator, Charlie Gibson noted he said that. Of course, Huckabee tried to spin it as that he meant priorities.

    Huckabee keeps making these so called mistakes. Can you imagine what he will do if he is the nominee? The Dems will make mincemeat out of the Huckster….

  91. debbie0040 says:

    What Fred Thompson Hasn’t Done

    By Chris Davis
    Jan 3, 2008

    It’s time to wake up, conservatives! It’s time to face the hard truth of the Fred Thompson candidacy for President of the United States , time to take a look at the ugly truth. It’s time to find out just what Fred Thompson hasn’t done as a U.S. Senator from Tennessee .

    What Fred Thompson Hasn’t Done (Image: Wenn)

    It has become apparent that Senator Fred Thompson has ignored far too many issues during his years in office. He ignored government surpluses by voting for tax cuts that President Bush signed into legislation. Instead of leaving taxes high, he voted to spur economic growth, and help keep the country from depression after the September 11th attacks.

    Senator Thompson even had the nerve in 1999 to vote for the Nickles Amendent, an amendment that called for an across-the-board spending cut. He could’ve voted no, allowing Democrats and big spending Republicans to plummet the Social Security Trust Fund. He didn’t.

    He also refused to keep Partial Birth Abortion alive, voting in 1999 to kill Partial Birth Abortion, as well as voting in 2000 to kill an amendment that would repeal a ban on privately funded abortions at overseas military facilities. Senator Thompson could’ve chosen to play God, denying a human being the right to LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Rather, he allowed children the chance to participate in the greatest country in the world— America .

    There is still even more that Senator Fred Thompson hasn’t done. He chose to ignore the Global Warming alarmist by voting yes in 2002 on drilling in ANWR, and on terminating Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFÉ) standards within 15 months. In 1999, Senator Thompson decided to vote no on an amendment—offered by Senator Jeffords—that would’ve added $62 million to the Energy Department’s solar and renewable energy programs, increasing the pork from Congress. Senator Thompson could’ve kowtowed to the environmental activists by voting to increase CAFÉ standards, voting no on drilling in ANWR, and voting yes on an additional $62 million in pork. He could’ve chosen to stick it to car manufacturers everywhere. He could’ve chosen to keep America more dependent on foreign oil, and he could’ve chosen to stick it to the American taxpayer, but he didn’t.

    And it is even more obvious that Senator Fred Thompson has chosen to ignore the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. In 1998, he had the audacity to vote no on a bill that would’ve forced gun dealers to sell handguns with trigger locks, and in 1999, he had the intestinal fortitude to vote no on a Lautenberg Bill that would’ve forced background checks for all firearm sales at gun shows. It’s apparent that Senator Thompson has chosen to side with the rights of the private citizens to keep and bear arms, when he could’ve ignored the Second Amendment to the Constitution.

    It’s obvious where Senator Fred Thompson stands on foreign policy, or is it? It’s time to take a closer look at his tarnished record in defense of the homeland. In 1996, he voted to approve the 1996 Defense Appropriations bill. He voted yes, in 1997, overturning line item vetoes of 36 military projects by Bill Clinton, and in 1999, he voted yes on deploying the National Missile Defense System as soon as possible. He even had the gall to vote no on adopting the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty, which would’ve banned nuclear weapons testing six months after ratification by the 44 nations that have nuclear power plants or nuclear research reactors. It is abundantly clear that Senator Fred Thompson could’ve decided to harm America and Americans, but he didn’t, sticking to his principles for a stronger country.

    Senator Fred Thompson is no stranger to the law. He has voted yes on repealing federal speed limits, and yes on restricting class-action lawsuits in 1995. In 1996, he voted yes on limiting punitive damages on product liability cases. He also chose to vote to prohibit marriages by members of the same sex in federal law, and provide that no state is required to recognize same-sex marriages performed in other states, defining marriage is between man and a woman.

    If that’s not enough, there’s even more. Senator Thompson voted no on capping the punitive damages when patients sued HMO’s, voted no on increasing tobacco restrictions, and voted yes on repealing Clinton ’s ergonomic rules on repetitive stress, making it easier for businesses. He voted no on an increase to minimum wage, and voted yes on a bill that allowed workers to choose between overtime and compensatory time.

    And there’s even more. He voted for welfare reform in 1995. He voted yes on a bill, allowing Roth IRAs for retirees. He voted yes on a bill that would provide personal retirement accounts as a supplement to Social Security, and voted yes on a bill that would establish an income tax deduction for Social Security taxes paid by employees and the self-employed. He even voted for a bill that would’ve prohibited burning of the American flag.

    And there’s still more. In 2001, he voted against a bill that would’ve spent $448 billion on education and debt reduction to offset the $1.6 trillion tax cut. He voted yes to permit tax-free savings accounts of up to $2000 per child annually to be used for public or private school tuition or other education expenses. He even voted for a motion to invoke cloture on a bill aimed at allowing states to waive certain federal rules normally required in order to use federal school aid, and even voted for a bill to fund abstinence education to reduce pregnancy.

    Senator Thompson hasn’t done much for the United States of America , and could’ve chosen to vote no, to deny authorizing the use of military force in Iraq . To this day, he claims that we can’t cut and run in Iraq , and that the job must be finished to establish a democratic nation. He could simply have joined his liberal cohorts and spewed hatred of America . Instead, he stood by conservatism, the U.S. Constitution and President Bush.

    So when you begin to caucus or primary, elect the man who hasn’t chosen to make America his enemy. Elect the man who hasn’t signed onto irresponsible environmental treaties. Elect the man who didn’t vote to leave Saddam Hussein in power, and continues to support the troops and finishing the job in Iraq . Elect the man who didn’t continue to build a surplus with higher taxes. Elect the man who refused to vote to keep Partial Birth Abortion alive. Elect the man who doesn’t believe in gay marriage. Elect the man who’s not against the Second Amendment. Elect the man who has never been pro-choice. Elect the man who doesn’t want to continue throwing money at education. Elect a man that isn’t against states’ rights and school vouchers. Elect the man who hasn’t had any forays into liberalism, choosing instead to be a consistent conservative.

    So, if you don’t go to the polls for what he’s done, go and elect Fred Thompson for what he hasn’t done.

  92. debbie0040 says:


    The GOP’s Time for Choosing
    Mike Huckabee would make the party more like Europe’s Christian Democrats.

    Sunday, January 6, 2008 12:01 a.m. EST

    Mike Huckabee’s stunning victory in Thursday’s Iowa caucuses does more than change the GOP nomination race. With a platform explicitly grounded in his Christian faith and a populist economic message, Mr. Huckabee offers the Republican Party a new political narrative, light years removed from the limited government principles governing the GOP in the Reagan and post-Reagan era.

    This pro-faith, pro-government message may sound strange to American ears–but it is a staple of conservative political parties on the European continent. Mr. Huckabee, in other words, essentially gives Republicans a choice: Does the GOP want to become a Christian Democratic party? To answer that question, Republicans should look carefully at Christian Democracy to see if it is a model worth emulating.

  93. debbie0040 says:


    New Hampshire Pro-Life Group Backs Fred Thompson Before Primary Vote Email this article

    by Steven Ertelt
    LifeNews.com Editor
    January 5, 2008

    Concord, NH (LifeNews.com) — Fred Thompson has picked up an important endorsement just days before the second big presidential battleground in New Hampshire. Thompson, the former Tennessee senator, has earned the endorsement of New Hampshire Citizens for Life, a statewide pro-life organization.

    Citizens for Life is the 14th state pro-life organization to endorse Senator Thompson for President, including Wyoming where Thompson came in second in Saturday’s caucus vote.

    “Granite State voters like no-nonsense candidates who stand up for their beliefs. Fred Thompson is such a candidate,” Roger Stenson, the director of the group, told LifeNews.com on Saturday morning.

    “Fred Thompson had a 100% pro-life voting record as a member of the United States Senate,” he added. “For all of us who care about the dignity and sanctity of human life and the most basic freedom upon which our nation was founded — the right to life – Fred Thompson is a leader of great promise.”

    Thompson told LifeNews.com in a statement that he was “blessed and honored” to get the pro-life group’s endorsement.

    “These folks in the Granite State are the 14th organization coast to coast that has voted to endorse my candidacy, and more likely will, because they know I have stood with them yesterday, I stand with them today, and will stand with them tomorrow,” he said.

    “They know I have the ability to win this election. They know I believe in the sanctity of life and as President I will do all that I can to do to protect life,” Thompson added.

    The former attorney and actor opposes abortion and has said he favors overturning Roe v. Wade and letting states again ban abortions. He also opposes human cloning, embryonic stem cell research and assisted suicide.

    The New Hampshire pro-life organization joins a growing list of statewide pro-life groups backing Thompson, including North Carolina, California, Minnesota, Vermont, South Carolina, Virginia, Wisconsin, West Virginia, and New York.

    Looking at endorsements from other statewide pro-life groups, former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee has the backing of Georgia Right to Life and Michigan Chooses Life.

    Other pro-life advocates have endorsed Huckabee and pro-life leaders Jim Bopp, a highly-regarded attorney, and Dr. Jack Willke, widely considered to be one of the founders of the pro-life movement, have backed Mitt Romney.

    Several of the organizations making endorsements have said they oppose Rudy Giuliani’s attempt to win the GOP nomination because of his pro-abortion position

  94. No he is dead on.

    It echoes’ a conversation I had a couple of years ago with a steel exec.. His concern was that we have nearly completely dismantled our manufacturing infrastructure. Core goods such as steel and iron, which decades before we were the worlds producer, have been liquidated and sent to Japan, China etc.

    But dare we ever criticize the brokers that are the culprits of this dismantling. You get branded as a kook, zealot, ignorant and misinformed.

  95. rugby_fan says:

    “Can anyone make an argument why he shouldn’t be there?”

    He is not credible.

    Voters and opinion polls routinely place him on the fringe of the candidates running in the GOP.

  96. “I’m just trying to keep from going back to nowhere as fast as I got here. I think a lot of it is people are looking for a presidential candidate who reminds them more of the guy they work with, rather than the guy that laid them off.”

    — Gov. Mike Huckabee, during his appearance on the Tonight Show.

  97. debbie0040 says:

    Huckabee sound more like a Democrat with class war fare..

    Huckabee is not a conservative. He is a Christian moderate…

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