1. debbie0040 says:

    It will be interesting to see if that poll has the same results a month from now with all the negative information now coming out about Huckabee.

  2. debbie0040 says:

    So are a lot of people. I think that Fred will step to the plate .

    New York Times
    December 10, 2007
    G.O.P. Voters Are Uninspired by Candidates
    Three weeks before the Iowa caucuses, Republicans voters across the country appear uninspired by their field of presidential candidates, with a vast majority saying they have not made a final decision about who to support, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News Poll.

    None of the Republican candidates is viewed favorably by even half of the Republican electorate, the poll found. In a sign of the fluidity of the race, one candidate who had barely registered in early polls several months ago, Mike Huckabee, the former governor of Arkansas, is now locked in a tight contest nationally with Rudolph W. Giuliani of New York and Mitt Romney of Massachusetts.

  3. CHelf says:

    Does this mean Fred is dead? His southern firewall strategy is imploding. GA, SC, and FL do not look good. AR is added there as well. He should have locked up the south by now. Seeing his national numbers dropping and Huck’s surging makes me wonder if his followers are fleeing to Huck.

    Debbie, Rush had nice things to say about Mitt as well. The National Review endorsed Mitt as well.

    Time is running out. With IA and NH being close and the holidays distracting many from watching TV or reading the mail outside of Christmas cards, will anything negative stick?

  4. shep1975 says:

    A lot of Fred’s supporters have crossed into the Huckabee camp. Add the Brownback supporters and that’s why Huckabee has taken the lead.

    Fred’s time to step up to the plate has come and gone. You cannot go into the final weeks of a campaign with your numbers heading down. You want up, or, at the very least, holding even.

    Remember, people make up their minds late. If you’re moving down as people make up their minds, you might as well throw in the towel. At this point people are making their decisions and you will see that slice of “undecided” pie get smaller and smaller. Look which candidate is eating that pie and you can pretty accurately guess your winner.

  5. Bill Simon says:

    From what I’ve read, Huckabee just pardons people because they ask him to.

    Wow…he appears to be as deep a thinker as GWB. Huckabee’s brain apparently works like this: “You sound like a good fellow…and I certainly don’t care about who you maimed, robbed or murdered…I’m just gonna put in a good word with the parole board to see if we can’t get you out of prison a little bit earlier, Mm-kay?”

  6. CHelf says:

    Ask the Club For Growth Debbie. They’ve been pounding away for months to weaken Huckabee. Stories have been pouring out for the past few weeks. Dumond, raising taxes, HIV patients, etc. Add that to the fact Huck was endorsed by Gilchrist, the Minuteman Project head, and you get even more support. Also, consider the story within the past week about Huck’s GA operation. It’s quite strong and definitely grassroots heavy. If Huck’s numbers in GA have surged before he even gets an established base, what does that say for the guy who should have locked GA up long ago?

    As shep said, Fred’s squandered the chance. He screwed up in NH, was weak in IA, and is now losing the states he basically had as his firewall. If he’s losing his base in the South, he is done. Ask McCain how it goes in dropping hard and trying to inch back.

  7. juliobarrios says:

    I’m a conservative, who also happens to be a dedicated Christian, but I think there is a fine line between Christian Conservative and bleeding heart. I worry that many in the movement have crossed that line, including Huckabee.

  8. rightbeforeleft says:

    its clear that Fred is over. Too bad FredState and FredPundit aren’t gonna recognize that for another 3 months.

  9. Dave says:

    Fred is done. Put a fork in him. What started out with a lot of promise has just fizzled. What a major, major disappointment. I think we expected him to be like the tough characters he played in the movies. Too bad.

  10. Bull Moose says:

    Huckabee has secured secured a position on the ticket – it just depends if he’s heading it or if he’s VP…

    Momentum is a hard thing to stop and right now it’s on Huck’s side in Iowa and McCain’s side in New Hampshire.

    What a ticket that would make!


  11. Jace Walden says:

    What a ticket that would make!


    Any ticket that includes Hickabee is a ticket that fiscal conservatives and libertarians will not support. We’ll either vote third party, democrat, or sit the whole thing out.

    Republicans really need to pull their heads from their asses if they want to have a chance of winning this election.

  12. TPSoCal says:

    I have been undecided for a long time now. Right now it’s between McCain, Thompson & Romney in that order. If I am still undecided on primary day, I will vote for Ron Paul as a protest. I was very excited about Thompson before he actually entered the race. I am not even sure he is really running.

    I really don’t care for Huck and I am a social con. Unlike Huck, I am also a fiscal con. I don’t want him on the ticket. I want Pawlenty as VP.

    McCain/Pawlenty ’08!

  13. Still Looking says:

    Jace, if locking up the libertarian vote is the key to the GOP, your party is in deep doodoo. That’s like the Dems locking up the Green Party. You listen to too much Boortz. Ron Paul will never break into double digits.

    Huck is doing well because he is a fesh face with a positive message and he isn’t full of hyper-partisanship. (Think Obama.) People don’t want meaness this year. And with the longest campaign ever, the attack ads are going to be counterproductive. Huckabee’s “surge” came after Mitt and Rudy attacked each other on CNN and Fred ran an attack ad on Huck and Rominey.

  14. DavidAtlanta says:

    Huckabee’s way-to-the-right social leanings and way-to-the-left fiscal leanings will make him an easy target for the Democrats, should he win the nomination.

    Huckabee wants the government in your bedroom and in your wallet. Want higher taxes? Huck’s your man! Want more government involvement in your private life? Huck’s your man again!

    Given his quick rise from obscurity to near-front-runner, the press is just now starting to pay attention to his past. I think most Americans aren’t going to like what they learn.

  15. GOPeach says:

    Well Alrighty Then! 🙂

    Huckabee it is! I can go with that! He is the right man for America. I really believe it.

    I get that ” Paul Broun” feeling with Gov. Huckabee…. V I C T O R Y

    Oh and I think he will be more than fine going up against the Democrats. He has had plenty of experience working with them and he knows what appeals to a broad base of people.

    I just hope all the GOP Party people on this blog can get behind Gov. Huckabee after giving so much amo to the liberal left. I think it is time to circle the wagons and start thinking about NOVEMBER.

  16. GodHatesTrash says:

    The Huckleberry’s gonna win this thing. He’s got the evangelical vote, and – to paraphrase H.L. Mencken – you’ll never lose underestimating the intelligence of the evangelical voter.

    President Mike Huckleberry – get used to it. You rednecks will never ever vote for a woman (Hillary) or a minority (Obama), and you are the American voting majority, once you factor in the vagaries of the Electoral College.

  17. GodHatesTrash says:

    Back in the 70s, I used to watch HeeHaw from time to time, never thinking I was watching the future leadership of the USA…

  18. debbie0040 says:

    GOP Peach, are you that naive? Everything I posted on this blog about Hucakbee came from news reports. No one had to give the Democrats anything.

    The Democrats want Huckabee as their nominee. They have even given a hint to the types of ads they will run: He’ll easily be their McGovern, an easy kill,” mocked one senior Democrat operative Tuesday morning from Washington […] “His letting out murderers because they shout ‘Jesus’, his wanting to put 300,000 AIDS patients and Magic Johnson into isolation, ain’t even scratching the surface of what we’ve got on him.”

    Imagine the Willy Horton type ads the Democrats will run about the 1003 criminals he commuted the sentence of or pardoned. Imagine ads showing Japanese Internment camps during WWII and then cutting to Huckabee making the statement about quarantining AIDS patients.

    GOPeach, promise that Huckabee won’t enact a AIDS Tax , hell he has taxed almost everything else while Governor or Arkansas….

  19. John Konop says:

    The Democrats want Huckabee over Fred wake me up Thompson, scandal of the week Rudy and Mitt I was for it before I was against it.

    The two candidates the Dems would have the biggest problem with is Paul and McCain.

    Both have bigger issues with the GOP in a primary than a general election. McCain over his stance on immigration but that would be neutral since the Dems sound like him.

    Ron Paul stance on being against nation building which is supported by 60 to 70 % of Americans but the GOP insiders still push.

    People like Debbie are the Dems best friend in this election!

  20. debbie0040 says:

    The last debate before the Iowa Caucuses is today. It will be on Iowa Public Television live at 2 p.m. EST with a replay at 7 p.m. You can also watch it on CNN, Fox News, C-SPAN3, and at DesMoinesRegister.com

  21. Jace Walden says:

    Still Looking,

    If Democrats had locked up the Green Party vote in 2000, Al Gore would have won Florida. As it turns out though, the Democrats didn’t take Nader seriously, and the rest is history.

    The GOP is headed straight down that same road by even considering nominating Tax Hike Mike. Fiscal Conservatives, Independents, and Libertarians will not support a ticket with Hickabee’s name on it.

    Not that I have a vested interest or anything. I actually hope the Republicans do lose. There is no hope for the GOP as it is now. I would rather see it completely die off for a while. Right now, the GOP is just an embarassment.

    Besides, a Democratic President would be no worse than a Republican President. The two parties are identical.

  22. eburke says:

    I really wanted to support Thompson but he just sat there like a knot on a log at the debates. He has no passion (which translates into “he has no conviction”) Huckabee impressed me and has kept impressing me. I also think that He and McCain would be a strong ticket.

  23. Jace Walden says:


    How can you possibly consider yourself to be a fiscal conservative and support Huckabee?

    Huckabee and Fiscal Conservatism are mutually exclusive. Huckabee is a stupid mouth-breathing Hick who wants to put Aids patients in leper colonies.

  24. GOPeach says:

    Debbie Dear-

    Tax Codes begin in Congress ( The US House of Representatives) NOT the Executive Branch. Go back and read the Constitution. Even Hillary will not raise taxes single handedly. It is up to each member of Congress to VOTE. That means that Grass Roots – Local Citizenship is Key.

    You talk like some Top-Down Establishment type. I know you are getting nervous because FRED is loosing. He dragged his feet to get in the race and now he drags his feet running. He doesn’t have fire in his belly. He doesn’t want this Debbie. You want Fred more than Fred wants you ( and Americans).

    I was a little turned off when Fred ” NEEDED” to be recruited. Now mind you – He very well could be the best man for the job but he seems to have played to Hollywood instead of the base. Because he is not really a Californian ( like Reagan) .

    Fred appears to be a bit full of himself. I do not see him as ” The People’s President”. That is who Mike Huckabee is.

    Now we will have to hold GINGREY, PRICE, WESTMORELAND, SAXBY, etc…feet to the fire on a local level.

  25. Still Looking says:

    Libertarians and Greens are fringe voters. Over 90% of the voters are something else. Boortz, who you never listen to (however you apparently know he has endorsed Huck. Huum?) promotes Libertarian views. If you think the Democratic and Republican parties are the same, your judgement isn’t grounded in reality. I hope that clears it up for you.

  26. debbie0040 says:

    I see what you are saying Peach. If Huckabee is elected President we need to depend on our Congressmen to stop him from raising taxes.

    Great point !

    The again he could go to Congress and beg them to raise taxes like he did when he was Governor or Arkansas….

  27. ChuckEaton says:


    In a perfect world we could all hug each other and have a “let’s be friends” foreign policy, but the reality is that there are millions of radical muslims that want to kill us. They don’t care about some arbitrary lines that were drawn after WWII that state you live in Syria, Iraq, or Iran – to them it’s one big muslim nation. It’s not like fighting Japan or Germany – country is irrelevant.

    They are still fuming over the Christian crusades.

    It be great to return to isolationism, but that train left the station a long time ago.

  28. Jace Walden says:

    Still Looking,

    Greens are fringe. I’m not talking about Libertarian Party members, I’m talking about people who are philosophically libertarian…studies have shown that around 30% of people are philosophically libertarian. Not saying that all of them will stay home, just enought to have a democrat win.

    I heard that Boortz endorsed Huckabee from Jason Pye. I honestly have only listened to Boortz once or twice in my life.

    If you think the Democratic and Republican parties are the same, your judgement isn

  29. Jace Walden says:

    One more point that you failed to address though:

    If it wasn’t for those fringe voting Greens, Al Gore would have won in 2000.

    In an election that is decided by literally a few thousand votes, it’s the “fringe” and “swing” voters that control the outcome.

  30. GOPeach says:

    Chuck –

    You are very right!

    Islam has a “bait and switch” Treaty Policy.

    They sign ” Peace Treaties” UNTIL they are strong enough to ATTACK you and wage Jihad again. The ” Deals’ they make are not COVENANTS .

    We understand them as Covenants. They understand them as Pause Buttons! AKA – ” to be continued when you least expect it!”.

  31. GOPeach says:


    I hate to lay into you dear –
    You really are precious. I really sense your patriotic concerns – however you must not attack your brother, Huckabee like that.

    Look – I’m no Baptist and no offense to all you folks who are… at least you know how to REPENT and make things right with God I guess…

    Who knows – Maybe Bro. Mike has seen the error of his ways and has had a change of heart.
    He sure seems like he is all heart.

    When he gets SWORN IN … let’s PRAY for him.

  32. GOPeach says:


    I am a RON PAUL supporter…

    But…. too many people do not get him. I do think he has started a NEW BREED! That is awesome. NOW we will have to keep THAT FIRE going!

    make sense?

  33. Jace Walden says:

    I’m glad to hear you’re supporting the only conservative left in the race…

    But if you’re insinuating that Huckabee and Paul are the same…they’re not.

    The two are almost polar opposites.

    I’m for Paul too.

  34. debbie0040 says:

    Ron Paul has as much shot to win the General Election as Huckabee does.

    You need to relay the “not to attack your brother” sentiment to Huckabee. He sure has been attacking but I guess it is ok by you for Huckabee to go on the attack but not others..

    Peach, are we supposed to ignore Huckabee’s record and just blindly follow him on faith? Get real..

  35. Jace, I’m definitely a fiscal conservative. But I am also a realist.

    People can pimp out a position from 15 years ago, regarding a highly flammable issue. When you put what he said in the context of the day, it wasn’t that flammable. If you recall, the only disease on the planet was AIDS. The hysteria from every side provided enough information and disinformation that clouded the whole disease. Fifteen years later, we have far more information on how to handle it.

    The left is making a non-issue a smoke screen.

    Huckabee took the helm of a state mired in corruption and did an excellent job. Was everything perfect? I don

  36. Jace Walden says:

    The only difference between Obama and Huckabee is that Obama can win the General Election.

    Fiscally, they’re the same.

    Oh, and Obama doesn’t want to put Aids patients in leper colonies.

  37. IndyInjun says:

    A lot of the brain-dead in Georgia listen to Boortz and are fans of the FAIR????tax.

    The Dems are positively drooling over the prospect of Hucksterbee as their opponent as Matt Drudge posted this morning.

    If John Barrow destroyed Burns with those simplistic “Max Tax” ads, can you imagine what the Dems can legitimately do to Taxabee running on the FAIR????tax?

    The GOP has a death wish for it is clinging to a lead weighted corpse in the sea that is 2008, while eschewing the chance to restore the Reagan Coaltion that brought them to power. Ron Paul is the only chance they have and they are chasing the same ‘strategy’ as in the 2006 wipe-out.

    The seductions and trappings of yesterday’s power are very powerful, no?

  38. Doug Deal says:


    This is a little bit off topic and somewhat sarcastic, but I wonder if maybe, the lessons about AIDS hysteria from the 80’s possibly has some remote relevancy to today with the media-portrayed coming end of the world in the form of Bird Flu and Global Warming.

    Probably not.

  39. Bill Simon says:

    “The GOP has a death wish for it is clinging to a lead weighted corpse in the sea that is 2008, while eschewing the chance to restore the Reagan Coaltion that brought them to power.”

    “eschewing”…Dang, Indy, you sure be quite loquacious! 😉

  40. IndyInjun says:


    Eschewing spending would inscrutable for the current GOP weltanschauung, all about Schiping us to collapse.

  41. GOPeach says:


    Fred doesn’t walk on water fiscally!
    He is a trail lawyer who believes in taking tax money to murder babies conceived by rape.

    And Rudy ….get real 🙂

  42. GOPeach says:

    Jace –

    I do not think Huckabee and Paul are the same. Where Ron Paul looses me is on the war. Because I am married to a Jewish man, I have a heart for Israel. I think we need to stand with Israel and fight Islamofacism in the Middle East.

    Gov. Huckabee stands with us on this. That is where we veer.

  43. GOPeach says:

    There are 2 grass fires in the GOP – Ron Paul and Huckabee!

    What they have in common are:

    100% Pro- Life
    No IRS
    Flat Tax
    State Control Education
    State Control Health care
    State Control Civil Unions

  44. John Konop says:

    Go Peach

    I agree Islam is the law in the Midddle East but it is a very tribal mentality. And the practice of Islam varies a lot between groups. Also they have been killing each other for a very long time. The issue is more of the Middle East struggle to become part of the 21 first centuries. That is why Democracy is more of mob rule in the Middle East.

  45. Jace Walden says:


    Fair enough. But I’ll add that Paul and Huckabee do differ on the issue of fiscal conservatism.

    Now, I know to most Republicans and “Conservatives” that fiscal conservatism is not an important issue (to some its a dead issue), but I just wanted to point out that this is the issue where Ron Paul differs from Huckabee and Romney.

    Notice I didn’t say Giuliani, McCain, and Thompson…for the most part, these three were more or less fiscally conservative.

  46. rugby_fan says:

    “the Arab Countries are ruled by ISLAMIC LAW!!!”

    There is such thing as Judaic Law, does that mean Judaism is a government?

    Moreover, there are politicians in America who want to enact laws based on the Bible, or create Christian Law, does that mean Christianity is a government?

    Simply because there are laws that are derived from, or based on a religion, does not mean that that faith is a government.

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