1. Icarus says:

    Q: “Is this the same 5 million he raised a couple of days ago or a different 5 million?”

    A: It doesn’t matter, because it’s that worthless paper money that Ron Paul wants to get rid of.

  2. Hank Reardan says:

    It is not the same you are talking about 5 th of Nov. Today itis to celebrate the Boston Tea party. Go take a look. I believe at http://www.gordonunleashed.com he has a ticker going. He also has a picture of when it started this morning. It started at 11.5 million this morning last time I checked it was 16.7 million

  3. Uncle Remus says:

    I agree with Maurice. He is the only viable Republican candidate in my opinion. He’s also the only respectable one. Obama v. McCain would be ideal.

  4. Jace Walden says:

    I have to admit, as of late, I have been giving McCain another look. There is a lot I disagree with him on as far as the war, immigration, and his understanding of pre-WWII history, but he is beginning to establish himself (in my mind anyway) as the only mature candidate with a legitimate shot to win.

    Not that I ever even considered Romney or Rudy or Hickabee, but they all seem petty and immature right now compared to McCain.

    I am a Ron Paul supporter, and should he lose the nomination and run as an independant (something he has denied wanting to do) I will still support him. Hell, I’ll most likely write his name in even if he isn’t on the ballot. But I can definitely understand how and why McCain is picking up such momentum lately…

  5. CHelf says:

    McCain is one of the few candidates running who you truly know what you’re getting. He’s been consistent. He has a hawkish view on foreign policy, he is dedicated to the best for our Armed Forces, and he has no problem taking on the tough issues to actually solve them. You may not like the guy’s positions but he’s rare in DC to actually be gutsy enough to NOT pander and actually WANT to take on tough issues to solve those problems. Add that to the fact he can say he’s the only candidate who has truly sacrificed his life in the most extreme of circumstances for his country. Not that doing so makes him any better but the fact that he has given his life under great duress in time of war and dedicated his life to public service…rare character. Leadership is taking charge on tough issues most politicians either avoid or pander to. He’s put aside his own ambitions of running for President to tackle the top two issues we’re facing: immigration and Iraq. Again, you may not like his position, but you could choose to support the ones pandering on the issues for votes OR those who would pass them off on someone else.

    The above statement was not endorsed or paid for by the John McCain campaign.

  6. Painterman says:

    Lets see………A liberal former Democrat endorses a Republican Presidential Candidate and I, a conservative Republican, am supposed to swoon??? No I’m still not impressed. McCain still violated his oath of office with McCain Feingold, so he does not have my support.

  7. Uncle Remus says:

    I don’t understand people who take issue with McCain Feingold. It doesn’t take people’s rights away, it grants millions more the opportunity to influence the process. If you want elections bankrolled by a few corporations, keep bashing it. It’s obviously more in the same vein as the Constitution as far as egalitarianism goes. I agree with you on Lieberman though, why is he such a big endorsement?

  8. shep1975 says:

    Totally off topic, but congratulations to Bull Moose (a.k.a. Clint Murphy) who was elected the Georgia Young Republican’s new National Committeeman last night to replace outgoing NCM and Muscogee County GOP Chairman Josh McKoon.

  9. Rick Day says:

    All this drivel and no word from the MSM on Dr. Paul’s 6 million dollar day.

    Someone has been recycling a lot of tin foil caps!

    How is this not news?

    I know..I know…to the conspiracy nut category with ye!

  10. Doug Deal says:

    I think McCain has the best chance of winning head to head versus a Democrat, but who wants someone with his two big blunders of Campaign Finance Reform and Immigration Reform?

    What other mistakes will he make as President? This is why Republicans will keep him out of the nomination.

  11. John Konop says:

    Hillary vs. McCain I do think McCain wins.

    They are the same on immigration, education, Iraq, Iran and trade.

    McCain is better on spending.

    Hillary is more popular on healthcare.

    The swing issue will than be the war and McCain wins on competency.

  12. CHelf says:


    Where do you draw the line on the ‘mistakes’ issue? Do you include personal life? I mean if they cannot even manage their own personal life issues, how can they run a country of 300 million people? What of those claiming to be principled and being principled for years but changing sides on key issues? What about those who cannot even put together a well-managed campaign to run for President? Whether you will admit it or not, Bush blundered Iraq and fortunately appears to have adjusted to recover. McCain has also done this.

    If “Blunder” is the measuring stick of who we elect, then we’d never have a President to begin with. You want someone who at least has the humility to admit mistakes and still manages to work with all parties to achieve success. Do you want someone who will pander or govern always on polls to make sure they are always the most popular only to neglect the important issues needing to be addressed? I expect blunders and expect them from every single candidate. But what they make of their blunders and how they continue to press on is the gauge of who they really are.

  13. Jace Walden says:

    You want someone who at least has the humility to admit mistakes and still manages to work with all parties to achieve success

    In Doug’s defense…

    McCain has never admitted to his stances on Immigration and McCain-Feingold as “mistakes”. In fact, he stands behind them wholeheartedly.

  14. Doug Deal says:


    You said what I was going to say.

    I forgive everything of everyone, as long as they have corrected the problem and moved on. Captain Queeg, instead just resists reality and become bitter at those who are right.

    If he learned that he is not infalable, and had any hope of admitting a mistake, perhaps I would have fewer problems with him.

  15. Bill Simon says:

    If McCain had been our nominee in 2000 and elected President, I don’t think we would have had “McCain-Feingold.”

    Besides, McCain just proposed the bill…you should be blaming ALL of the members of Congress who voted for the bill AND the President for signing it if you think it was such bad law.

    Hey…how did Huckabee’s hero (i.e., John Linder) vote on McCain-Feingold?

  16. CHelf says:

    Jace and Doug,

    I guess keeping a status quo of illegals continuing to come in and abuse the system is better? Frankly, the course advocated by many who opposed McCain’s plan does more for amnesty than anything. It keeps loopholes in place that actually let more illegals continue coming in whether there is a fence or not.

    Whether we’re referring to mistakes or not he has still seen the opposition and continues to work on more acceptable plans to achieve success. Doug, you refer to him as hardheaded but why say that when McCain has continued to work on plans to address illegal immigration? It’s odd to claim he’s stubborn when he looks for other paths to resolve the problem. While one side continues to think a fence will solve the problem and does not give on that, McCain has at least sought to find solutions addressing ALL problems with the issue. Who is the one resisting reality and thinking they are infalable?

  17. Painterman says:

    I do blame all who voted for McCain Feingold, but it was McCain’s baby and he’s the one running for President.

  18. Still Looking says:

    After the convention, the Democrats will be united around their nominee. Not so with the GOP. They’ll still be fighting over immigration, abortion, gay marraige, gun control, prayer in schools and apparently McCain Feingold. Of these issues, only immigration is of any significance to the general election voter swing voters. You GOPers are gonna take a hard one on the chin.

  19. Doug Deal says:

    Addressing illegal immigration by rewarding felons is a mistake. Anyone who is here illegally has committed one felony or another by committing tax fraud or identity theft. They cannot be working here without committing one crime or the other, and both are felonies.

    I want immigrants to be welcomed in our country, but not without some kind of paper trail about who they are, why they are coming here, proof of their birth and background checks. All of this is known about natural born citizens and legal aliens. People who follow the rules should not be punished because McCain wants dirt cheap labor.

  20. Doug Deal says:

    Still Looking,

    I can tell by your red stained lips and tongue, you have been into the Donkey brand Kool-aid again.

    The Democrats are far from united. Labor wants no part of your job killing AGW scare tactis, the anti-war left want no part of Hillary, and abortion is hardly settled law in your ranks (just check the abortion stance of a great number of the newly elected Dems in the last congressional elections).

    Contention in primaries is actually a good thing. Stifling it is what gets you Gore, John Kerry and l’il Bush.

  21. CHelf says:

    I guess not doing anything about the means most illegals came into the country is a better method? I guess doing nothing about every other method of entry is a better solution? I guess pointing all focus to a fence barely being built is a better way to not only stop illegals from entering along every other mile of border (including the coast) plus losing focus on the 20 million already here is better. The whole immigration issue should not be held hostage at taxpayers expense because a few people want a fence in their backyard.

  22. Doug Deal says:


    You sound like the tin foil liberals who “want to do something” about everything under the sun.

    If what you are doing makes matters worse, you are contributing to the problem, and doing nothing is absolutely better.

    Maybe we should enact the Kyoto Accord because at least we would be “doing something”. If all McCain is looking to do is “something” no matter what the cost or prudence of the action, then we are lucky Captain Queeg has no traction.

  23. CHelf says:

    I sound like a tin foil liberal because I want to do something about immigration? Odd that you and others want to do something as well. Are all of the people wanting to do something about a fence and rounding up 20 million people and removing them as well tin foil liberals? Your statement makes no sense. Your response is indicative of a knee jerk overreaction and misunderstanding of the issue. Nice to bring in some liberal environmental idea.

    By your logic, your position is making matters worse. You are choosing to solely focus on one method and one border while illegals still pour in from other borders and legals come in and let their visas expire in loopholes in the system. Your position allows those 20 million you despise to continue and mooch off the system as you build your fence. Taxpayer money is still being abused. Those illegals your position says are flooding emergency rooms? That fence does nothing to stop that either.

    So while McCain chooses to address the entire issue and tackle ALL of the methods on illegal immigration, you only focus on one little portion of the problem while the matter continues to deteriorate. Your logic is to ignore the full problem and only focus on a fraction of the matter. Your side has given amnesty to even more illegals to continue to abuse the system. Americans employing illegals love the fact you continue to give them a free pass to hire even more crossing our border. This is the insane policy that locks the front door but leaves the windows and back door not only unlocked but wide open. Smart policy.

    It’s a good thing we’re not using this logic on the War on Terror. We know terrorists would really be deterred by a fence along the southern border. I’m sure the thought of that fence has al Qaeda shaking in their boots.

  24. Still Looking says:

    Doug, I’m an avid drinker and the Kool Aide tastes so sweet this time. You do remember that Gore won the popular vote. That is generally a good sign for a candidate. Ironically as VeeP, he didn’t have much primary competiton.

    Most Democrats are satisfied with any of the candidates, even the second tier. Republicans on the other hand have people saying that if Romney wins, or McCain wins, or if Rudi wins or if Huckabee wins…I won’t show up. The Christian wing of your party has big problems with Rudi, Romney and McCain. The anti-illegal immigrant wing has reservations about those same candidates. The tax cutters and the hawks can’t heart Huckabee. Hardly anybody can live with Paul, and Thompson proves the point. His entire reason for running is to be the annointed consensus conservative canditate for those that can’t stand the others.

    I agree competition isn’t the problem for the GOP. Running previous elections on wedge issues is the problem. Your going to suffer from the whirlwind you created. Those tactics are going to come back and bite your big old backside this time.

  25. Doug Deal says:


    Your comments smell of someone who has bought into a candidate, and is completely happy twisting all logic to defend the indefensable.

    Immigration is a problem because people like McCain, Bush and others choose to look the other way. McCain’s pet idea would reward the very people who have been completely flaunting the law all along.

    If current federal laws were enforced by an executive leader who cared, illegals would self deport.

    Each and every illegal on your payroll that you pay in cash is a felony, it’s called tax evasion. Each illegal who works under an assumed name using someone else’s ss# is committing fraud and identity theft.

    The reason why people come here illegally is because it is easy, they get rewarded for it, and there is little risk. If jobs dried up because employers were at risk, and also if there was deportment and permanent exclusion from legal immigration, less would risk the journey. Also, people are not going to stay in the USA and starve when the whole purpose of coming here is to earn money.

    As long as people like McCain hang a big “Illegals Welcome” sign over our borders, the problem will simply get worse.

    It is his own arrogance and especially his pig-headedness that has cost McCain what could have been a pretty easy trip to the white house.

  26. Doug Deal says:


    You lose a lot of credibility, when you mention the GOP running on wedge issue, and fail to mention EVERY issue the Dems run on are wedge issues.

    Tell me if you have heard any of these slogans over the years?

    “Republicans want to cut school lunches and make children starve”.

    “Republicans just want tax breaks for the rich”.

    “Republicans are just for the fat cats while ‘working families’ suffer”

    “Republicans have done nothing for African Americans”

    “Republicans are bought and sold by the CORPORATIONS”

    “Republicans want to destroy the environment”.

    “Republicans want to let corporations rob your pension funds”.


  27. CHelf says:

    No actually. The problem will persist because some people think building a fence will solve the problem. Those people do not realize that many of these people do not even come into this country from our southern border and many of them come into our country by legal means. So right there a narrowminded viewpoint has ensured this problem will continue even after the fence is built. You’re right. People are breaking the law. But please tell me how solely focusing on a fence will stop people from breaking the law and how it will catch them. How will it stop people from staying here after their visas and work permits expire? How will understaffed agencies be able to round up all of these people and ship them across the border?

    Maybe if we imposed stiff fines and jail sentences for the American citizens who are employing these people the issue will resolve itself. They come here because of the demand. If Americans knew what they’d get if caught, they would not hire any. No demand means no illegals here to seek work.

  28. Doug Deal says:


    The straw man you have been arguing over fences has conceeded defeat; however, I will not pick up his argument.

    I do think we are in agreement in that they come here because of demand. People want their houses built cheaply, yards mowed cheaply, and a cheap housekeeper. It is like the “drug war”, as long as you have demand, no amouont of attacking supply will work.

  29. Doug Deal says:


    Here is my idea of a way that we can handle our immigration woes. Not saying that this is the only answer, and it may not even be the best, but I do think it would work. It is also rough because I wrote it very quickly, and there are a number of details that I have left out.

    My proposal
    The problem must be attacked at all angles, supply and demand, and it must appeal to human nature, this is accomplished by:

    Enforce all tax laws to their full extent to their full extent. If people are paying illegals off of the books, arrest those people, fine them, close down their businesses and throw them in jail.

    Set up a computerized SS# validation service. The business owner simply has to put a tax payer id# into a computer with the last name, first initial and birth date, and it will say whether they are permitted to work as a citizen, green carded immigrant or work visa immigrant.

    Change the law so that hiring illegals without proving due diligence (as described above) is a felony, which means confiscation of business assets (as contraband to a crime) and meaningful fines. For corporations, it means criminal penalties to responsible officers who fail to act with due diligence when hiring.

    Create a new class of visa that is easy to get called a visitor

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