You Wouldn’t Have A Clue

For those who claim knowledge of Valerie Plame Wilson’s undercover status, or alleged lack thereof, at the time of her White House-inspired outing, let me just say… you simply would never know. Nor will you ever when it comes to covert status. (Trust me on this, all you

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  1. CobbGOPer says:

    Um, that paragraph just lays out that she worked on the operations side “once upon a time.”

    At the time of her “outing,” it is documented that she had not held undercover status for some years and was working in a publicly identified position with their counterproliferation group.

    And I would still just like to point out this one tidbit from the article:

    “…the book is less forthcoming about her politics; she does not mention, for example, that she made a $1,000 contribution to Al Gore’s campaign in 1999.”

  2. Rogue109 says:

    CobbGOPer: You are noting pesky facts. They have no place in a posting from SpaceyG. Besides, this post wasn’t even good enough for her to put on her own blog. And I guess Plame must once have visited Savannah on vacation or had a stop over at Hartsfield-Jackson…that must be why she put it on a blog about Georgia.

  3. dorian says:

    It’s a durn shame dems can’t seem to employ the same amount of hypocrisy. . .err…scrutiny to say stealing and destroying documents out of the national archives and lying about that. Maybe, trying to rewrite history is better than destroying it.

  4. SpaceyG says:

    No, CS, but I hear she supports abolishing our property tax. Great for those who may desire merely a vacation home on, say, St. Simons. Not that I have information about the status of Wilson’s vacation home purchases, but ask one of these boys here. Even if they don’t have a freakin’ clue, they’ll make something up good to tell you.

  5. SpaceyG says:

    Rogue hon, just read the book. Her undercover status was never compromised until the White House got a’hold of it. She could have been sent back into covert ops at ANY time in her career if it was intact. Her “detour” back at Langley was a typical career move of someone on the managerial rise at the CIA, not a result of having a cover “blown.” Read the book and call me in the morning, although given the tone of your comments, you’re likely a painfully slow, dull-witted reader, if you’ve ever even read a book at all, so just call me whenever you get done.

  6. JRM2016 says:

    SpaceyG,

    I generally think your front page postings have been interesting, even if I disagree with your point of view.

    But you are flat wrong on this Valerie Plame deal. If “her undercover status was never compromised until the White House got a’hold of it” then those responsible would have been prosecuted by Fitzgerald. That is why I don’t need to have personal knowledge of her career at the CIA to tell you that she was not a covert agent at the time Richard Armitage disclosed her name and employment info to Novak in an attempt to weaken Wilson’s claims vis-a-vis Iraq.

    So her undercover status was not compromised and indeed was nonexistent in 2003.

  7. For the record I’m absolutely against outing covert agents – even if their “covertness” is in question. It just shouldn’t be done.

    My problem with the whole Plame/Wilson affair is that Patrick Fitzgerald knew very early on exactly who Novack’s source was yet he continued to investigate. Scooter Libby’s crime was a process crime and based on what several Jurors said, they wanted to punish the leaker so they punished Libby instead. For that reason I’m glad Bush commuted Libby’s sentence.

  8. ToddH says:

    I find it funny that there are those who actually believe that they know whether Valerie Plame was covert or not, they are that much in the intelligence loop. The internet has the tendency of making superheroes out of mice, and there are three so far on this thread who seem to be super double secret agents who are privy to the memo which lists the nation’s covert intelligence operatives b/c, you know, they are that important.

  9. dorian says:

    It’s interesting to me too. Interesting in the same way I slow down when I drive by a car wreck. I found the book to be quite enjoyable. Especially, the parts detailing how the vice president intimidated the special prosecutor by taking him duck hunting. Of course, I am not sure how credible Perez Hiltion is as a source, but if it got published in a book, it simply must be true. Speaking of covered up conspiracies, I wonder what Vince Foster would say about all of this if he were still with us?

  10. Dave says:

    Spacey…Plame was not covert. I know SHE’s says she was, but she’s selling a political agenda. Since Fitzgerald knew who the leaker was and since the leaker wasn’t cherged, then there was no crime and ‘ol Valarie was only still covert in her own little mind. Oh, by the way, “The Farm” is near Williamsburg, VA. I hope I don’t get my clearance revoked! LOL

  11. CobbGOPer says:

    Look, I’m not in favor of compromising covert agents either. But as we keep pointing out to you folks who seem to have cotton in your ears:

    If her cover were compromised, someone would have been prosecuted for it. NO ONE WAS. Fitzgerald knew EXACTLY who leaked her name to Novak, it was Richard Armitage at the State Department.

    If it was a CRIME, then why wasn’t ARMITAGE prosecuted?

    Logical answer: Because he didn’t commit any crime.

    SpaceyG answer: Because it’s a conspiracy!

    I don’t need to read her book to know it’s just a whiny hit job on the administration.

  12. CobbGOPer says:

    And by the way, I think your front page posts generally suck wind, and they should remain exclusive to your own blog site without showing up here too.

    Same goes for you too, Mr. Simon. If you spent as much time on your own blog as you do here, maybe people would actually read it.

  13. JRM2016 says:

    ToddH,

    Answer this simple question. If Plame was a covert agent at the time of the Armitage “leak” to Novak in 2003, why has Armitage skated? Why was he not indicted along with Libby? For that matter, Karl Rove was Novak’s second source on the Plame story, so why wasn’t Rove indicted?

    The answer of course is that no crime was committed because, as has been widely stated Plame was not a covert agent.

    Who better to quote on this subject than her own husband, Joe Wilson, who told the Associated Press in July 2005 that:

    Wilson acknowledged his wife was no longer in an undercover job at the time Novak’s column first identified her. “My wife was not a clandestine officer the day that Bob Novak blew her identity,” he said.

  14. GodHatesTrash says:

    On September 16, 2003 the CIA sent a letter to the US Department of Justice, asserting that Plame’s status as a CIA undercover operative was classified information and requesting a federal investigation.

    The CIA said her status was classified.

    End of discussion, you traitorous stupid rednecks.

  15. SpaceyG says:

    I’m with Buzz… outing CIA ops agents, whatever their status that particular day is or is not, is wrong on every possible level of everything this country is all about.

  16. candlerpark says:

    Spacey there is no use trying to talk sense about this to some of the Neocon footsoldiers on this board. They KNOW that V.P. was not covert because that is what Hannity, etc, told them. That is pretty much the end of the story.

    Jesus himself could not change the opinion of the Neocon footsoldier. If he contradicted the talking points the rightwinger held holy, J.C. himself would be dismissed as just ‘some dirty hippie who probably voted for Gore.”

  17. SpaceyG says:

    I have a hard time understanding why one would go to the trouble of writing an entire book explaining their covert status at the time of their being outed as being as such. As her husband said, she was not “clandestine” on the day of the outing. She could have reverted back, IN CASES OF NATIONAL SECURITY INTEREST, to clandestine status had the greedy-for-gossip troll Novak, nor his editor, not put her name in print. Once it was in print, the clandestine raincoat was all the way off. For good. A lifetime of service and knowledge and investment in OUR national security interests was just tossed out like a cigarette butt by careless, stupid people, small, self-serving people. Sorta like some on this blog, eh?

  18. Dave says:

    Why was no one convicted of leaking the name, Trash? They knew the leaker…Dazzle me with more of your name calling!

  19. Dave says:

    Self serving? Kinda like that great Democrat patriot John Murtha calling the now exonerated soldiers “killers” even before the investigation. He’s being sued by the way. He’ll lose big time. Let’s hear the leftist lemmings insult our troops yet again in defending him. Bush won. Get over it.

  20. SpaceyG says:

    And one more thing CornCobber… my front page posts generate plenty of troll traffic for this blog. Traffic generates hits. Hits generate ad interest. Ads generate money. So, your worst nightmare or not, I represent OUR best economic interests as Americans. You hate me, you hate America.

  21. GodHatesTrash says:

    Moron, are you saying that her name wasn’t leaked???

    How did her status end up being printed in Novak’s column then, numbnuts?

    PEOPLE WITH SECRET CLEARANCES ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE’S CLEARANCES. SECRET INFORMATION IS SECRET INFORMATION.

    Are you smarter than a fifth grader?

    Not even a Georgian fifth grader??

  22. Dave says:

    Good, good, trash. More insults. You’re the bomb! Of course he name appeared in print, Trash. I’ll explain it to you since your IQ is on par with the 5th grader you cite. Her name appeared in print. It lead to an investigation of a supposedly covert employee. Well, it turns out that she wasn’t covert after all and as a result, no one was prosecuted for the “leaking” her name. No covert status, no crime. Bingo!! I hope you can follow all of that.

  23. JRM2016 says:

    Documents are classified, agents are covert or not covert. Valerie Plame, by her husband’s own admission was not covert. Again charges would have been brought if she was covert. And still no one has cited any authority that she was covert. This is not a talking point but rather for the far left an inconvenient truth.

  24. andrew_claxton says:

    Classified documents are routinely leaked by staff and members of the House Select Committee on Intelligence for political gain. Senior Executives at the CIA leak information too. Liberals have selectively leaked documents to undermine the Global War on Terror and the media loves it! But they are outraged over this leak?

    Even though her outing was wrong, Plame’s status was purportedly an open secret in the DC cocktail party scene. And the media and the Left have a well-established disregard for protecting classified information.

  25. andrew_claxton says:

    If Plame was with the Directorate of Operations (DO) then she was an “officer”, not an “agent”.

  26. Dave says:

    Where did Trash go? With all of her insults, I was actually beginning to get turned on! LOL Sounds like an ex-wife! I wonder if that lil’ peach is single??? I wonder if she wants to meet for coffee and possibly dinner!! LMAO

  27. GodHatesTrash says:

    Dave provides us an insight to the basic perversion of the Repugnantican psyche – he gets turned on by humiliation…

    No wonder so many GOPers find themselves running their hands under mens’s rooms stall dividers, or otherwise anonymously offering their sexual services to other males, or buying the services of women to diaper them.

  28. Dave says:

    Sounds like you’re the one who’s providing us the insight here, Trash! And you don’t offer humiliation you offer those of us who read your bilge a real front row seat into the mind of a bitter, hateful person. Please keep it coming! You’re better than Leno!!!

  29. GodHatesTrash says:

    Senator Vitter R-Loseriana, secured the services of N’awlins prostitutes. Google “Vitter diaper fetish” for more about Governor-elect Jindal’s mentor and his poopy pants.

  30. dorian says:

    Trash is a chick? Somehow that makes sense. Definately sense a man hating vibe. It must really stink to be you. Carrying around all that bitterness all the time. The way you talk to people, you must be a really lonely person. I enjoy sparring with people as much as anyone, but reading your posts, you are just mean for the sake of being mean. There isn’t any other point. If you weren’t such a miserable troll, I’d feel sorry for you.

  31. DMZDave says:

    If you are an underemployed loser like Wilson whose career is largely washed up and you are jealous of your wife and her big CIA job and you want your hotty wife home instead of pursuing her career at the CIA, what you do is write an op-ed in the New York F’ing Times critical of the president so everyone will ask “who is this jerk, why is he lying about the VP sending him on this mission and who the hell really sent him?” When those questions get asked and answered, wifey is out of a career and you can move to New Mexico and write stupid partisan books. Win-win for the Wilson Plames. Seriously if you wife is a CIA covert, there are some things you can’t do. You don’t needlessly call attention to yourself by writing checks to Al Gore and listing your cover organization as Plame did and you don’t write op-eds in the New York Times critical of the President as Wilson did. Wilson caused all this BS because he wanted to be somebody in the next Democratic administration. At the end of the day, there is so much less here than meets the eye. Wilson outed her.

  32. GodHatesTrash says:

    DMZDave, what do you or any of your fellow loser rednecks know about running an INTELLIGENCE operation?

    How on earth would someone like
    you know what the husband of a CIA covert operative can or cannot do?

    Face it buddy – unless we wanted to know about flipping burgers, delivering newspapers, or draining septic tanks, you’re in way over your head.

  33. AlanR says:

    Spacey — Tautology. Your using what Valerie says to prove the truth of what Valerie says, repeated in a review by a literary reviewer. Tautology.

    You really need to do better. You really need to offer something a little more convincing than the word of Valerie herself and a book reviewer. And the reviewer appears to be from the literary community and not someone with an intelligence background.

  34. John Konop says:

    Alan,

    Can you name anyone who has spoke out against the failed Bush Iraq foreign Policy that you guys have not attacked?

    Richard Clark?
    Paul O Neil?
    Chuck Hagel?
    Colin Powell?
    John Warner?
    Walter Jones?
    Bob Barr?
    Ron Paul?
    CIA who warned against going into Iraq?
    Bret Scowcroft?
    General Zinni?
    General Sanchez?
    Jim Baker?
    Henry Kissinger?
    William F Buckley?
    Pat Buchannan?

    I could go on and on with people but I think you may get the point. Do you think all the above Republicans who have been smeared for speaking out are wrong and lying or is GOP establishment the problem?

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