1. griftdrift says:

    Vernon’s right.

    I don’t know what Rader is up to. First he’s up to his neck in the Emory Village redevelopment. Then he pushes the Sembler project. Now this.

  2. BubbaRich says:

    I suspect you don’t live in any of the areas getting the increased crime and other problems in neighborhoods from, for example, new bars and clubs near Buckhead in DeKalb County where they are opening up to avoid the new restrictions in Buckhead.

    I thought this idea sounded too sensible for DeKalb County when I heard it recently. Here in Doraville, we’re stuck trying to get DeKalb to enforce existing laws about bars and “adult establishments” near our neighborhoods. And we’re not having much success with it, so far.

    grift, what argument would you (and Snuggles) have against this law? How much money are they making between 2 and 4 am? Is it enough to buy Snuggles, or is he doing this work pro bono? Are there not enough package stores in DeKalb County to force people to plan a couple of hours ahead to drink at home? Is the only way they can make money between 2 and 4 am selling drinks? Is it possible they are ever serving somebody who is already intoxicated? Is anybody driving home sober after drinking until 4am?

  3. griftdrift says:

    Why not shut em down completely? Wouldn’t that eliminate all the problems? Where does the line get drawn? And remember not everybody works a 9-5 schedule.

    Bubba, even you point out its an enforcement issue. Let’s try enforcing the current laws and ordinances instead of more nanny state band-aids that might make use feel better but in the end don’t really solve the problem.

  4. liberator says:

    Closing times are Fascist Nanny Statists Restrictions on private property rights and should be repealed. Let the Free-Market Rule. The Pink Pony,Follies,Shooters Alley,and Roosters Rock Dekalb! It’s Pony Time at the Pink Pony Baby! Ride that White Horse!

  5. Still Looking says:

    Grift is not too well informed. Rader isn’t pushing Sembler and the redevelopment of Emory Village has broad community support, and a few loud don’t change anything complainers. Sembler is unlikely to get zoning, but other property at that intersection is already zoned for redevelopment. Rader pushed for a rational plan that would consider the larger impact. Closing bars at 2 is overwhelmingly favored. And government is all about drawing lines, otherwise there is no point in having government.

  6. griftdrift says:

    Oh really Still Looking? Have you looked at the campaign contributions for Gannon and Rader?

    And Emory Village had such widespread support that it bitterly divided the normally juggernaut Druid Hills Civic Association, divided the county commission and led Gannon to emotionally address how personal the issue had become.

    As far as Sembler, who do you think recommended the hiring of the consultant by Livable Communities Coalition? You know, the guy who recommended underground roads for the N Druid Hills RD/Briarcliff intersection. You got it! The Gannon/Rader coalition.

    But what the heck do I know?

  7. Still Looking says:

    The Commission vote for Emory Village was 7-0. Gannon was accused of a conflict of interest at the last public hearing – a completely bogus and unsubstantiated charge that had no basis in fact. That’s why she game unglued. Both she and Rader are past presidents of the DHCA. I’d say they know the community and that organization pretty well. Well enough to know that the leadership went off the deep end, when the issues were so insignificant.

    The consultant, Alex Garvin, was chosen by the Livable Communities Coalition, a Metro Chamber offspring. Garvin is the same consultant who was widely praised for his work on the beltline. The guy has impecable credentials. The plan he devised provides some context for redeveloping an area that already has zoning entitlements. Besides Sembler, two other rezonings are already in the works. Meanwhile Children’s Hospital has 50 acres of one-story medical buildings across the street. Rader and Gannon proposed planning before rezoning and redevelopment. I’d say that was sane and responsible. You can choose chaos or a plan?

    The campaign contributors are the same people who have made contributions to the previous commissioners who held their seats. They also contribute in Fulton, Atlanta, Cobb, etc. Accepting a campaign contribution is still legal and does not by itself indicate any wrongdoing. I seriously doubt they will accept any from Sembler.

  8. Trackboy1 says:

    Not sure where Still Looking gets info., but the Emory Village deal did split the entire surrounding community. Emory stepped in and supported Stuart Meddin, the Emory Village owner who wanted big handouts and zoning variances, but hadn’t put a penny of his own money into fixing up the Village before then, kicking out local businesses who’d been there for over a decade. People are still fighting over it, but Stu Meddin got his handouts.

    And Grift is on point again, Rader’s campaign chair is Ken Durrett, head of the Livable Communities Coalition, who got almost all of the money for the its Garvin study from…Sembler. Funny how Durrett never discloses he was Rader’s campaign chair at any public meetings. Or that Sembler gives big money to LCC.

    Back to Vernon, he’s losing it. Guy is running for Senate, and he questions the “testicular fortitude” of a fellow Dem? He race baits and fans the flames between North & South DeKalb even more in the Bus Chron. And what does he mean by “carnies”? Also mentions Dick Williams’ bow tie twice. And Vernon’s personal lawyer is also the lawyer for one of those new big nightclubs in the Northlake area, Seasons.

    DeKalb bar hours: County needs to increase revenue
    Friday, November 9, 2007
    Atlanta Business Chronicle – by Vernon Jones

    It’s becoming more and more apparent that Dick Williams’ involvement in the proposal to shorten DeKalb County’s bar hours is multifaceted [“Bar flap gets uglier,” Right Word, Nov. 2].
    Dick, loosen your bow tie and look around. The proposal to eliminate property taxes, by House Speaker Glenn Richardson, will surely have an impact on DeKalb. The outcome is yet to be determined, but it will likely decrease revenue.
    It was recently reported and confirmed by state officials, including Sen. Jack Hill, R-4th District, chairman of the Appropriation Committee, that while state income taxes are up, sales taxes are down. The question of declining tax receipts and the proposed incorporation of the city of Dunwoody — if passed by the General
    Assembly — will also have a negative impact on DeKalb revenue. These issues, coupled with the possibility of a national recession, fueled by increased energy costs, make it even more important for local governments to maintain and increase local revenue.
    The enactment of Commissioner Jeff Rader’s proposal will not only impact DeKalb’s revenue, but also the income of businesses who pour until 4 a.m., and their employees. To say that Tucker, the Northlake Mall area and Embry Hills are becoming the epicenter of late-night entertainment is not only an exaggeration, but it
    falls into the category of hysteria, narrow-mindedness and the “old shortness” of my bow tie-wearing friend.
    Williams’ assertion that “the hip-hop culture is more about ‘gangstas’ than music” makes a great statement to his insensitivity to diversity and other cultures. The proposed compromise discussed by Williams in his column is a glaring example of neo-conservative fiscal
    irresponsibility. Taxpayers should not be saddled with the cost of the mini-referendum that Commissioner Rader is proposing.
    DeKalb has long been recognized as a fiscally responsible and conservative government. I have demonstrated this throughout my administration. The tax, tax, tax, attitude by Williams, in support of Commissioner Rader,
    is a slap in the face to DeKalb County’s taxpayers and homeowners. I do not believe the other six commissioners will support this kind of a tax increase on the citizens of DeKalb County.
    Another facet of Williams’ column is his apparent endorsement of Burrell Ellis for CEO. Don’t you find it interesting that a major supporter of the dissolution of DeKalb County would muster up the testicular fortitude to dare to endorse a candidate for a county he wants to remove himself from? Businesses and voters,
    especially in South DeKalb, will be paying close attention not only to candidates, but also to their agents of support.
    Burrell Ellis has a difficult decision to make. Will he represent the people of DeKalb County in this period of declining revenue? Or, will he go along to get along with neo-cons, carnies and agent provocateurs, especially Dick Williams.

    Jones is CEO of DeKalb County.

  9. Donkey Kong says:

    Snuggles had an advertisement flown by a plane at the UGA-auburn game saturday. Well, it must have been some kind of prank-somebody replaced “snuggles” with the name “Vernon Jones.” Not sure who this Vernon guy is but he must be furious to have his name tied up with snuggles.

  10. Harry says:

    Not my business, but why would you guys not support Sembler’s proposal? Would this not be good for Dekalb and the tax rolls of Dekalb?

  11. Decaturguy says:

    One of the rare occasions when I agree with Vernon’s position. My default position is always more freedom, not less freedom.

  12. liberator says:

    We need a place to raise hell after the Ozzy Osbourne,Motley Crue,Ted Nugent,Metallica,Anthrax,Motorhead,Judas Priest,Iron Maiden,Iggy Pop,Misfits,Kiss,Aerosmith,etc… Concerts. The Pink Pony and Follies Rock. Give em hell Vernon and Veto the Bill.

  13. BubbaRich says:

    I’m pretty sure none of the groups you list play until 2am in Atlanta. Actually, most of them haven’t played anywhere in a decade or two, so you’re a naughty forty-something, lib.

    You’re one kind of person we need laws to protect other people and property owners from.

  14. liberator says:

    Actually I’m 53 Bubba Boy! The Priest,Nuge,and Aerosmith have played HotLanta recently. My point is You need a place to raise hell after the show which usually ends around Midnight. Geez don’t You remember the line ‘Rockin In Atlanta at Tattletales” by Motley Crue in Girls,Girls,Girls?

  15. jm says:

    Harry: sembler plans to redevelop an established area by buying huge acreage of school property. The school district will end up paying a premium to buy replacement land. Also, we are losing a huge plot over by the GM plant – a better location, with MARTA access, and several major secondaries like P’tree Industrial nearby, not just highways and crowded surface streets.

    As far as last call, I think the compromise plan was fine – as long as your establishment is not a nuisance, you can stay open late. Otherwise, close early. I like grandfathering in good old businesses, and maybe creating districts in commercial areas and around colleges where drinking late is encouraged more than in neighborhoods. I’d rather Emory kids stumble home drunk than drive home.

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