1. Dave says:

    I saw the Dyncorp article a few days ago. This is giving the State Dept another black eye to go along with the Blackwater shooting incident. There was also an article critical of the State Dept for promoting two of the agents who had oversite over Blackwater the last couple of years.

  2. northside elephant says:

    Blackwater plays an important role in our national defense by providing aviation, intelligence, logistics and protective services. Much of their work is performed for classified contracts with the DOD, DOS and other agency.

    Blackwater operators have protected congressmen, senators, American and foreign diplomats, even Governor Sonny Perdue!

    You’ve only heard one side of the story and I don’t think you understand the environment in which those guys operate.

  3. northside elephant says:


    Wow, that article was a whole-lot-of-nothing. I actually expected some substantive attacks. So you guys need to read Vanity Fair to learn that war has an ugly side? Equipment failure, unexpected incidents and discomfort have always been a part of warfare.

    VF found some fat-ass truck driver that is disgruntled after being fired and that’s the big story. Wow.

  4. Dave says:

    I have colleagues who have worked for and are currently working in Iraq for Blackwater. That firm has done a tremendous job over there and has paid the ultimate price to the tune of dozens of their operators dying in service. Mistakes may have been made, but this is simply a chance for the cowardly dems to score political points!

  5. GAWire says:

    I have to chime in and agree with elephant and Dave. First of all, Vanity Fair’s ‘story’ has nothing new. Anyone remotely associated with the defense contracting sector knows what KBR’s, DynCorp, BAE, Boeing, Blackwater, etc, etc, etc relationships are with the governments they work with. Most are under “cost-plus” contracts – if you don’t know what that means, look it up. So, the claim by the Orlando attorney and all Qui Tam suits that have been brought forward have not been upheld b/c ultimately the companies have made no violations as far as accountability goes. Now perhaps one could find evidence of the gov’t not having adequate procedures for these contracts, but that is typically because there is on average about two mid-level and/or high-level gov’t employees engaging and managing these contracts, some of which can go into the billions of dollars, not to mention that there is such a wide web of sub-contracts, so most of the actual gov’t representatives never even know who is performing the actual work. Any mis-management is on the gov’t side – not the contractors (think about which is more productively organized, gov’t or private sector?).

    I will also say that Grayson is known to be kind of a consipiracy theorist quack. Maybe that’s because 1) he’s crazy or 2) firms have worked to tarnish his reputation – I think it’s probably a little bit of both. The point is that if they ever want to come out with anything valid against contractors and the process by which the work for governments, they better do their homework and stop being so left-wing nutsy with the whole thing.

    The fact is, contractors perform the bulk of the work by the gov’t. I am going to give the benefit of the doubt to the ex-soldiers/police who put themselves in front of not-so-VIP’s and if they feel is necessary, based on their experience and discretion (hey, it’s not like they can say “let’s analyze this before we shoot back at these insurgents shooting at our principal) on the front lines where bullets are flying, defend attacks by an enemy combatant.

    Too many people make all of these guys out to be mercenaries wantonly shooting innocent women and children b/c they get a kick out of it. Are there likely to be bad apples? Absolutely. But, trying to make this out to be some consipiracy between V/E, Halliburton, Cheney, Prince et al is not going to go anywhere.

    Btw, these men, women and firms that perform these services deserve what they get paid.

    Maybe you should ask Jeff Emanuel about this? He has experience in special ops AND has recently been around some of these guys firsthand. All else – even what I say, I guess – is speculation until you’ve been there.

  6. Rogue109 says:

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Wait, there is a cutting edge posting on PP? Oh, it’s from SpaceyG….never mind.

  7. Dave says:

    None of the Dem partisan attacks should surprise any of us. Investigate BW all you want, you won’t find any criminal conduct on the part of the company. Why? Because the very survival of a contracting company depends on their scrupulous following of the rules set down by their sponsoring agencies. The negligence, if any is found, may be in that they weren’t as closely monitored or supervised by their gov’t sponsor. And even those “infractions” will be the result of second guessing and Monday morning quarterbacking. Stop looking for conspiratorial gobblins and shadowy men in trench coats. They don’t exist. Maybe the best thing the Dems could do is just give those of us who are actually on the front lines fighting the terrorist threats a hearty “thank you!”

  8. northside elephant says:

    Blackwater does not work under cost-plus contracts and faces severe financial penalties if all terms of the contract are not kept.

  9. Dawgfan says:

    There is a very good article by Rick Santorum on this very subject posted on Real Clear Politics. I tried to post the link but apparently my computer sucks.

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