116 comments

  1. Doug Deal says:

    The Battle:
    Winner: McCain
    Losers: Thompson and Romney

    The War:
    Winner: Giuliani
    Loser: Thompson

    McCain had a good debate, but no one knocked Giuliani off the top of the mountain. Time is running out.

    Thompson is still spinning his wheels waiting for traction that looks like will never come.

  2. Still Looking says:

    Huckabee: Confident, bright, charming
    McCain: Fleeting moments of strength
    Romney: Wishy-washy, except on Stars and bars. Good luck in SC.
    Giulinai: Apparently there is an infinite number of “I’s” in Giulini. A new York bragger, if I ever heard one.
    Thompson: An attack ad??? Otherwise utterly unremarkable

    The rest: mostly nuts one way or another.

  3. CHelf says:

    Thompson looked confused and lost. If anything his appearance will further the tired and no fire in the belly image that is steadily growing. The jokes about being past his bedtime will really get going.

    I think Mitt and Rudy lost some serious votes in SC and perhaps IA with guns, abortion, the Bible, and maybe even the CBF.

    Mitt seemed to stammer and stumble and to me appeared to try too hard to hit the right words conservatives want to hear.

    Huckabee and McCain came across as winners tonight. The world seems to be falling in love with Huck’s charm. But he still has not hit the meat of many issues and will be forced to answer on substance. The love affair for him will soon come to an end. I think he’s peaking too early. Rudy’s coming off of his peak. Who will be the next to peak?

  4. Mike Hauncho says:

    The YouTube debate might be the worst thing I have ever seen. The questions were stupid. They were designed to make Republicans look bad. What was the deal with the Confederate flag?

  5. Bill Simon says:

    Peach, you must have been taking your medicine…Thompson was the best ever!

    But, here is my Winner List:

    John McCain
    Fred Thompson
    Tom Tancredo

    LOSER LIST

    1) Couldn’t-Fake-It-If-He-Had-To-Mitt-Romney

    2) Would-Side-With-Any-Dem-On-Gun-Control-Guliani

    Neutral List

    Duncan Hunter
    Ron Paul
    Mike Huckabee-Would-Spend-Money-To-Go-To-Mars.

  6. GOPeach says:

    I have an old campaign button that says,

    ” Let Clinton be the first man on Mars”

    I think we should add WO to man.

    That woman should think about having grandchildren instead of all this president stuff.
    She is no Margaret Thatcher.

  7. GOPeach says:

    I am a Ron Paul fan at heart.

    He talks to everyone like he is lecturing them or scolding them. Yet he has the sweetest smile.

    His comments on abortionists was spot on!
    They are murderers!

  8. John Konop says:

    Last night will only help Huckabee more. Also McCain and Paul are growing in the polls. As people see Rudy and Romney close up they will fade.

    Huckabee 28% Romney 25%

    R-The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of the Iowa caucus finds former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee with 28% of the vote, former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney with 25% support, and everyone else far behind. National frontrunner Rudy Giuliani gets just 12% of the vote in Iowa at this time while former Tennessee Senator Fred Thompson is the only other candidate in double digits at 11%

    http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/huckabee-28-romney-25

  9. NonPartisanGA says:

    Hillary plants question in Republican debate

    It turns out that Keith Kerr, retired Colonel., U.S. Army; retired Brigadier General, California National Reserve, who submitted a YouTube question about gays in the military, is actually a member of Hillary Clinton’s Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transexual Americans For Hillary Steering Committee. He’s also part of a film production crew trying overturn the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy.

    http://www.townhall.com/blog/g/d91f3cba-6a87-4686-92ce-70a16edc311b

  10. Jace Walden says:

    Unfortunately, I think Mike Huckabee won this thing going away.

    McCain also did extremely well. I would say he came in second.

    Ron Paul, I think held his own on the questions he was asked…save the couple of times he ranted about something that had nothing to do with the question asked. Overall, I’d say he came in 3rd.

    Fred! was uninpsiring as usual. He looked completely lost up there. He did have a few good answers, but he was stumbling and bumbling all over the place.

    Mitt got owned by Giuliani and McCain. At this point, I don’t see how anyone can honestly still want to vote for Mitt. He would be much better at selling used cars.

    Giuliani was ho-hum. I don’t think he really hurt himself in the debate, but I don’t think he helped himself either.

    I really wish the other candidates would have went after Mike Huckabee’s fiscal record. He does not have a good record of fiscal conservatism. I don’t think the other candidates are taking him seriously at all…

    I’m going to throw this out there and tell me what you think:

    Mike Huckabee wins the nomination.

    Agree/Disagree?

  11. jsm says:

    I’m beginning to feel that any hope I had is lost of having a fiscal conservative in the White House.

    Also, this Nation is in sad shape when presidential debates must include questions about diamonds vs. pearls and the Yankees. That kind of insignificance should be relegated to Larry King.

  12. YourFutureLeader says:

    Winners:
    Huckabee-Did very well and again had the lines of the night. His fiscal policy is shaking but nobody can get that to stick to him. His bible answer and the one about Jesus were absolutely perfect in substance and delivery. Won him the night.
    McCain-Nailed Romney on waterboarding, but lost a little something when he accused Paul’s attitude of allowing for the rise of Hitler
    Paul-Consistent as always but he needs to stay on topic, did well in response to McCain

    Losers:
    Thompson-This guy just needs to drop out, he’s done. Airing the first attack ad is ridiculous, and he had one good answer all night, just sad at this point
    Rudy-His shot at Romney to start the campaign was a low blow and he never turned it around
    Romney-His water boarding answer was pathetic, and the only good answer he gave was on stars and bars.

  13. IndyInjun says:

    Hucksterbee is a silver-tongued devil who figures to win given the majority of voters’ penchant for making whimsical decisions like the ones that gave us Carter and Bush 43. He certainly used his skills at deception last night.

    He is the only one on that stage who would force me to vote for Hillary.

  14. jsm says:

    Huckabee’s line was cute and all about sending Hillary to Mars, but he actually said “…we need to put more money into science and technology and exploration.” That was the worst answer anyone gave all night. He obviously is the type of guy who wants to give everybody’s pet program more money to keep people happy.

    Tancredo got it right: “This is it, folks. That’s why we have such incredible problems with our debt, because everybody’s trying to be everything to all people. We can’t afford some things, and by the way, going to Mars is one of them.”

    Our next president needs to be able to stand up to Congress and say what he said, “We can’t afford some things.”

  15. Joy says:

    Huckabee and McCain were the winners. I’m not voting for either of them, but they had the best performances.

    Rudy and Romney annoyed me. Both came across as overly smug weasels. They made Huckabee & McCain look great, instead of just good.

    Fred Thompson’s only memorable contributions were the joke about the Dick Cheney cartoon and his answer to the question about his gun ownership.

    I like Tancredo, but I think it’s about time for him and Hunter to go. Especially Hunter.

    And Ron Paul? For every statement he makes which is spot-on, there’s one which causes me to cringe. I’m still supporting him, since the cringe-worthy comments are still outweighed by the smaller government, less taxes, budget cutting, let people run their own lives, let states make decisions the federal government has no business making, comments.

  16. MountainThinker says:

    Huckabee didn’t say he’d fund a trip to Mars. What he did say is that science and technology funding and support is essential to furthering the American economy and way of life, another one of those oft-forgotten elements of Reaganism.

    It was Ronald Reagan, with his belief in funding American science and R&D with tax incentives, grants, loans, etc that brought on the TIDAL WAVE of scientific achievement and market development that was the 1990’s. Bill Clinton did nothing but help to create the ‘bubble’ of 99-2000 and the NAFTArmath collapse of the American manufacturing sector and the disgusting deficit in the balance of trade that is crushing the valuation of the American dollar and financing the rise of Communist China and their development of a world class military.

    America’s greatest natural resource is our people’s ability to think and innovate. We’ve been shackeling it with gov’t redtape and taxation for at least 15 years and Gov. Huckabee is the only viable candidate for President in the Republican Party who had the guts to say so last night.

    To hear some talk, you’d think that the government should have left it to private enterprise alone to develop airplanes, telecommunications, the internet, and nuclear energy without the help or support of government in any way, shape, or form.

    When ideological ‘purity’ stands in complete contrast to the needs of a nation for security (military and economic!), then you’ve lost the point, and when the tally is counted, you’ll lose the election too. Conservative principles can make government work properly. If you believe that government is truly the problem, as opposed to thinking that the manner in which it currently operates is the problem, then you’re nothing more than an Anarchist who lacks the intestinal fortitude to truly stand up for your beliefs. Instead, you would rather wrap yourself in the larger and more publicly acceptable Conservative banner while neither working to achieve its goals nor acting as a constructive commentator, choosing instead to cast stones from behind the wall of Conservatism in whose shadow you cower for protection…

  17. MountainThinker says:

    Gov’t support, both from a political bully pulpit standpoint and through tax incentives and grants that make innovative but risky and perhaps short-term financially foolish research possible have had a GREAT impact on scientific breakthroughs throughout the course of the last century. To pretend otherwise is disingenuous, and to paint those who support the concept as lefties is wrong of you. Bill, I’ve always respected you, even when I disagree with you from time to time, because you work diligently for the cause and you have for many years. That being said, you mention 19th century inventions as a counterpoint, several of which (especially aviation!) have received BILLIONS in gov’t aid, subsidy, tax abatement/credits, or other support and our country in many cases is better for it. I’m not defending the earmark process or some of the obviously frivolous and unneccesary things like building a rainforest in Iowa (there are perfectly good ones we could pay to research in Costa Rica or elsewhere for cheaper), but to pretend that the concept of public-private partnership based research holds little or no value to the American people or to our long-term scientific/economic interests is inaccurate to the point of absurdity…

  18. drjay says:

    there was a debate last nite–i was watching the vh1 countdown of the greatest 1 hit wonders of all time–“the future’s so bright, i gotta wear shades”…

  19. Bill Simon says:

    MT,

    I didn’t call you a “leftie.” I just said there was NO difference between your justifications for government investments and the Left’s call for government investments into their agenda.

    HOW much more money would private enterprise have if it wasn’t for the money SENT to the federal government to be redistributed to these wonderful public-private partnerships (some of which produced $400 hammers and $2000 toilets in 1986 dollars)?

    Really now, all I’m saying is that the government is NOT the most efficient use of dollars for a lot of research activities. Let the free enterprise system work more because the waste is inexcusable, regardless of the minute “good” it sometimes produces.

  20. Doug Deal says:

    Bill,

    I am not one for government paying for research and such, but if I had to compromise, I could support perhaps the government setting up awards for private firms that accomplish certain goals.

    For example, $5 Billion in tax free money to the first private US firm to send a man to mars and back. At least this way, the government stays out of the day to day funding issues, and only pays for success.

    It does not eliminate the subsidy, but at least it is a carrot on a stick as opposed to a welfare check.

  21. GOPeach says:

    Mountain Thinker-

    Never mind “BS” –

    He has much to say about absolutely nothing –
    He seems to have had head around fiscal issues…
    like a mini skirt on Hillary Clinton….

    Just ain’t big enough! LOL … and scary to fathom.

  22. jsm says:

    Mountain, the key word was “more.” I think our government spends enough money on “science and technology and exploration.” My contention with Huck is that we don’t have “more” to spend. Instead, we need to find better utilization of the money we currently spend.

    I’m sick of politicians whose automatic answer to every problem is, “let’s spend more on it.” I don’t want another president who thinks like that.

  23. Bill Simon says:

    JSM keyed-in exactly on the right point. Huckabee was entirely too accommodating on his answer, just like he was in the video when he was governor and told his Arkansas legislators “I will be fine with whatever you decide.”

  24. TPSoCal says:

    Unfortunately, Huckabee won the debate. He’s the one candidate I have eliminated from consideration. He is really “likeable”, if only he weren’t a big government conservative.

    Honestly, I still can’t make up my mind. I used to like Thompson, but it reminds me of 1996 when we had such excitement when Dole chose Kemp as VP, and then we were sooooo disappointed with his performance as a candidate. I really don’t know who to support for the first time in my adult life. I guess I’ll just vote for Ron Paul as a protest vote.

    Undecided ’08!

  25. Jason Pye says:

    Huckabee and Paul are the only two worth a sod.

    Gee, the big spending liberal and the anti-war candidate. Could you telegraph it a little more for us?

    Don’t get me wrong, I agree with Paul’s position on the war, but this is the same thing I hear the same thing about Huckabee and Paul from most Democrats I know.

  26. GOPeach says:

    I think Ron Paul should wear a little cardigan sweater like Mr. Rogers and little tennis shoes.
    He could pull that off so well.

    Oh- I know he was with the air force and everything… He’s a real military type… but I just see him out raking leaves next door – scolding the kids for running in the street

    John-

    I agree with you 100%!!!!!

  27. IndyInjun says:

    Bill Simon:

    Like Tom Sawyer on the island, Dr. Paul is too smart to go for a swim with a water dunker like Huck, ESPECIALLY one with his record of trustworthiness.

    The intriguing aspect to Ron Paul’s run, is that he would pick a much younger (ha – they all are…) VP from the Republican Study Group in the House or one of the best fiscal conservatives in the Senate, like Tom Coburn or Jim Demint.

  28. GOPeach says:

    John-

    Lord only knows!!!

    Okay- I have lots …
    I repeat LOTS of family in Brooklyn

    They ALL say that Rudy is a Liberal
    with a capital L!

    They say there are like NO cops in Harlem …
    and a cop every 2 feet in Flatbush!

    He makes sure the crime rate is LOW among the wealthy and hopes the people in the ghetto eliminate each other.

    Rudy is a NEWYOHKAH to the BONE!!!
    That just doesn’t read well in East Texas
    and in Alabama.

  29. Jason Pye says:

    How can a conservative vote for Rudy?

    I’m note voting for him, but at least he supports school vouchers and has proposed a pro-market healthcare plan.

  30. Bill Simon says:

    Jason, John, and the rest of youse guys:

    If it comes down to a November election between Hillary and Rudy, I guarantee you the conservative in you will vote for Rudy over Hillary. But, that’s only if it gets to that point.

  31. JasonW says:

    Ummm…im not sure its a good thing to be called a compassionate conservative in these times…Bush kinda ruined that (and I support Bush for the most part)

  32. John Konop says:

    Jason

    This was from Townhall!

    Rudy Giuliani Would Be Our Bill Clinton

    Perhaps the biggest oddity of the Republican primary season so far has been that GOP voters keep saying that they want another Reagan, the candidates keep comparing themselves to Reagan at every opportunity, and yet the man who is leading in the national polls, Rudy Giuliani, is about as far apart from Reagan as it

  33. Jason Pye says:

    I am no apologist for Bill Clinton, but looking back on his presidency, compared to what we have now, I’m not so sure that is a bad thing, though it may not be a good thing either.

    Giuliani is a social liberal. That doesn’t bother me. His constant use of 9/11 and his willingness to continue Bush’s policies are what bothers me. These allegations about the misuse of money bothers me, but overall he isn’t that bad.

  34. John Konop says:

    As many of you know I have been very outspoken about illegal immigration before it was a main stream issue. I was called every name in the book by Democratic and Republican leaders in public forums I was in.

    I have always said I do not blame the immigrants. Pre- NAFTA many people warned this policy would drive illegal immigrants in our Country via a race to the bottom with wages for working class people. We have pitted working class people against each other competing with sweatshops and child and slave labor.

    The results speak for themselves with real wages and healthcare coverage going backwards for working class people in Mexico and here. Also post NAFTA no one can argue the flood on illegal immigrants in our country who became tax payer subsidized workers ie healthcare, schools

  35. Goldwater Conservative says:

    The winner of all of the GOP debates was probably been the Democratic field of candidates. The GOP field has gotten pretty brutal. They are attacking themselves too much and lower the bar for the Democrats, Clinton especially. I am starting to think that if Romney or Guiliani is the nominee they will have an extremely difficult time running against any of the dems, especially Clinton. All Hillary would have to do at this point, if she wins the primary, is show up at a debate against the GOP candidate not riding a broom and being courteous. The bar of expectations that has been set for the Dems by the GOP is so low that it will be difficult to sway the swing vote to the GOP…especially if the two likely nominees do not stop beating each other up. Huckabee is just now getting impressive, but it is probably too little too late. It would be nice to see him run in the general election, I just do not think it is a realistic expecation.

  36. Goldwater Conservative says:

    Oh yeah…stop talking about immigration…everybody. For the good of the party, both parties as a matter of fact. There is obviously a partition within our parties that only exists because the GOP tried to make immigration a bigger issue than Iraq. The more we talk about it, the less stable the party will be.

  37. GOPeach says:

    Debbie-

    I have questioned this also. However, I think we need to ask ourselves a question:

    40 million American children were murdered in the womb over the last 30 years which created a void in the labor force. At first immigrants were welcomed as long as they were male and were good with a leaf blower, hammer, etc… Then they began bringing over their wives and having babies. At first we did not notice what was happening….. then….. we started seeing the big fat problem!

    We started seeing that the babies we allowed to be murdered were being replaced by the illegal immigrants who would not murder their own.

    I have looked at this from every side and I believe with all of my heart that aborting 40 million Americans has opened the gate to illegal immigration.

    It called the law of cause and effect.

    I have a gut feeling… Gov. Huckabee would agree..

    Now what???????

    When we do load every last one up on trains and trucks and take them back to Central and South America…. we still must raise the kids according to our federal law.

  38. debbie0040 says:

    First and foremost, we need a fiscal conservative to win the party nomination and that is not Huckabee.

    Has it dawned on anyone that it is not just Huckabee’s opponents that are attacking him? It is also conservative groups and icons like Phyllis Schaffley, Club for Growth, Cato Institute, Numbers USA, etc

    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071128/D8T6I6T00.html

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/25/AR2007112501547_pf.html

  39. IndyInjun says:

    AuH2O Conservative:

    Humpty GOPty sat on a wall
    Humpty GOPty had a great fall
    All King George’s horses and all of his men
    Couldn’t put Humpty GOPty together again.

    Once the mighty GOP was a big tent party
    Fiscons, Socons, Constitutions, & Indies Hardy
    Along came the neocons and caused the Crash
    The collateral damage is a scene from MASH

    Over America went the wailing call
    Is there a Doc in the House to save us all?
    Up stepped a doctor thin and spare
    Ron Paul said “Here I am, if you dare…”

    “Dream again of the Reagan Coalition.
    Blown by George W. Bush into perdition
    We can be great again following the Constitution
    Instead of being lost in political ambition.

    All of George W. Bushes Horses and Men
    Have acted likes thieves in a corrupt den
    If you want a party TOGETHER to be
    In 2008 you will have to elect ME!

  40. debbie0040 says:

    I can not believe that you just blamed abortion for the illegal immigration problem.

    I am pro life but think that is a ridiculous assertion…

  41. John Konop says:

    The truth most of the people running hands are dirty on this issue from both parties. They sold out to the lobbyist money changers in Washington wanting tax payer subsidized cheap labor. The real issue is how we are going to solve the problem.

    Thompson Soft on Illegal Immigration in Senate Votes

  42. GOPeach says:

    I know it’s a really tough pill for ALL of US to swallow… but….

    Illegal Immigration MUST be address on a STATE level just like abortion.

    RON PAUL’s PRO-LIFE BILL is a MUST…

    Here’s a Myth-Buster….

    The Social Effects the Fiscal!

  43. John Konop says:

    debbie

    If you think a real fiscal conservative should be the candidate that means you are voting for DR. NO Ron Paul. Any rational person knows he has the best record on spending.

  44. John Konop says:

    Go Peach

    I agree with you on abortion but immigration cannot be fixed without addressing trade. The problem for business is they are competing with cheap overseas labor with limited human rights. If we fix immigration without trade it would hurt the economy.

    This is why trade and immigration policy was debated is one issue pre-NAFTA. After both Parties sold us out they now tell us it is two issues. The late Charlie Norwood warned us about this for years!

  45. debbie0040 says:

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071130/NATION/111300094/1001&template=nextpage

    On Thanksgiving, Mr. Beck (Numbers USA)wrote an e-mail to his supporters praising the immigration plan of Fred Thompson, a former senator who is running for the Republican nomination and who has called for attrition through enforcement.

    “I really was blown away. I said, my gosh, this is an incredible platform,” Mr. Beck said in an interview this week.

    Both Mr. Romney and Mr. Thompson have said they wouldn’t create a new pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens, and Mr. Romney also has hinted he wants illegal aliens to go home through attrition. But Mr. Beck said Mr. Thompson’s plan is the most detailed at this point, and he praised Mr. Thompson’s call to even end some immigration programs such as the diversity visa lottery.

    “The fact that he has OK’d these positions on such a volatile topic shows he really takes voters’ concerns seriously and he believes there ought to be more than just sound bites about it,” Mr. Beck said

  46. John Konop says:

    debbie

    Than you are not a real fiscal conservative. Also your support of Bush’s Iraq war policy makes you a liberal via Willaim F Buckley. Nothing personal but Buckley has a better track record on being a conservative than you.

    I have made it clear I am cross between a populist like Huckabee and a fiscal conservative like Ron Paul. But unlike you I do not lie to myself.

    Other than Iraq would do you disagree with Ron Paul

  47. IndyInjun says:

    John-

    How can you tell WHAT Hucksterbee is? He flip-flops like a carp thrown high and dry on a creek bank.

    He would be another George W. Bush.

  48. GOPeach says:

    John-

    Not to butt in… as I know you were asking Debbie-

    I just want to say that you have made my day!
    You have helped me put into words my political stand –

    I also connect with Huckabee on moral issues and Ron Paul on sticking with the Constitution on Economics!

    I also agree with you that we must address TRADE… I do not like the term “Free Trade”…I prefer ” FAIR TRADE”…. FYI – This I got from our mutual friend “C-Biscuit”!

  49. John Konop says:

    Indy,

    I am no expert on Huckabee but when he speaks I do think he is a pragmatic populist. And when I hear Ron Pau I hear a bottom line fiscal conservative. That is why this would be a powerful combination.

    The rest of the GOP front runners seem out of touch with reality. The only thing helping them is Hillary.

    The scary part is Hillary and Rudy are just more of Bush!

    Immigration.

    Trade

    Education (No Child)

    Iraq

    Iran

    Spending

    I could go on and on. I find it strange how people like Debbie on both sides are all over the talking points and do not consider the voting record or read the fine print of what their candidate is advocating.

  50. Jace Walden says:

    John,

    Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee have virtually nothing in common. In fact, the two couldn’t be further apart.

    Pragmatic Populist is a really cute way of saying “big-government, liberal spending” Republican.

    That ain’t Ron Paul. They wouldn’t make a powerful combination because they would never agree on anything.

    The only thing they come close to agreeing on is abortion…but Paul doesn’t want the Federal government involved in it. Huckabee does.

  51. IndyInjun says:

    John’

    Huckabee’s RECORD is one of treason against conservatism, not to mention ethical issues.

    What is it about Arkansas governors that makes them think that they can take executive mansion furnishings when they leave?

    We cannot trust the man.

  52. John Konop says:

    Jace

    No one would call Lou Dobbs a big government person and he is a populist. Yet when solving a problem one has to deal with the reality of the situation.

    Reality people must pay for healthcare who can afford it.

    Reality preventive medicine is cheaper

    Reality we have managed trade not free trade with the result being out of control trade debt

    Reality national debt is driving down the value of the dollar which is a hidden tax increase. And under Bush we have never paid higher taxes when you combine the fallen value of the dollar.

    Reality Cub for growth is a joke because they do not understand that out of control spending is a bigger problem than taxes right now. And by giving high scores to the GOP pork spending Congressmen they are personally responsible for the fallen value of the dollar.

    Reality we have tax payer subsidized labor ( illegal immigrants) that both Parties have turned a blind eye on.

    Reality we cannot afford the way we are fighting the Iraq war ie debt and fallen value of dollar

    Reality the healthcare system is falling a part.

    I could go on and on. The truth many would rather finger point on both sides than deal with the reality

    We can fix the problems or turn a blind eye.

  53. Doug Deal says:

    Indy,

    Let me correct something, it should be “Ron Paul COULD have won.”

    If Paul would have fought the battles he could win, fiscal conservatism, and moderated his ideals into the reality of how things are, he would have won a lot of support.

    If you got into the wrong bus, you cannot jump out going 60 MPH and expect to be in great shape. The first step is convincing the bus driver to let you out at the curb and find one going in your direction.

    If people were honest, almost everyone is really a conservative (dictionary definition). They resist change and the unknown. You have to convince people and build consensus to get things done.

    Paul takes the end result of his philosophy and tries to sell that. Get out of Iraq now, get rid of the Fed tomorrow, etc. That means everyone between the way things are and his vision of where it should be are going to oppose him.

    Instead, if he would have started out just selling the direction he wants to go, then everyone on the far side of the status quo would help him pull, and nothing would seem crazy and extreme.

    Unfortunately, his perception has been solidified in the concrete of the voters’ perceptions and there is no chance that will change before the primaries.

  54. Jace Walden says:

    Lou Dobbs is a big-government Republican. He favors government intervention in everything.

    He’s the antithesis of what Ron Paul stands for. Huckabee/Dobbs and Paul couldn’t be more polar opposites.

  55. Doug Deal says:

    I agree with Jace.

    Dobbs is too willing to want the government to step in, and Taxabee shares that view. Not to say that there isn’t truth in many of the observations of Dobbs, just too many of his solutions are worse.

  56. Goldwater Conservative says:

    Debbie,

    You are obviously no scholar. There is no such thing as causality in the social sciences. The stronger correlation between abortion and any other activity is crime. Roe v. Wade has led to a lower crime rate more than any other event. We have had nearly two generations worth of abortions preventing new criminals from entering society. It is not causality but it is much more so than your ametuer assumption.

  57. IndyInjun says:

    Doug Deal’

    If the public deals only with sound bites, it deserves Taxabee or Hillary.

    Dr. Paul explained in the SC Debate that you cannot dump the IRS unless you challenge how big you want the government to be. On Iraq, he explains that the move to get out would be dictated by what generals think is prudent.

    We are in deep trouble now financially and Ron Paul is the only guy to have written 9 books, mostly on WHY we are in trouble.

    If American voters stick to the same idiocy as usual, this country is doomed and prudence says get out ASAP.

  58. Doug Deal says:

    Indy,

    We cannot change human nature, and you cannot expect people to read everything. I probably read 4-5 hours every night (granted it is not all current events and politics, mostly science and history) but I still miss a lot of detail.

    The average person spends less than that a week, so if the case is not made on television, it won’t ever make it to the electorate.

    The winning strategy is not to complain about the average person, but to recognize how he makes decisions and maximize your message for that means.

  59. Goldwater Conservative says:

    How convenient…Paul does not support the war but will allow it to continue indefinitely. Generals are bureaucrats too. War is their business. It is how they bigger budges, more toys, and promotions. Tip of the Hat/Wag of the Finger.
    He is such a brilliant economist that he wants to go back to the gold standard…which would destroy the middle class.
    Paul is no better than Clinton, Guiliani or Romney…he is just using different misinformation to get votes from dissillusioned Americans. And there are a lot of them now…after 7 years of lies from the Bush admin.

  60. IndyInjun says:

    Doug Deal:

    We are doing that.

    Dr. Paul just hit $10 million for the quarter and has a good shot at $20 million before it ends.

    This campaign is afire and has already grown exponentially every month.

    The sound bites you alluded to are the work of the media.

    After Dr. Paul GRILLED Fed chair Bernanke the last time he was before Congress, even a formerly hostile bunch on CNBC agreed that his position on monetary policy limits have merit.

    Folks like you are America’s only hope, because you can dig deeper and educate the others. We have TRIED the ways of the Clintons and Bushes. Now we need to restore the Constitution and the Republic.

    Dr. Paul is not a dynamic person, but he is the only one running who wants to restore the Reagan revolution and he is the ONLY one who can put the winning coalition back together.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsDlO2Lr_cg
    is getting folks fired up.

  61. IndyInjun says:

    AuH2O –

    Dr. Paul is for allowing gold and silver to COMPETE with the $US, which is basic free market economics to the max.

    Limiting the Fed’s capability to inflate like crazy PROTECTS the middle class by preserving the value of their savings and wages.

    Just today, they hinted at MORE RATE cuts based upon economic weakness, when yesterday GDP growth was off the charts. This will kill the $US to bail out the corporatists controlling both parties and steals from frugal folks like YOU and ME.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLcUS9c9Kbo
    About sums it up.

  62. IndyInjun says:

    Ha, that makes two of us……except my “iconoclastic” POV is that of Barry Goldwater, circa 1964, the first election of which I have memory.

    I was on the losing side then, too.

    But it was the RIGHT side.

  63. John Konop says:

    Like or not Ron Paul support is for real!

    Ron Paul on track to be biggest fundraiser
    When you factor he is not paying fees to promotional campaign collectors he will have the most net money. Ron Paul is for real!

    POLITICO-In the first two months of the quarter that began Oct. 1, Paul already has raised more than $9.75 million, putting him easily within range to best the amount rival Mitt Romney received from donors during the entire third quarter.

    The Texas congressman has set a goal of raising $12 million before the fourth quarter

  64. IndyInjun says:

    JK,

    Today was yet another big day and the total is now at $10.2 million at this writing and will likely make $10.4 million before midnight on the west coast.

  65. Jace Walden says:

    That is just the impression I get from his support of a higher minimum wage, more government regulation of trade, and constant railing against corporations.

  66. IndyInjun says:

    Jace,

    That is one of the larger problems I have with Dr. Paul. The current financial mess cries out for more regulations and draconian penalties to deter the looting. He wishes to restore sanity by drying up the vast money creation that breeds most of the opportunity,

    Wall Street is a den of corruption so deep that it threatens us all. You can tell who they favor – Obama, Clinton, Giuliani, and Romney by their donations.

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